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Re: Google Drive new version mystery

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Its the crashing all the time that annoyed me mostly.
The rest is only important if you intend using it as a back up program to the cloud.
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From: "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery


As always, accessibility comes last, if it does. All I can do i wait, maybe in a few weeks there'll be a new version.


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

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I get that problem as well. So far three machines downdated, two more to go. Buth playing silly wotsits at present with old version won't run messages. Need to do a massive purge to stop it seeing newer versions inside machine, obviously.
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From: "Vlad Dragomir" <vladdragomir1983@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery


Oh so sorry for the typos, I sent it too quickly and didn't check the spelling, what a shame!


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

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Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic xp installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on core duo laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me that there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care too much as they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk, the only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because they are the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I suspect this is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm going to scrap mine as long as they keep going, and those people I know with xp are not using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried 10 it is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it cannot really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the functionality of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible with installed versions.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't work on
Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil package
that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it was
decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think this
is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other add-ons as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases
to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will
require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393) and
later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows 10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier than
Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due to
support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall
that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I will
not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year
after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next LTS
series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from Windows
XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS series, or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say, five
people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later with
GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they will
stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista. But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end game for
Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

100 percent disagree. screen readers are more than just screen readers these days. They replace a display for one thing, and if they were just screen readers, then we wouldn't have issues with screen readers saying things that aren't actually there (something I've complained about especially with apple for years). If they were just screen readers, then they would read what is on the screen, and nothing else. They wouldn't attempt to interpret what is read, to say street or saint (in context), they would simply say s t and continue. Neither would they give the option of saying 1 hundred and twenty three or 1 2 3, No folks, screen readers topped being just screen readers a long time ago, and as such, things like your screen reader stopping (or not) when the system goes to sleep even though the screen reader is still active are most definitely a bug. Now, whether it's an os bug or a screen reader bug is certainly open for debate, but nonetheless, it's still a bug, and I for one would definitely like to see it fixed, on IOS, OSX, and in windows as well.

On 7/16/2017 11:27 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It's not a bug, because a screen reader is what it is, a screen
reader. If a screen saver is active, then a sighted user would not be
able to tell what's on screen either. Notice that say all stops when
the screen saver is active.

It's more of an enhancement.

On 7/16/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Nope, still consider it a bug. There are routines one can call to tell
the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et
al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating
system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen
reader. The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something
(after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader is
responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to
sleep. Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.



On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
It's not a bug. Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from
coming up because no keys are being depressed. Manufacturers have
said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a
screen-reader.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@softcon.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen
reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing
something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person.

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me
for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does
stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've
heard about the issue. People should set the screen saver setting to
none. This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws
users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com
<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have a
short sleep timer or screen dimmer.

For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I
am on
the road.




On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
off on a computer, I have to say.
It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
with modern displays?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


hello every one.
i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people told
nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
i found the solution!
i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still
persists
unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

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Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Andre Fisher
 

It's not a bug, because a screen reader is what it is, a screen
reader. If a screen saver is active, then a sighted user would not be
able to tell what's on screen either. Notice that say all stops when
the screen saver is active.

It's more of an enhancement.

On 7/16/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Nope, still consider it a bug. There are routines one can call to tell
the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et
al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating
system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen
reader. The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something
(after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader is
responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to
sleep. Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.



On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
It's not a bug. Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from
coming up because no keys are being depressed. Manufacturers have
said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a
screen-reader.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@softcon.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen
reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing
something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person.

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me
for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does
stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've
heard about the issue. People should set the screen saver setting to
none. This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws
users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com
<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:
Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have a
short sleep timer or screen dimmer.

For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I
am on
the road.




On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
off on a computer, I have to say.
It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
with modern displays?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


hello every one.
i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people told
nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
i found the solution!
i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still
persists
unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!









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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


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Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Nope, still consider it a bug.  There are routines one can call to tell the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen reader.  The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something (after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader is responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to sleep.  Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.



On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
It's not a bug.  Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from coming up because no keys are being depressed.  Manufacturers have said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a screen-reader. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person. 

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've heard about the issue.  People should set the screen saver setting to none.  This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have a
> short sleep timer or screen dimmer.
>
> For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I am on
> the road.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
>> off on a computer, I have to say.
>> It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
>> not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
>> short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
>> with modern displays?
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
>> them after minutes in browsers and says unknown
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people told
>>> nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
>>> i found the solution!
>>> i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
>>> versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
>>> just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
>>> screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still persists
>>> unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
>>> did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
>>> i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org




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Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn’t work on Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil package that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it was decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think this is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other add-ons as well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.

 

Thus:

 

  • Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31, 2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows Server 2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393) and later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows 10 controls and events.
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier than Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due to support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
  • StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall that’ll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I will not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next LTS series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled for 2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from Windows XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS series, or upgrade to at least Windows 7.
  • GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say, five people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later with GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
  • ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.

