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Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

It sounds to me like someone's marked up the document or paragraphs to be in those languages, and NVDA's picking up on it because of the "automatic language switching" option in voice settings.

Try turning that option off and reading them again.


Kara

On 22/07/2017 10:51, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I've just been having some issues with the English Espeak today. In some pdfs and word documents some words get spoken as if the language of the synth has suddenly changed to French or Spanish, so normal words read  on other synths sound well foreign. If only I could come up with a sure fire way of demonstrating this, I'd raise a ticket, as it may well be related in that if some code in the file is changing the actual way nvda is interacting with characters when its not supposed to, its going to create problems. of course it could be that nvda is outputting illegal characters to the synths and some just ignore these but espeak uses them. This might be something as simple as the bit mask for changes in a variable is not correct so higher bits are read in inappropriate  situations.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kara Goldfinch" <kara.louise18@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages


Hi Quentin,

Similar issues appear in 2017.2. The only changes being that the
Japanese voice says Japanese or Chinese letter using the British English
voice, and the Burmese one reads what I Assume are the Unicode character
values rather than stringing random phonemes together.

Brian, I have Firefox set to display Unicode characters so they do
display correctly. If not, they would display as random symbols.


Kara
On 21/07/2017 13:52, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We recently moved to an updated build of eSpeak NG in snapshot builds
to fix another issue I can't recall off the top of my head.  If those
who've seen this issue could please confirm that it works as expected
in NVDA stable 2017.2?

In any case, we'll look into it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@... <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:

    espeak is the best synthesizer and i wish that it supports all
    languages without problem!

    On 7/21/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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    > There are two distinct issues. Do you have the language pack in
    the machine,
    >
    > which is what causes the Chinese letter messages etc, and a
    synth with the
    > right phonemes for other more difficult languages. Often the
    sounds that
    > Latin languages need are just not enough to create oriental and
    Arabic ones
    >
    > according to my fiends who speak them.
    >  I suppose this is why you often need a special synth designed
    to do it
    > correctly.
    >  Brian
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    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...
    <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>>
    > To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
    > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:17 AM
    > Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages
    >
    >
    >> hello.
    >> i speak persian.
    >> but i tested arabic and japanese in espeak ng and confirm your
    message.
    >> also, when i tested japanese language, nvda only told japanese and
    >> chinese letter.
    >> and with japanese language, nvda reads even english message and
    >> document letter by letter, not complete sentence!
    >> also, its arabic is completely ununderstandable.
    >> i realy need arabic free tts and nvda espeak sometimes reads arabic
    >> letter by letter and sometimes very wrong pronunciation and also
    >> sometimes completely ununderstandable words with very bad
    quality and
    >> not clear!
    >> thanks very very much for your reporting and God bless you!
    >>
    >> On 7/21/17, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...
    <mailto:kara.louise18@...>> wrote:
    >>> Hi all.
    >>> This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I
    have
    >>> noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support
    for some
    >>> languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly
    Arabic, Burmese
    >>> and Japanese.
    >>> The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules
    files are
    >>> missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The
    >>> Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter"
    with a
    >>> sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
    >>> As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin
    characters
    >>> aren't affected.
    >>> Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who
    speaks these
    >>> languages could file a bug report.
    >>> I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
    >>> All the best,
    >>>
    >>> Kara Goldfinch
    >>>
    >>> Certified Expert NVDA Certified Expert logo
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    >>>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
    >> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
    >> in the very authentic narration is:
    >> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
    >> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
    >> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


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    imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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    al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>






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Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

The Gamages
 

I don't know is the answer to that, a friend who actually clicked on the
settings stuff got nowhere,he wasn't asked to do anything with them, so
it seemed a pointless exercise, maybe Windows itself wants to look so
that they don't make too much of a mess of it when they try to update?,
[smile].
I didn't do anything and got the creators update anyway.



Best Regards, Jim.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get
is
that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want
to
now or later etc.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


This sounds like the message that you get prior to the creators
update,
it wants to check your security settings, I ignored this several times
but it still zapped me in the end.



