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Re: System restore
Gene
I don't see why a screen-reader would cause
problems with system restore. To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can
try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a
JAWS demo. But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and
Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads
Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't
running.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris
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Re: Error message
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
did setting nvda back to factory defaults do it.. Some times after you do it turn off nvda with the nvda key + q then tab to ok to quit it. then restart nvda then you will get a message about using the caps lock as a modifier key etc do your changes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key on it. hopefully then it will default back to the e speak voice.
Other wise may be when you press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S when the synth dialogue comes up and it says about that voice i wonder if pressing the letter E will get you back to the e speak synth and if it does then tab to the ok button. Hopefully you might be able to uninstall the syn package it is looking at under program and features or something like that in your version of windows. Hopefully if this is done it will not cause any problems?
Not sure even if doing a recovery will get rid of it.
Gene nz
On 7/21/2017 3:48 AM, Darrin Reid via Groups.Io wrote:
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers.
To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert exam.
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System restore
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi,
I have a quick question. I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method. "System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point." I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles. I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063. Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers. Is anyone else having this problem? I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn. Thanks Chris
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Re: .pdf readers
John Hedges
I use Edge pdf view. It works with accessible files. This is part of Windows 10 latest release.
Files generated by Office365 2016 work as accessible pdf.
John
From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:33 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
Thanks very much,
George
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.pdf readers
George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters
and in no case does the output show indented lines.
Thanks very much,
George
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
totally agree, no need for a rodent here.
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with
nvda? Hi, Gene,
I agree with you here. If a blind person can learn to navigate by using keyboard commands, then he or she should be able to get a job done more quickly and efficiently. For example, I sometimes listen to a station called the legend. I know where the listen link is so I just do the find command and type "listen" in the edit box and hit enter. I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind person, is in that circumstance. But I question your assertion that it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the keyboard. You don't have to lookk at those top links. One of the most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command. Also, if you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what you are looking for. On pages I've never looked at before, I often am interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top. I've seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as I've mentioned would be far better to use. I haven't used a physical mouse but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an overview of the page. then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first sentence of any paragraph desired.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?
Well, I'll disagree that it's pointless for someone who's
totally blind to use the mouse with NVDA (or their finger on a laptop or
all-in-one touch screen) to get a "quick and dirty" idea of what's on a given
screen, particularly a webpage. The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Rosemarie Chavarria
Hi, Gene,
I agree with you here. If a blind person can learn to navigate by using keyboard commands, then he or she should be able to get a job done more quickly and efficiently. For example, I sometimes listen to a station called the legend. I know where the listen link is so I just do the find command and type "listen" in the edit box and hit enter. I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.
Rosemarie
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:56 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?
I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind person, is in that circumstance. But I question your assertion that it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the keyboard. You don't have to lookk at those top links. One of the most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command. Also, if you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what you are looking for. On pages I've never looked at before, I often am interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top. I've seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as I've mentioned would be far better to use. I haven't used a physical mouse but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an overview of the page. then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first sentence of any paragraph desired.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?
Well, I'll disagree that it's pointless for someone who's totally blind to use the mouse with NVDA (or their finger on a laptop or all-in-one touch screen) to get a "quick and dirty" idea of what's on a given screen, particularly a webpage. The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible
Jim Noseworthy
Hello:
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Thanks: I know about Bible Gateway but my client is looking for an NVDA compatible off-line Bible. Cheers.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:48 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible There are many options but here is one that I have no difficulty using-- and I use NVDA excluseively... (I copied the title bar and address for you-- I use firefox.) BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages. - Mozilla Firefox https://www.biblegateway.com/ -LM -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 7/19/17, Jim Noseworthy <jim.noseworthy@...> wrote: Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 11:23 AM Hi Gang: Is there an NVDA add-on for the Online Bible? If not, can anyone recommend a good off-line Bible that would work with NVDA? Thanks all over the place gang.
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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible
Jim Noseworthy
Hello:
That’s the program I’m talking about by Larry Pearce.
Cheers.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leonard de Ruijter
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:02 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible
Hey Jim,
It turns out I was wrong, I have experience with an Online Bible, but it is the program from http://www.onlinebible.org/ . This application worked quite Ok with JAWS and SUperNova in the past.
Let me know whether this is a suitable alternative for you.
Regards, Leonard
On 20-7-2017 12:40, Jim Noseworthy wrote:
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Re: describing symbols
Gene
I saw the messages about imogees (spelling) and
that may be a cause as well. But I've also seen descriptions as a part of
web pages or html newsletters that are written out on the page for blind
people. They are, I'm sure, writing using something like black on black
contrast so a sighted person won't see them but they provide no useful
information.
Gene
------ Original Message -----
If the exact same description occurs in message
after message and if it interferes with reading text efficiently, you can try
copying the exact text to the clipboard and then using the speech dictionary to
cause the phrase not to be spoken. I did that in HTML e-mails that said
nonsense like curved line in every e-mail and other such nonsense.
When people take blindness accessibility
recommendations seriously for Internet sites with no understanding of them, all
sorts of nonsense may result such as something like the description curved line
being placed on the site..
Gene
----- Original Message ----- Email sighted help tells me that there is a symbol that looks like a sun. NVDA reads it as Black Sun with Rays.
