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Re: Magnifiers and NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi by the way if you use the magnifier there is a add on for it for nvda. I am not sure if it will work on windows 10 with the add on as i can not see to test for you to make sure. I am guessing it will and there are shortcuts that go with the add on if needed.


Gene nz



On 7/21/2017 3:38 AM, Bill Sallander wrote:

At this point, I’m just on a fact finding mission. The next time I see the client, I’ll have to see if it will work or if higher magnification is needed.

In short, I’m trying to find the cheapest solution so they can get up and running.

Thanks for the advice.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Magnifiers and NVDA

 

Theoretically, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, NVDA doesn't touch the vidio drivers like Jaws does, its just a matter of finding out whether there are conflicts in the command sets between the two and tailoring a custom configuration to neutralize those conflicts, should any exist. You could also make a manually triggering configuration profile that your client can start if he or she runs zoomtext with NVDA, and stops when using NVDA on its own.

 

Question though, will windows magnifier not meet their needs?


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Re: System restore

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chris


I have done system restore plenty of times and had no problems. I was using nvda with all of them.


One time i done it on a members computer but it did not have internet access and done a system restore when all things failed and it gave me the same message as you said. but then funny enough the connection for the internet came back. this was after doing the usual steps  of back brading or upgrading the driver and even uninstalling it etc.


But it still fixed it any how.


The other thing 2 is when you go into the part where there are restore points and it gives you a list of them go back before the problem happened then restore it. There are other restore points just above the list and will need to be checked to see them if you have not done it already.


Only in the last week on my windows 10 creators update i reset the computer back to factory defaults but keaped my stuff you usually keep when you upgrade etc and then i was able to use narrator to setup windows again. It was my first time doing that.


but the system restore will not cause problems while using nvda just do not touch it when it is doing it's thing other wise you might get that message again.


Gene nz



On 7/21/2017 8:50 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
I have a quick question.
I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method.
"System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point."
I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles.
I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063.
Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn.
Thanks
Chris




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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: System restore

Gene
 

I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore

That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another
you may want to get that program or settings back.

I to use a reg backup.




On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
> I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't.  I'm not sure why.  But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore.  Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen.  On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons.  I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to.  So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability.  I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program.  I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate.
>
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian Vogel
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore
>
>
> System Restore is notoriously flaky.  I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not.  I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.
>
> This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now."   If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.
>




Re: System restore

Gene
 

Sometimes, antimalware programs keep System Restore from running.  Sometimes, if it isn't run in Safe Mode, it won't run properly.  I have no idea if either is the case in this instance.  But I think the chances of a screen-reader causing problems are minimal and are extremely unlikely.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore

Hi Brian,
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with
Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer?
Thanks
Chris



Re: .pdf readers

Gene
 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>




Re: Hebrew TTS

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


In that case, I agree. The vocalizer voice should do just fine.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

Pronunciation not really an issue here! Israeli Hebrew pronunciation would do for virtually all purposes.
On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 at 15:32, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:
Yeah... that's kind of what I suspected.
 
Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Shalom lecha.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

Vocalizer Expressive only have the modern hebrew.

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 20 de julho de 2017 02:21
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Hebrew TTS


Good question Christopher, without knowing, I would have assumed modern (is
that what Vocalizer supports?  It doesn't say, it just lists "Hebrew").



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgilland07@...> wrote:

We gotta be careful here.

Are they wanting the modern hebrew, or more biblical hebrew. Yes. The
pronounciation is quite different in many ways, and it's different just
enough to really screw you up, if you're not careful.
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hebrew TTS

Hi everyone,

I've had an enquiry about using NVDA in Hebrew.  I know the interface is
translated to Hebrew, but the default eSpeak NG synthesizer we use doesn't
support Hebrew.  The commercial Vocalizer synthesizer supports Hebrew, but
is anyone familiar with any other synthesizers which support Hebrew?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Issues with some Espeak languages

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

Hi all.
This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I have noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support for some languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly Arabic, Burmese and Japanese.
The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules files are missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter" with a sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin characters aren't affected.
Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who speaks these languages could file a bug report.
I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
All the best,

Kara Goldfinch

Certified Expert               
View the list of all NVDA Experts


Re: System restore

 

That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another you may want to get that program or settings back.

I to use a reg backup.

On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate.


Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.

This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.


Re: System restore

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi Brian,
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer?
Thanks
Chris


Re: System restore

Gene
 

I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't.  I'm not sure why.  But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore.  Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen.  On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons.  I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to.  So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability.  I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program.  I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate.
 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore

System Restore is notoriously flaky.  I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not.  I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.

This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now."   If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.

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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: System restore

 

System Restore is notoriously flaky.  I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not.  I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.

This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now."   If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.

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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if you count online.

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it should work.

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like files.

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files though what you get back is unknown.

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.

On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


Re: System restore

Gene
 

I don't see why a screen-reader would cause problems with system restore.  To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a JAWS demo.  But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't running. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] System restore

Hi,
I have a quick question.
I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method.
"System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not
restore the directory at the restore point."
I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles.
I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063.
Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different
computers.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn.
Thanks
Chris



Re: Error message

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


did setting nvda back to factory defaults do it.. Some times after you do it turn off nvda with the nvda key + q  then tab to ok to quit it. then restart nvda then you will get a message about using the caps lock as a modifier key etc do your changes then tab to the ok button then press the enter key on it.

hopefully then it will default back to the e speak voice.


