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Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

OK, I didn't realize it was that bad, but yes I have heard of stuff like that. It's atrocious in Vietnamese by the way. In that language, it says the words, but the tones and some of the phonemes themselves are absolutely atrocious. I hardly speak Vietnamese, and I can tell it's absolutely stunningly bad.

On Jul 21, 2017, at 00:53, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

Perhaps you do not have the language pack for that language installed on your machine?
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kara Goldfinch" <kara.louise18@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages


Hi all.
This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I have
noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support for some
languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly Arabic, Burmese
and Japanese.
The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules files are
missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The
Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter" with a
sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin characters
aren't affected.
Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who speaks these
languages could file a bug report.
I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
All the best,

Kara Goldfinch

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Re: .pdf readers

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Yes but how would it be able to get around those pdfs that have no reading order or formatting tags which often seems to be the default of most people?
Are you saying in effect that edge is OCRing all pdfs to present the document?
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From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers


Hi all!
I just want you to know, that I use Edge with NVDA to read PDF’s a lot, and Edge is better than even Adobe reader for reading PDF articles. Edge shows the entire article, and NVDA reads great. Once JAWS supports Edge, I believe that Edge will be a great solution for reading PDF’s. Any EPUB book can be read in Edge as well. So, Edge will be powerful once we have all of the accessibility for it.
David Moore
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

OCR programs like Openbook or Omnipage don't present PDF files in their original form. They recognize them as you would a page of text. It is an OCR recognition and isn't and won't be considered to be the original document. Plus, it will almost certainly have some recognition errors.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

there are only 3 solutions well 4 really that are worth mentioning 5 if
you count online.

1. adobe reader that can save to html and or text so in theory it
should work.

2. balabolka, or edsharp both should be able to read pdfs as text like
files.

3. pdf2txt, should be able to ripp files to bits even encripted files
though what you get back is unknown.

4. abbyy fine reader, never got this to work accessibly but it can read
so can omnipage, k1000, etc most ocr packagers.

5. google, while technically not a solution you can email the pdf to
yourself, convert to html and save the results.

6, some epub readers can read pdf and edge can though never try it.

Firefox and chrome may to but as I said never tried it.

There is also foxit but it never worked for me.




On 21/07/2017 8:33 a.m., George McCoy wrote:
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


Re: Using the Talking Boot CD

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So what you want to do is make the machine look at the dvd drive before it boots from the hard drive. Different motherboareds and bios chips do this in different ways. In some you need to held down certain keys when you switch on on others it forces a menu when you do this and yet again you have to enter the bios and change the actual boot order.
I cannot advise as at these points its over to a pair of eyes normally.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Sherry" <sherryan@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using the Talking Boot CD


Have a Windows 10 pro 64 bit system.

Have latest NVDA.

When I attempt to boot from CD the system just goes in to windows.

My motherboard is Asus B150M-A D.

Is there something I must do at bootup which will permit me to start the cd?

Andrea


Re: Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion

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I'm sure even in universal (silly name for inaccessible code) there has to be an option to disable or alter the sounds.
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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message deletion


That's cause I put it there! Loll. Just kidding. That's got to suck. If you
turned it off and it's still there. is there a way in the settings where you
can really make sure it's off? Did the settings get somehow changed and you
did not know it?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: July-20-17 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Latest Windows update has put an annoying sound for message
deletion



Hi, Quentin,



I received an automatic update to my Windows 10 last night and now there is
an annoying descending sound every time I delete a message in my Inbox. This
was silent yesterday and I cannot find how to turn it off! It is not the
warning for permanently deleting messages. I turned that off and it made no
difference.



The sound also comes when I delete text from within a message.



The sound is interfering with NVDA and is most annoying. Any ideas?