Best Regards, Jim.
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Subject: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

Windows logo
Don't wait-review your privacy settings to get ready for the next
update
It doesn't take long. But if you're not ready to do it right now, we
can
postpone this one last time.
.
We want you to have the latest update so that Windows runs smoothly.
.
We'll save your settings and notify you before the update starts. It
won't
happen immediately.
Review settingsBackground

So I am assuming this is the latest mega update of 10, but what is all
this
about settings? In my experience the update has just been go ahead or
not
now.
Brian
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Re: Some questions related to highlights and comments in pdf files as well as footnotes in Word

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Well, first off, footnotes are exactly that, notes that appear at the foot of the page (or in some cases, at the end of the document).  These aren't supposed to be read inline with the rest of the text, it's a design that has been around since the printed word has existed.  Even sighted folks reading documents have to click on the footnote, read it, then return to the text, this is normal, and expected behavior.  What you're asking for is a departure from this standard behavior, and I know of no way to accomplish it, though I'm sure it's been done at some time or other.  As to your other questions, I have had very little success working directly with pdf files to obtain comments, (or to add them as well).  I am not a fan of pdf files for this (and other) reason(s), but folks have to use what's on tap, whether it's convenient or not so using workarounds are the order of the day.  If others have solutions for the comments problem, I too would like to ehar them.  I almost always wind up converting the pdf to some other format before I can do anything useful with them, especially on windows.  I've had better success on OSX, but I'm guessing that isn't an option here.


On 7/22/2017 3:22 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello list!
I'm doing some research for someone regarding accessible pdf and Word documents with NVDA, and some questions came up which I thought I'd post here in case anyone has an idea or a suggestion. I'm not an experienced Word user except very basic procedures, and not a pdf expert either, so here goes:
In Word, I can't seem to find a way to have footnotes read within the flow of text. That is, the position of the footnote is announced but not the footnote text itself within context. The affected user can of course navigate to the footnote then return to the textual context but she would like to switch to the mode of operation I just described.
In pdf files, it seems a highlight is indicated with a button which has the state of "reduced." When expanded by hitting enter on it, it turns into an empty text edit field. Also, the actual highlighted text seems to be skipped in the flow of reading.
Comments in pdfs also seem problematic. They appear as edit fields in the text, but when hitting enter on them I can't get to their contents. Rather, my arrowing is passed directly through to Adobe Reader and triggers navigation within the document.
Constructive ideas very much appreciated as the user requires the functionality for her studies.
Thanks in advance and kind regards,
Felix


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Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


This sounds like the message that you get prior to the creators update,
it wants to check your security settings, I ignored this several times
but it still zapped me in the end.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

Windows logo
Don't wait-review your privacy settings to get ready for the next update
It doesn't take long. But if you're not ready to do it right now, we can
postpone this one last time.
.
We want you to have the latest update so that Windows runs smoothly.
.
We'll save your settings and notify you before the update starts. It
won't
happen immediately.
Review settingsBackground

So I am assuming this is the latest mega update of 10, but what is all
this
about settings? In my experience the update has just been go ahead or
not
now.
Brian
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Re: Strange computer behaviour

 

My browser is Firefox. My daughter used the mouse on my laptop
recently, but she is away for the weekend so I have noone to tell me
what's on the screen when I press enter or spacebar to open a link.
Nevzat

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What browser is it and have you hada a mouse weilding sighted person near it

recently?
It might be interesting to find out what the log is saying when you press
enter on its own or space bar, which I tend to use for most links these
days.
Brian

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From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Strange computer behaviour


Hello group,
My computer has been acting somewhat strange lately and I m not sure
if this is Windows or NVDA related.
1. When Windows is updating NVDA stop speaking and I have no idea
what's going on.
2. Startin today my laptop would not open a link with just enter but
need to press control+enter.
Any ideas why this is happening and is there a fix?
Nevzat






Re: .pdf readers

Gene
 

No OCR recognized PDF document is the original document.  Whether this matters depending on what you are doing is a different question, but for legal purposes, the OCR document is not the actual document and if you are sharing the document with others for colaborative work, it isn't the original document either. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacques
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] .pdf readers

Hi, although QRead is a neat little program, it does not retain format,
quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF
which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very
well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead
will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when
that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the
best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those
which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously
mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty
accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format.

On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote:
> George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving
> formats.
>
> At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
>> Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody.  I’ll check
>> them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
>>
>> Georgwe
>>
>> *From:* George McCoy <mailto:slr1bpz@...>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> *Subject:* [nvda] .pdf readers
>>
>> Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I
>> need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
>> Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they
>> contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left
>> margin.
>> I converted the document to various formats with three different
>> converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
>>
>> Thanks very much,
>> George
>>
>> John
>>
>>



Re: .pdf readers

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi, although QRead is a neat little program, it does not retain format, quite to the contrary. If you need a application that will read a PDF which is not image-based, and format is not an issue, QRead works very well though. I've seen Tweets suggesting that a future release of QRead will be able to do OCR on image-based PDF's, but no indication on when that will be available. Based on what I currently have installed, the best way to get access to correctly formatted PDF's, especially those which are image-based, Fine Reader does the best job. As previously mentioned on the list, KNFB Reader for Windows is quick and pretty accurate, but it makes an absolute mess of the format.

