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Re: Using the Talking Boot CD

 

well looky at this search

https://www.google.co.nz/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=KEtxWYisM5Lr8wfvkre4Bw#q=Asus+B150M-A+D+drivers

If you can find maybe in asus global your board maybe you need a bios update.

Or a sightling to change boot order.

One thing, have you opened your cd drive put the disk in, closed the drive, turned off the system then held downc which is the universal cd rom access key on most if not all systems then turned on your system?

I havn't seen a system that hasn't accepted the c command to access a disk.

On 21/07/2017 10:57 a.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea


Re: Using the Talking Boot CD

Jason White
 

You might be able to set it permanently. It would still boot from the hard drive in the absence of a bootable CD.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the Talking Boot CD

 

Rather though that might be the case.

Might be a case of having a friendly sightling walk me through the process and write down the correct keystrokes as we go.

Thanks

Andrea

 

On 21/07/2017 9:31 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

You may have to select your boot device in the BIOS during the boot process to give preference to the CD drive. Doing so probably isn’t accessible.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using the Talking Boot CD

 

Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is    Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea

 


Re: .pdf readers

Jason White
 

Excellent, thanks. In my work environment, I find that the best way to read PDF files is often to use ABBYY FineReader 12 Pro to convert them to another format (e.g., Microsoft Words). Where the files contain only images of text, of course, this is necessary, but it’s even useful in circumstances in which there’s actual text in the PDF file, but Adobe Reader has problems with it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

It sure does!

That is the great part!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 

 


Re: System restore

 

Hmmm what is a good backup program jean.

I have used it on 7 to restore once, and I have backed up on 10, but it is old and its primary download server just doesn't work.

they have a registry defragmenter to but on 7 it causes a lot of issues so I havn't used it for a bit.

What should I be using.

If its free and a single app I'll use it, but if I have to pay 30-50 bucks for it I won't for a single program.

On 21/07/2017 10:26 a.m., Gene wrote:
According to a knowledgeable tech on another list and according to Bleeping Computer, Erunt doesn't work well in Windows 10 and other programs should be used.

Gene


From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


Well I have old erunt but weather that remains working or not is unknown
its not for win10 and its not been updated in ages.

I have not tried to restore a registry with it its for xp really but it
seems to back it up ok.




On 21/07/2017 9:58 a.m., Gene wrote:
I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another
you may want to get that program or settings back.

I to use a reg backup.




On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't. I'm not sure why. But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore. Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen. On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons. I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to. So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability. I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program. I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate.


Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


System Restore is notoriously flaky. I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not. I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.

This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now." If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.


Re: Using the Talking Boot CD

Andrea Sherry
 

Rather though that might be the case.

Might be a case of having a friendly sightling walk me through the process and write down the correct keystrokes as we go.

Thanks

Andrea


On 21/07/2017 9:31 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:

You may have to select your boot device in the BIOS during the boot process to give preference to the CD drive. Doing so probably isn’t accessible.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using the Talking Boot CD

 

Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is    Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea



Re: .pdf readers

David Moore
 

It sure does!

That is the great part!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 

 


Re: Magnifiers and NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just looked for it on the nvda add ons website but could not find it under any of the sections.


I did how ever find the page where the add on is located but seems only to mention windows 7, so do not know if it will work on 8 or 10.


the page where it is  can be found at http://www.greenlightgo.org/projects/nvda/

I am not sure if the project is still going but it seems like it is. Maybe under 8 and 10 this can be done easily without the add on?


I thought it might of been linked to the add ons website when it was first found but seems never to have got there.


gene nz



On 7/21/2017 11:17 AM, David Moore wrote:

Thanks Gene!

Now, I can tell that to other people.

Thanks a lot!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Magnifiers and NVDA

 

Hi by the way if you use the magnifier there is a add on for it for nvda. I am not sure if it will work on windows 10 with the add on as i can not see to test for you to make sure. I am guessing it will and there are shortcuts that go with the add on if needed.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/21/2017 3:38 AM, Bill Sallander wrote:

At this point, I’m just on a fact finding mission. The next time I see the client, I’ll have to see if it will work or if higher magnification is needed.

In short, I’m trying to find the cheapest solution so they can get up and running.

Thanks for the advice.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Magnifiers and NVDA

 

Theoretically, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, NVDA doesn't touch the vidio drivers like Jaws does, its just a matter of finding out whether there are conflicts in the command sets between the two and tailoring a custom configuration to neutralize those conflicts, should any exist. You could also make a manually triggering configuration profile that your client can start if he or she runs zoomtext with NVDA, and stops when using NVDA on its own.

 

Question though, will windows magnifier not meet their needs?

