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Jitendra Kumar
 

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Re: How can I tell if my computer has the Creaters update?

Chris Mullins
 

Press the ?Windows key to get the Cortana search box and type winver, then
press enter. A dialog will open giving you details of the Windows version.
Creators editionis number 1703, if you have 1607, you are still on the
anniversary edition.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John J.
Boyer
Sent: 14 July 2017 06:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How can I tell if my computer has the Creaters update?

That might have something to do with the quick navigation keys not working.
Or it could be because a Microsoft update turned on an accessibility feature
that is interfering with NVDA.

Thanks,
John

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Re: knfb and NVDA

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello

I have KNFB which I use with a flatbed HP scanner.

Character recognition is good and fast, but one thing about the app that really disappointed me, is that it does not retain the layout of the text you scan; It simply dumps everything in one continuous paragraph. So, if you want it to scan books that you would like to keep, or if the layout is important, then I think you will waste your money. I can only hope that this is an area that will receive some attention in a future release. In its present form it is really only good for a quick and dirty.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2017/07/12 12:14 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi

I would buy knfb, but what is a good document camera to use with knfb reader? scanners are big and bulky and a camera would be faster for scanning books and stuff. I also have knfb on my android phone.

and does it work good with NVDA?


Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

 

Well laptop manufacturers put in enhancements to make the sound better than it actually is.

Lets face it, if you want to have a laptop to an ultrabook, compromises need to be made.

Laptop sound is entire crap!

But then would you want to carry round a pair of desktop speakers with your or in your computer?

Back in win 98 and up to xp and earlier there was a time where laptops were large bulky heavy things and yes they actually had good speakers full sized ones and yes they sounded good but even then.

My next system will be since I spend a lot of my time on a desk and not all day traveling the wild roads a gaming unit so a laptop but half way towards a pc.

So these can afford bigger and heavier hardware like speakers.

To combat these laptop manufacturers try to put enhancements on top of well their sound to make it cool.

This serves to take away the worst bits like the speaker peaks and so on and try to make them cool sounding.

And for 99.9% of users it kind of works ok.

Speech though is not music or video, lets face it your average speech synth, ie espeak is full of peaks.

The reason we are getting a hard time is enhancements are designed for sound, and music, not speech especially not screen reader or synthetic speech.

To be honest its almost impossible to have effects at all.

On my soundblaster play creative usb device even without effects speech can be a bit short at times and choppy.

With effects the speech becomes quite crappy and disturbing yet plug in a good set of speakers and put on your favourite music or concert dvd and its all gone.

Microphone effects though if you have them especially echo cancilation, noise reduction and other filters are actually good as they get rid of background noise and actually sound good.

Laptop manufacturers can use depending on what it is some really good microphones.

eg this old toshiba while using a bog standard realtech hd audio unit, has andriea electronics mics in it.

These are used by military and are if not the best one of the good units for speech recognition.

And while not speech recognition material as such they work for skype, and some voice work I do they are clean etc.

Then again I can turn off effects which makes them totally evil and nasty at close range but quite good for far ranged recording as long as you have speakers in the laptop speaker port.

On 14/07/2017 8:40 p.m., Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi all.
One of my friends had this problem a few months ago on a lenovo laptop.
The problem with the enhancements tab is the fact that on some laptops it
doesn't appear.
This was the case with my friend's laptop so eventually I think he had to
go back to the previous update if I understood right.
I don't know if there is another way to disable enhancements from the
command prompt or with another method.
But I agree when the option is there it works.
Nikos

On 14 July 2017 at 11:18, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I don't know if you've gotten to the part of the thread where turning off
enhancements was recommended. Considering the spotty record of the
disability service, that they cause new problems for many people they help
whether they solve the original problem or not and they recommend and do
things that are not going to solve the problem and may cause completely
unnecessary problems such as uninstalling Office, which should not be done
because it breaks accessibility working properly in NVDA, it is a much
better idea, unless not possible, to ask about a problem here first. The
list should not be the last resort. You often get better help on good
lists than from places like the disability service or computer shops.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Graham Armfield <graham.armfield@coolfields.co.uk>
*Sent:* Friday, July 14, 2017 3:10 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

For me it just seems to be NVDA when used with anything. I've not tried
Narrator, but JAWS is fine.

And coincidentally I am also running it on a Lenovo Ideapad 510.