On 22/07/2017 13:57, john s wrote:
George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving formats.
At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody. I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.

Georgwe

*From:* George McCoy <mailto:slr1bpz@charter.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] .pdf readers

Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA? I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.

Thanks very much,
George

John


Re: .pdf readers

john s
 

George, I think QRead reads pdf files but I don't know about preserving formats.


At 10:04 PM 7/21/2017, you wrote:
Thanks very much for the great suggestions, everydody.  I’ll check them all out and see if any of them eet my needs.
 
Georgwe
 
From: George McCoy
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] .pdf readers
 
Is there a pdf reader other than Adobe Reader that works with NVDA?  I need one that preserves the document format including indentions.
Visual inspection of the documents in Adobe Reader reveals that they contain indented lines but NVDA says that all lines are at the left margin.
I converted the document to various formats with three different converters and in no case does the output show indented lines.
 
Thanks very much,
George

                 John


Re: Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hi to all. I know nothing about how to make computer programs like
NVDA work and nothing about python. However, I say any change to NVDA
can only make it a better screenreader. Best of Luck Joseph to the
project. If I knew how to use python I'd do my best to help. Keep up
the good work.

On 7/22/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks for good news joseph and brian.
do you continue supporting of xp?
i became worried when i read the message for the first time.
God bless you all!

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Sounds sensible. At least this will preserve xp etc with the old Python
for

as long as possible. One thing you do not say, which may be obvious to
you,

but perhaps not to the average user is..
What are the reasons for change.
is it that its going to be faster, 64 bit or has better ways of doing
stuff

nvda needs to be able to do in the future?
Obviously not in your remit is that at some point an agreed last working
version of the old NVDA that can work on xp etc is going to have to be
made

available and then when add ons are updated, those that will and won't
run
on the old version will need to be noted and if possible trapped by the
old

version so it cannot be scrambled by an add on.


Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base,
dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x


Ladies and gentlemen,



Some of you have been asking NV Access and the global NVDA community
regarding porting NVDA source code and dependencies to Python 3. I and
some
contributors have been brainstorming best ways to accomplish this, and
NV
Access, contributors, some add-on writers, users, and NVDA observers
agree
that it is important that we look into eventually porting NVDA to Python
3.



Until recently, the possibility of moving NVDA to Python 3 seemed to be
only
a dream. However, a major hurdle was overcome earlier this year when
wxPython 4 alpha was released, promising support for Python versions 2.7
and
3.x. Apart from a major problem regarding certain internal routines from
wxPython 4 that may not be compatible with NVDA source code, the stage
is
almost set to begin our transition to Python 3, dubbed "Project
Pylennium".



Project Pylennium is a new project I'm planning and working on that
should
make it easier for NV Access, code contributors, add-on writers, users
and
many others to experience smooth transition to Python 3. The overall
goal

of
this project is to prepare NVDA's source code so it can run on both
Python

2
and 3 in most cases until developers are ready to move on. This project
also
seeks to uncover possible compatibility issues for NVDA community when
the
transition happens, and to document these findings so it can serve as
guidelines to current and future developers.



The current iteration of Project Pylennium (based on NVDA GitHub issue
7105
as a roadmap) can be found on my copy of NVDA source code at:

https://github.com/josephsl/nvda

The branch to use is "py3000".



Project pylennium involves the following:



1. Gather dependencies required for Python 3 transition, such as newer
versions of Python, ConfigObj and many others. A crucial dependency is
the
Six module, which adds compatibility layer functions for both Python 2
and
3.
2. Document porting notes, which will eventually be published on our
NVDA Community wiki.
3. Create source-level compatibility layer in order to mitigate changes
in module names, standard library folder structure, function and class
names
and so on.
4. Migrate most code to Python 3 syntax.
5. Frequent and regular testing to make sure regressions are not
introduced.



Progress so far:



1. Imports: a compatibility layer is in place to import Python 2 or 3
version of winreg, pickle, io.StringIO and what not.
2. Compiles fine via SCons 2.x.
3. Possible to see the first initialization phase of NVDA launcher
(nvda.pyw) via command line. The biggest showstopper at this time is the
fact that logHandler.StreamHandler constructor uses file function when
Python 3 says it isn't available, which suggests we need to modernize
log
handler module.



