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Re: Tip of the day add-on!!!

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Arun


there are 2 parts to this program.


one part is under thein if you do the following.

Press the nvda key + letter N, then arrow up once i think it is and there is one there and if you press the enter key on it the tip of the day will come up.


the other place unless you have found it also is use the nvda key + letter N, arrow to preferences then right to general settings then down to the tip of the day then press the enter key. There it will give you the options there for the 3 levels as you want. Pick one then the next time you get a tip it will be on the next level. make sure you ok it so the settings will be saved or use the nvda key + ctrl key + letter C.


hope this helps.


Gene nz



On 7/17/2017 1:19 PM, Arun Gaalla wrote:

                I really like this add-on but how do I switch from a beginner to an intermediate user and then later to an advance user. Thanks in advance….

 

Arun

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New to NVDA!!!

 

Hi and welcome

Yes it can be done.  Press Nvda+n to open the nvda menu, then press p to open preferences followed by p again to open the Punctuation and Symbol Pronunciation dialog.  Note bang appears twice in the list, as a sentence ending and as a symbol.  Tick appears twice as well, as left tick and right tick.  Down arrow and When you get to an entry you want to change, press tab once to enter the replacement field and enter the word you would like to be spoken instead.  Tab to the OK button and press enter.  Repeat for all changes

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arun Gaalla
Sent: 14 July 2017 23:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New to NVDA!!!

 

                Hey guys NVDA announces the exclamation point as bang and also it announces an apostrophe as a tick. Can this be changed and how can it be done. Thanks….

 

Arun


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Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

 

Hi,
Simple answer: we need to make choices in our lives, and some choices involve letting go of things we were used to doing. Some decisions are personal, while others, like the one made below, have huge impact. For huge decisions, a decision without justifications are no decisions, and for this one, it has justifications.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 5:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

thanks so much for your technical sentences.
but i realy could not understand such technical and complex informations related to the programming!
could you please explane for me in simple way?

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it but....
I'm not convinced.
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility:
Resource

Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others
and old Windows releases


i wish that if you use python 3 for compiling nvda, use version 3.4 to
support xp without problem.
it has two advantages.
first, you can benefit simplicity and new features of python3 and
second, your xp users can use there operating system without any
worried!

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<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to
realistic xp installations though? I suspect not much as many are
running on core duo laptops or older single core desktops like most
of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me
that there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really
care too much

as

they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS
folk, the only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is
because they are the only ones that support medical hardware at
present, and I suspect this is probably the case elsewhere. However
I don't think I'm going to scrap mine as long as they keep going,
and those people I know with xp are not using them in critical task
areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having
tried 10

it

is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it
cannot really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of
the functionality

of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only
accessible with installed versions.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility:
Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures
and others and old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't
work on Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer
psutil package that dropped support for XP. After gathering
feedback from users, it was decided to part ways with Windows XP
sooner than later. Also, I think this is a good opportunity to
announce compatibility notices for other add-ons

as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate.
Windows Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last
releases to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10
and later will require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version
1607 (build 14393) and later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in
regards to certain Windows
10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows
earlier than Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will
be required due to support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the
fall that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier
than 5.10. I will not remove support for Windows XP from this
add-on until up to one year after Studio itself stops supporting XP
or when support for the next LTS series ends, whichever happens
earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from
Windows XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the
next LTS series,

or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than
say, five people). Once this happens, the add-on will require
Windows 7 and later with GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they
will stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows
Vista.
But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end
game for Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

 

Hello. I didn't update to the latest version of Google Drive. I'm thinking to do, but I want to know if an accessibility issue that I have has been fixed. In Google Drive for Windows, I can't accept an invitation at a folder. Even if this action must be made via web, I can't find the button for it. So, was it fixed?
Cheers,
Florian


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

 

i also like simple programs, with most compatibility and less bug
useful and simple to use and learn for all people.

On 7/17/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
If you write a program to be compatible with all operating systems and all
versions, then you will automatically end up with the fewest and most basic

possible features, because anything more complex which is not supported by
at
least one version of one operating system has to be left out.

As time goes by, you will have to remove more and more features from your
program, as newer versions of operating systems stop supporting old
libraries
etc.

So yes, you can write a program which works on anything from Windows 95 to
Windows 10, but it'll look pretty disappointing compared to what someone
else
can write to run only on Windows 7 and above (for example).


Antony.