Last evening I had a Microsoft support session and the technician
recommended returning to Win 10 Anniversary edition. That turned out to not
be as easy as it could have been as I didn't have a restore point.
Contemplating a full on reload of Win10, but concerned how much of my setup
that will trash.

You could try running the compatibility troubleshooter on NVDA. For me it
didn't make any difference.



Re: free youtube down loader

 

Well with the case of dvdvideo soft and maybe others they include all licence aggreements in one instead of a seperate one, like they are supposed to.

The opencandy terms of service are actually quite fair.

You are supposed to be able to agree or not at licence.

And the licence stipulates that it will not! interfier with any program installs.

Sadly dvdvideosoft and maybe others have bundled all licence in one evil lump so you agree or not and I am unsure what recourse a user has in this reguard.

Opencandy is not bad per say its just a library, however all the extra hubs, addons, tune up utilities and a bunch of other things can take a computer and make it totally unusable.

While I finally did get rid of it all, I didn't know how bad off I was till after I did a full reformat this year.

Which shows that bits still hung over which can only be fixed by a reformat.

The dvdvideosoftware is not as good as it once was.

I do have applian software but its not as accessible as I'd like and I hardly use it.

Listentoyoutube.com has saved my bacon a bunch of times but thats only going to last as long as it stays up.

Youtube dl-g is fine but its not good for playlists and there is another program pontes media using the same engine.

Its why I in the end brought goldwave because of its cd reader functionality.

I am just happy that 7zip audacity etc do not come bundled with unwanted programs.

Though I don't see why we are worrying about ransomware, microsoft seems to do a good job about getting us involved in their almost malware like schemes yet we grumble and continue.

Then again it depends on the services, google itself could be malware all its chrome, goolbars, etc, all the data of ours it gathers and sells, but then on the other side, we get pritty much the entire service list minus google translate and even that for a small price if you need it for basically nothing no cash.

Your privacy for basically a pritty much free service from maps to an os to phones to a way of life is not bad.

Then again google has always remained visible with their software.

On 14/07/2017 7:39 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Opencandy can be controlled though, its only an issue if you do not spot it at install time.
I don't think its meant to be a pain but tends to be to us as some of the installers don't work correctly with screenreaders.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] free youtube down loader


If you mean youtube dl it doesn't I have it and the youtube dl-g and it works.

For youtube to mp3 or other dvdvideosoft software thats full of opencandy and other malware.




On 14/07/2017 6:02 a.m., Bobby wrote:
Hay I listened to the pod cast on the free youtube down loader. I was wondering if the program installs any malware or add ware. Pleese let me know before I install it.








Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

 

Hi all.
One of my friends had this problem a few months ago on a lenovo laptop.
The problem with the enhancements tab is the fact that on some laptops it doesn't appear.
This was the case with my friend's laptop so eventually I think he had to go back to the previous update if I understood right.
I don't know if there is another way to disable enhancements from the command prompt or with another method.
But I agree when the option is there it works.
Nikos

On 14 July 2017 at 11:18, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know if you've gotten to the part of the thread where turning off enhancements was recommended.  Considering the spotty record of the disability service, that they cause new problems for many people they help whether they solve the original problem or not and they recommend and do things that are not going to solve the problem and may cause completely unnecessary problems such as uninstalling Office, which should not be done because it breaks accessibility working properly in NVDA, it is a much better idea, unless not possible, to ask about a problem here first.  The list should not be the last resort.  You often get better help on good lists than from places like the disability service or computer shops. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

For me it just seems to be NVDA when used with anything. I've not tried Narrator, but JAWS is fine.

And coincidentally I am also running it on a Lenovo Ideapad  510.

Last evening I had a Microsoft support session and the technician recommended returning to Win 10 Anniversary edition. That turned out to not be as easy as it could have been as I didn't have a restore point. Contemplating a full on reload of Win10, but concerned how much of my setup that will trash.

You could try running the compatibility troubleshooter on NVDA. For me it didn't make any difference.



Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

Gene
 

I don't know if you've gotten to the part of the thread where turning off enhancements was recommended.  Considering the spotty record of the disability service, that they cause new problems for many people they help whether they solve the original problem or not and they recommend and do things that are not going to solve the problem and may cause completely unnecessary problems such as uninstalling Office, which should not be done because it breaks accessibility working properly in NVDA, it is a much better idea, unless not possible, to ask about a problem here first.  The list should not be the last resort.  You often get better help on good lists than from places like the disability service or computer shops. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

For me it just seems to be NVDA when used with anything. I've not tried Narrator, but JAWS is fine.

