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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

It still would be good in situations where stuff didn't kill.

Usually with windows.old folders on upgrades thats 10 days for a major update within win10 and a month for an os to os upgrade.

Even with disk cleanup these folders don'

't die but leave them be and they die by themselves.

As for files that can not bee accessed a chkdsk will fix that.

If you still have the issue, I suggest you backup your data as you may be having a hard drive failier or other failier.

When I got these it started as a few corrupted sectors to the drives not working, in fact it left my drive a lot of it corrupted and I had to restore from another fortunately that drive was able to be restored but it was also going bad.

I lost 3 drives in this way and almost lost all my files.

On 9/07/2017 9:10 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
There used to be a program that could delete anything you liked. The way it worked was it presented you with locked or files protected in various ways. You selected them and then it rebooted the computer via some low level, ie non Microsoft system and deleted what you had told it by accessing a text file you had saved vai the program. Unfortunately and this is the really annoying part I cannot remember what it was called but it did give dire warnings about using it to remove files that might be used by windows and then the machine would not reboot.
It used to work well in XP and the dire Vista, but not bothered with it since as now drives are so huge that a little bit of wasted space is not really an issue any more.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

When I try to delete them with file explorer. Or, for that matter,
any other file management software. When trying to use the
wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not
exist/file not available error messages!

So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my
machine.

Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family
has now grown to seven directories!

I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and
this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.
You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you
tried deleting them using Windows Explorer? If that doesn't work,
there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept
from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they
aren't.
Others may have more information.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting.
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the
context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter
what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be >
removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access
control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old
system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without
sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly
formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of
windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter
if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When
you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see
that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

Yes there is a recovery partition which is needed for restoring laptops often use this.

There are ways of backing it up on dvds and or flash media.

I guess you could kill it from disk manager and just restore but once you restore you get the stuff back.

On 9/07/2017 8:50 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I do know that if you install an OEM disc of windows it does store some stuff in an unreachable part of the disc, which may or may not have a visible folder but cannot be deleted, often called some very long and weird name.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based, linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.

On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

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I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

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Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

Well windows 10 will usually kill those folders after a bit.

Usually they should go away, however, you can reset easily.

If you do reformat I think windows 10 installer can talk now if you have a usb headset I think or if your soundcard is fine you can probably try plugging things in.

I am not sure if that spreads to pe but even still.

If you are happy with linux and get a simple desktop you could log into that on a live cd mount your hard drive and kill the folders, as long as they are not critical windows will start fine.

On 9/07/2017 8:42 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think it can be done in two ways.first using a script or slipstream method where all the required questions are answered as a text input file, and secondly, using narrator but at some point, obviously you are using non windows software right at the start. I've never done it myself, but know of a couple of people who have managed it with windows 10.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


I believe you're asking two different questions:

1. how to format a hard disk

2. how to install windows

To the best of my knowledge the second is not possible without sighted
assistance.


Regards,

Antony.

On Saturday 08 July 2017 at 11:38:48, Carlos wrote:

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted
help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted
drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it
will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use
disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any
file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk
which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

Carlos
 

Hello!

    As usual, you always find a way to do things that no one else has thought about!  You should consider becoming a computer Guru!

    I will try out your suggestion later on today once I copy/paste your instructions onto a text file.

    I have a great deal of fondness for all the great info you share with us on your website!

    Thank You So Very Much for All Your Help!!!



On 7/9/2017 3:54 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


I just tried it on my windows 10 machine and it removed the old windows.old directory.


Use the windows key + letter #

this will bring up where your drives are for example C: drive d: drive and so on.

locate the C: drive then use the applications key on your computer.

go to properties then press the enter key.

Tab to the disk clean up button then press the enter key. it will come up with a selection of stuff to remove. I went through and checked all of the boxes and you need to look for one that say just after the list you have check called Clean up system files button, then press either the space bar or enter key.

another list will come up i went through and checked all of the boxs one of them was for the windows.old directory  I can not remember what it said like windows S or some thing, but any how all of the boxs were check.

  .

I then tabbed to the ok button then pressed the enter key. it asked me if i really wanted to delete every thing that was checked and the amount of space etc.

i said yes it did it trick and after it finished i checked to see if it was gone.


there is no window.old directory now.

the option to get rid of the old directory will only come up if it is there on your c drive. I just can not remember what it called the old directory.


I can have a look on my other computer where i have not removed it yet i think it is still there and then either record the steps on how to do it but this was pretty much the process i did.


hope it helps.


gene nz

On 7/9/2017 8:09 PM, Carlos wrote:

Hello:

    When I try to delete them with file explorer.  Or, for that matter, any other file management software.  When trying to use the wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not exist/file not available error messages!

    So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my machine.

    Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family has now grown to seven directories!

    I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

    Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.  You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you tried deleting them using Windows Explorer?  If that doesn't work, there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they aren't. 
 
Others may have more information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

     The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

     Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting. 
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

     I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

     Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

     Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
> Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>
> Hello:
>
>       I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu.  However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!
>
>       It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!
>
>       I am the only one on my PC.  So, I have the user access control set to zero.  And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.
>
>       Thank You! For your response!
>
>
> On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Carlos
>> Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>>        How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?
>>
>>        I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.
>>
>>        For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind!  And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files.  When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!
>>
>>        Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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>
>
>

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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just tried it on my windows 10 machine and it removed the old windows.old directory.


Use the windows key + letter #

this will bring up where your drives are for example C: drive d: drive and so on.

locate the C: drive then use the applications key on your computer.

go to properties then press the enter key.