On Monday 17 July 2017 at 13:51:01, nasrin khaksar wrote:

joseph and brian.
i agree with your first sentence.
nvda is a very great to continued support xp.
but i know some programs that even support win 95 and 98 until windows
ten.
and if i were programmer, follow the rool that my program be
compatible with all operating systems and all versions.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
I think, unless you have been hiding under a rock for about five years
or
so, thus far nvda has been one of the best pieces of software for
continuing

support of XP. Also of course there is no reason why you cannot
continue
to

use the older versions of add ons in the code unless it breaks due to
an
nvda addition or change.

Also, being open source if there are enough people who want to still
run

xp, there is nothing stopping you from getting somebody who can program
to write a bespoke add on to do what you want.
If you want proof of the fact that xp can now only really be used
because
nothing else will run on the hardware, look at.

Firefox. Last version 48 on AMD processors 52 on Intel

Ccleaner 5.2 on Amd Processors but still runs newer version on Pentiums

Java, no bug fixes or updates

Adobe Digital Edition will not run on xp
Flash really buggy and seems not to work

Adobe reader, only 11 will run and no bug fixes either.

Windows updates no longer work unless you force the machine to download
the

file manually as with the recent hostage ware patch that came through.

Most updates for office do not seem to run well in xp.

Although it is still true to say that all current windows O/ss can
trace
their origins back to Windows NT the basic kernal and its associated
routines have been so much modified since that it would be a real
nightmare

to make much of it work.

So we have to put up with older software. At the moment msse still
runs,

but I'd imagine that won't be for a great deal longer as even the
embedded version in cash machines and point of sale terminals are now
being phased out, for good security reasons.

Thus the hack for the windows updates will not bring you anything but
a

slow computer while it looks in vain for updates!

Its had a good innings and yes its still usable with provisos as said

above. I tried to write this not in the lingo of the programmer as
Josephs was a bit, and hope it helps.

Now whether you support things going out of date is a discussion for a

philosophical list not this one!

Now where is my hippy caftan.

Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource
Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

please readd support for xp users who need it.
thanks and God bless you.

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<bglists@...> wrote:
One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with
no sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up
on this
one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource
Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource
Monitor:
as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This
is causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as
newer
psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and
Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08,
respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use
version
16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose
uptime announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status
command (fixes introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that
some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those
who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph
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al-islam.org


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Antony Stone
 

If you write a program to be compatible with all operating systems and all
versions, then you will automatically end up with the fewest and most basic
possible features, because anything more complex which is not supported by at
least one version of one operating system has to be left out.

As time goes by, you will have to remove more and more features from your
program, as newer versions of operating systems stop supporting old libraries
etc.

So yes, you can write a program which works on anything from Windows 95 to
Windows 10, but it'll look pretty disappointing compared to what someone else
can write to run only on Windows 7 and above (for example).


Antony.

On Monday 17 July 2017 at 13:51:01, nasrin khaksar wrote:

joseph and brian.
i agree with your first sentence.
nvda is a very great to continued support xp.
but i know some programs that even support win 95 and 98 until windows ten.
and if i were programmer, follow the rool that my program be
compatible with all operating systems and all versions.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
I think, unless you have been hiding under a rock for about five years or
so, thus far nvda has been one of the best pieces of software for
continuing

support of XP. Also of course there is no reason why you cannot continue
to

use the older versions of add ons in the code unless it breaks due to an
nvda addition or change.

Also, being open source if there are enough people who want to still run

xp, there is nothing stopping you from getting somebody who can program
to write a bespoke add on to do what you want.
If you want proof of the fact that xp can now only really be used because
nothing else will run on the hardware, look at.

Firefox. Last version 48 on AMD processors 52 on Intel

Ccleaner 5.2 on Amd Processors but still runs newer version on Pentiums

Java, no bug fixes or updates

Adobe Digital Edition will not run on xp
Flash really buggy and seems not to work

Adobe reader, only 11 will run and no bug fixes either.

Windows updates no longer work unless you force the machine to download
the

file manually as with the recent hostage ware patch that came through.

Most updates for office do not seem to run well in xp.

Although it is still true to say that all current windows O/ss can trace
their origins back to Windows NT the basic kernal and its associated
routines have been so much modified since that it would be a real
nightmare

to make much of it work.

So we have to put up with older software. At the moment msse still runs,

but I'd imagine that won't be for a great deal longer as even the
embedded version in cash machines and point of sale terminals are now
being phased out, for good security reasons.

Thus the hack for the windows updates will not bring you anything but a

slow computer while it looks in vain for updates!