All the best,



Cearbhall



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Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

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Perhaps you do not have the language pack for that language installed on your machine?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages


Hi all.
This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I have
noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support for some
languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly Arabic, Burmese
and Japanese.
The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules files are
missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The
Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter" with a
sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin characters
aren't affected.
Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who speaks these
languages could file a bug report.
I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
All the best,

Kara Goldfinch

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Re: System restore

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Well it can be any version of windows in my experience and sometimes its clobbered by some piece of software and sometimes the cause is perhaps bad uninstalls of software by a user ho just deletes folders. Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


Hi Brian,
Thanks for the info. So would you say that this is an issue with Windows 10 and not any indevidual programs in the computer?
Thanks
Chris


Re: System restore

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Yes it creates the restore point saves registry and othe files when the point is created. When you try a restore it then looks at the index of the restore point you specifies and puts things back as they were, but does not alter certain files at all.
When I see this problem it often happens when somebody has done a restore already, then tries to do another one.
I'm not entirely sure why this sometimes fails, but it usually fails in such a way that you get back what you went in with, ie no half finished jobs.
Another thing to note is that sometimes other software like anti virus need to be off when making a restore point and off when restoring. Sadly AVG seems to be a culprit here, its annoying as it does not actually tell you. Maybe they have fixed this, but now I just use Microsoft's stuff and superantispyware run on my whim.
Other than that also ask yourself has any restore actually worked, could it be due to the hidden partition and registry for restoring the system to factory settings.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] System restore


I don't see why a screen-reader would cause problems with system restore. To rule in or out your hypothesis, you can try running it with Narrator or with some other screen-reader like JAWS or a JAWS demo. But my impression, from having used System Restore in XP and Windows 7 is that before System Restore makes changes to the system, it unloads Windows and system restore does most of what it does when Windows isn't running.

Gene
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From: Chris Shook
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] System restore


Hi,
I have a quick question.
I recently tried to perform a system restore and I got the following method.
"System restore did not complete successfully. System restore could not
restore the directory at the restore point."
I have tried to contact Microsoft, but I seem to be lead around and in circles.
I am currently running Windows 10 version 1703 OS build 15063.
Would NVDA cause this issue? I've had the same problem on two different
computers.
Is anyone else having this problem?
I am sorry for posting here, but I didn't know where else to turn.
Thanks
Chris


Re: .pdf readers

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Unfortunately, as I have found many many times, if the document creator has not actually tagged the file for its changes in reading order or indentation to be spoken, then no amount of clever screenreading or extracting the text is going to fix it. I've most certainly downloaded BBC pdfs that have been extremely well tagged and the formatting is if anything over verbose if you interogate it.
I'm not sure why pdf creation software does not try to prompt the creator to tag them as a matter of course.
To show how bad they can be, here in the uk we have several train operators and I've yet to find any of their downloadable documents to read without scrambling up the columns. they just don't get it and say in their emails, well it looks ok on my screen.
Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers


Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George


Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

 

yes.
i observed this behaviour unfortunately in many websites that have
links with discription.
this problem is not specific for this site.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
it looks to me as though you may have found a bug in NVDA or improper coding
on the web page. The first link is read but then you hear the word link and
the link immediately after the first link is also read. If you move
manually to the next link, you hear the same thing. Why turning off link
announcement changes this behavior, I don't know. I doubt the behavior
changes on web pages in general. If you have seen the change to any extent
other than on this web site, let us know.

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


test with reporting links checked and unchecked.
for example: open this link using firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1268544

press h many times to go to the headings and find comment1.
press k when reporting links is activated.
you hear link number and its discription.
while the link which i sent is open, unchecked reporting links.
do the steps which i mentioned and press k after finding comment1!
observed behaviour: nvda only says the number of link which is 1268544.
excepted behaviour: i wish that hear the discription of link after its
number like when reporting links is activated!
because i always checked report object discription and when i navigate
using k letter, i wish that hear the discription of links!

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links? I don't
know
what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what
you
mean. But links often are essential parts of information. For example,
when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at
times other parts of the actual text are links. If that is what you are
describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link
at
every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change
so
that the text of the link is read. You can hear the text without the
word
link being spoken.

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and
programmers
please help me!


yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but
underlying
code? I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
cases. There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else. I
have
always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize
or
read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA
reads
html code in such cases.

If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected
by
dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing. I'm no expert on
security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web
page
while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious
web
sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious
images,
I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use. Many sites
require
JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things
like
read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
support off. Also, I find most of the time that links that are just
read
as
the word link are unnecessary to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


hello every one.
in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
not work in the way that i want.
i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
recieve helpful solution!
i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
to know all discriptions about different elements.
but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
only link and not its discription!
i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you every day.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Error message

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Hmm, there was a thread about something like a modal error box or window blocking all similar items from opening until it can be closed. This is a Windows thing.