Benefits:



1. Allows NV Access to look at porting data and make informed
decisions.
2. Allows contributors and Python experts to provide expertise and
prepare the source code for Python 3 transition.
3. Allows add-on authors to look at changes and prepare their add-ons
to run on Python 3.
4. Allows interested users to be involved in a major project and
provide test data.



Disadvantages:



1. We need to part ways with Windows XP and Server 2003.
2. Stress throughout the project, as it is nothing like what we've seen
recently.
3. Some add-ons will need community intervention to get them to run on
Python 3, as some are abandonware (no longer maintained by authors or
the
add-ons community don't know who wrote some of them and lost contact
with
some authors).
4. Possible issues in code and other ones, especially when looking at
code and attitude conflicts.



Next steps:



1. I'm looking for volunteers and subproject leads: if you are
passionate about Python, NVDA, and want to help NVDA achieve the next
milestone, please help and find folks who can assist in this project. In
regards to subprojects, mostly have to do with dependency checks and
tests,
testing, documentation, talking to Python Software Foundation (PSF),
recruiting Python experts and what not.
2. Cooperation: as Project Pylennium is a grand-scale project, we
cannot move forward and make it a reality unless cooperation between
developers, add-on authors, users, observers and many others is there.
3. Promote: one way to keep the momentum going is promoting this
project far and wide.
4. Continued work: I'm looking into how to port urllib imports, as this
module has seen huge folder restructuring in Python 3 and other work.



What you'll need for this project:



1. Python 3.6.0 32-bit or later (3.6.2 is recommended).
2. wxPython 4 alpha 3 or later with the wheel for Python 3.5 or 3.6.
3. Six module (from PYPI).
4. ConfigObj 5.0.6.



Guidelines:



1. When sending pull requests, please do NOT send them to NV Access
yet, as folks over there are working on high priority work. Instead,
send

a
pull request against josephsl/nvda branch py3000.
2. Please provide a clear commit message when sending in pull requests
so folks can track what has changed.
3. Before you commit, please make sure to test NVDA in order to catch
regressions and write workarounds.
4. At least once a month, I will merge NV Access master branch to keep
the code up to date and incorporate changes into this project, sometimes
requiring transforming syntax to fit Python 3 requirements.
5. If you want to port add-ons, please do so at your earliest
convenience or when you are ready. As part of this work, I myself will
port
my own add-ons to Python 3 (one of them is done; throughout this year,
I'll
port rest of my add-ons). Please do not port your add-ons to Python 3
completely - I recommend making it so it'll run happily on both Python
versions.



Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

 

brian,
do you mean that you have problem using english with espeak for espeak
ng 1.49.1 final release?
because i dont have problem using english with nvda 2017.1 and 2017.2
which support espeak ng developers.

On 7/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I've just been having some issues with the English Espeak today. In some
pdfs and word documents some words get spoken as if the language of the
synth has suddenly changed to French or Spanish, so normal words read on
other synths sound well foreign. If only I could come up with a sure fire
way of demonstrating this, I'd raise a ticket, as it may well be related in

that if some code in the file is changing the actual way nvda is interacting

with characters when its not supposed to, its going to create problems. of
course it could be that nvda is outputting illegal characters to the synths

and some just ignore these but espeak uses them. This might be something as

simple as the bit mask for changes in a variable is not correct so higher
bits are read in inappropriate situations.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages


Hi Quentin,

Similar issues appear in 2017.2. The only changes being that the
Japanese voice says Japanese or Chinese letter using the British English
voice, and the Burmese one reads what I Assume are the Unicode character
values rather than stringing random phonemes together.

Brian, I have Firefox set to display Unicode characters so they do
display correctly. If not, they would display as random symbols.


Kara
On 21/07/2017 13:52, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We recently moved to an updated build of eSpeak NG in snapshot builds
to fix another issue I can't recall off the top of my head. If those
who've seen this issue could please confirm that it works as expected
in NVDA stable 2017.2?

In any case, we'll look into it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>> wrote:

espeak is the best synthesizer and i wish that it supports all
languages without problem!