Tab to the disk clean up button then press the enter key. it will come up with a selection of stuff to remove. I went through and checked all of the boxes and you need to look for one that say just after the list you have check called Clean up system files button, then press either the space bar or enter key.

another list will come up i went through and checked all of the boxs one of them was for the windows.old directory  I can not remember what it said like windows S or some thing, but any how all of the boxs were check.

  .

I then tabbed to the ok button then pressed the enter key. it asked me if i really wanted to delete every thing that was checked and the amount of space etc.

i said yes it did it trick and after it finished i checked to see if it was gone.


there is no window.old directory now.

the option to get rid of the old directory will only come up if it is there on your c drive. I just can not remember what it called the old directory.


I can have a look on my other computer where i have not removed it yet i think it is still there and then either record the steps on how to do it but this was pretty much the process i did.


hope it helps.


gene nz

On 7/9/2017 8:09 PM, Carlos wrote:

Hello:

    When I try to delete them with file explorer.  Or, for that matter, any other file management software.  When trying to use the wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not exist/file not available error messages!

    So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my machine.

    Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family has now grown to seven directories!

    I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

    Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.  You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you tried deleting them using Windows Explorer?  If that doesn't work, there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they aren't. 
 
Others may have more information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

     The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

     Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting. 
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

     I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

     Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

     Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
> Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>
> Hello:
>
>       I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu.  However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!
>
>       It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!
>
>       I am the only one on my PC.  So, I have the user access control set to zero.  And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.
>
>       Thank You! For your response!
>
>
> On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Carlos
>> Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>>        How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?
>>
>>        I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.
>>
>>        For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind!  And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files.  When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!
>>
>>        Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Brian,
for that reason I changed the code-word to "Computer" from within the Alexa
app.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sonntag, 9. Juli 2017 11:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Hi there I got an Amazon Echo the other day to make things easier for
finding radio stations and other stuff, but I did have issues with the App
as the synth every time it read the A word triggered the echo and the
change in state was actively updating the app contents as I was trying to
use it!
I have now decided to do the following
I'm going to replace the name that shall not be spoken with the string,
The A word in the dictionary so hopefully I can finally get some skills
sorted without complete chaos.

I'd advise this for anyone with a device like this.
Brian

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Re: My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

 

i dont know about addon.
but without it, for me vlc is not accessible and cant use it or find
loop or random.
gene, thanks for there shortcuts which you presented.
but when i press r or l, nvda says r or l nothing more!
maybe changing some setting makes it accessible, but i dont know which
setting i should change.
brian, i understand the developer team, but i only ment some features
that all people need like announcing copy and peist, version of
product etc.

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The only caveat I'd say is that it is not officially tested. By that I mean,

the add ons that are there if not also on the official site you take at face

value. I'm sure every attempt is made to screen out dodgy code, but just be

careful in case something has been missed. This goes for any other web sites

where add ons are stored away from the one you have a link to in th e ad ons

dialogue. Yes sometimes an older version of an add on can be needed for xp
for example.

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!


Hi guys!
I found the URL that has the say name of product and version NVDA add on.
This site is great, because there are a few older add ons on here that still

work great with win10 and latest NVDA. Here is the URL:
http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
It is called Jeff’s NVDA add on repository or something close to that. The
page starts out something like this:
Welcome to my NVDA Add-on Repository.
This page aims to bring together all of the optional components available
for the free, open source screen reader known as NVDA.
Before you can install any of the below add-ons, you must first install
NVDA.
There are many add ons on there! It is kept up to date, because it says on
the site that it was updated in April of this year. Joseph Lee’s Windows 10

app assentials is on there, so it is an up to date web site.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 11:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

how can i find repeate and shuffle mode in vlc playback without using
addon?
i need these features, but could not find them in the playback menu.

On 7/9/17, Melissa Jean <Melissa.J.Hammitt@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David, thanks so much for putting this list together. I was able to
grab a few addons I didn't know about.
There was one addon that I wasn't able to find. do you have a link to
the addon Say Product Name and Version ? For some reason I wasn't able
to find it myself.
My allergies are making my brain stupid....

thanks,
Melissa
On 7/7/17, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pascal and all!
NVDA add on Number 7 is:
Say Product Name and Version; Status: running; Version: 1.0.2012060901;
Author: Patrick ZAJDA <patrick@zajda.fr> 8 of 17
For some reason, the name of that add on did not get pasted under Number
Seven.
Pascal, you are so welcome. I personally use all of these add ons all of
the
time with NVDA. I encourage you to find these add ons and try them all
out.
They greatly enhance the NVDA experience, and they allow you to do so
much
more. Let me know if you can find them, and how they work for you!
I wanted to give these awesome NVDA add on developers some input
concerning
why I like using these add ons so much. I put the same email on the NVDA
add
ons group.
Have a great one, Pascal!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

Hi David,
Thank you for providing the list of addons. I would have never taken
the
time to look for them. Computer is not my priority as I only use it for
what I need.
Blessings
Pascal


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
David
Moore
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