I think at the moment you will need to find what is generating that box and even if it means letting a sighted person on, get it so its banished and then you can sort nvda out.
Brian

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From: "Darrin Reid via Groups.Io" <dkr1717@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error message


I don't want to use this voice. I am simply trying to get back to the default settings. Can you tell me how to get back to the default settings when I can't bring up the interface?

Darrin Reid

On Jul 20, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Control NVDA key r doesn't open anything. If you have changed settings in NVDA and not permanently saved the changes, control NVDA key r reverts NVDA to the permanently saved settings.

I don't know what voice you are using now. Assumedly, since the voice you are trying to use isn't being allowed to run, the voice now in your permanently saved settings is reading the message. Control NVDA key r only might help if, for some reason, you tried to load a voice and it didn't load properly, resulting in you loosing speech. Since you hadn't yet made the new voice permanent, control NVDA key r would revert to the old voice because it reverts to the permanently saved settings.

The first answer said that if the voice is restricted, only allowed to read with a certain program, then you can't use it with NVDA. Is this an unrestricted voice that you purchased to be able to run with any program that can run it? If so, considering the lack of responses, it sounds as though its time to call technical support. You may have to go into the actual voice program itself and authorize it. It sounds as though you are ggetting an error message that the voice needs to be authorized but it's just an error message. It doesn't offer fields you can use to authorize the voice. it is just an information message about what the problem is. That's how it sounds to me. You may need to call techhnical support to verify that and find out how to authorize the voice from within the voice software.

Gene
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From: Darrin Reid via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error message

Do you have any other suggestions? I tried what you said, but it did not work. Every time I hit any key, the error message window keeps popping open. When I click the, OK button, on the window, it eventually goes away. No matter how quickly I hit the NVDA+ctrl+r, it will not open up the interface window.

Darrin Reid

On Jul 19, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Darrin,

It sounds like you are trying to use a TTS voice which is licensed to another program? NVDA will let you use any standard SAPI TTS and many others, but some voices are locked to specific programs. If you are trying to use a TTS voice you got with another program, it may not work with NVDA, even though NVDA will let you select it. In that case, you need to choose another voice. If you get stuck, press NVDA+control+r to restore the saved configuration or NVDA+control+r three times quickly to restore NVDA to factory default settings (note that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA won't fix this as the configuration settings are not deleted).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Darrin Reid via Groups.Io <dkr1717@...> wrote:
This is the error message that I am getting. It is preventing me from using the application. I am working on a windows 10 desktop. How do I fix the following message.
"you need a password to use this true voice speech

Once I click on the, OK button, I never get the opportunity to put in a password. Every time I launch the program, this is the error message that I keep getting. Please, help! engine"

Darrin Reid




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Re: Error message

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Yes and he might need to use Narrator for that job at least at the moment.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error message


Control NVDA key r doesn't open anything. If you have changed settings in NVDA and not permanently saved the changes, control NVDA key r reverts NVDA to the permanently saved settings.

I don't know what voice you are using now. Assumedly, since the voice you are trying to use isn't being allowed to run, the voice now in your permanently saved settings is reading the message. Control NVDA key r only might help if, for some reason, you tried to load a voice and it didn't load properly, resulting in you loosing speech. Since you hadn't yet made the new voice permanent, control NVDA key r would revert to the old voice because it reverts to the permanently saved settings.

The first answer said that if the voice is restricted, only allowed to read with a certain program, then you can't use it with NVDA. Is this an unrestricted voice that you purchased to be able to run with any program that can run it? If so, considering the lack of responses, it sounds as though its time to call technical support. You may have to go into the actual voice program itself and authorize it. It sounds as though you are ggetting an error message that the voice needs to be authorized but it's just an error message. It doesn't offer fields you can use to authorize the voice. it is just an information message about what the problem is. That's how it sounds to me. You may need to call techhnical support to verify that and find out how to authorize the voice from within the voice software.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrin Reid via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Error message


Do you have any other suggestions? I tried what you said, but it did not work. Every time I hit any key, the error message window keeps popping open. When I click the, OK button, on the window, it eventually goes away. No matter how quickly I hit the NVDA+ctrl+r, it will not open up the interface window.