 

As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they will stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista. But once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that’s when the end game for Windows XP support will begin.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Tip of the day add-on!!!

Arun Gaalla
 

                I really like this add-on but how do I switch from a beginner to an intermediate user and then later to an advance user. Thanks in advance….

 

Arun

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDA!!!

 

Hi and welcome

Yes it can be done.  Press Nvda+n to open the nvda menu, then press p to open preferences followed by p again to open the Punctuation and Symbol Pronunciation dialog.  Note bang appears twice in the list, as a sentence ending and as a symbol.  Tick appears twice as well, as left tick and right tick.  Down arrow and When you get to an entry you want to change, press tab once to enter the replacement field and enter the word you would like to be spoken instead.  Tab to the OK button and press enter.  Repeat for all changes

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arun Gaalla
Sent: 14 July 2017 23:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDA!!!

 

                Hey guys NVDA announces the exclamation point as bang and also it announces an apostrophe as a tick. Can this be changed and how can it be done. Thanks….

 

Arun


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

 

Hi,
End of XP support will be spring 2018 from Resource Monitor add-on.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Remove XP support. It was marked EOL way back in 2014. People have had more than enough time to transition.

Bill

On Jul 16, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor: as part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer psutil versions aren’t compatible with it. The last version of psutil and Resource monitor that’s compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08, respectively.

Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version 16.08 or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you’ll lose uptime announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes introduced in 17.02).

There are several ways of resolving this:

• Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may introduce compatibility problems.
• Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some add-on features aren’t compatible.
• Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who rely on XP.

Cheers,
Joseph


Re: knfb and NVDA

Jason White
 

I agree that Seeing AI is impressive. A colleague at work and I have been testing it. I predict we'll see steady improvements in image recognition based on ongoing advances in artificial neural netowrks (i.e., deep learning). Seeing AI is also reputedly available in several countries already, not just the U.S.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Pipczak
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA

Hi,

I also have KNFB, try Prizmo Go, It's free if you don't want to save files and only a few dollars if you do. It has some advantages over KNFB and is one heck of an app.
If you're in the states, try Seeing Ai from Microsoft It will be released for other country's soon. This app may well be the future. It's impressive and a bit of a WOW app.

Thanks,
Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, 15 July 2017 5:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA

I fully agree. KNFBReader is the best and fastest on a smartphone, at least for me on my iPhone. I'm also using finereader on my PC, but I'm using an older version and it works fine with Win10, but is only 30$ on Amazon. No need to pay 100 bucks for the most recent version.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Freitag, 14. Juli 2017 19:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA

I have the iOS version also. My comments about it would be exactly the same as what I said about the Windows app. Character recognition is good and fast, but it is not usable for material where layout is important.
For a quick and dirty it is fine or if layout is not important. I would not recommend it for scanning books that you want to keep. I use Abbyy FineReader on my desktop for that.

I think the app is way over-priced at its full price of around $100. I only bought it at its much reduced price and knowing what I know now, I certainly would not pay more than that. If you have $100 to spend, get FineReader; it does a far superior job for the same money and is perfectly accessible.

On the Smartphone KNFB is probably the best option, but I think it, too, is over-priced given its limitations.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/07/14 5:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
How does it match to the same software on a smart phone. I have lots
of friends that tell me its wonderful.
Maybe its a problem when using a scanner instead of a camera?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk"
<christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA


Hello

I have KNFB which I use with a flatbed HP scanner.

Character recognition is good and fast, but one thing about the app
that really disappointed me, is that it does not retain the layout of
the text you scan; It simply dumps everything in one continuous
paragraph. So, if you want it to scan books that you would like to
keep, or if the layout is important, then I think you will waste your
money. I can only hope that this is an area that will receive some
attention in a future release. In its present form it is really only
good for a quick and dirty.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2017/07/12 12:14 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi

I would buy knfb, but what is a good document camera to use with
knfb reader? scanners are big and bulky and a camera would be faster
for scanning books and stuff. I also have knfb on my android phone.

and does it work good with NVDA?






Re: Google Drive new version mystery

Vlad Dragomir
 

Oh so sorry for the typos, I sent it too quickly and didn't check the spelling, what a shame!


Re: knfb and NVDA

Jim Pipczak
 

Hi,

I also have KNFB, try Prizmo Go, It's free if you don't want to save files and only a few dollars if you do. It has some advantages over KNFB and is one heck of an app.
If you're in the states, try Seeing Ai from Microsoft It will be released for other country's soon. This app may well be the future. It's impressive and a bit of a WOW app.

Thanks,
Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, 15 July 2017 5:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA

I fully agree. KNFBReader is the best and fastest on a smartphone, at least for me on my iPhone. I'm also using finereader on my PC, but I'm using an older version and it works fine with Win10, but is only 30$ on Amazon. No need to pay 100 bucks for the most recent version.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Freitag, 14. Juli 2017 19:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA

I have the iOS version also. My comments about it would be exactly the same as what I said about the Windows app. Character recognition is good and fast, but it is not usable for material where layout is important.
For a quick and dirty it is fine or if layout is not important. I would not recommend it for scanning books that you want to keep. I use Abbyy FineReader on my desktop for that.