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA and the Online Bible

Ian Blackburn
 

You could try theopilis i'll send another message later to get the correct spelling
If you buy the full package that is not cheap it's produced by an American company now and is compatible with Windows 7 but I don't know about 10
It has a specific mode for screen readers but does not have some of the modern translations like an IV
Are use bible gateway on my phone
Regards Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jul 2017, at 4:03 am, Jim Noseworthy <jim.noseworthy@compuconference.com> wrote:

Hello:

Thanks: I know about Bible Gateway but my client is looking for an NVDA compatible off-line Bible.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible

There are many options but here is one that I have no difficulty using-- and I use NVDA excluseively...
(I copied the title bar and address for you-- I use firefox.)

BibleGateway.com: A searchable online Bible in over 150 versions and 50 languages. - Mozilla Firefox

https://www.biblegateway.com/

-LM

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 7/19/17, Jim Noseworthy <jim.noseworthy@compuconference.com> wrote:

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, July 19, 2017, 11:23 AM

Hi Gang: Is there an NVDA add-on for
the Online Bible? If not, can anyone recommend a good off-line Bible that would work with NVDA? Thanks all over the place gang.


Re: Using the Talking Boot CD

Jason White
 

You may have to select your boot device in the BIOS during the boot process to give preference to the CD drive. Doing so probably isn’t accessible.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrea Sherry
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using the Talking Boot CD

 

Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is    Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea


Re: .pdf readers

Jason White
 

Does it recognize the tags used (headings, lists, paragraphs, tables etc.) in tagged PDF documents?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>

 


Re: .pdf readers

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form.  They recognize them as you would a page of text.  It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document.  Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

 

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1.  adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2.  balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3.  pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4.  abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5.  google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
> I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>
> Thanks very much,
> George
>


 


Re: Magnifiers and NVDA

David Moore
 

Thanks Gene!

Now, I can tell that to other people.

Thanks a lot!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Magnifiers and NVDA

 

Hi by the way if you use the magnifier there is a add on for it for nvda. I am not sure if it will work on windows 10 with the add on as i can not see to test for you to make sure. I am guessing it will and there are shortcuts that go with the add on if needed.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/21/2017 3:38 AM, Bill Sallander wrote:

At this point, I’m just on a fact finding mission. The next time I see the client, I’ll have to see if it will work or if higher magnification is needed.

In short, I’m trying to find the cheapest solution so they can get up and running.

Thanks for the advice.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Cross
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 8:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Magnifiers and NVDA

 

Theoretically, they shouldn't be mutually exclusive, NVDA doesn't touch the vidio drivers like Jaws does, its just a matter of finding out whether there are conflicts in the command sets between the two and tailoring a custom configuration to neutralize those conflicts, should any exist. You could also make a manually triggering configuration profile that your client can start if he or she runs zoomtext with NVDA, and stops when using NVDA on its own.

 

Question though, will windows magnifier not meet their needs?

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: System restore

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 02:17 pm, Chris Shook wrote:
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer?
I would say this is an issue with System Restore.  And you've now experienced one of the flaky incidents.  Why it works, or doesn't work, on any given attempt is something I have never been able to figure out.  As you've also learned sometimes the second try is the charm.  I can definitely tell you that sometimes it isn't, too.

This is one of the reasons I've come to rely on system image backup utilities as my technique of choice for restoring my system.  I'll still try System Restore first because it's easy and when it works it's great, but I never put my full trust in it.
 
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

David Moore
 

Hi Rose marie!

I use key board commands 99.5 percent of the time. However, I use a web site to watch free TV and Movies on, where those key commands will not work. Let us just say that .5 percent of the time, you must use the physical mouse. At work, that half of a percent might mean fulfilling a duty on your job. You need a feature there, only if you use it a few times a year. Those few times a year, might really get you out of a pickle.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I agree with you here. If a blind person can learn to navigate by using keyboard commands, then he or she should be able to get a job done more quickly and efficiently. For example, I sometimes listen to a station called the legend. I know where the listen link is so I just do the find command and type "listen" in the edit box and hit enter. I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

I don't know how efficient a mouse, used by a blind person, is in that circumstance.  But I question your assertion that it is more efficient than looking at the site skillfully using the keyboard.  You don't have to lookk at those top links.  One of the most important skilss for blind people to use the Internet skillfully is to skip them using headings or using the skip blocks of links command.  Also, if you have an idea what you are looking for, you can use find to search for a word you think would be likely or very likely to be on a page that deals with what you are looking for.  On pages I've never looked at before, I often am interested in the text below the links that are shown at the top.  I've seen blind people and read comments by blind people who waste enormous amounts of time tabbing through links or using the links list when techniques such as I've mentioned would be far better to use.  I haven't used a physical mouse but from my years of experience using the keyboard to navigate web pages I'm skeptical that its as or more efficient to use a mouse to find content or get an overview of the page.  then, too, there is the ability to skim by moving by paragraph on the main text of a page and reading the first or part of the first sentence of any paragraph desired.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Well, I'll disagree that it's pointless for someone who's totally blind to use the mouse with NVDA (or their finger on a laptop or all-in-one touch screen) to get a "quick and dirty" idea of what's on a given screen, particularly a webpage.