Darrin Reid

On Jul 19, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:


Hi Darrin,

It sounds like you are trying to use a TTS voice which is licensed to another program? NVDA will let you use any standard SAPI TTS and many others, but some voices are locked to specific programs. If you are trying to use a TTS voice you got with another program, it may not work with NVDA, even though NVDA will let you select it. In that case, you need to choose another voice. If you get stuck, press NVDA+control+r to restore the saved configuration or NVDA+control+r three times quickly to restore NVDA to factory default settings (note that uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA won't fix this as the configuration settings are not deleted).


Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:57 AM, Darrin Reid via Groups.Io <dkr1717@...> wrote:

This is the error message that I am getting. It is preventing me from using the application. I am working on a windows 10 desktop. How do I fix the following message.
"you need a password to use this true voice speech

Once I click on the, OK button, I never get the opportunity to put in a password. Every time I launch the program, this is the error message that I keep getting. Please, help! engine"

Darrin Reid









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Re: mail app not opening

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Well its not so much they don't care it is as we all know the usual issue of not enough testing.
I guess when major updates will be charged for people will just opt out and just get security updates.
I also think its very dangerous them improving Narrator as its awfully tempting to them to just test that things work in that not realising or maybe caring that for some third party software their built in solution won't cut it.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@...>
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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

I have always found the fact that Microsoft does things in Windows ten
without giving us the chance of declining changes a real pain, every
major update has brought more niggles and most have been to do with
accessibility in some respect, Microsoft give scant attention to
accessability.
I used to think it was my system, but I have heard so many others
finding odd things happening that I feel that Microsoft have not given
us much
thought with their intrusive attitude to our systems, I am glad that my
main system is still Windows seven and my Windows ten is just for
experimentation.
I did try to ignore the creators update, but it got me in the end
without my permission.


Best Regards, Jim.
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well I use Outlook Express but it did work in 10, but when a major
update is
due you have to reinstall it as Microsoft don't like you using it.
I don't know if Live mail is affected in the same way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


I don't have Windows 10. As far as I know, the only problem with using
Windows Live Mail in Windows 10 is that when writing messages or
replying,
etc. you can't read what you have written unless you leave and return to
the
window. This can be done very conveniently and quickly by pressing alt
to
move to the ribbons, then pressing alt again to move back to the window
you
were in. I can't say whether the app is worth using. I've never used
it so
I don't know how it compares in terms of convenience.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Since the anniversary edition, [I believe], my mail app is not opening,
I
believe there is a fairly simple way of sorting this by deleting the app
data, however, the mail app does not appear in my app data, any ideas
please?

All was working and then stopped , mind you the calander part of it didn’t
seem to work.
Is it worth persevering with this, iif not, is anyone still using Live
mail
with Windows ten?
Comments appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: using physical mouse with nvda?

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Ithink it depends on whether you have a mental picture of how things are, and also how good you are at themotor control of your finger. I also feel that some mouse pads are better than others in how easy they are to use. Unfortunately, I always turn mine off as it is so easy to touch it when you do not want to. they should put a simple toggle on this I think as I often hear sighted people cursing things when they touch it while typing in!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Moore" <jesusloves1966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?


Hi all,
Just tonight, my keyboard quit working on my laptop. I was able to move the mouse pointer with NVDA and right click on the start button, and I could use my touch pad until I heard NVDA say power, and I left clicked on that, and I was able to restart my computer. I did all of that with moving the mouse when the keyboard would not work. When my computer came back on, my key board worked great! So, I think that is a pretty good example of how I was able to move the mouse pointer around to get the job done. I practice a lot moving my fingers around the touch pad, and I can move the mouse to places where no keyboard commands will move the mouse pointer. I do not agree that totally blind users cannot benefit by using the mouse feature in NVDA and Narrator.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

As Gene noted, there is little reason for a totally blind user to use the mouse, both because without being able to see where you are moving, it is very hard to get it exactly where you need, and often it is easier to use the keyboard to jump to particular elements.

If there is a specific page you are having trouble accessing that you can post the URL for here, I can have a look and try and give some pointers.

We do have a few low vision users who might have enough sight to use the mouse to get to a particular page and point on a page, but then rely on NVDA to read the text. NVDA can read the text under the mouse pointer. Press NVDA+m to toggle mouse tracking on or off - when on, it will read the text under the mouse pointer as you move the mouse.