Its had a good innings and yes its still usable with provisos as said

above. I tried to write this not in the lingo of the programmer as
Josephs was a bit, and hope it helps.

Now whether you support things going out of date is a discussion for a

philosophical list not this one!

Now where is my hippy caftan.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource
Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

please readd support for xp users who need it.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with
no sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up
on this
one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor:
as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This
is causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer
psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and
Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08,
respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version
16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose
uptime announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status
command (fixes introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

 

joseph and brian.
i agree with your first sentence.
nvda is a very great to continued support xp.
but i know some programs that even support win 95 and 98 until windows ten.
and if i were programmer, follow the rool that my program be
compatible with all operating systems and all versions.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I think, unless you have been hiding under a rock for about five years or
so, thus far nvda has been one of the best pieces of software for continuing

support of XP. Also of course there is no reason why you cannot continue to

use the older versions of add ons in the code unless it breaks due to an
nvda addition or change.
Also, being open source if there are enough people who want to still run
xp, there is nothing stopping you from getting somebody who can program to
write a bespoke add on to do what you want.
If you want proof of the fact that xp can now only really be used because
nothing else will run on the hardware, look at.
Firefox. Last version 48 on AMD processors 52 on Intel
Ccleaner 5.2 on Amd Processors but still runs newer version on Pentiums
Java, no bug fixes or updates
Adobe Digital Edition will not run on xp
Flash really buggy and seems not to work

Adobe reader, only 11 will run and no bug fixes either.

Windows updates no longer work unless you force the machine to download the

file manually as with the recent hostage ware patch that came through.
Most updates for office do not seem to run well in xp.

Although it is still true to say that all current windows O/ss can trace
their origins back to Windows NT the basic kernal and its associated
routines have been so much modified since that it would be a real nightmare

to make much of it work.
So we have to put up with older software. At the moment msse still runs,
but I'd imagine that won't be for a great deal longer as even the embedded
version in cash machines and point of sale terminals are now being phased
out, for good security reasons.
Thus the hack for the windows updates will not bring you anything but a
slow computer while it looks in vain for updates!
Its had a good innings and yes its still usable with provisos as said
above. I tried to write this not in the lingo of the programmer as Josephs
was a bit, and hope it helps.
Now whether you support things going out of date is a discussion for a
philosophical list not this one!

Now where is my hippy caftan.
Brian

bglists@...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


please readd support for xp users who need it.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with no
sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up on
this
one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor:
as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is
causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer
psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and
Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08,
respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version
16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose uptime
announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes
introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

 

thanks so much for your technical sentences.
but i realy could not understand such technical and complex
informations related to the programming!
could you please explane for me in simple way?

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
I'm not so certain that would be the case actually. Lots of hype about it
but....
I'm not convinced.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource

Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and
old Windows releases


i wish that if you use python 3 for compiling nvda, use version 3.4 to
support xp without problem.
it has two advantages.
first, you can benefit simplicity and new features of python3 and
second, your xp users can use there operating system without any
worried!

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic xp
installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on core duo
laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look
after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me that
there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care too much

as

they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk,
the
only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because they
are
the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I suspect
this
is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm going to scrap
mine as long as they keep going, and those people I know with xp are not
using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried 10

it

is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it cannot
really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the
functionality

of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible
with
installed versions.

Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource
Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others
and
old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't work
on
Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil
package
that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it
was
decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think
this
is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other
add-ons

as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows
Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases
to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will
require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393)
and
later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows
10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier
than
Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due
to
support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall
that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I
will
not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year
after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next
LTS
series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is
scheduled
for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from
Windows
XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS
series,

or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say,
five
people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later
with
GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they
will
stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista.
But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end game
for
Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

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I'm not so certain that would be the case actually. Lots of hype about it but....
I'm not convinced.
Brian

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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases


i wish that if you use python 3 for compiling nvda, use version 3.4 to
support xp without problem.
it has two advantages.
first, you can benefit simplicity and new features of python3 and
second, your xp users can use there operating system without any
worried!

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<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic xp
installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on core duo
laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me that
there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care too much as

they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk, the
only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because they are
the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I suspect this
is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm going to scrap
mine as long as they keep going, and those people I know with xp are not
using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried 10 it

is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it cannot
really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the functionality

of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible with
installed versions.

Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource
Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and
old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't work
on
Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil package
that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it was
decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think
this
is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other add-ons

as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows
Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases
to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will
require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393) and
later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows
10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier
than
Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due to
support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall
that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I
will
not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year
after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next LTS
series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled
for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from Windows
XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS series,

or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say,
five
people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later
with
GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they will
stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista. But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end game for
Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

Brian's Mail list account
 

I think, unless you have been hiding under a rock for about five years or so, thus far nvda has been one of the best pieces of software for continuing support of XP. Also of course there is no reason why you cannot continue to use the older versions of add ons in the code unless it breaks due to an nvda addition or change.
Also, being open source if there are enough people who want to still run xp, there is nothing stopping you from getting somebody who can program to write a bespoke add on to do what you want.
If you want proof of the fact that xp can now only really be used because nothing else will run on the hardware, look at.
Firefox. Last version 48 on AMD processors 52 on Intel
Ccleaner 5.2 on Amd Processors but still runs newer version on Pentiums
Java, no bug fixes or updates
Adobe Digital Edition will not run on xp
Flash really buggy and seems not to work

Adobe reader, only 11 will run and no bug fixes either.

Windows updates no longer work unless you force the machine to download the file manually as with the recent hostage ware patch that came through.
Most updates for office do not seem to run well in xp.

Although it is still true to say that all current windows O/ss can trace their origins back to Windows NT the basic kernal and its associated routines have been so much modified since that it would be a real nightmare to make much of it work.
So we have to put up with older software. At the moment msse still runs, but I'd imagine that won't be for a great deal longer as even the embedded version in cash machines and point of sale terminals are now being phased out, for good security reasons.
Thus the hack for the windows updates will not bring you anything but a slow computer while it looks in vain for updates!
Its had a good innings and yes its still usable with provisos as said above. I tried to write this not in the lingo of the programmer as Josephs was a bit, and hope it helps.
Now whether you support things going out of date is a discussion for a philosophical list not this one!

Now where is my hippy caftan.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


please readd support for xp users who need it.
thanks and God bless you.

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<bglists@...> wrote:
One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with no
sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up on this
one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor: as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is
causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and
Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08,
respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version
16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose uptime
announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes
introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: getting in contact with the person who made the braille note classic add on?

Rui Fontes
 

Now a days, he is without time for that...
When he did it, and still it isn't, the Braille Note as a synth, for us, portuguese speakers, is not a option...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: The Wolf
Data: 16 de julho de 2017 05:34
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] getting in contact with the person who made the braille note classic add on?

Hello is there a way the person who created the braille note classic
brailel display add on could get in touch with me?

wanted to see if they can add the synth from the braille note classic add on

it uses keynote SA as its synth.

thanks

Hank


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

 

Hi,
As I learned this the hard way today (as I often do when walking through uncharted territories), support for a given operating system is a very complex puzzle that requires careful coordination of various subsystems, texts, dependencies, statements, and research. Subsystems, because even a misguided plug (bad assumption) can destroy a system. Text, because what was meant by something is totally different in other contexts, especially when it comes to API and documentation. Dependencies, because a complex mechanism or a system requires careful tuning of bolts and gears (in case of software, libraries). Statements, because what may have worked in the past will not apply, and more often than not, people are fooled by carefully crafted statements about OS compatibility. Research, because supporting a given operating system requires learning more about how the new version or an OS works and making careful decisions and planning ahead for possible disasters, all requiring careful research.
In case of the Resource Monitor issue, the actual issue came about due to changes made when using more recent version of a dependency. Unfortunately, using an old version meant sacrificing precious code from two developers (I and another person who brought you uptime command), one of them having to do with the uptime command problem caused by 32-bit integer overflow (in old releases of psutil, if you leave your computer running for more than 49 days, uptime command will give you erroneous message); fixing this requires partially using newer API's provided by Windows Vista and later. Another problem with using really old version of psutil is the fact that function names have changed, one of the worst nightmares a software engineer can experience (in case you are researching how NVDA can be ported to Python 3, take a look at _winreg versus winreg (one with a leading underscore)), and the version I found is reasonably recent that allows me to keep using new function names from newest psutil release and keep supporting XP for a little while. But the most important change (that will unfortunately result in parting ways with Windows XP) is the fact that the facility used to compile newer psutil releases uses code that will not let psutil run on XP at all (specifically, the wheel version of psutil 4.0.0 and later uses Windows subsystem version of NT 6.0, which corresponds to Windows Vista; even if I can build from source, it requires using a specific version of Visual Studio 2008 compiler that was optimized for Python 2.7, whereas Python 3.5 only requires Visual Studio 2015).
In summary, as much as I wish to support XP, reality overrode me. I'm sorry.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

i wish that if you use python 3 for compiling nvda, use version 3.4 to support xp without problem.
it has two advantages.
first, you can benefit simplicity and new features of python3 and second, your xp users can use there operating system without any worried!