Hi all,
I use NVDA 30 percent more, because of these add ons.
Here are my favorite add ons, and I explain why!
Here is the list!
NVDA add ons I love the most and why.
I want to share with all of you, which add ons really impress me the
most,
and the ones I am getting the most use out of by using them.
Number One:
Clip Contents Designer; Status: running; Version: 3.5; Author: Noelia
Ruiz
Martínez <nrm1977@gmail.com>
I very often want to copy some material, and append more material to the
clipboard. I do this a lot to edit and create tutorials.
I love this add on, and it helps me a lot. Thank you!
Number two:
Clipspeak; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Damien Sykes-Lindley
<damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> 2 of 17
It gives me such peace of mind to hear what I have on the clip board,
before
I paste it somewhere. Thank you!
Number three:
Enhanced Aria; Status: running; Version: 1.3-dev; Author: Jose Manuel
Delicado <jmdaweb@hotmail.com>
I can now use two great TV web sites to stream movies and TV shows,
because
this add on lets me access the ARIA That I need to enjoy these streaming
web
sites. Thank you!
Number four:
Golden Cursor moves the mouse with the keyboard; Status: running;
Version:
1.0-dev; Author: Salah Atair <atair1978@gmail.com>, Wafeeq Taher 5 of
17
I want all to know how much I use this add on. Here is an example.
My wife will move the mouse pointer to a place that I cannot find. I can
then press a command to hear what pixel position the mouse pointer is
on.
I
can save that pixel position, and my wife never has to put the mouse
pointer
there again. I just press a command, and it brings up all saved mouse
pointer positions that I have saved. I label my saved pixel positions,
like
fast forward in Groove, for example. I can open the list of saved pixel
positions, and arrow to that Groove button, and press enter, and the
actual
mouse pointer goes right there.
Sometimes, you cannot get the mouse pointer to route to where the review
cursor is located, and with one time of sighted assistance, you can save
the
pixel position where the sighted person put the mouse pointer, and you
can
go back there yourself from then on. Thank you very much, and I pray you
keep developing and supporting this add on!
Number five:
Lambda math editor addon; Status: running; Version: 1.1.8-dev; Author:
Alberto Zanella <lapostadialberto@gmail.com> 6 of 17
This add on, has allowed me to tutor highr math concepts on my on line
math
tutoring business to sighted people.
I am getting access to more hier math topics, and I can use this add on
to
read the other person's work when they send it back to me. Thank you!
Number six:
Place markers; Status: running; Version: 8.1-dev; Author: Noelia
<nrm1977@gmail.com>, Chris <llajta2012@gmail.com> 7 of 17
This add on has saved me so much time every day. Many times a day, I put
a
place marker somewhere that I will return to later. This is the place
marker
feature in JAWS. Thank you! This saves me a lot of time.
Number Seven
I absolutely love this add on. Many times, I am in a program when I want
to
here the version of the application. I really missed doing thiswith
JAWS.
Now, I can use this feature with NVDA. Thank you!
Number Eight:
Speak Passwords; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Tyler Spivey
<tspivey@pcdesk.net> 10 of 17
This is priceless. I love being to hear the characters I type in instead
of
hearing * for every character. Thank you!
Number Nine:
Speech history review and copying; Status: running; Version: 2017.05.13;
Author: [u'Tyler Spivey', u'James Scholes'] 11 of 17
I love this add on. I am using it as I type this article. I down arrow
through my add ons, and I just press F12 to paste what NVDA said to the
clip
board. Again, this is the speach history in JAWS. These add ons are
allowing
us to use NVDA and get these JAWS features. Thank you!
Number Ten:
Insert Symbols; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Erion
<rob.mail@freemail.hu> 12 of 17
I can insert hundreds of symbols in a document, Facebook post, or email,
that I never had to choose from with JAWS. There are so many symbols
that
you can choose from, I have not heard of many of them. I absolutely love
this add on! Thank you!
Number Eleven:
Virtual Review; Status: running; Version: 2.2; Author: Rui Batista
<ruiandrebatista@gmail.com> and NVDA Addon Team 13 of 17
This add on, speeds up tasks that I often do. It is not object
navigation,
but I can get access to text and more on the screen so quickly with this
add
on! Thank you!
VLC Media Player; Status: running; Version: 1.2; Author: Javi Dominguez
<fjavids@gmail.com> 14 of 17
I love using VLC Media Player. This add on, allows me to tab and hear
many
of the controls on the screen, and I have access to the repeat and
shuffle
toggles. Thank you!
Weather Plus; Status: running; Version: 4.4 15.06.2017; Author: Adriano
Barbieri <adrianobarb@yahoo.it>. 15 of 17
I really love this weather add on. I use it constantly. My wife asks me
about the weather. and I simply press NVDA+Shift+W and get the forcast.
What
I like most, is that it is copied to the clipboard, and I can paste the
entire forecast into a text document like Note Pad.
I love this add on, because I have many cities that I can find out the
weather in. Thank you so much!
Number Twelve
Windows 10 App Essentials; Status: running; Version: 20170705-dev;
Author:
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>, Derek Riemer
<driemer.riemer@gmail.com> and others
Thank you Joseph! I have used this add on to get much more accessibility
in
universal apps, the start area, settings app, and other places. This add
on
has allowed me to use many of the win10 universal apps for a long time!
Thank you!
Number Thirteen:
Windows 10 Calculator; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> 17 of 17
I use the Windows 10 calculator all of the time. I do scientific
calculations with it many times a day. This add on has really helped me
a
lot. Thank You!
This is it!
The summary, is that many features of JAWS are in these add ons. NVDA is
much more powerful with these add ons, and I appreciate all of your time
and
work to make these add ons, and do all that you do for the NVDA
community.
I
now use NVDA 90 percent of the time, because of these add ons. They have
really made a difference, and I want you all to know!
David Moore
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Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

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Hi there I got an Amazon Echo the other day to make things easier for finding radio stations and other stuff, but I did have issues with the App as the synth every time it read the A word triggered the echo and the change in state was actively updating the app contents as I was trying to use it!
I have now decided to do the following
I'm going to replace the name that shall not be spoken with the string, The A word in the dictionary so hopefully I can finally get some skills sorted without complete chaos.