And coincidentally I am also running it on a Lenovo Ideapad  510.

Last evening I had a Microsoft support session and the technician recommended returning to Win 10 Anniversary edition. That turned out to not be as easy as it could have been as I didn't have a restore point. Contemplating a full on reload of Win10, but concerned how much of my setup that will trash.

You could try running the compatibility troubleshooter on NVDA. For me it didn't make any difference.


Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

Graham Armfield
 

For me it just seems to be NVDA when used with anything. I've not tried Narrator, but JAWS is fine.

And coincidentally I am also running it on a Lenovo Ideapad  510.

Last evening I had a Microsoft support session and the technician recommended returning to Win 10 Anniversary edition. That turned out to not be as easy as it could have been as I didn't have a restore point. Contemplating a full on reload of Win10, but concerned how much of my setup that will trash.

You could try running the compatibility troubleshooter on NVDA. For me it didn't make any difference.


Re: Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Um, get a better machine?

Having said that, the current master and next snaps seem to actually work fast on my xp machines.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable


i am very glad that your problem is resolved.
and whats the solution for windows xp users?
i appreciate any help.

On 7/14/17, Mohit Singla <bookscoffeeme@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys I have been able to fix it. Tyler's suggestion to disable
enhancements worked and now NVDA is extremely snappy and well responding.

Here is what I did:
In control Panel go to sounds and then the Playback devices tab
Open Properties of Playback devices and go to the Enhancements tab.
Under Enhancements Check the box Disable all sound effects
Press Ok and Ok again on the Properties Tab
You will see the effect immediately.

Thanks a lot for suggesting the solution.

Cheers
Mohit



Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507

On 14-Jul-2017, at 4:22 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

Yes, it seems this today update turned the PC a little faster...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: David Moore
Data: 13 de julho de 2017 23:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



Hi,

I am using latest Creators build of win10 and the latest NVDA snapshot,
and my computers are more snappy then ever. I just wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable





That is strange!

I am using the last iteration of Windows Creator, last updated one hour
ago,

last Next version of NVDA and a low power PC and I haven't that delay...



Have you deleted your NVDA configurations folder to start from scratch?



Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Mohit Singla

Data: 13 de julho de 2017 22:14

Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



I have tried using narrator and it works fine and is very responsive. I
have

also uninstalled NVDA and run it from a portable copy but the problem

remains.







Mohit Singla

M: +91 9811211507



On 14-Jul-2017, at 2:23 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
For curiosity's sake, does this happen with Narrator?
Here's a possible fix:
1. Search for sound in the start menu and launch the Sound control
panel.
2. In the list, find your default playback device and press space.
3. Find the Enhancements tab, and check Disable all enhancements.
4. Press OK to close the properties dialog, and OK to close the Sound
control panel.
On 7/13/2017 1:37 PM, Mohit Singla wrote:
Hi,
I am having the same problem and I have detailed it in another thread.
I
am using Microsoft SAPPI 5 and have tried it on espeak and vocalizer as
well. I have tried removing all Addons and also got rid of the windows
app essentials.
My problem starts right from installation.
Thanks in advance and let me know if I should follow this tread or the
one I created.
Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507
On 14-Jul-2017, at 1:34 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Do you have any add-ons installed? If so, restart NVDA in safe mode
i.e. add-ons disabled.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Graham Armfield
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:36 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable
Dear All,
A couple of weeks ago my laptop updated to Win 10 Creators update.
Since then I've noticed that NVDA 2017.2 seems to have become very
slow to respond to all keystrokes - approx 1 second delay each time. I
tried reinstalling NVDA but that didn't seem to help.
Additionally after another Windows update this week, it's become very
stuttery and the delay has got much worse. It's now almost impossible
to use.
Has anyone else experienced this? And/or does anyone have any ideas
about where to start to try to rectify the situation? Drivers,
conflicting software, etc? I know that one approach would be to
attempt to roll back to before Creators but that feels like the
nuclear option.
Thanks
Graham Armfield




















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Re: Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is a bit naughty, to turn on some new gizmo without telling anybody.
The question has to be, what exactly is this feature there for and how can it be of use when it is so resource hungry.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mohit Singla" <bookscoffeeme@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable


Thanks guys I have been able to fix it. Tyler's suggestion to disable enhancements worked and now NVDA is extremely snappy and well responding.