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic
xp installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on
core duo laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me
that there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care
too much as

they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk,
the only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because
they are the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I
suspect this is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm
going to scrap mine as long as they keep going, and those people I
know with xp are not using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried
10 it

is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it
cannot really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the
functionality

of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible
with installed versions.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility:
Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures
and others and old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't
work on Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer
psutil package that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback
from users, it was decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than
later. Also, I think this is a good opportunity to announce
compatibility notices for other add-ons

as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows
Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last
releases to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and
later will require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607
(build 14393) and later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in
regards to certain Windows
10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows
earlier than Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will
be required due to support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the
fall that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than
5.10. I will not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until
up to one year after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when
support for the next LTS series ends, whichever happens earlier (the
next LTS series is scheduled for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from
Windows XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next
LTS series,

or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say,
five people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7
and later with GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they
will stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows
Vista. But once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when
the end game for Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

 

i wish that if you use python 3 for compiling nvda, use version 3.4 to
support xp without problem.
it has two advantages.
first, you can benefit simplicity and new features of python3 and
second, your xp users can use there operating system without any
worried!

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic xp
installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on core duo
laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me that
there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care too much as

they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk, the
only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because they are
the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I suspect this
is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm going to scrap
mine as long as they keep going, and those people I know with xp are not
using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried 10 it

is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it cannot
really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the functionality

of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible with
installed versions.

Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource
Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and
old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't work
on
Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil package
that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it was
decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think
this
is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other add-ons

as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows
Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases
to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will
require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393) and
later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows
10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier
than
Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due to
support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall
that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I
will
not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year
after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next LTS
series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled
for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from Windows
XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS series,

or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say,
five
people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later
with
GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they will
stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista. But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end game for
Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

 

please readd support for xp users who need it.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/17/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with no
sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up on this
one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor
users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor: as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is
causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and
Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08,
respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version
16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose uptime
announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes
introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

 

i tested jaws with my windows xp many years ago and someone told that
he tested on windows seven.
jaws does not stop reading in screen saver activated.i am not sure is
it a bug in nvda or windows or something else.
i waite for developers of nvda guide in this regard.

On 7/17/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Screen-readers for the most part don't interpret things such as st period
and say street or saint on their own. The synthesizer largely does these
things. And there is a difference between a screen-reader saying something
and actually affecting the performance of the machine. And I suspect that
once you start fooling around with screen-readers affecting performance, you
would have other problems that alter more than the original intent. If you
stop screen-readers from coming up, you might stop power settings such as a
machine sleeping after a certain number of minutes or something going into
standby like a hard drive after a certain number of minutes of disuse.
There is a significant difference in degree between how a screen-reader says
s t period, and altering how a machine works at the program or utility
level. In addition, people have some responsibility for learning how to use
their equipment. I understand that people have varying degrees of interest
and knowledge. But even so, there are certain things people need to know or
learn. If they have a problem such as a screen saver coming on and stopping
speech, they may find out what the problem is in various ways, asking on
list, asking a knowledgeable user, calling the screen-reader technical
support, and perhaps others I haven't thought of.

Gene
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them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


Yes I agree, but as has been said, people do not agree on what should be
said or not said, so I think it can add complexity if you attempt to suit
all people.
Half the problem is that operating system and program writers seldom think

outside of the graphical front end on how a blind person would 'see' the
screen conceptually.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


100 percent disagree. screen readers are more than just screen readers
these days. They replace a display for one thing, and if they were just
screen readers, then we wouldn't have issues with screen readers saying
things that aren't actually there (something I've complained about
especially with apple for years). If they were just screen readers, then

they would read what is on the screen, and nothing else. They wouldn't
attempt to interpret what is read, to say street or saint (in context),
they would simply say s t and continue. Neither would they give the
option of saying 1 hundred and twenty three or 1 2 3, No folks, screen
readers topped being just screen readers a long time ago, and as such,
things like your screen reader stopping (or not) when the system goes to
sleep even though the screen reader is still active are most definitely a

bug. Now, whether it's an os bug or a screen reader bug is certainly open

for debate, but nonetheless, it's still a bug, and I for one would
definitely like to see it fixed, on IOS, OSX, and in windows as well.