I've used that concept with a number of my clients who are trying to do web research and need to make quick decisions about whether a given webpage is something they need to dig in to further or can just chuck and move along to the next thing.  You can very often get a very good idea, and very quickly, about what's on a page using mouse navigation that's far more tedious to accomplish by looking at, say, the list of links on a page, of which there are always scads more "junk links" than content links and that a screen reader has to present, but that are strategically placed on a screen, usually at the very top margin or very bottom
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Using the Talking Boot CD

Andrea Sherry
 

Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is    Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

David Moore
 

That was not working either, to press the power button. I would have had to hold it down, to do a forced shut down. To me, if there is a half of a percent that you might use a feature, it is worth having it in a screen reader just for that .5 percent chance. I admit totally that I use the keyboard commands 99 percent of the time. However, the more back up features you have, the better. I watch TV on a free web site, that you just have to use the mouse. The key commands just do not work. This site is almost 0 accessibility, but that is what is so great about having that physical mouse back up. At work, this might make a difference for you to do a job. You might only use that physical mouse 1 percent of the time, but on a job, that 1 percent might come in handy. I hope NVDA never gets rid of it. Even VFO put this mouse echo into JAWS. They must have had a reason.

David Moore

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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

What is the default for just pressing the power button in Windows.  It's been so long since I've checked that I don't remember.  If the default is to shut down, theen just using the power buitton would have shut down the computer and you could then have booted again.  Much faster and more efficient than using the mouse.  There may be the occasion when using a physical mouse is the only or best means of doing something, but seldom.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

Ok that's a good use, well done!  I meant that it isn't usually the most efficient method of navigation.  Obviously in your case tonight, there weren't many other alternatives (short of having a spare keyboard lying around).

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:27 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Just tonight, my keyboard quit working on my laptop. I was able to move the mouse pointer with NVDA and right click on the start button, and I could use my touch pad until I heard NVDA say power, and I left clicked on that, and I was able to restart my computer. I did all of that with moving the mouse when the keyboard would not work. When my computer came back on, my key board worked great! So, I think that is a pretty good example of how I was able to move the mouse pointer around to get the job done. I practice a lot moving my fingers around the touch pad, and I can move the mouse to places where no keyboard commands will move the mouse pointer. I do not agree that totally blind users cannot benefit by using the mouse feature in NVDA and Narrator.

David Moore

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

 

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.


We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.


The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 

 

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 

 

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  

 

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

 

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer

 

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, which program are you referring to?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Hank,

 

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

 

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank





 

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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 01:17 pm, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
I frankly don't see what the purpose is for learning to use a physical mouse when you can do mouse equivilents using the keyboard. After all, we're not sighted.
I will repeat this one more time:

-  You will be encountering a wide variety of completely unfamiliar web pages where knowing what to use screen reader search for is simply not possible (at least at the outset and efficiently)

-  There are always webpages that, for whatever reason, you cannot get to something via "the usual keyboard methods."  If that's true for your primary and secondary screen reader then it only takes one time of "lets coast around the page in an orderly fashion to see if I can access . . ." and finding it that proves the value.

This has to do with using all the tools available to you in the most effective way for you.  You may hate mouse tracking as a general purpose utility, and that's fine, but I see far too many people, and particularly completely blind people, who adamantly refuse to believe it has any place.  It does, but perhaps not for you personally.
 
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Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

Thanks for understanding. Yes, JAWS 18 did include this feature. The reason why, is that if people run JAWS screenreader and Zoom Text magnifyer programs together, a blind user can hear what is under the mouse when using Zoom Text. Many users with low vision, can benefit with the magnification, and hearing what is under the mouse pointer at the same time. It is the same with running NVDA and Microsoft Magnifier. NVDA can speak what is under the mouse, and the MS magnifier can do its job.

I hope that NVDA never does away from speaking what is under the mouse pointer, because I use that a lot when the keyboard just will not get you to certain things in certain web sites. There is a web site that I stream a lot of free TV on, and I have to use the physical mouse on there. That sight is not one bit accessible with key commands, but with the physical mouse movement, I can watch movies and old TV shows totally free until my heart’s delight. Thanks, Gene, for advacating the physical mouse feature in NVDA. I hope that it will improve I just love the Golden cursor add on. There are key commands with it that tells you in pixel positions where you are on the screen, and you can save that position as a bookmark. I wish more people found the good in Golden Cursor, because I never want it to go. I may become a developer myself, if that is what it takes to keep some of these add ons going.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

hi David

 

I am with you i know what you mean.