Here is what I did:
In control Panel go to sounds and then the Playback devices tab
Open Properties of Playback devices and go to the Enhancements tab.
Under Enhancements Check the box Disable all sound effects
Press Ok and Ok again on the Properties Tab
You will see the effect immediately.

Thanks a lot for suggesting the solution.

Cheers
Mohit



Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507

On 14-Jul-2017, at 4:22 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Yes, it seems this today update turned the PC a little faster...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: David Moore
Data: 13 de julho de 2017 23:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



Hi,

I am using latest Creators build of win10 and the latest NVDA snapshot, and my computers are more snappy then ever. I just wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable





That is strange!

I am using the last iteration of Windows Creator, last updated one hour ago,

last Next version of NVDA and a low power PC and I haven't that delay...



Have you deleted your NVDA configurations folder to start from scratch?



Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Mohit Singla

Data: 13 de julho de 2017 22:14

Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



I have tried using narrator and it works fine and is very responsive. I have

also uninstalled NVDA and run it from a portable copy but the problem

remains.







Mohit Singla

M: +91 9811211507



On 14-Jul-2017, at 2:23 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
For curiosity's sake, does this happen with Narrator?
Here's a possible fix:
1. Search for sound in the start menu and launch the Sound control panel.
2. In the list, find your default playback device and press space.
3. Find the Enhancements tab, and check Disable all enhancements.
4. Press OK to close the properties dialog, and OK to close the Sound
control panel.
On 7/13/2017 1:37 PM, Mohit Singla wrote:
Hi,
I am having the same problem and I have detailed it in another thread. I
am using Microsoft SAPPI 5 and have tried it on espeak and vocalizer as
well. I have tried removing all Addons and also got rid of the windows
app essentials.
My problem starts right from installation.
Thanks in advance and let me know if I should follow this tread or the
one I created.
Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507
On 14-Jul-2017, at 1:34 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Do you have any add-ons installed? If so, restart NVDA in safe mode
i.e. add-ons disabled.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Graham Armfield
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:36 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable
Dear All,
A couple of weeks ago my laptop updated to Win 10 Creators update.
Since then I've noticed that NVDA 2017.2 seems to have become very
slow to respond to all keystrokes - approx 1 second delay each time. I
tried reinstalling NVDA but that didn't seem to help.
Additionally after another Windows update this week, it's become very
stuttery and the delay has got much worse. It's now almost impossible
to use.
Has anyone else experienced this? And/or does anyone have any ideas
about where to start to try to rectify the situation? Drivers,
conflicting software, etc? I know that one approach would be to
attempt to roll back to before Creators but that feels like the
nuclear option.
Thanks
Graham Armfield


















Query about broadcasting on YouTube

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I had a query from someone today asking if they do a live broadcast on YouTube, can they read and reply or block or delete etc to comments viewers make on the broadcast while they are still broadcasting?

Has anyone does this and able to give some pointers please?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What does Narrator work like delay wise?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:36 PM
Subject: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable


Dear All,

A couple of weeks ago my laptop updated to Win 10 Creators update. Since then I've noticed that NVDA 2017.2 seems to have become very slow to respond to all keystrokes - approx 1 second delay each time. I tried reinstalling NVDA but that didn't seem to help.

Additionally after another Windows update this week, it's become very stuttery and the delay has got much worse. It's now almost impossible to use.

Has anyone else experienced this? And/or does anyone have any ideas about where to start to try to rectify the situation? Drivers, conflicting software, etc? I know that one approach would be to attempt to roll back to before Creators but that feels like the nuclear option.

Thanks
Graham Armfield


Re: free youtube down loader

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Opencandy can be controlled though, its only an issue if you do not spot it at install time.
I don't think its meant to be a pain but tends to be to us as some of the installers don't work correctly with screenreaders.
Brian

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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] free youtube down loader


If you mean youtube dl it doesn't I have it and the youtube dl-g and it works.

For youtube to mp3 or other dvdvideosoft software thats full of opencandy and other malware.




On 14/07/2017 6:02 a.m., Bobby wrote:
Hay I listened to the pod cast on the free youtube down loader. I was wondering if the program installs any malware or add ware. Pleese let me know before I install it.





Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

All I can suggest for now is check what the processor idle speed and all that power saving stuff is set to. It does seem that Windows is not good at realising that the nvda screenreader needs resources when you do things. It was particularly noticable when using windows explorer, often resulting in the wrong file being highlighted.