I'd advise this for anyone with a device like this.
Brian

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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

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There used to be a program that could delete anything you liked. The way it worked was it presented you with locked or files protected in various ways. You selected them and then it rebooted the computer via some low level, ie non Microsoft system and deleted what you had told it by accessing a text file you had saved vai the program. Unfortunately and this is the really annoying part I cannot remember what it was called but it did give dire warnings about using it to remove files that might be used by windows and then the machine would not reboot.
It used to work well in XP and the dire Vista, but not bothered with it since as now drives are so huge that a little bit of wasted space is not really an issue any more.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

When I try to delete them with file explorer. Or, for that matter,
any other file management software. When trying to use the
wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not
exist/file not available error messages!

So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my
machine.

Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family
has now grown to seven directories!

I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and
this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.
You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you
tried deleting them using Windows Explorer? If that doesn't work,
there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept
from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they
aren't.
Others may have more information.
Gene
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*From:* Carlos <mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting.
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?

Cheers
Chris

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the
context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter
what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access
control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old
system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without
sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly
formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of
windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter
if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When
you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see
that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

i agree with you brian.
i realy wish another solution for replacing with microsoft office.
but in libreoffice website and there bugzilla, i realized that
libreoffice is written in c++ language.
the previous versions only were accessible using java and java access briedge.
but since version 4.3, fortunately there is no need for installing
these extra component.
java now is needed specially for database.

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That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and

the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now
have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that
might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing
people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it

up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is

more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

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I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers
the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model

for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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Re: My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

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The only caveat I'd say is that it is not officially tested. By that I mean, the add ons that are there if not also on the official site you take at face value. I'm sure every attempt is made to screen out dodgy code, but just be careful in case something has been missed. This goes for any other web sites where add ons are stored away from the one you have a link to in th e ad ons dialogue. Yes sometimes an older version of an add on can be needed for xp for example.

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!


Hi guys!
I found the URL that has the say name of product and version NVDA add on.
This site is great, because there are a few older add ons on here that still work great with win10 and latest NVDA. Here is the URL:
http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm
It is called Jeff’s NVDA add on repository or something close to that. The page starts out something like this:
Welcome to my NVDA Add-on Repository.
This page aims to bring together all of the optional components available for the free, open source screen reader known as NVDA.
Before you can install any of the below add-ons, you must first install NVDA.
There are many add ons on there! It is kept up to date, because it says on the site that it was updated in April of this year. Joseph Lee’s Windows 10 app assentials is on there, so it is an up to date web site.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 11:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

how can i find repeate and shuffle mode in vlc playback without using addon?
i need these features, but could not find them in the playback menu.

On 7/9/17, Melissa Jean <Melissa.J.Hammitt@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi David, thanks so much for putting this list together. I was able to
grab a few addons I didn't know about.
There was one addon that I wasn't able to find. do you have a link to
the addon Say Product Name and Version ? For some reason I wasn't able
to find it myself.
My allergies are making my brain stupid....

thanks,
Melissa
On 7/7/17, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pascal and all!
NVDA add on Number 7 is:
Say Product Name and Version; Status: running; Version: 1.0.2012060901;
Author: Patrick ZAJDA <patrick@zajda.fr> 8 of 17
For some reason, the name of that add on did not get pasted under Number
Seven.
Pascal, you are so welcome. I personally use all of these add ons all of
the
time with NVDA. I encourage you to find these add ons and try them all
out.
They greatly enhance the NVDA experience, and they allow you to do so
much
more. Let me know if you can find them, and how they work for you!
I wanted to give these awesome NVDA add on developers some input
concerning
why I like using these add ons so much. I put the same email on the NVDA
add
ons group.
Have a great one, Pascal!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

Hi David,
Thank you for providing the list of addons. I would have never taken the
time to look for them. Computer is not my priority as I only use it for
what I need.
Blessings
Pascal


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Moore
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