Other wise may be when you press the nvda key + ctrl key + the letter S when the synth dialogue comes up and it says about that voice i  wonder if pressing the letter E will get you back to the e speak synth and if it does then tab to the ok button. Hopefully you might be able to uninstall the syn package it is looking at under program and features or something like that in your version of windows. Hopefully if this is done it will not cause any problems?


Not sure even if doing a recovery will get rid of it.


Gene nz



On 7/21/2017 3:48 AM, Darrin Reid via Groups.Io wrote:
Do you have any other suggestions? I tried what you said, but it did not work. Every time I hit any key, the error message window keeps popping open. When I click the, OK button, on the window, it eventually goes away. No matter how quickly I hit the NVDA+ctrl+r, it will not open up the interface window.

Darrin Reid

On Jul 19, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Darrin,

It sounds like you are trying to use a TTS voice which is licensed to another program?  NVDA will let you use any standard SAPI TTS and many others, but some voices are locked to specific programs.  If you are trying to use a TTS voice you got with another program, it may not work with NVDA, even though NVDA will let you select it.  In that case, you need to choose another voice.  If you get stuck, press NVDA+control+r to restore the saved configuration or NVDA+control+r three times quickly to restore NVDA to factory default settings (note that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA won't fix this as the configuration settings are not deleted).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Darrin Reid via Groups.Io <dkr1717@...> wrote:
This is the error message that I am getting. It is preventing me from using the application. I am working on a windows 10 desktop. How do I fix the following message.
"you need a password to use this true voice speech

Once I click on the, OK button, I never get the opportunity to put in a password. Every time I launch the program, this is the error message that I keep getting. Please, help! engine"

Darrin Reid






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System restore

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
I have a quick question.
I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method.
"System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not restore the directory at the restore point."
I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles.
I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063.
Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different computers.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn.
Thanks
Chris


Re: .pdf readers

John Hedges
 

I use Edge pdf view. It works with accessible files. This is part of Windows 10 latest release.

 

Files generated by Office365 2016 work as accessible pdf.

 

John

 

From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George


.pdf readers

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

totally agree, no need for a rodent here.
 

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I agree with you here. If a blind person can learn to navigate by using keyboard commands, then he or she should be able to get a job done more quickly and efficiently. For example, I sometimes listen to a station called the legend. I know where the listen link is so I just do the find command and type "listen" in the edit box and hit enter. I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind person, is in that circumstance.  But I question your assertion that it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the keyboard.  You don't have to lookk at those top links.  One of the most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command.  Also, if you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what you are looking for.  On pages I've never looked at before, I often am interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top.  I've seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as I've mentioned would be far better to use.  I haven't used a physical mouse but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an overview of the page.  then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first sentence of any paragraph desired.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Well, I'll disagree that it's pointless for someone who's totally blind to use the mouse with NVDA (or their finger on a laptop or all-in-one touch screen) to get a "quick and dirty" idea of what's on a given screen, particularly a webpage.

I've used that concept with a number of my clients who are trying to do web research and need to make quick decisions about whether a given webpage is something they need to dig in to further or can just chuck and move along to the next thing.  You can very often get a very good idea, and very quickly, about what's on a page using mouse navigation that's far more tedious to accomplish by looking at, say, the list of links on a page, of which there are always scads more "junk links" than content links and that a screen reader has to present, but that are strategically placed on a screen, usually at the very top margin or very bottom
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            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

 

I agree with you here. If a blind person can learn to navigate by using keyboard commands, then he or she should be able to get a job done more quickly and efficiently. For example, I sometimes listen to a station called the legend. I know where the listen link is so I just do the find command and type "listen" in the edit box and hit enter. I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind person, is in that circumstance.  But I question your assertion that it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the keyboard.  You don't have to lookk at those top links.  One of the most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command.  Also, if you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what you are looking for.  On pages I've never looked at before, I often am interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top.  I've seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as I've mentioned would be far better to use.  I haven't used a physical mouse but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an overview of the page.  then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first sentence of any paragraph desired.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Well, I'll disagree that it's pointless for someone who's totally blind to use the mouse with NVDA (or their finger on a laptop or all-in-one touch screen) to get a "quick and dirty" idea of what's on a given screen, particularly a webpage.

I've used that concept with a number of my clients who are trying to do web research and need to make quick decisions about whether a given webpage is something they need to dig in to further or can just chuck and move along to the next thing.  You can very often get a very good idea, and very quickly, about what's on a page using mouse navigation that's far more tedious to accomplish by looking at, say, the list of links on a page, of which there are always scads more "junk links" than content links and that a screen reader has to present, but that are strategically placed on a screen, usually at the very top margin or very bottom
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Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hello:

Thanks: I know about Bible Gateway but my client is looking for an NVDA compatible off-line Bible.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible

There are many options but here is one that I have no difficulty using-- and I use NVDA excluseively...
(I copied the title bar and address for you-- I use firefox.)

BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages. - Mozilla Firefox

https://www.biblegateway.com/

-LM

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On Wed, 7/19/17, Jim Noseworthy <jim.noseworthy@...> wrote:

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 11:23 AM

Hi Gang: Is there an NVDA add-on for
the Online Bible? If not, can anyone recommend a good off-line Bible that would work with NVDA? Thanks all over the place gang.