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Gene
That may be in terms of how people work with web
pages. But I'm not sure what your second comment is saying. It may
be that some people who have seen before may be better able to picture what they
are doing when using a mouse but I'm not sure if that is what you are saying and
I think its better to try to teach efficient keyboard navigation first to see
how well people do with it. I don't look on imitating or accomodating to
the sighted organization of web pages to be a good general measure of whether a
technique is a good one. Being blind means that for accomplishing some
tasks, techniques that have no relation to a sighted users techniques will be
far more efficient.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with
nvda? You would do well to understand that you are an outlier on the high end of the bell curve of efficient screen reader use and skill set (and this is not a bad thing). But that is what you are, and your skills are not necessarily transferable to all other screen reader users. We've had this discussion before, as I try to teach a lot of the things you advocate but there are a lot of folks who just can't or won't (and I'd say it's more often the latter) absorb them, particularly if they're not something that they need to use on a routine basis. There is, as the old saying goes (and BTW, I love cats, so I don't do this) "more than one way to skin a cat." For some people the keyboard will be their one and only chosen technique and they'll get really, really efficient with it. Others stay in pretty much "brute force tabbing" mode long after they've been taught how to avoid it and have even demonstrated that they can avoid it, they simply choose not to. That latter group is far better served, when circumstances permit, by using mouse tracing to their advantage. The other thing I can say is, that as someone who sees and scans pages visually, what can (not always is, but can) be accomplished via disciplined use of mouse tracking comes much closer to imitating that process, which is what the medium is designed for, than the hierarchical method imposed by keyboard use of screen readers, no matter how skillfully used from the keyboard. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: describing symbols
It could be Webdings, too.
It's a thorny decision to not describe emojis, emoticons, or things like webdings. They get used in many instances to convey something the text itself might not. Then again, there are people who pepper their communications with them such that they are, to most of us, just garbage. There's no AI that can yet fathom which situation might be which. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: Error message
Darrin Reid
I don't want to use this voice. I am simply trying to get back to the default settings. Can you tell me how to get back to the default settings when I can't bring up the interface? Darrin Reid
On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: describing symbols
Gene
If the exact same description occurs in message
after message and if it interferes with reading text efficiently, you can try
copying the exact text to the clipboard and then using the speech dictionary to
cause the phrase not to be spoken. I did that in HTML e-mails that said
nonsense like curved line in every e-mail and other such nonsense.
When people take blindness accessibility
recommendations seriously for Internet sites with no understanding of them, all
sorts of nonsense may result such as something like the description curved line
being placed on the site..
Gene ----- Original Message -----
Email sighted help tells me that there is a symbol that looks like a sun. NVDA reads it as Black Sun with Rays.
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Gene,
You would do well to understand that you are an outlier on the high end of the bell curve of efficient screen reader use and skill set (and this is not a bad thing). But that is what you are, and your skills are not necessarily transferable to all other screen reader users. We've had this discussion before, as I try to teach a lot of the things you advocate but there are a lot of folks who just can't or won't (and I'd say it's more often the latter) absorb them, particularly if they're not something that they need to use on a routine basis. There is, as the old saying goes (and BTW, I love cats, so I don't do this) "more than one way to skin a cat." For some people the keyboard will be their one and only chosen technique and they'll get really, really efficient with it. Others stay in pretty much "brute force tabbing" mode long after they've been taught how to avoid it and have even demonstrated that they can avoid it, they simply choose not to. That latter group is far better served, when circumstances permit, by using mouse tracing to their advantage. The other thing I can say is, that as someone who sees and scans pages visually, what can (not always is, but can) be accomplished via disciplined use of mouse tracking comes much closer to imitating that process, which is what the medium is designed for, than the hierarchical method imposed by keyboard use of screen readers, no matter how skillfully used from the keyboard. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible
Leonard de Ruijter
Hey Jim,
It turns out I was wrong, I have experience with an Online Bible,
but it is the program from http://www.onlinebible.org/ . This
application worked quite Ok with JAWS and SUperNova in the past.
Let me know whether this is a suitable alternative for you.
Regards, Leonard
On 20-7-2017 12:40, Jim Noseworthy
wrote:
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Re: describing symbols
Andre Fisher
This is because you are using a synthesizer that recognises emoji. At
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present, NVDA, and other screen readers, do not give you control of reporting these. It is rather synth specific.
On 7/20/17, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
How do you get NVDA to stop describing symbols? For example within a
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?
Gene
I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind
person, is in that circumstance. But I question your assertion that
it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the
keyboard. You don't have to lookk at those top links. One of the
most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip
them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command. Also, if
you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word
you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what
you are looking for. On pages I've never looked at before, I often am
interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top. I've
seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts
of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as
I've mentioned would be far better to use. I haven't used a physical mouse
but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm
skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an
overview of the page. then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by
paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first
sentence of any paragraph desired.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with
nvda? I've used that concept with a number of my clients who are trying to do web research and need to make quick decisions about whether a given webpage is something they need to dig in to further or can just chuck and move along to the next thing. You can very often get a very good idea, and very quickly, about what's on a page using mouse navigation that's far more tedious to accomplish by looking at, say, the list of links on a page, of which there are always scads more "junk links" than content links and that a screen reader has to present, but that are strategically placed on a screen, usually at the very top margin or very bottom -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature) The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. ~ Niels Bohr
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describing symbols
Don H
How do you get NVDA to stop describing symbols? For example within a Email sighted help tells me that there is a symbol that looks like a sun. NVDA reads it as Black Sun with Rays.
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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible
Laurie Mehta
There are many options but here is one that I have no difficulty using-- and I use NVDA excluseively...
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(I copied the title bar and address for you-- I use firefox.) BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages. - Mozilla Firefox https://www.biblegateway.com/ -LM --------------------------------------------
On Wed, 7/19/17, Jim Noseworthy <jim.noseworthy@...> wrote:
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 11:23 AM Hi Gang: Is there an NVDA add-on for the Online Bible? If not, can anyone recommend a good off-line Bible that would work with NVDA? Thanks all over the place gang.
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