Hi all,
I use NVDA 30 percent more, because of these add ons.
Here are my favorite add ons, and I explain why!
Here is the list!
NVDA add ons I love the most and why.
I want to share with all of you, which add ons really impress me the
most,
and the ones I am getting the most use out of by using them.
Number One:
Clip Contents Designer; Status: running; Version: 3.5; Author: Noelia
Ruiz
Martínez <nrm1977@gmail.com>
I very often want to copy some material, and append more material to the
clipboard. I do this a lot to edit and create tutorials.
I love this add on, and it helps me a lot. Thank you!
Number two:
Clipspeak; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Damien Sykes-Lindley
<damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> 2 of 17
It gives me such peace of mind to hear what I have on the clip board,
before
I paste it somewhere. Thank you!
Number three:
Enhanced Aria; Status: running; Version: 1.3-dev; Author: Jose Manuel
Delicado <jmdaweb@hotmail.com>
I can now use two great TV web sites to stream movies and TV shows,
because
this add on lets me access the ARIA That I need to enjoy these streaming
web
sites. Thank you!
Number four:
Golden Cursor moves the mouse with the keyboard; Status: running;
Version:
1.0-dev; Author: Salah Atair <atair1978@gmail.com>, Wafeeq Taher 5 of 17
I want all to know how much I use this add on. Here is an example.
My wife will move the mouse pointer to a place that I cannot find. I can
then press a command to hear what pixel position the mouse pointer is on.
I
can save that pixel position, and my wife never has to put the mouse
pointer
there again. I just press a command, and it brings up all saved mouse
pointer positions that I have saved. I label my saved pixel positions,
like
fast forward in Groove, for example. I can open the list of saved pixel
positions, and arrow to that Groove button, and press enter, and the
actual
mouse pointer goes right there.
Sometimes, you cannot get the mouse pointer to route to where the review
cursor is located, and with one time of sighted assistance, you can save
the
pixel position where the sighted person put the mouse pointer, and you
can
go back there yourself from then on. Thank you very much, and I pray you
keep developing and supporting this add on!
Number five:
Lambda math editor addon; Status: running; Version: 1.1.8-dev; Author:
Alberto Zanella <lapostadialberto@gmail.com> 6 of 17
This add on, has allowed me to tutor highr math concepts on my on line
math
tutoring business to sighted people.
I am getting access to more hier math topics, and I can use this add on
to
read the other person's work when they send it back to me. Thank you!
Number six:
Place markers; Status: running; Version: 8.1-dev; Author: Noelia
<nrm1977@gmail.com>, Chris <llajta2012@gmail.com> 7 of 17
This add on has saved me so much time every day. Many times a day, I put
a
place marker somewhere that I will return to later. This is the place
marker
feature in JAWS. Thank you! This saves me a lot of time.
Number Seven
I absolutely love this add on. Many times, I am in a program when I want
to
here the version of the application. I really missed doing thiswith JAWS.
Now, I can use this feature with NVDA. Thank you!
Number Eight:
Speak Passwords; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Tyler Spivey
<tspivey@pcdesk.net> 10 of 17
This is priceless. I love being to hear the characters I type in instead
of
hearing * for every character. Thank you!
Number Nine:
Speech history review and copying; Status: running; Version: 2017.05.13;
Author: [u'Tyler Spivey', u'James Scholes'] 11 of 17
I love this add on. I am using it as I type this article. I down arrow
through my add ons, and I just press F12 to paste what NVDA said to the
clip
board. Again, this is the speach history in JAWS. These add ons are
allowing
us to use NVDA and get these JAWS features. Thank you!
Number Ten:
Insert Symbols; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Erion
<rob.mail@freemail.hu> 12 of 17
I can insert hundreds of symbols in a document, Facebook post, or email,
that I never had to choose from with JAWS. There are so many symbols that
you can choose from, I have not heard of many of them. I absolutely love
this add on! Thank you!
Number Eleven:
Virtual Review; Status: running; Version: 2.2; Author: Rui Batista
<ruiandrebatista@gmail.com> and NVDA Addon Team 13 of 17
This add on, speeds up tasks that I often do. It is not object
navigation,
but I can get access to text and more on the screen so quickly with this
add
on! Thank you!
VLC Media Player; Status: running; Version: 1.2; Author: Javi Dominguez
<fjavids@gmail.com> 14 of 17
I love using VLC Media Player. This add on, allows me to tab and hear
many
of the controls on the screen, and I have access to the repeat and
shuffle
toggles. Thank you!
Weather Plus; Status: running; Version: 4.4 15.06.2017; Author: Adriano
Barbieri <adrianobarb@yahoo.it>. 15 of 17
I really love this weather add on. I use it constantly. My wife asks me
about the weather. and I simply press NVDA+Shift+W and get the forcast.
What
I like most, is that it is copied to the clipboard, and I can paste the
entire forecast into a text document like Note Pad.
I love this add on, because I have many cities that I can find out the
weather in. Thank you so much!
Number Twelve
Windows 10 App Essentials; Status: running; Version: 20170705-dev;
Author:
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>, Derek Riemer
<driemer.riemer@gmail.com> and others
Thank you Joseph! I have used this add on to get much more accessibility
in
universal apps, the start area, settings app, and other places. This add
on
has allowed me to use many of the win10 universal apps for a long time!
Thank you!
Number Thirteen:
Windows 10 Calculator; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> 17 of 17
I use the Windows 10 calculator all of the time. I do scientific
calculations with it many times a day. This add on has really helped me a
lot. Thank You!
This is it!
The summary, is that many features of JAWS are in these add ons. NVDA is
much more powerful with these add ons, and I appreciate all of your time
and
work to make these add ons, and do all that you do for the NVDA community.
I
now use NVDA 90 percent of the time, because of these add ons. They have
really made a difference, and I want you all to know!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10






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Re: My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

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We have been down this road before, and people always disagree. In fact I have no issue with add ons as they seldom have issues, and if they do you can remove that add on. if it was part of nvda and had a problem then you could not remove it.
Remember that the development team who are paid for nvda are small and a lot of the functionality we get now has had to be on a priority basis, not an 'i'd like this to be part of ' basis.
Lots of things I'm sure would be nice to have but one has to cut ones cloth according to ones resources so to speak.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!


Add ons, except for features found in the Windows 10 add on, will almost never be added to NVDA as included features. You are creating problems and inconveniences for yourself that are entirely of your own making. You refuse to even try add ons and insist on not using them and you have stated that you don't use add ons many times.

I won't write about this again, but I'm writing specifically in response to your message to try to get you to consider at least trying add ons. Are the probably thousands of people who use NVDA add ons and who report no problems all wrong? Doesn't that make you at least wonder if your refusal is logical and makes sense?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 6:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!


i wish that i had these useful addons in nvda installation file by default.
like jaws which does not require any addon.
for me, knowing the version of programs, knowing about copy, peist cut
and also some feature that i can copy all of my desire parts of file
and peist them together i need.
when i copy some part of file, i should peist and again select second
part to copy and peist.

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Yes to a point this is so, but its not exactly fast to do.
I'm not using it at the moment but if you want a player that, out of the
box will play almost everything without oodles of codecs it is very good.
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!


Hi Nasrin!
You do not need the add on. I believe you can find the repeat and shuffle
features in the play back menu of VLC!
Take care!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!

and one question more and i appreciate you/
how can i use vlc player without addon?
i need the repeate and shuffle feature.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 7/8/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi david.
thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with us.
could you please email me the list privately?
i am afraid that i lose it and cant find them again.
i send for people who say nvda is not useful and only jaws is the best
screen reader which we can do everything we want and provide our need
and jaws only has our desired features.