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> There are two distinct issues. Do you have the language pack in
the machine,
>
> which is what causes the Chinese letter messages etc, and a
synth with the
> right phonemes for other more difficult languages. Often the
sounds that
> Latin languages need are just not enough to create oriental and
Arabic ones
>
> according to my fiends who speak them.
> I suppose this is why you often need a special synth designed
to do it
> correctly.
> Brian
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<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages
>
>
>> hello.
>> i speak persian.
>> but i tested arabic and japanese in espeak ng and confirm your
message.
>> also, when i tested japanese language, nvda only told japanese
and
>> chinese letter.
>> and with japanese language, nvda reads even english message and
>> document letter by letter, not complete sentence!
>> also, its arabic is completely ununderstandable.
>> i realy need arabic free tts and nvda espeak sometimes reads
arabic
>> letter by letter and sometimes very wrong pronunciation and also
>> sometimes completely ununderstandable words with very bad
quality and
>> not clear!
>> thanks very very much for your reporting and God bless you!
>>
>> On 7/21/17, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@gmail.com
<mailto:kara.louise18@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I
have
>>> noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support
for some
>>> languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly
Arabic, Burmese
>>> and Japanese.
>>> The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules
files are
>>> missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The
>>> Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter"
with a
>>> sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
>>> As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin
characters
>>> aren't affected.
>>> Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who
speaks these
>>> languages could file a bug report.
>>> I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Kara Goldfinch
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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al-islam.org


Re: Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x

 

thanks for good news joseph and brian.
do you continue supporting of xp?
i became worried when i read the message for the first time.
God bless you all!

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Sounds sensible. At least this will preserve xp etc with the old Python for

as long as possible. One thing you do not say, which may be obvious to you,

but perhaps not to the average user is..
What are the reasons for change.
is it that its going to be faster, 64 bit or has better ways of doing stuff

nvda needs to be able to do in the future?
Obviously not in your remit is that at some point an agreed last working
version of the old NVDA that can work on xp etc is going to have to be made

available and then when add ons are updated, those that will and won't run
on the old version will need to be noted and if possible trapped by the old

version so it cannot be scrambled by an add on.


Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base,
dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x


Ladies and gentlemen,



Some of you have been asking NV Access and the global NVDA community
regarding porting NVDA source code and dependencies to Python 3. I and
some
contributors have been brainstorming best ways to accomplish this, and NV
Access, contributors, some add-on writers, users, and NVDA observers
agree
that it is important that we look into eventually porting NVDA to Python
3.



Until recently, the possibility of moving NVDA to Python 3 seemed to be
only
a dream. However, a major hurdle was overcome earlier this year when
wxPython 4 alpha was released, promising support for Python versions 2.7
and
3.x. Apart from a major problem regarding certain internal routines from
wxPython 4 that may not be compatible with NVDA source code, the stage is
almost set to begin our transition to Python 3, dubbed "Project
Pylennium".



Project Pylennium is a new project I'm planning and working on that
should
make it easier for NV Access, code contributors, add-on writers, users
and
many others to experience smooth transition to Python 3. The overall goal

of
this project is to prepare NVDA's source code so it can run on both Python

2
and 3 in most cases until developers are ready to move on. This project
also
seeks to uncover possible compatibility issues for NVDA community when
the
transition happens, and to document these findings so it can serve as
guidelines to current and future developers.



The current iteration of Project Pylennium (based on NVDA GitHub issue
7105
as a roadmap) can be found on my copy of NVDA source code at:

https://github.com/josephsl/nvda

The branch to use is "py3000".



Project pylennium involves the following:



1. Gather dependencies required for Python 3 transition, such as newer
versions of Python, ConfigObj and many others. A crucial dependency is
the
Six module, which adds compatibility layer functions for both Python 2
and
3.
2. Document porting notes, which will eventually be published on our
NVDA Community wiki.
3. Create source-level compatibility layer in order to mitigate changes
in module names, standard library folder structure, function and class
names
and so on.
4. Migrate most code to Python 3 syntax.
5. Frequent and regular testing to make sure regressions are not
introduced.



Progress so far:



1. Imports: a compatibility layer is in place to import Python 2 or 3
version of winreg, pickle, io.StringIO and what not.
2. Compiles fine via SCons 2.x.
3. Possible to see the first initialization phase of NVDA launcher
(nvda.pyw) via command line. The biggest showstopper at this time is the
fact that logHandler.StreamHandler constructor uses file function when
Python 3 says it isn't available, which suggests we need to modernize log
handler module.



Benefits:



1. Allows NV Access to look at porting data and make informed
decisions.
2. Allows contributors and Python experts to provide expertise and
prepare the source code for Python 3 transition.
3. Allows add-on authors to look at changes and prepare their add-ons
to run on Python 3.
4. Allows interested users to be involved in a major project and
provide test data.