On 7/16/2017 11:27 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It's not a bug, because a screen reader is what it is, a screen
reader. If a screen saver is active, then a sighted user would not be
able to tell what's on screen either. Notice that say all stops when
the screen saver is active.

It's more of an enhancement.

On 7/16/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Nope, still consider it a bug. There are routines one can call to tell
the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et
al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating
system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen
reader. The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something
(after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader
is
responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to
sleep. Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.



On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
It's not a bug. Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from
coming up because no keys are being depressed. Manufacturers have
said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a
screen-reader.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen
reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing
something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person.

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me
for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does
stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've
heard about the issue. People should set the screen saver setting to
none. This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws
users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
<mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have

a
short sleep timer or screen dimmer.

For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I
am on
the road.




On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
off on a computer, I have to say.
It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if
its
not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen
savers
with modern displays?
Brian

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<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent
for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


hello every one.
i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people
told
nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
i found the solution!
i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still
persists
unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

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al-islam.org


Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Gene
 

Screen-readers for the most part don't interpret things such as st period and say street or saint on their own.  The synthesizer largely does these things.  And there is a difference between a screen-reader saying something and actually affecting the performance of the machine.  And I suspect that once you start fooling around with screen-readers affecting performance, you would have other problems that alter more than the original intent.  If you stop screen-readers from coming up, you might stop power settings such as a machine sleeping after a certain number of minutes or something going into standby like a hard drive after a certain number of minutes of disuse.  There is a significant difference in degree between how a screen-reader says s t period, and altering how a machine works at the program or utility level.  In addition, people have some responsibility for learning how to use their equipment.  I understand that people have varying degrees of interest and knowledge.  But even so, there are certain things people need to know or learn.  If they have a problem such as a screen saver coming on and stopping speech, they may find out what the problem is in various ways, asking on list, asking a knowledgeable user, calling the screen-reader technical support, and perhaps others I haven't thought of. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Yes I agree, but as has been said, people do not agree on what should be
said or not said, so I think it can add complexity if you attempt to suit
all people.
 Half the problem is that operating system and program  writers seldom think
outside of the graphical front end on how a blind person would 'see' the
screen conceptually.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


> 100 percent disagree.  screen readers are more than just screen readers
> these days.  They replace a display for one thing, and if they were just
> screen readers, then we wouldn't have issues with screen readers saying
> things that aren't actually there (something I've complained about
> especially with apple for years).  If they were just screen readers, then
> they would read what is on the screen, and nothing else.  They wouldn't
> attempt to interpret what is read, to say street or saint (in context),
> they would simply say s t and continue.  Neither would they give the
> option of saying 1 hundred and twenty three or  1 2 3, No folks, screen
> readers topped being just screen readers a long time ago, and as such,
> things like your screen reader stopping (or not) when the system goes to
> sleep even though the screen reader is still active are most definitely a
> bug.  Now, whether it's an os bug or a screen reader bug is certainly open
> for debate, but nonetheless, it's still a bug, and I for one would
> definitely like to see it fixed, on IOS, OSX, and in windows as well.
>
>
> On 7/16/2017 11:27 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
>> It's not a bug, because a screen reader is what it is, a screen
>> reader. If a screen saver is active, then a sighted user would not be
>> able to tell what's on screen either. Notice that say all stops when
>> the screen saver is active.
>>
>> It's more of an enhancement.
>>
>> On 7/16/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
>>> Nope, still consider it a bug.  There are routines one can call to tell
>>> the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et
>>> al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating
>>> system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen
>>> reader.  The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something
>>> (after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader is
>>> responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to
>>> sleep.  Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
>>>> It's not a bug.  Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from
>>>> coming up because no keys are being depressed.  Manufacturers have
>>>> said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a
>>>> screen-reader.
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@...>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
>>>> silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen
>>>> reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing
>>>> something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person.
>>>>
>>>> Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me
>>>> for years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>>> I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does
>>>>> stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've
>>>>> heard about the issue.  People should set the screen saver setting to
>>>>> none.  This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
>>>>> silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown
>>>>>
>>>>> should i report it in github?
>>>>> because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws
>>>>> users.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>>>>> <mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
>>>>>> Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> short sleep timer or screen dimmer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I
>>>>> am on
>>>>>> the road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
>>>>>>> off on a computer, I have to say.
>>>>>>> It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
>>>>>>> not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
>>>>>>> short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
>>>>>>> with modern displays?
>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>>>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>,
>>>>> putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>>>>>>> <nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>>
>>>>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> them after minutes in browsers and says unknown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hello every one.
>>>>>>>> i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
>>>>>>>> i found the solution!
>>>>>>>> i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
>>>>>>>> versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
>>>>>>>> just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
>>>>>>>> screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still
>>>>> persists
>>>>>>>> unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
>>>>>>>> did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
>>>>>>>> i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>>>> al-islam.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