On 7/8/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Strange you are not using the Systray addon that replicate the
Insert+F11
of

Jaws...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: David Moore
Data: 7 de julho de 2017 23:30
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] My Favorite NVDA add ons and Why!



Hi all,

I use NVDA 30 percent more, because of these add ons.

Here are my favorite add ons, and I explain why!

Here is the list!

NVDA add ons I love the most and why.

I want to share with all of you, which add ons really impress me the
most,
and the ones I am getting the most use out of by using them.

Number One:

Clip Contents Designer; Status: running; Version: 3.5; Author: Noelia
Ruiz
Martínez <nrm1977@gmail.com>

I very often want to copy some material, and append more material to the
clipboard. I do this a lot to edit and create tutorials.

I love this add on, and it helps me a lot. Thank you!

Number two:

Clipspeak; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Damien Sykes-Lindley
<damien@dcpendleton.plus.com> 2 of 17

It gives me such peace of mind to hear what I have on the clip board,
before

I paste it somewhere. Thank you!

Number three:

Enhanced Aria; Status: running; Version: 1.3-dev; Author: Jose Manuel
Delicado <jmdaweb@hotmail.com>

I can now use two great TV web sites to stream movies and TV shows,
because

this add on lets me access the ARIA That I need to enjoy these streaming
web

sites. Thank you!

Number four:

Golden Cursor moves the mouse with the keyboard; Status: running;
Version:
1.0-dev; Author: Salah Atair <atair1978@gmail.com>, Wafeeq Taher 5 of
17

I want all to know how much I use this add on. Here is an example.

My wife will move the mouse pointer to a place that I cannot find. I can
then press a command to hear what pixel position the mouse pointer is
on.
I

can save that pixel position, and my wife never has to put the mouse
pointer

there again. I just press a command, and it brings up all saved mouse
pointer positions that I have saved. I label my saved pixel positions,
like

fast forward in Groove, for example. I can open the list of saved pixel
positions, and arrow to that Groove button, and press enter, and the
actual

mouse pointer goes right there.

Sometimes, you cannot get the mouse pointer to route to where the review
cursor is located, and with one time of sighted assistance, you can save
the

pixel position where the sighted person put the mouse pointer, and you
can
go back there yourself from then on. Thank you very much, and I pray you
keep developing and supporting this add on!

Number five:

Lambda math editor addon; Status: running; Version: 1.1.8-dev; Author:
Alberto Zanella <lapostadialberto@gmail.com> 6 of 17

This add on, has allowed me to tutor highr math concepts on my on line
math

tutoring business to sighted people.

I am getting access to more hier math topics, and I can use this add on
to
read the other person's work when they send it back to me. Thank you!

Number six:

Place markers; Status: running; Version: 8.1-dev; Author: Noelia
<nrm1977@gmail.com>, Chris <llajta2012@gmail.com> 7 of 17

This add on has saved me so much time every day. Many times a day, I put
a
place marker somewhere that I will return to later. This is the place
marker

feature in JAWS. Thank you! This saves me a lot of time.

Number Seven

I absolutely love this add on. Many times, I am in a program when I want
to

here the version of the application. I really missed doing thiswith
JAWS.
Now, I can use this feature with NVDA. Thank you!

Number Eight:

Speak Passwords; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Tyler Spivey
<tspivey@pcdesk.net> 10 of 17

This is priceless. I love being to hear the characters I type in instead
of

hearing * for every character. Thank you!

Number Nine:

Speech history review and copying; Status: running; Version: 2017.05.13;
Author: [u'Tyler Spivey', u'James Scholes'] 11 of 17

I love this add on. I am using it as I type this article. I down arrow
through my add ons, and I just press F12 to paste what NVDA said to the
clip

board. Again, this is the speach history in JAWS. These add ons are
allowing

us to use NVDA and get these JAWS features. Thank you!

Number Ten:

Insert Symbols; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Erion
<rob.mail@freemail.hu> 12 of 17

I can insert hundreds of symbols in a document, Facebook post, or email,
that I never had to choose from with JAWS. There are so many symbols
that
you can choose from, I have not heard of many of them. I absolutely love
this add on! Thank you!

Number Eleven:

Virtual Review; Status: running; Version: 2.2; Author: Rui Batista
<ruiandrebatista@gmail.com> and NVDA Addon Team 13 of 17

This add on, speeds up tasks that I often do. It is not object
navigation,
but I can get access to text and more on the screen so quickly with this
add

on! Thank you!

VLC Media Player; Status: running; Version: 1.2; Author: Javi Dominguez
<fjavids@gmail.com> 14 of 17

I love using VLC Media Player. This add on, allows me to tab and hear
many
of the controls on the screen, and I have access to the repeat and
shuffle
toggles. Thank you!

Weather Plus; Status: running; Version: 4.4 15.06.2017; Author: Adriano
Barbieri <adrianobarb@yahoo.it>. 15 of 17

I really love this weather add on. I use it constantly. My wife asks me
about the weather. and I simply press NVDA+Shift+W and get the forcast.
What

I like most, is that it is copied to the clipboard, and I can paste the
entire forecast into a text document like Note Pad.

I love this add on, because I have many cities that I can find out the
weather in. Thank you so much!

Number Twelve

Windows 10 App Essentials; Status: running; Version: 20170705-dev;
Author:
Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>, Derek Riemer
<driemer.riemer@gmail.com> and others

Thank you Joseph! I have used this add on to get much more accessibility
in

universal apps, the start area, settings app, and other places. This add
on

has allowed me to use many of the win10 universal apps for a long time!
Thank you!

Number Thirteen:

Windows 10 Calculator; Status: running; Version: 1.0; Author: Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> 17 of 17

I use the Windows 10 calculator all of the time. I do scientific
calculations with it many times a day. This add on has really helped me
a
lot. Thank You!