Disadvantages:



1. We need to part ways with Windows XP and Server 2003.
2. Stress throughout the project, as it is nothing like what we've seen
recently.
3. Some add-ons will need community intervention to get them to run on
Python 3, as some are abandonware (no longer maintained by authors or the
add-ons community don't know who wrote some of them and lost contact with
some authors).
4. Possible issues in code and other ones, especially when looking at
code and attitude conflicts.



Next steps:



1. I'm looking for volunteers and subproject leads: if you are
passionate about Python, NVDA, and want to help NVDA achieve the next
milestone, please help and find folks who can assist in this project. In
regards to subprojects, mostly have to do with dependency checks and
tests,
testing, documentation, talking to Python Software Foundation (PSF),
recruiting Python experts and what not.
2. Cooperation: as Project Pylennium is a grand-scale project, we
cannot move forward and make it a reality unless cooperation between
developers, add-on authors, users, observers and many others is there.
3. Promote: one way to keep the momentum going is promoting this
project far and wide.
4. Continued work: I'm looking into how to port urllib imports, as this
module has seen huge folder restructuring in Python 3 and other work.



What you'll need for this project:



1. Python 3.6.0 32-bit or later (3.6.2 is recommended).
2. wxPython 4 alpha 3 or later with the wheel for Python 3.5 or 3.6.
3. Six module (from PYPI).
4. ConfigObj 5.0.6.



Guidelines:



1. When sending pull requests, please do NOT send them to NV Access
yet, as folks over there are working on high priority work. Instead, send

a
pull request against josephsl/nvda branch py3000.
2. Please provide a clear commit message when sending in pull requests
so folks can track what has changed.
3. Before you commit, please make sure to test NVDA in order to catch
regressions and write workarounds.
4. At least once a month, I will merge NV Access master branch to keep
the code up to date and incorporate changes into this project, sometimes
requiring transforming syntax to fit Python 3 requirements.
5. If you want to port add-ons, please do so at your earliest
convenience or when you are ready. As part of this work, I myself will
port
my own add-ons to Python 3 (one of them is done; throughout this year,
I'll
port rest of my add-ons). Please do not port your add-ons to Python 3
completely - I recommend making it so it'll run happily on both Python
versions.



Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph





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al-islam.org


Re: mail app not opening

Mário Navarro
 

Hi.
Yes, and my desktop apps is not open in the windows search of windows.
Only I can open on the desktop.
Yes, it seems that each new update things get worse.
Instead of going forward, we're going back...

cheers.
Às 16:09 de 21/07/2017, The Gamages escreveu:

Hello,

Here's a strange update on my mail app froblem.

I was using Google chrome, not on a website just looking at a list of
options, suddenly the speakers gave a prolonged sound, as if something
was shorting out, the sound lasted about two minutes, luckily someone
else was looking at the screen at the time and there was a message
saying something like, "your system has encountered a problem,, we will
try to find a solution and restart your computer".
The sound eventually stopped and the computer re started, to my
surprise, the mail app was back and the computer was more responsive
than it had been for some time, I don't really want to say more as it
will probably mess up again.

It seems that there certainly was something very wrong with my system
and I'm fairly sure it came about because of updates.
I am at a loss to explain what happened, but will cross my fingers and
hope for the best.

As to Narator, I can't, for the life of me, understand why we should
have to learn a whole new set of keystrokes to do tasks such as going
through a document by line, word or character, when the old keystrokes
such as up and down arrow, left and right arrow, control and arrow keys,
worked perfectly well before, and they are Microsoft keystrokes.
Narrator is useful when nothing else will work.
It all reminds me of something I heard a while back about the very
clever people who surround us these days,they can work out the capacity
of a biscuit tin in their head, but they haven't a clue how to get the
lid off.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well its not so much they don't care it is as we all know the usual
issue of
not enough testing.
I guess when major updates will be charged for people will just opt out
and
just get security updates.
I also think its very dangerous them improving Narrator as its awfully
tempting to them to just test that things work in that not realising or
maybe caring that for some third party software their built in solution
won't cut it.


Brian

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From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

I have always found the fact that Microsoft does things in Windows ten
without giving us the chance of declining changes a real pain, every
major update has brought more niggles and most have been to do with
accessibility in some respect, Microsoft give scant attention to
accessability.
I used to think it was my system, but I have heard so many others
finding odd things happening that I feel that Microsoft have not given
us much
thought with their intrusive attitude to our systems, I am glad that my
main system is still Windows seven and my Windows ten is just for
experimentation.
I did try to ignore the creators update, but it got me in the end
without my permission.


Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well I use Outlook Express but it did work in 10, but when a major
update is
due you have to reinstall it as Microsoft don't like you using it.
I don't know if Live mail is affected in the same way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


I don't have Windows 10. As far as I know, the only problem with using
Windows Live Mail in Windows 10 is that when writing messages or
replying,
etc. you can't read what you have written unless you leave and return to
the
window. This can be done very conveniently and quickly by pressing alt
to
move to the ribbons, then pressing alt again to move back to the window
you
were in. I can't say whether the app is worth using. I've never used
it so
I don't know how it compares in terms of convenience.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Since the anniversary edition, [I believe], my mail app is not opening,
I
believe there is a fairly simple way of sorting this by deleting the app
data, however, the mail app does not appear in my app data, any ideas
please?

All was working and then stopped , mind you the calander part of it didn’t
seem to work.
Is it worth persevering with this, iif not, is anyone still using Live
mail
with Windows ten?
Comments appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.












Re: mail app not opening

The Gamages
 

I have checked the version and it's the creators update, I've looked at
the mail app and it has obviously changed somewhat, if I had an empty
folder, it used to say something like, "nothing to show here", now it
says, nothing has arrived yet".
Whether that tells you anything else I don't know,
has it actually put right some errors which updates have caused?
I am just keeping my fingers crossed because it seems that I don't have
control of my Windows ten.


Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Yes I was thinking the same. I used to have issues like that when I was
at
work. We would get graduates with qualifications as long as a toilet
role,
but the common sense was never taught as to when to apply this
knowledge.
Still from what you say I'd suspect its done my favourite new word.
Downdated
the computer to a working condition.

I've had Windows 7 do this as well. The big problem is it seems never to
tell you exactly what it did and what might need to be updated again.
Brian

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From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Here's a strange update on my mail app froblem.

I was using Google chrome, not on a website just looking at a list of
options, suddenly the speakers gave a prolonged sound, as if something
was shorting out, the sound lasted about two minutes, luckily someone
else was looking at the screen at the time and there was a message
saying something like, "your system has encountered a problem,, we will
try to find a solution and restart your computer".
The sound eventually stopped and the computer re started, to my
surprise, the mail app was back and the computer was more responsive
than it had been for some time, I don't really want to say more as it
will probably mess up again.

It seems that there certainly was something very wrong with my system
and I'm fairly sure it came about because of updates.
I am at a loss to explain what happened, but will cross my fingers and
hope for the best.

As to Narator, I can't, for the life of me, understand why we should
have to learn a whole new set of keystrokes to do tasks such as going
through a document by line, word or character, when the old keystrokes
such as up and down arrow, left and right arrow, control and arrow keys,
worked perfectly well before, and they are Microsoft keystrokes.
Narrator is useful when nothing else will work.
It all reminds me of something I heard a while back about the very
clever people who surround us these days,they can work out the capacity
of a biscuit tin in their head, but they haven't a clue how to get the
lid off.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well its not so much they don't care it is as we all know the usual
issue of
not enough testing.
I guess when major updates will be charged for people will just opt out
and
just get security updates.
I also think its very dangerous them improving Narrator as its awfully
tempting to them to just test that things work in that not realising or
maybe caring that for some third party software their built in solution
won't cut it.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

I have always found the fact that Microsoft does things in Windows ten
without giving us the chance of declining changes a real pain, every
major update has brought more niggles and most have been to do with
accessibility in some respect, Microsoft give scant attention to
accessability.
I used to think it was my system, but I have heard so many others
finding odd things happening that I feel that Microsoft have not given
us much
thought with their intrusive attitude to our systems, I am glad that my
main system is still Windows seven and my Windows ten is just for
experimentation.
I did try to ignore the creators update, but it got me in the end
without my permission.


Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well I use Outlook Express but it did work in 10, but when a major
update is
due you have to reinstall it as Microsoft don't like you using it.
I don't know if Live mail is affected in the same way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


I don't have Windows 10. As far as I know, the only problem with using
Windows Live Mail in Windows 10 is that when writing messages or
replying,
etc. you can't read what you have written unless you leave and return to
the
window. This can be done very conveniently and quickly by pressing alt
to
move to the ribbons, then pressing alt again to move back to the window
you
were in. I can't say whether the app is worth using. I've never used
it so
I don't know how it compares in terms of convenience.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Since the anniversary edition, [I believe], my mail app is not opening,
I
believe there is a fairly simple way of sorting this by deleting the app
data, however, the mail app does not appear in my app data, any ideas
please?