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Yes I agree, but as has been said, people do not agree on what should be said or not said, so I think it can add complexity if you attempt to suit all people.
Half the problem is that operating system and program writers seldom think outside of the graphical front end on how a blind person would 'see' the screen conceptually.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


100 percent disagree. screen readers are more than just screen readers these days. They replace a display for one thing, and if they were just screen readers, then we wouldn't have issues with screen readers saying things that aren't actually there (something I've complained about especially with apple for years). If they were just screen readers, then they would read what is on the screen, and nothing else. They wouldn't attempt to interpret what is read, to say street or saint (in context), they would simply say s t and continue. Neither would they give the option of saying 1 hundred and twenty three or 1 2 3, No folks, screen readers topped being just screen readers a long time ago, and as such, things like your screen reader stopping (or not) when the system goes to sleep even though the screen reader is still active are most definitely a bug. Now, whether it's an os bug or a screen reader bug is certainly open for debate, but nonetheless, it's still a bug, and I for one would definitely like to see it fixed, on IOS, OSX, and in windows as well.


On 7/16/2017 11:27 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It's not a bug, because a screen reader is what it is, a screen
reader. If a screen saver is active, then a sighted user would not be
able to tell what's on screen either. Notice that say all stops when
the screen saver is active.

It's more of an enhancement.

On 7/16/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Nope, still consider it a bug. There are routines one can call to tell
the computer you're doing something, and there's no reason why jaws et
al can't put said calls into the screen reader so that the operating
system knows something is active, and you shouldn't start the screen
reader. The os manufacturer knows the screen reader is doing something
(after all, it is the one sending the notifications the screen reader is
responding to), so they could easily notify the system not to go to
sleep. Nope, can't agree here, still a bug.



On 7/16/2017 4:30 PM, Gene wrote:
It's not a bug. Windows doesn't know to keep the screen-reader from
coming up because no keys are being depressed. Manufacturers have
said for decades that screen-savers should not be on when using a
screen-reader.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Travis Siegel <mailto:tsiegel@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:29 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

Actually, I do consider this a bug, because as long as my screen
reader is talking, the machine shouldn't go to sleep, it's still doing
something, even if it's not visible to a sighted person.

Apple is bad with this too, and it's something that has irritated me
for years.


On 7/16/2017 7:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is happening on your machine but JAWS usually does
stop when a screen-saver comes on and has done so as long as I've
heard about the issue. People should set the screen saver setting to
none. This isn't a bug or anything that should be reported.

*From:* nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:59 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes
silent for them after minutes in browsers and says unknown

should i report it in github?
because sayAll does not stop after activating screen saver for jaws
users.

On 7/16/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
<mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
Well I always turn off screen savers you don't need them if you have a
short sleep timer or screen dimmer.

For myself I never bother with any power features as such unless I
am on
the road.




On 16/07/2017 7:54 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:
I think this is a Windows issue. Its one of the first things I turn
off on a computer, I have to say.
It should be in the instructions for installing nvda, I think if its
not already as some computers seem to be set up with an incredibly
short wait period befor it kicks in. Do we really need screen savers
with modern displays?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 12:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] a good news for those who say nvda becomes silent for
them after minutes in browsers and says unknown


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


hello every one.
i remember that recievd some messages in the lists which people told
nvda says unknown in browsers and becomes silent.
i found the solution!
i new the cause before, but i thought that its solved in the newer
versions of nvda, but unfortunately yesterday i realized not!
just find screen saver in the control panel and set it to none.
screen saver causes this problem for nvda and the issue still
persists
unfortunately even in version 2017.2.
did someone report this issue or i should report it in github?
i waite for your help and feedback and God bless you all!






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org

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Re: Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on

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One has also to be careful as some xp machines run on processors with no sse2 support, ie the amd Athlons etc. Even Ccleaner has screwed up on this one recently. It just crases in a most messy way.

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Emergency advisory for Windows XP and Resource Monitor users: please use version 16.08 or disable the add-on


Hi all,



Emergency advisory notice for Windows XP users using Resource Monitor: as
part of Resource Monitor 17.02, I have updated psutil to 5.0.1. This is
causing an error message to be shown for Windows XP users as newer psutil
versions aren't compatible with it. The last version of psutil and Resource
monitor that's compatible with Windows XP are 3.4.2 and 16.08, respectively.