This is it!

The summary, is that many features of JAWS are in these add ons. NVDA is
much more powerful with these add ons, and I appreciate all of your time
and

work to make these add ons, and do all that you do for the NVDA
community.
I

now use NVDA 90 percent of the time, because of these add ons. They have
really made a difference, and I want you all to know!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10









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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org









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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Way Off Topic!!!

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I do know that if you install an OEM disc of windows it does store some stuff in an unreachable part of the disc, which may or may not have a visible folder but cannot be deleted, often called some very long and weird name.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

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That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

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I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

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I think it can be done in two ways.first using a script or slipstream method where all the required questions are answered as a text input file, and secondly, using narrator but at some point, obviously you are using non windows software right at the start. I've never done it myself, but know of a couple of people who have managed it with windows 10.
Brian

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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


I believe you're asking two different questions:

1. how to format a hard disk

2. how to install windows

To the best of my knowledge the second is not possible without sighted
assistance.


Regards,

Antony.

On Saturday 08 July 2017 at 11:38:48, Carlos wrote:

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted
help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted
drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it
will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use
disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any
file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk
which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

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Its not so much the formatting but the partitioning and making it bootable which can be inaccessible.After all one can install it as a slave and format it, but the partitioning is normally done in a kind of dos subsystem.

Thus windows software cannot look at it. I do remember some years ago there used to be a programme that kind of wrote a script file in windows, then a command was run that booted the machine and wrote the info to that disc, but it had to still be the slave at that time.
I'd be interested in anything like this available for the newer versions of windows and usable in nvda.
A script writing program should be all that is required with some fail safes, ie not just a text editor!
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


--
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

Antony Stone
 

Are you trying to delete these files from the disk which Windows has booted
from, or from a separate hard disk which is not the one with your running
version of Windows on it?

There will be a lot of files on the disk you started Windows from which you
will not be able to delete.


Regards,

Antony.

On Sunday 09 July 2017 at 10:09:35, Carlos wrote:

Hello:

When I try to delete them with file explorer. Or, for that matter,
any other file management software. When trying to use the
wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not
exist/file not available error messages!

So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my
machine.

Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family
has now grown to seven directories!

I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and
this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

Thank You! For all your help!
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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

Carlos
 

Hello:

    When I try to delete them with file explorer.  Or, for that matter, any other file management software.  When trying to use the wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not exist/file not available error messages!

    So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my machine.

    Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family has now grown to seven directories!

    I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

    Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.  You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you tried deleting them using Windows Explorer?  If that doesn't work, there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they aren't. 
 
Others may have more information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

     The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

     Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting. 
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

     I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

     Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

     Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
> Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>
> Hello:
>
>       I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu.  However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!
>
>       It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!
>
>       I am the only one on my PC.  So, I have the user access control set to zero.  And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.
>
>       Thank You! For your response!
>
>
> On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Carlos
>> Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>>        How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?
>>
>>        I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.
>>
>>        For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind!  And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files.  When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!
>>
>>        Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
>>
>>
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> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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Re: Tutorial for using the MS edge browser with NVDA

David Moore
 

Hi sakina!

You are so welcome. Let me know what other tutorials would help you, and I will write them up.

David Moore

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From: Sakina
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial for using the MS edge browser with NVDA

 

Hello David,

Thank you so much for giving all these step by step tutorials on the list which are so useful to someone like me who is just exploring and at times is scared to try out new things due to lack of knowledge.

I understand them well and gradually improve myself. Thank you again.

With best wishes always

sakina

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial for using the MS edge browser with NVDA

 

Hi Rosemarie!

I will certainly do that, and have it to you by next week. I will put it on the list as well.

Thanks a lot, Rosemarie for suggesting that.

Have a great one!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial for using the MS edge browser with NVDA

 

Hi, David,

 

I think an audio tutorial on edge would be great too just like you did with google chrome.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial for using the MS edge browser with NVDA

 

Hi all!

I am excited to paste this tutorial on using the MS Edge browser with NVDA right here in the message. I strongly welcome all feed back.

I tell you everything I heard as I used the Alt+X command, which gave me a menu a lot like the Chrome menu. I did some simple Object navigation to get to the important Hub button, which opens up a five tab dialog to work with favorites and all.

I used NVDA 2017.2, latest stable update.

I used the creators update of Win10 the latest public build.

I used the latest update of Joseph’s Win10 assentials add on.

I could access about 90 percent of what I can in crome.

This tutorial is very short, but comprehensive.

Here it is right below.

Tutorial for Microsoft Edge

I will write this tutorial using NVDA only. I found NVDA to work much better with Edge than with Narrator.

I am using the Latest stable version of NVDA 2017.2.

I am using the latest public build of Windows 10 Creators update.

If you are using anything different than that, you might get different results.

Step Number One:

Opening the Edge Browser:

Press the Windows key or CTRL+Escape, to open the start area. Next, type Edge and enter when NVDA announces it.

Press enter, and the Edge browser should open.

Step Number Two:

I pressed CTRL+L and entered:

www.freedomscientific.com

That is the site for Freedom Scientific.

The web site came up very quickly.

I can use all navigation keys for other browsers, and they all work.

Now, I will now press ALT+X to open a menu of choices. One of these choices is settings.

I will now assign a home page to open everytime I launch the Edge browser.

I will make my home page:

www.google.com

Press enter on Settings.

Next, start tabbing, and you will hear:

change my default button, Choose a theme, Next, there is a combo box where you can choose open Edge with a certain page or pages.

This is the choice I will choose in this combo box. I just entered on that choice, and the combo box closed.