The review cursor and object navigation can often be used to get to parts of the screen that regular navigation may not work with, and there are NVDA commands to click the left or right mouse buttons, but usually these are used as workarounds when other navigation fails in a particular instance.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll give you my perspective as a blind user who hasn't used a physical mouse. Perhaps some people will disagree, I don't know. But my comments may help clarify matters or lead to more clarifying discussion.

I suspect that you are trying to use the mouse in ways that are not intended by NVDA designers. For example, in all the years I've been on this list, I've never heard of blind users using the scroll wheel. I've heard of people moving around the screen with a mouse to get the layout. If you want to use the mouse to get an idea of how a screen is laid out, that can evidently be done. but NVDA is intended for blind users primarily to be used from the keyboardwhen using browse mode. You are not interacting with a web page directly when you use browse mode. You are interacting with a reformatted version of the page in the MSAA or whatever it's called now, buffer. The whole point is to move as though there is a cursor using the keyboard. I've been told by a friend that sighted relatives and readers can't use the Internet while her screen-reader is active because the virtual PC cursor, the same thing as browse mode, makes usual ways of doing things, such as scrolling, however it is attempted with a mouse, not work. I've heard of numerous instances where blind people move around one screen, the current one, when using a browser and a mouse. But that's very different than scrolling. You could probably scroll if you turn off browse mode but what's the point? You can't read as intended with a screen-reader if you do that.

In other programs, such as Microsoft Word or programs that don't use browse mode, I would imagine you could scroll. But again, why? I've wondered now and then, if I've found a control I can't work with on an Internet page from the keyboard if I could do so by using a mouse to click on it. But that's completely different from scrolling and trying somehow to read with a mouse.

One question is what it makes sense to do with a physical mouse as a blind person and another question is technically, in browse mode, what can you do not just with NVDA but with any screen-reader that uses browse mode?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using physical mouse with nvda?

ah
that would explain why iy wasn't talking to me when I was trying to scroll down a page.
can you suggest a rpogram that can let me scroll down using the mouse?
I am trying to get the hang of using a mouse its totally forin to me.
also I am totally blind
thanks
Hank
On 7/19/2017 9:16 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I can use the mouse wheel to scroll in Internet Explorer, at least on Windows 10.

Do you mean have the mouse wheel move the focus for NVDA though? It doesn't currently do that - what I can do is use the mouse wheel to smoothly scroll the page visually.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:59 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
internet explorer

On 7/19/2017 8:40 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Interesting, which program are you referring to?



On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:14 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello
found this in a list of back logged emails
that I have saved.
when I do use the mouse to scroll down using the program with nvda not running then it scrolls when nvda is running it does not.
Hank

On 3/20/2017 3:54 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Hank,

Silly question, but does the mouse wheel scroll down in the program you are using if NVDA is not running?

I have enough sight to use the mouse as well, and I find sometimes, particularly on say the web, I will grab the mouse if I do want to scroll down and read something further down because I can use the scroll wheel for that.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...> wrote:
Hello this may sound like a odd question but how do you make the weel on the mouse to scroll down? when I try to use the mouse with nvda the weel on the mouse doesn't do anything.

thanks

Hank








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Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

Gene
 

it looks to me as though you may have found a bug in NVDA or improper coding on the web page.  The first link is read but then you hear the word link and the link immediately after the first link is also read.  If you move manually to the next link, you hear the same thing.  Why turning off link announcement changes this behavior, I don't know.  I doubt the behavior changes on web pages in general.  If you have seen the change to any extent other than on this web site, let us know.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

test with reporting links checked and unchecked.
for example: open this link using firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1268544

press h many times to go to the headings and find comment1.
press k when reporting links is activated.
you hear link number and its discription.
while the link which i sent is open, unchecked reporting links.
do the steps which i mentioned and press k after finding comment1!
observed behaviour: nvda only says the number of link which is 1268544.
excepted behaviour: i wish that hear the discription of link after its
number like when reporting links is activated!
because i always checked report object discription and when i navigate
using k letter, i wish that hear the discription of links!