If its not that then I really do not know what else there is. What does Narrator perform like?
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From: "Mohit Singla" <bookscoffeeme@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2


Hi all,



I have bought a new Lenovo laptop model Ideapad 510s 80UV003MIH which came
with Windows 10 Home pre loaded. I have upgraded the same to creators
update and I am running NVDA 2017.2.



I am facing a major speech delay with NVDA. I have updated all drivers and
have removed all non essential utilities from the machine. When I install
NVDA the installation hangs till I Alt+Tab to another window and then it
completes. The sound of the progress bar during installation is also weird.



The average speech delay is 1.5 seconds per keystroke and it adds up if I
am typing a long sentence. I have tried using eSpeak and SAPPI and various
voices but the problem persists.



I think it is a driver clash but I cannot figure it out. I will be very
grateful to anyone who can help me with this.



Cheers

Mohit


Re: How can I tell if my computer has the Creaters update?

 

you can find informations about your system i think in this pc property.
for me who use xp, i press alt+enter on my computer and see these
informations using screen review.

On 7/14/17, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
That might have something to do with the quick navigation keys not working.
Or it could be because a Microsoft update
turned on an accessibility feature that is interfering with NVDA.

Thanks,
John

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Re: Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable

 

i am very glad that your problem is resolved.
and whats the solution for windows xp users?
i appreciate any help.

On 7/14/17, Mohit Singla <bookscoffeeme@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys I have been able to fix it. Tyler's suggestion to disable
enhancements worked and now NVDA is extremely snappy and well responding.

Here is what I did:
In control Panel go to sounds and then the Playback devices tab
Open Properties of Playback devices and go to the Enhancements tab.
Under Enhancements Check the box Disable all sound effects
Press Ok and Ok again on the Properties Tab
You will see the effect immediately.

Thanks a lot for suggesting the solution.

Cheers
Mohit



Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507

On 14-Jul-2017, at 4:22 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
wrote:

Yes, it seems this today update turned the PC a little faster...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: David Moore
Data: 13 de julho de 2017 23:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



Hi,

I am using latest Creators build of win10 and the latest NVDA snapshot,
and my computers are more snappy then ever. I just wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable





That is strange!

I am using the last iteration of Windows Creator, last updated one hour
ago,

last Next version of NVDA and a low power PC and I haven't that delay...



Have you deleted your NVDA configurations folder to start from scratch?



Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Mohit Singla

Data: 13 de julho de 2017 22:14

Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



I have tried using narrator and it works fine and is very responsive. I
have

also uninstalled NVDA and run it from a portable copy but the problem

remains.







Mohit Singla

M: +91 9811211507



On 14-Jul-2017, at 2:23 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
For curiosity's sake, does this happen with Narrator?
Here's a possible fix:
1. Search for sound in the start menu and launch the Sound control
panel.
2. In the list, find your default playback device and press space.
3. Find the Enhancements tab, and check Disable all enhancements.
4. Press OK to close the properties dialog, and OK to close the Sound
control panel.
On 7/13/2017 1:37 PM, Mohit Singla wrote:
Hi,
I am having the same problem and I have detailed it in another thread.
I
am using Microsoft SAPPI 5 and have tried it on espeak and vocalizer as
well. I have tried removing all Addons and also got rid of the windows
app essentials.
My problem starts right from installation.
Thanks in advance and let me know if I should follow this tread or the
one I created.
Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507
On 14-Jul-2017, at 1:34 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Do you have any add-ons installed? If so, restart NVDA in safe mode
i.e. add-ons disabled.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Graham Armfield
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:36 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable
Dear All,
A couple of weeks ago my laptop updated to Win 10 Creators update.
Since then I've noticed that NVDA 2017.2 seems to have become very
slow to respond to all keystrokes - approx 1 second delay each time. I
tried reinstalling NVDA but that didn't seem to help.
Additionally after another Windows update this week, it's become very
stuttery and the delay has got much worse. It's now almost impossible
to use.
Has anyone else experienced this? And/or does anyone have any ideas
about where to start to try to rectify the situation? Drivers,
conflicting software, etc? I know that one approach would be to
attempt to roll back to before Creators but that feels like the
nuclear option.
Thanks
Graham Armfield



















--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable

Mohit Singla
 

Thanks guys I have been able to fix it. Tyler's suggestion to disable enhancements worked and now NVDA is extremely snappy and well responding.