Next, there is an edit box where I typed:

www.google.com

My home page is now set.

Tab again, and you can delete that home page, add button where you can enter other home pages, Open new tabs with :

This is another combo box where I choose blank page.

Tab again, and you hear import from another browser. You can import all book marks from all other browsers you use.

Show the favorites bar, mine is not checked. I do not want my favorites to show on the screen for all to see LOL!

Next, choose what to clear button. Pressing enter on this, allows you to choose where you want to clear such as browsing history, and that. You can also choose whether this should be cleared every time you close the Edge browser.

Tab, and I hear my MS email, and it is a link.

Tab, and you hear sinc your favorites and book lists. You can sink all of these across all of your devices.

I am just tabbing through the settings dialog. That is it.

Tab, and you hear sync device settings. Next, you hear advanced settings.

Go ahead and enter on the advanced settings. There is a lot you can customise here.

First, block popups, you can check or uncheck.

Next, I hear Use adobe flash player, and it is checked.

Next, open sites in apps, and it is checked.

Next, choose what sites open in apps. I am not sure what this is all about. It sounds powerfful.

Next, I hear change button, not sure what that is.

Ask me what to do with each download, and that is check for me.

Open proxy settings.

Manage button.

Learn more link.

Offer to save ppasswords, and mine is checked.

Manage passwords button.

Save form entries, and mine is checked.

Do not track requests, and mine is unchecked.

Have cortana assist me in MS Edge, and mine is checked.

Change search  engin button. I entered on that, and a combo box came up, and I chose Google, and I pressed enter. Now, Google is my default search engin instead of bing.

Show site and search suggestions as I type, and mine is unchecked. If you want suggestions as you type, checked this.

Clear bing search history link.

This allows you to do just that.

Optamise web search results using the taskbar for screen readers. Mine is checked.

Cookies combo box, mine is set to do not block.

Let sites save protective media licenses on my device, and mine is checked.

Use page prediction to speed up browsing, and mine is checked.

Help me to protect myself from malicious web sites and downloads using Windows Defender, and mine is checked.

Pin this pain button.

Next, back button.

If you change any of these advanced settings, you can tab to the back button to go back to where you were.

I entered on the back button, and I am back to the settings dialog where I was, when I pressed enter on advanced settings.

We are done with settings, and the advanced settings. You see, just by pressing enter on settings, we were able to simply tab through all of these settings, and press enter on the advanced settings, and customise Edge to your liking, just like you can in other browsers.

Settings was in the menu that comes up by pressing ALT+X. This menu of choices is a lot like the Chrome menu that you get by pressing the Alt key.

There are many choices in that ALT+X menu, that I encourage you to just arrow through, just like the Chrome menu. Important, I have to press Escape twice to get out of the settings or this menu to get back to my Freedom Scientific page that I have opened.

Now, I will use object navigation to show you how to get to the Hub.

The hub button, opens up five tabs. You can just press CTRL+Tab to tab through the choices of each of these five tabs. It is just like a multi page dialog.

Now, I will press CTRL+Home to get to the top of the Freedom Scientific web site that I have opened.

Next, I will press NVDA+Numpad 8, to go up to my parent objects.

I first hear the page I am on. Now, Pressing Numpad 6, takes me to the navigation bar. That is the only object to the right.

So, Now, hold NVDA, and press numpad 4 to go left through the objects.

You hear the page you are on, then, Next, pressing numpad 4, you hear settings and more. That is the exact menu that you get by pressing ALT+X. Pressing NVDA+Enter will open the same menu we were just in.

Important, I have to press NVDA+Enter to activate these buttons, because I am using object navigation to access these controls.

Press numpad 4 again,

I hear Share, then Make a web note, and Now, the important hub.

I will now press NVDA+Enter on this hub button, and I will get this five tab dialog I told you about.

I hear:

Favorites tab, 1 of 5. So here we are in our favorites.

If I tab twice, I can arrow up and down through my favorites. In a web site, just press CTRL+D to save a favorite.

Now, I will press CTRL+TAB to get to the next dialog.

Next, I hear reading list tab. I have nothing here. This is probably for books that you download with Edge from the store.

CTRL+TAB again:

I hear Get Books, sign in, and shop for books in the store! This is exciting.

The 4th tab, is my history. I can delete my history, and look at my history here.

The 5th and last tab, is my downloads tab. Here is where you come to view your downloads, and check on the status of a download in progress.

So, that is it for the HUB button.

I pressed Escape to get out of Hub. We are still in these parent objects. Press NVDA+Numpad 4 again from Hub, I hear Add to favorites or reading list. Very interesting about the reading list.

Next, I hear my Web Address in the Address bar.

Refresh button, back button, Show tab previews button, Still pressing NVDA+Numpad 4.

Now, New tab button, My Freedom Scientific button, and then, Set tabs aside. Lastly, show tabs you have set aside. and that is it.

So, all that I just told you about, I accessed by just pressing CTRL+Home to get to the top of my web page, Pressed NVDA+Numpad 8, then, I kept pressing Numpad 4 with NVDA key held down. The Hub, was just a five tab dialog.

All navigation commands work in Edge, just like in other Browsers. I was able to listen to the FS pod casts by pressing shift+enter on the one below the one I wanted to listen to. To listen to the first, I had to press shift+enter on the second one. That was interesting.

I always press shift+enter to have a link open in a new window, instead of a new tab. The FS casts from Freedom Scientific, played with my Adobe Flash player.

As you can see, you can do quite a bit with Edge, by using the Latest NVDA public version, and just Doing a little bit of object navigation, and the menu that opens by pressing Alt+X.

Please give me your feed back, and how much you hear what I hear when tabbing and the like.

That is all for this tutorial.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

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