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links?  I don't know
> what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what you
> mean.  But links often are essential parts of information.  For example,
> when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at
> times other parts of the actual text are links.  If that is what you are
> describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link at
> every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change so
> that the text of the link is read.  You can hear the text without the word
> link being spoken.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
> please help me!
>
>
> yes.
> i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
> for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
> for usual cases, i deactivate it.
>
> i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
> i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
> and i use k for navigating between links.
>
> On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying
>> code?  I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
>> cases.  There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else.  I have
>> always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize
>> or
>> read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA
>> reads
>> html code in such cases.
>>
>> If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
>> dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected
>> by
>> dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing.  I'm no expert on
>> security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page
>> while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious
>> web
>> sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious
>> images,
>> I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
>> have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use.  Many sites
>> require
>> JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things
>> like
>> read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
>> support off.  Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read
>> as
>> the word link are unnecessary to use.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nasrin khaksar
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
>> please help me!
>>
>>
>> hello every one.
>> in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
>> i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
>> but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
>> some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
>> not work in the way that i want.
>> i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
>> but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
>> recieve helpful solution!
>> i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
>> to know all discriptions about different elements.
>> but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
>> only link and not its discription!
>> i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
>> unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
>> i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
>> you every day.
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

 

i deactivating all things in document formatting except clickable and
i am very comfortable reading my books and sites!
but the only problem are the links with discription and i wish that
hear the discription when i navigate by link.

On 7/21/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
test with reporting links checked and unchecked.
for example: open this link using firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1268544

press h many times to go to the headings and find comment1.
press k when reporting links is activated.
you hear link number and its discription.
while the link which i sent is open, unchecked reporting links.
do the steps which i mentioned and press k after finding comment1!
observed behaviour: nvda only says the number of link which is 1268544.
excepted behaviour: i wish that hear the discription of link after its
number like when reporting links is activated!
because i always checked report object discription and when i navigate
using k letter, i wish that hear the discription of links!

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links? I don't
know
what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what
you
mean. But links often are essential parts of information. For example,
when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at
times other parts of the actual text are links. If that is what you are
describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link
at
every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change
so
that the text of the link is read. You can hear the text without the
word
link being spoken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and
programmers
please help me!


yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but
underlying
code? I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
cases. There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else. I
have
always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize
or
read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA
reads
html code in such cases.

If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected
by
dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing. I'm no expert on
security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web
page
while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious
web
sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious
images,
I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use. Many sites
require
JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things
like
read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
support off. Also, I find most of the time that links that are just
read
as
the word link are unnecessary to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


hello every one.
in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
not work in the way that i want.
i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
recieve helpful solution!
i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
to know all discriptions about different elements.
but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
only link and not its discription!
i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you every day.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

 

test with reporting links checked and unchecked.
for example: open this link using firefox.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1268544

press h many times to go to the headings and find comment1.
press k when reporting links is activated.
you hear link number and its discription.
while the link which i sent is open, unchecked reporting links.
do the steps which i mentioned and press k after finding comment1!
observed behaviour: nvda only says the number of link which is 1268544.
excepted behaviour: i wish that hear the discription of link after its
number like when reporting links is activated!
because i always checked report object discription and when i navigate
using k letter, i wish that hear the discription of links!

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links? I don't know
what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what you
mean. But links often are essential parts of information. For example,
when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at
times other parts of the actual text are links. If that is what you are
describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link at
every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change so
that the text of the link is read. You can hear the text without the word
link being spoken.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying
code? I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
cases. There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else. I have
always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize
or
read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA
reads
html code in such cases.

If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected
by
dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing. I'm no expert on
security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page
while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious
web
sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious
images,
I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use. Many sites
require
JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things
like
read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
support off. Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read
as
the word link are unnecessary to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


hello every one.
in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
not work in the way that i want.
i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
recieve helpful solution!
i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
to know all discriptions about different elements.
but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
only link and not its discription!
i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you every day.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