Here is what I did:
In control Panel go to sounds and then the Playback devices tab
Open Properties of Playback devices and go to the Enhancements tab.
Under Enhancements Check the box Disable all sound effects
Press Ok and Ok again on the Properties Tab
You will see the effect immediately.

Thanks a lot for suggesting the solution.

Cheers
Mohit



Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507

On 14-Jul-2017, at 4:22 AM, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:

Yes, it seems this today update turned the PC a little faster...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: David Moore
Data: 13 de julho de 2017 23:47
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



Hi,

I am using latest Creators build of win10 and the latest NVDA snapshot, and my computers are more snappy then ever. I just wanted you to know.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable





That is strange!

I am using the last iteration of Windows Creator, last updated one hour ago,

last Next version of NVDA and a low power PC and I haven't that delay...



Have you deleted your NVDA configurations folder to start from scratch?



Rui



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Mohit Singla

Data: 13 de julho de 2017 22:14

Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Assunto: Re: [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable



I have tried using narrator and it works fine and is very responsive. I have

also uninstalled NVDA and run it from a portable copy but the problem

remains.







Mohit Singla

M: +91 9811211507



On 14-Jul-2017, at 2:23 AM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@pcdesk.net> wrote:
For curiosity's sake, does this happen with Narrator?
Here's a possible fix:
1. Search for sound in the start menu and launch the Sound control panel.
2. In the list, find your default playback device and press space.
3. Find the Enhancements tab, and check Disable all enhancements.
4. Press OK to close the properties dialog, and OK to close the Sound
control panel.
On 7/13/2017 1:37 PM, Mohit Singla wrote:
Hi,
I am having the same problem and I have detailed it in another thread. I
am using Microsoft SAPPI 5 and have tried it on espeak and vocalizer as
well. I have tried removing all Addons and also got rid of the windows
app essentials.
My problem starts right from installation.
Thanks in advance and let me know if I should follow this tread or the
one I created.
Mohit Singla
M: +91 9811211507
On 14-Jul-2017, at 1:34 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
Do you have any add-ons installed? If so, restart NVDA in safe mode
i.e. add-ons disabled.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Graham Armfield
*Sent:* Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:36 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Win 10 Creators update makes NVDA almost unusable
Dear All,
A couple of weeks ago my laptop updated to Win 10 Creators update.
Since then I've noticed that NVDA 2017.2 seems to have become very
slow to respond to all keystrokes - approx 1 second delay each time. I
tried reinstalling NVDA but that didn't seem to help.
Additionally after another Windows update this week, it's become very
stuttery and the delay has got much worse. It's now almost impossible
to use.
Has anyone else experienced this? And/or does anyone have any ideas
about where to start to try to rectify the situation? Drivers,
conflicting software, etc? I know that one approach would be to
attempt to roll back to before Creators but that feels like the
nuclear option.
Thanks
Graham Armfield


















How can I tell if my computer has the Creaters update?

John J. Boyer
 

That might have something to do with the quick navigation keys not working. Or it could be because a Microsoft update
turned on an accessibility feature that is interfering with NVDA.

Thanks,
John

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Re: Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

Mohit Singla
 

Yes it happens everywhere. Narrator works fine. So it is a NVDA related issue.

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: 14 July 2017 04:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech delay in NVDA 2017.2

 

Does it happen everywhere?  ie, if you open notepad and type, or if you are navigating around the NVDA menu?

 

Also, being a new machine, could it be downloading Windows updates?  Windows 10 is not particularly friendly about sharing resources when it sees an update it wants to download and that can cause slow downs.

 

On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 5:38 AM, Graham Armfield <graham.armfield@...> wrote:

I too am experiencing this. Coincidentally have just raised another thread on it - so apologies for duplication.



 

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Speech Delay in NVDA 2017.2

Mohit Singla
 

Hi all,

 

I have bought a new Lenovo laptop model Ideapad 510s 80UV003MIH which came with Windows 10 Home pre loaded. I have upgraded the same to creators update and I am running NVDA 2017.2.

 

I am facing a major speech delay with NVDA. I have updated all drivers and have removed all non essential utilities from the machine. When I install NVDA the installation hangs till I Alt+Tab to another window and then it completes. The sound of the progress bar during installation is also weird.

 

The average speech delay is 1.5 seconds per keystroke and it adds up if I am typing a long sentence. I have tried using eSpeak and SAPPI and various voices but the problem persists.

 

I think it is a driver clash but I cannot figure it out. I will be very grateful to anyone who can help me with this.

 

Cheers

Mohit

 

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