I think the app is way over-priced at its full price of around $100. I only bought it at its much reduced price and knowing what I know now, I certainly would not pay more than that. If you have $100 to spend, get FineReader; it does a far superior job for the same money and is perfectly accessible.

On the Smartphone KNFB is probably the best option, but I think it, too, is over-priced given its limitations.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2017/07/14 5:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
How does it match to the same software on a smart phone. I have lots
of friends that tell me its wonderful.
Maybe its a problem when using a scanner instead of a camera?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Christo de Klerk"
<christodeklerk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] knfb and NVDA


Hello

I have KNFB which I use with a flatbed HP scanner.

Character recognition is good and fast, but one thing about the app
that really disappointed me, is that it does not retain the layout of
the text you scan; It simply dumps everything in one continuous
paragraph. So, if you want it to scan books that you would like to
keep, or if the layout is important, then I think you will waste your
money. I can only hope that this is an area that will receive some
attention in a future release. In its present form it is really only
good for a quick and dirty.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2017/07/12 12:14 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi

I would buy knfb, but what is a good document camera to use with
knfb reader? scanners are big and bulky and a camera would be faster
for scanning books and stuff. I also have knfb on my android phone.

and does it work good with NVDA?






Re: Google Drive new version mystery

Vlad Dragomir
 

As always, accessibility comes last, if it does. All I can do i wait, maybe in a few weeks there'll be a new version.


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Bill Dengler
 

Remove XP support. It was marked EOL way back in 2014. People have had more than enough time to transition.

Bill

On Jul 16, 2017, at 8:26 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor: as part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer psutil versions aren’t compatible with it. The last version of psutil and Resource monitor that’s compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08, respectively.

Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version 16.08 or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you’ll lose uptime announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes introduced in 17.02).

There are several ways of resolving this:

• Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may introduce compatibility problems.
• Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some add-on features aren’t compatible.
• Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who rely on XP.

Cheers,
Joseph


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

Gene
 

If it is not accessible now, that doesn't mean it won't be.  Others may be able to tell you how to get information on whether and how long it may be before accessibility is introduced.  You can probably have your money returned, if desired assuming accessibility will take long enough for the app not to be of value to a blind user for more than just a short time from now.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vlad Dragomir
Sent: July-16-17 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery

Hello all,
The concept seems great, but unfortunately this app is totally not accessible, at least in my case. I couldn't even install it to the end, since all dialogues weren't read by any of my two screenreaders. And when I think that only two months ago I bought a one-year subscription to Google Drive. How disappointing! I'll now have to look for another backup solution.

Vlad.







Re: Google Drive new version mystery

Arlene
 

Oh that sucks! They change it on you. You pay good money to use that app. Now you can't use it! What a rip!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vlad Dragomir
Sent: July-16-17 1:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery

Hello all,
The concept seems great, but unfortunately this app is totally not accessible, at least in my case. I couldn't even install it to the end, since all dialogues weren't read by any of my two screenreaders. And when I think that only two months ago I bought a one-year subscription to Google Drive. How disappointing! I'll now have to look for another backup solution.

Vlad.


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

Vlad Dragomir
 

Hello all,
The concept seems great, but unfortunately this app is totally not accessible, at least in my case. I couldn't even install it to the end, since all dialogues weren't read by any of my two screenreaders. And when I think that only two months ago I bought a one-year subscription to Google Drive. How disappointing! I'll now have to look for another backup solution.

Vlad.


Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Gene
 

I don't know the answer to that question.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> It's not a bug.  Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from coming up because no keys are being depressed.

There are some apps which will keep the computer from going into screensaver mode or standby mode while that particular app is being used, even if no mouse or keyboard activity is occurring. Why could not this be done with screen readers?




Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Rob
 

Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It's not a bug. Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from coming up because no keys are being depressed.
There are some apps which will keep the computer from going into screensaver mode or standby mode while that particular app is being used, even if no mouse or keyboard activity is occurring. Why could not this be done with screen readers?


Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Gene
 

It's not a bug.  Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from coming up because no keys are being depressed.  Manufacturers have said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a screen-reader. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person. 

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've heard about the issue.  People should set the screen saver setting to none.  This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have a
> short sleep timer or screen dimmer.
>
> For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I am on
> the road.
>
>
>
>
> On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
>> off on a computer, I have to say.
>> It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
>> not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
>> short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
>> with modern displays?
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
>> Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
>> them after minutes in browsers and says unknown
>>
>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people told
>>> nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
>>> i found the solution!
>>> i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
>>> versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
>>> just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
>>> screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still persists
>>> unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
>>> did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
>>> i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




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