Gene
 

I'll add that at this point, I'm not sure what you are describing.  If I turn off announce links in document formatting and if I turn off object description in object presentation, I still hear the text of links except for those I spoke of before, where NVDA doesn't read anything regardless of how these settings are set.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links?  I don't know what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what you mean.  But links often are essential parts of information.  For example, when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at times other parts of the actual text are links.  If that is what you are describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link at every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change so that the text of the link is read.  You can hear the text without the word link being spoken. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying
> code?  I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
> cases.  There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else.  I have
> always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize or
> read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA reads
> html code in such cases.
>
> If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
> dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected by
> dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing.  I'm no expert on
> security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page
> while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious web
> sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious images,
> I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
> have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use.  Many sites require
> JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things like
> read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
> support off.  Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read as
> the word link are unnecessary to use.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
> please help me!
>
>
> hello every one.
> in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
> i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
> but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
> some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
> not work in the way that i want.
> i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
> but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
> recieve helpful solution!
> i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
> to know all discriptions about different elements.
> but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
> only link and not its discription!
> i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
> unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
> i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
> you every day.
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

Gene
 

Are you saying you don't hear anything but link on all links?  I don't know what setting may cause the behavior you are describing if that is what you mean.  But links often are essential parts of information.  For example, when you are reading an article, often names of people are links and at times other parts of the actual text are links.  If that is what you are describing, that links are not read and that you only hear the word link at every link, you will have to change whatever setting you need to change so that the text of the link is read.  You can hear the text without the word link being spoken. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying
> code?  I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
> cases.  There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else.  I have
> always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize or
> read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA reads
> html code in such cases.
>
> If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
> dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected by
> dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing.  I'm no expert on
> security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page
> while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious web
> sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious images,
> I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
> have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use.  Many sites require
> JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things like
> read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
> support off.  Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read as
> the word link are unnecessary to use.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
> please help me!
>
>
> hello every one.
> in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
> i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
> but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
> some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
> not work in the way that i want.
> i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
> but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
> recieve helpful solution!
> i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
> to know all discriptions about different elements.
> but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
> only link and not its discription!
> i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
> unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
> i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
> you every day.
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

 

yes.
i deactivated javascript and only activate it when its necessary.
for example: when i cant write comment without it or sometimes in gmail.
for usual cases, i deactivate it.

i am not sure whether such links have image or not, but i am sure that
i dont recieve there discription when reporting links is not checked
and i use k for navigating between links.

On 7/21/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying
code? I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such
cases. There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else. I have
always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize or
read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA reads
html code in such cases.

If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following
dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected by
dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing. I'm no expert on
security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page
while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious web
sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious images,
I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I
have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use. Many sites require
JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things like
read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script
support off. Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read as
the word link are unnecessary to use.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers
please help me!


hello every one.
in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
not work in the way that i want.
i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
recieve helpful solution!
i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
to know all discriptions about different elements.
but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
only link and not its discription!
i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you every day.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

Gene
 

Do you mean things like image links where there is nothing but underlying code?  I don't think there is any way to control what NVDA says in such cases.  There are links I hear as the word link and nothing else.  I have always assumed that that means that there is nothing NVDA can recognize or read other than the underlying code of the link and I don't think NVDA reads html code in such cases. 
 
If you turn off JAVA script support if you are worried about following dangerous links, I think you will have cut the danger of being infected by dangerous links to either nothing or close to nothing.  I'm no expert on security so I may be wrong but I have never been infected from a web page while having JAVA script support off and when I've read of how malicious web sites infect machines, my impression is that it is through malicious images, I have automatically download images off or through JAVA script, which I have off unless I'm using a site I need support to use.  Many sites require JAVA script but you'd be surprised, if your intent is just to do things like read articles, how many sites will allow you to do that with JAVA script support off.  Also, I find most of the time that links that are just read as the word link are unnecessary to use. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] reading links with nvda: nvda developers and programmers please help me!

hello every one.
in previous months, i posted that i wanted to nvda only says link when
i am navigating by links or at least navigating with arrow keys.
but i dont want to hear link in many lines which i read using sayAll!
some people suggested me trigger and i could not understand and it did
not work in the way that i want.
i decided to deactivate reporting links in document formatting.
but i only have one problem even in this way and i sincerely wish to
recieve helpful solution!
i also have report object discription in object presentation checked
to know all discriptions about different elements.
but when i navigating between links using k letter, nvda only says
only link and not its discription!
i wish that hear discription of links that accidentally dont open
unnecessary and even maybe dangerous links!
i realy sincerely pray for you and request divine infinite mercy for
you every day.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


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