 

there has been times where i have had to revert to a touch mouse either on the laptop or touch pad or even the physical mouse to get some thing done.

I think as long as you roughly map if it is on the desktop or a application where things are it can get you out of tricky problems just as you mentioned.

 

Some people who can not get there head around say object navigation to get to certain areas using the mouse can do it pretty quickly.

 

In the case of a web page the find command is quicker if you know the text string you are looking for for example tech in the find command to find a technology link. maybe the elements list will do it almost as quick.

 

Come to think of it when net flix first came to new zealand  to enable audio description I think in one case i used the mouse or a couple of times one to eenable audio description and to go back a page or 2 when the normal keyboard commands did not do any thing. it does have its place and having it speak what is under the mouse cursor is great.

 

if i remember right is this not a feature that jaws 18 just put in. to read under the mouse etc like nvda.

If it had no place why would they put that feature in.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/20/2017 9:27 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all,

Just tonight, my keyboard quit working on my laptop. I was able to move the mouse pointer with NVDA and right click on the start button, and I could use my touch pad until I heard NVDA say power, and I left clicked on that, and I was able to restart my computer. I did all of that with moving the mouse when the keyboard would not work. When my computer came back on, my key board worked great! So, I think that is a pretty good example of how I was able to move the mouse pointer around to get the job done. I practice a lot moving my fingers around the touch pad, and I can move the mouse to places where no keyboard commands will move the mouse pointer. I do not agree that totally blind users cannot benefit by using the mouse feature in NVDA and Narrator.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

 

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.


We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text.  NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer.  Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.


The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse.  Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know.  But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion. 

 

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers.  For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel.  I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout.  If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done.  but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode.  You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode.  You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer.  The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard.  I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work.  I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse.  But that's very different than scrolling.  You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point?  You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that. 

 

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll.  But again, why?  I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it.  But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.  

 

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: The Wolf

Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

 

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank

On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

 

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though?  It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

internet explorer

 

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Interesting, which program are you referring to?

 

 

 

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello

found this in a list of back logged emails

that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Hank,

 

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

 

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:

Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank





 

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Re: Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion

Arlene
 

That’s cause I put it there! Loll. Just kidding. That’s got to suck. If you turned it off and it’s still there. is there a way in the settings where you can really make sure it’s off? Did the settings get somehow changed and you did not know it?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: July-20-17 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I received an automatic update to my Windows 10 last night and now there is an annoying descending sound every time I delete a message in my Inbox. This was silent yesterday and I cannot find how to turn it off! It is not the warning for permanently deleting messages. I turned that off and it made no difference.

 

The sound also comes when I delete text from within a message.

 

The sound is interfering with NVDA and is most annoying. Any ideas?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 


Re: System restore

Gene
 

According to a knowledgeable tech on another list and according to Bleeping Computer, Erunt doesn't work well in Windows 10 and other programs should be used.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore

Well I have old erunt but weather that remains working or not is unknown
its not for win10 and its not been updated in ages.

I have not tried to restore a registry with it its for xp really but it
seems to back it up ok.




On 21/07/2017 9:58 a.m., Gene wrote:
> I'm not saying it's at all equivalent to a reversion program but if all you use is System Restore, you should have something else, whether it's adequate or not.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:20 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore
>
>
> That is good but if you uninstalled a program well then loaded another
> you may want to get that program or settings back.
>
> I to use a reg backup.
>
>
>
>
> On 21/07/2017 9:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> I have computers where System Restore works reliably in general, and I have one where it doesn't.  I'm not sure why.  But at a minimum, I think people should have a registry backup program if all they currently use is System Restore.  Even if it usually works reliably on a computer, you never know when something might happen.  On my Windows 7 machine, all my restore points were lost for unknown reasons.  I didn't have to run System Restore at that time, but I couldn't have if I had wanted or needed to.  So reliable operation isn't a guarantee of future reliability.  I'm saying that because some people might not want to use an imaging program but they might be willing to use something like a registry backup program.  I'm not recommending it but I'm saying that something should be used in addition to system restore even if it isn't adequate.
>>
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Brian Vogel
>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore
>>
>>
>> System Restore is notoriously flaky.  I love it when it works, but I've had way more than one occasion where it will not.  I've had others where I kept having to work my way in reverse chronological order from the most recent restore point until I finally hit one where the restore would work.
>>
>> This is only one of the reasons I strongly encourage my clients to obtain an external backup drive and take system image backups using the frequency metric "whenever I'd really want to tear my hair out to redo the work it's taken to get my system as it is now."   If you don't do a lot of software installation and/or removal the interval will be longer than for someone who's frequently tweaking their system.
>>
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