Until further notice, I advise Windows XP users to either use version 16.08
or disable the add-on. If you do downgrade to 16.08, you'll lose uptime
announcement (NVDA+Shift+7) and bug fix for disk status command (fixes
introduced in 17.02).



There are several ways of resolving this:



1. Bundle an old version of psutil package with the add-on. This may
introduce compatibility problems.
2. Disable support for XP: catch the error and tell XP users that some
add-on features aren't compatible.
3. Remove support for XP. However, this runs into issues for those who
rely on XP.



Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

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Its the crashing all the time that annoyed me mostly.
The rest is only important if you intend using it as a back up program to the cloud.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery


As always, accessibility comes last, if it does. All I can do i wait, maybe in a few weeks there'll be a new version.


Re: Google Drive new version mystery

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I get that problem as well. So far three machines downdated, two more to go. Buth playing silly wotsits at present with old version won't run messages. Need to do a massive purge to stop it seeing newer versions inside machine, obviously.
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Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google Drive new version mystery


Oh so sorry for the typos, I sent it too quickly and didn't check the spelling, what a shame!


Re: Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases

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Yes what extras will a newer version of resource monitor to realistic xp installations though? I suspect not much as many are running on core duo laptops or older single core desktops like most of the ones I look after.

I know that there are discussions about xp, but it does seem to me that there are still a lot of these about.I myself do not really care too much as they are not in areas where new functionality is needed.
I have none of the other operating systems here. Talking to NHS folk, the only reason they are not upgrading those machines now is because they are the only ones that support medical hardware at present, and I suspect this is probably the case elsewhere. However I don't think I'm going to scrap mine as long as they keep going, and those people I know with xp are not using them in critical task areas.

Windows 7, though is still my operating system of choice. Having tried 10 it is still really irritating in many areas, to the least because it cannot really run with a portable version of nvda without lots of the functionality of UIA, which 7 does not rely on as much, and that is only accessible with installed versions.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 2:22 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement on add-on compatibility: Resource Monitor, Windows 10 App Essentials, Enhanced Touch Gestures and others and old Windows releases


Dear NVDA community,



It was brought to my attention that Resource Monitor 17.07 doesn't work on
Windows XP. Investigation showed that I have used a newer psutil package
that dropped support for XP. After gathering feedback from users, it was
decided to part ways with Windows XP sooner than later. Also, I think this
is a good opportunity to announce compatibility notices for other add-ons as
well in relation to supporting old Windows releases.



Thus:



* Resource Monitor: support for Windows XP will end on December 31,
2017, with version 17.10 being the most likely EOL candidate. Windows Server
2003 and Windows Vista will be supported until June 30, 2018.
* Windows 10 App Essentials: version 17.09.x will be the last releases
to support NVDA versions prior to 2017.3. Version 17.10 and later will
require NVDA 2017.3 running on Windows 10 Version 1607 (build 14393) and
later due to changes introduced in 2017.3 in regards to certain Windows 10
controls and events.
* Enhanced Touch Gestures: starting from version 17.09, the add-on
will refuse to install on computers or tablets running Windows earlier than
Windows 8.x. From 2018 onwards, Windows 8.1 or 10 will be required due to
support policy on Windows 8.0 from Microsoft.
* StationPlaylist Studio: there will be a 15.x LTS release in the fall
that'll be the last one to support Studio versions earlier than 5.10. I will
not remove support for Windows XP from this add-on until up to one year
after Studio itself stops supporting XP or when support for the next LTS
series ends, whichever happens earlier (the next LTS series is scheduled for
2018 at the earliest). So if you are managing radio stations from Windows
XP, it might be best to either use version 15.x LTS, the next LTS series, or
upgrade to at least Windows 7.
* GoldWave: I will not drop support for Windows XP until number of
people who are using GoldWave 5 on XP is small enough (less than say, five
people). Once this happens, the add-on will require Windows 7 and later with
GoldWave 5 or 6 installed.
* ObjPad and Object location Tones: these add-ons will drop support
for XP once NVDA itself drops support for it.



As for add-ons from other authors, it is up to them as to when they will
stop supporting Windows XP, Windows Server 2003 and/or Windows Vista. But
once NV Access decides to move to Python 3, that's when the end game for
Windows XP support will begin.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph