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Re: Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

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Unfortunately whatever you change it to, like computer is a well used word.
It claims it can only be amazon or echo on my instructions.

No my way works well as one does not encounter alexa very often in normal screenreader use apart from the app or nasty people who email me with Alexa set a recurring alarm for 3 AM

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralf Kefferpuetz" <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda


Brian,
for that reason I changed the code-word to "Computer" from within the Alexa
app.

Regards,
Ralf

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Sent: Sonntag, 9. Juli 2017 11:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Hi there I got an Amazon Echo the other day to make things easier for
finding radio stations and other stuff, but I did have issues with the App
as the synth every time it read the A word triggered the echo and the
change in state was actively updating the app contents as I was trying to
use it!
I have now decided to do the following
I'm going to replace the name that shall not be spoken with the string,
The A word in the dictionary so hopefully I can finally get some skills
sorted without complete chaos.

I'd advise this for anyone with a device like this.
Brian

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Re: Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

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Because I don't want to, particularly today its 27 degrees c here today.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" <louvins@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda


Why not just wear a pair of headphones when configuring the Alexa app
on your computer. That way the Alexa Echo wouldn't hear her name
being spoken by NVDA.

On 7/9/17, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Brian,
for that reason I changed the code-word to "Computer" from within the Alexa
app.

Regards,
Ralf

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Sent: Sonntag, 9. Juli 2017 11:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Hi there I got an Amazon Echo the other day to make things easier for
finding radio stations and other stuff, but I did have issues with the App
as the synth every time it read the A word triggered the echo and the
change in state was actively updating the app contents as I was trying to
use it!
I have now decided to do the following
I'm going to replace the name that shall not be spoken with the string,
The A word in the dictionary so hopefully I can finally get some skills
sorted without complete chaos.

I'd advise this for anyone with a device like this.
Brian

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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

i also sent email for them and i am waiting for they reply.

On 7/9/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't
mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

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<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to
have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format.
If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save
ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.






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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Jeff’s NVDA add on repository

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I thought we had answered that already. It is really up to you. Its not sanctioned by anybody in authority, but I've never heard of any bad ones being up there. I'm sure he takes such steps as needed to check them out if they aware not on the main site. You have to ask this question though. Why are they not on the main site if there is not problem with them?
Often this may be because they are quite old or may have been written to get over a certain problem which is not mass market. However it is very easy in any kind of script language, to expose parts of the system to naughty people who want to get at your data, so you really have to make your own mind up at the time if its worth it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:18 PM
Subject: [nvda] Jeff’s NVDA add on repository


So I am asking the NVDA experts here, Is this Jeff’s NVDA add on repository a safe place to download add ons?

Thanks



Re: subject line

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Yes and sometimes changing them just makes things more confusing or does not work as expected. Could one of the admins here tell us if it is possible to start a new thread so to speak but keep some of the parts of another one without basically cutting and pasting all over the place.

Often subjects stray gradually.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] subject line


It sure would be great if the subject lines of messages were changed to meet the subject of the message when they stray away from the original posted message.



Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

i remembered from its copyright that i downloaded one version in three
years ago and it was not accessible for me.
i dont know about the newer versions and also paid version.
i tried free version which was less than 60 mb in that year.
hope that it became accessible until now and someone explaned about
its usage and accessibility.

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't
mind paying 80 dollars for full office.




On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc
afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to
have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save
ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

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But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.





--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: using outlook how do you get to find out how many messages are in a folder using NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Interesting! I’ve never used that command before! It tells me that I have 60 unread and 40 in normal view. What does that mean?

 

My usual way to do it is to press the End key alone. This brings me to the last message in the message box. To hear how many there are, I have to listen to the details of the message and its sender , etc., until I finally hear “60 column1”.

 

When I count the messages, I find that there are indeed 60 messages but only 45 are unread not 60 as reported by NVDA+End! Perhaps I should log this in GitHub?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using outlook how do you get to find out how many messages are in a folder using NVDA

 

Use read status line.  The desktop keyboard layout command is NVDA key end.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 11:37 PM

Subject: [nvda] using outlook how do you get to find out how many messages are in a folder using NVDA

 

HI I am using NVDA AND OUTLOOK 2016.

What is the correct keys to find out how many messages are in A folder using NVDA when you are in your folders lists?

 

 

 


Good News!!!

Carlos
 

Hello All!

Thanks to our very good and knowledgeable friend Gene NZ! I was able to get rid of the family of windows.old directories which had taken over my hard drive!

We all on this list owe a great deal of gratitude to Gene NZ for all the knowledge he is always sharing here on the list!

Thank You! All for all of your great suggestions and advice!!!


--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...


subject line

Don H
 

It sure would be great if the subject lines of messages were changed to meet the subject of the message when they stray away from the original posted message.


Video streaming services and NVDA

Don H
 

Are there any of the free or pay for Vidio streaming services that work well with NVDA?

Thanks


Re: Way Off Topic!!!

Gene
 

As I said, there are utilities that may allow you to delete the files.  Some people boot into Linux to delete files in such cases.  That may be an option as well but you may not want to fool around with it yourself. 
 
I don't know if there are other options. 
Gene

From: Carlos
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

    When I try to delete them with file explorer.  Or, for that matter, any other file management software.  When trying to use the wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not exist/file not available error messages!

    So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my machine.

    Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family has now grown to seven directories!

    I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

    Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.  You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you tried deleting them using Windows Explorer?  If that doesn't work, there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they aren't. 
 
Others may have more information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

     The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

     Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting. 
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

     I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

     Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

     Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
> Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
> Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>
> Hello:
>
>       I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu.  However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!
>
>       It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!
>
>       I am the only one on my PC.  So, I have the user access control set to zero.  And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.
>
>       Thank You! For your response!
>
>
> On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Carlos
>> Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>>        How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?
>>
>>        I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.
>>
>>        For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind!  And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files.  When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!
>>
>>        Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
>>
>>
>> --
>> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...




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Jeff’s NVDA add on repository

Don H
 

So I am asking the NVDA experts here, Is this Jeff’s NVDA add on repository a safe place to download add ons?

Thanks


Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

Please reply if it works.

I may concidder it later on if it is.

Jarte works well but if I need to switch to another office app, I don't mind paying 80 dollars for full office.

On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

www.wps.com

I havn't tried this it does a bit more than standard office, document and pdf conversion and a few things.

It seems that from forums a lot of people that switched from ms office line didn't like the direction of libre or open office families and switched to this.

In one case online the software has been reportedly installed all over the place and is not good, however, it was only 1.

I do know from security sites I read thats its been round since 1997 and that it is chinese.

So it is almost as old as modern office office 95 and earlier excluded.

On 9/07/2017 11:54 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*
--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org




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Re: Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Why not just wear a pair of headphones when configuring the Alexa app
on your computer. That way the Alexa Echo wouldn't hear her name
being spoken by NVDA.

On 7/9/17, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Brian,
for that reason I changed the code-word to "Computer" from within the Alexa
app.

Regards,
Ralf

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Sent: Sonntag, 9. Juli 2017 11:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Amazon Echo and the app with nvda

Hi there I got an Amazon Echo the other day to make things easier for
finding radio stations and other stuff, but I did have issues with the App
as the synth every time it read the A word triggered the echo and the
change in state was actively updating the app contents as I was trying to
use it!
I have now decided to do the following
I'm going to replace the name that shall not be spoken with the string,
The A word in the dictionary so hopefully I can finally get some skills
sorted without complete chaos.

I'd advise this for anyone with a device like this.
Brian

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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

i remember that one time i tried one office program which was
completely inaccessible.
i am not sure about its name whether wps office suite or other program.
but if it was wps, it was free version of it.
i dont know there website.
could you please send me to check?

On 7/9/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business
into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending
on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can
subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc
licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based,
linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I
guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.




On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open
Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but
much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java
was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the
box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are
pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep
paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that
there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you
are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody
answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open
office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm
thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market
model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of
going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
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level on
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* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound
truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

It still would be good in situations where stuff didn't kill.

Usually with windows.old folders on upgrades thats 10 days for a major update within win10 and a month for an os to os upgrade.

Even with disk cleanup these folders don'

't die but leave them be and they die by themselves.

As for files that can not bee accessed a chkdsk will fix that.

If you still have the issue, I suggest you backup your data as you may be having a hard drive failier or other failier.

When I got these it started as a few corrupted sectors to the drives not working, in fact it left my drive a lot of it corrupted and I had to restore from another fortunately that drive was able to be restored but it was also going bad.

I lost 3 drives in this way and almost lost all my files.

On 9/07/2017 9:10 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
There used to be a program that could delete anything you liked. The way it worked was it presented you with locked or files protected in various ways. You selected them and then it rebooted the computer via some low level, ie non Microsoft system and deleted what you had told it by accessing a text file you had saved vai the program. Unfortunately and this is the really annoying part I cannot remember what it was called but it did give dire warnings about using it to remove files that might be used by windows and then the machine would not reboot.
It used to work well in XP and the dire Vista, but not bothered with it since as now drives are so huge that a little bit of wasted space is not really an issue any more.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@...>
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

When I try to delete them with file explorer. Or, for that matter,
any other file management software. When trying to use the
wipe/shred/destroy function I get a file not accessible/file does not
exist/file not available error messages!

So, I guess I'm stuck with having all those windows.old files on my
machine.

Today I upgraded from win8.1 to win10 and the windows.old family
has now grown to seven directories!

I have been using PCs since the days of DOS 4.0 to the present and
this one is very hard to understand why it's happening?

Thank You! For all your help!


On 7/8/2017 1:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm sure there is a way to delete them without using Windows cleanup.
You don't have to reformat just to get rid of such folders. Have you
tried deleting them using Windows Explorer? If that doesn't work,
there are utilities that allow files to be deleted that are being kept
from doing so by the operating system showing them as in use when they
aren't.
Others may have more information.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carlos <mailto:gmjc341961@...>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 08, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

The windows.old directories will not go away no matter how I try to
get rid of them with disk cleanup!

Disk cleanup sees them and the check box is checked for deleting.
However! Disk cleanup seems to be unable/unwilling to delete them!

I currently have four windows.old on the root directory. That is
why I may need to do a fresh/clean install of any windows OS and for
that there needs to be a disk reformat!

Being blind and living alone really s___s!!!

Thank You! for reading my message!


On 7/8/2017 10:36 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
Could you give an example of a folder theat will not go away?

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the
context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter
what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be >
removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access
control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old
system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without
sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly
formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of
windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter
if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When
you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see
that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

Yes there is a recovery partition which is needed for restoring laptops often use this.

There are ways of backing it up on dvds and or flash media.

I guess you could kill it from disk manager and just restore but once you restore you get the stuff back.

On 9/07/2017 8:50 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I do know that if you install an OEM disc of windows it does store some stuff in an unreachable part of the disc, which may or may not have a visible folder but cannot be deleted, often called some very long and weird name.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos" <gmjc341961@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


Hello:

I am using disk cleanup with the run as admin choice on the context menu. However, some things just refuse to go away no matter what I do!

It is as if something locks them and does not let them be removed!

I am the only one on my PC. So, I have the user access control set to zero. And, I keep myself logged in as admin all the time.

Thank You! For your response!


On 7/8/2017 5:28 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
When you run disk clean up are you doing so in admin mode as old system files will not be removed unless you are.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carlos
Sent: 8 July 2017 10:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!


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Re: Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA

 

ms office aint that bad I am going to shift my aunt who was in business into using it as she has worked with it at work.

I'd dearly like her to use free office and software but she is spending on a laptop, and will get office.

Has anyone tried wps office at all?

Its free and bar a watermark on printed files is fine.

Now its 30 a year and maybe cheaper per month I forget but you can subscribe a pc and some mobile devices to it.

Or if on pc is all you will use it on its 80 dollars for a lifetime pc licence.

As long as that pc is fine then you don't have an issue.

I think unless you get a key and just install it on another pc afterward.

Thats cheaper than office but has anyone used this.

She has an ios and an android device and since she is cloud based, linking her cloud to her computer with ms apps is not a bad thing I guess since she has a 3 device chain.

The only people that don't are those on single devices like myself.

On 9/07/2017 8:47 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That does not sound good. I know originally Libra Office and Open Office and the Symphony office suite were all written in Java, but much of them now have embeded accessibility, but did wonder if Java was installed if that might help some parts not accessible out of the box.
I'd really like another choice than Microsoft Office as they are pushing people toward toe online product where you have to keep paying to to get it up todate.
Has read all been sorted in Libra Office yet, ie can nvda see that there is more text to read after a larrge break outside of a page you are in?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


i heard that footnotes are completely inaccessible.
but i sent one version of libreoffice for someone to test.
he uses jaws and told me that jaws and libreoffice are not compatible
with each other and installing libreoffice for me that i use jaws,
caused hang for my entire system!

On 7/8/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think maybe what needs to happen here though is that somebody answers the

original question as to whether the footnotes in the Libra and Open office
can be made accessible or not. Anyone know if Jaws does it? I'm thinking
that since Microsoft seem to be drifting toward the rental market model for

Office I'd like to make a statement that I do not like this way of going
forward, so on the next upgrade I'd ditch Word altogether.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading footnotes in LibreOffice with NVDA


hello again.
previous versions of microsoft office need odt 1.0-1.1
if you need to support recent versions of odt format, you need to have
microsoft office 2013.

On 7/8/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Sylvie,

If I may ask, what version of MS Office are you using? Since at
least Office 2010 MS-Word is able to open and save in ODT format. If
you've
got a recent version of Office you should be able to edit and save ODT
files
in their native ODT format without using Libre Office at all.
--
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request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* * But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




.


Re: Way Off Topic!!!

 

Well windows 10 will usually kill those folders after a bit.

Usually they should go away, however, you can reset easily.

If you do reformat I think windows 10 installer can talk now if you have a usb headset I think or if your soundcard is fine you can probably try plugging things in.

I am not sure if that spreads to pe but even still.

If you are happy with linux and get a simple desktop you could log into that on a live cd mount your hard drive and kill the folders, as long as they are not critical windows will start fine.

On 9/07/2017 8:42 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I think it can be done in two ways.first using a script or slipstream method where all the required questions are answered as a text input file, and secondly, using narrator but at some point, obviously you are using non windows software right at the start. I've never done it myself, but know of a couple of people who have managed it with windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Way Off Topic!!!


I believe you're asking two different questions:

1. how to format a hard disk

2. how to install windows

To the best of my knowledge the second is not possible without sighted
assistance.


Regards,

Antony.

On Saturday 08 July 2017 at 11:38:48, Carlos wrote:

Hello All:

How can a totally blind person format a hard disk without sighted
help?

I would like to be able to install windows on a freshly formatted
drive.

For some unknown reason when installing a new version of windows it
will always leave old junk behind! And, it does not matter if you use
disk cleanup to clean out unwanted leftover files. When you use any
file explorer to look at the root directory you will see that old junk
which should have been cleaned is still there!

Thank You! For all your helpful suggestions!!!
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