All was working and then stopped , mind you the calander part of it didn’t
seem to work.
Is it worth persevering with this, iif not, is anyone still using Live
mail
with Windows ten?
Comments appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

The Gamages
 

This sounds like the message that you get prior to the creators update,
it wants to check your security settings, I ignored this several times
but it still zapped me in the end.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

Windows logo
Don't wait-review your privacy settings to get ready for the next update
It doesn't take long. But if you're not ready to do it right now, we can
postpone this one last time.
.
We want you to have the latest update so that Windows runs smoothly.
.
We'll save your settings and notify you before the update starts. It
won't
happen immediately.
Review settingsBackground

So I am assuming this is the latest mega update of 10, but what is all
this
about settings? In my experience the update has just been go ahead or
not
now.
Brian
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Re: looking for a good torrent program

Stephen
 

deluge is pretty good, Yes the main screen is not accessible but it has a web interface which is accessible with any browser.
Cheers.

At 05:51 PM 7/22/2017, you wrote:
I still use uTorrent 1.8.4  without any issue still and without all the bloat
 
From: Bobby
Sent: 22 July 2017 02:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good torrent program
 
hay I was wondering what blind people use for torrenting.  I use to use
utorrent butt it is not as accessible as it use to be. Just let me know
if you have any ideas
 
 
 
 


Re: looking for a good torrent program

Joshua Hendrickson
 

I don't get torrents as much as I used to. I can get so many books
from bard, audible, or bookshare that I just don't need to get
torrents. You are correct that a lot of torrent sites don't work any
more. I still use utorrent and it works fine.

On 7/22/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I was finding so many torrent sites banned here and so many of the torrents

I could get laced with malware or taking half a lifetime to download that I

no longer bother much with torrents. It seems to be inhabited with crooks
scammers and copyright breachers most of the time, no I don't want the
latest porn video or the rest of the junk...grin.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a good torrent program


I still use uTorrent 1.8.4 without any issue still and without all the
bloat

From: Bobby
Sent: 22 July 2017 02:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] looking for a good torrent program

hay I was wondering what blind people use for torrenting. I use to use
utorrent butt it is not as accessible as it use to be. Just let me know
if you have any ideas










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Re: making audio call using chrome and facebook.com?

Dejan Ristic
 

To do it, you need to switch to www.messenger.com. Do not use the mobile facebook site.

On 7/22/2017 6:40 AM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello I was hanging out with my friend who can see and he made a call from google chrome to one of his friends on facebook messanger and was able to talk using the computer

how ever I can not find out how to do this with nvda I checked on the

m.facebook.com

and the main

facebook.com

messanger can any one tell me how do do this with nvda?

thanks

Hank




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Re: How accessible is Outlook 2016?

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This issue is always the case on imap unless you have a configuration file you can import with this already in place. I've seen this on some sites but of course the first time you run it you have to personalise it.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How accessible is Outlook 2016?


I use it extensively and it's very accessible. If it keeps prompting you for
account details, this is probably because it can't connect to the server. If
it's an IMAP server, you may have to enter the "advanced" options during the
account configuration process to specify the port and the authentication
scheme for both the IMAP and SMTP sides.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John J.
Boyer
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How accessible is Outlook 2016?

I'm trying to set up an email account on Outlook 2016. So far it's throwing
me into a loop where it asks the same things over and over. What is the most
accessible email client? I haven't had much luck with Thunderbird either.


thanks,
John

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Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

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I've just been having some issues with the English Espeak today. In some pdfs and word documents some words get spoken as if the language of the synth has suddenly changed to French or Spanish, so normal words read on other synths sound well foreign. If only I could come up with a sure fire way of demonstrating this, I'd raise a ticket, as it may well be related in that if some code in the file is changing the actual way nvda is interacting with characters when its not supposed to, its going to create problems. of course it could be that nvda is outputting illegal characters to the synths and some just ignore these but espeak uses them. This might be something as simple as the bit mask for changes in a variable is not correct so higher bits are read in inappropriate situations.
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Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages


Hi Quentin,

Similar issues appear in 2017.2. The only changes being that the
Japanese voice says Japanese or Chinese letter using the British English
voice, and the Burmese one reads what I Assume are the Unicode character
values rather than stringing random phonemes together.

Brian, I have Firefox set to display Unicode characters so they do
display correctly. If not, they would display as random symbols.


Kara
On 21/07/2017 13:52, Quentin Christensen wrote:
We recently moved to an updated build of eSpeak NG in snapshot builds
to fix another issue I can't recall off the top of my head. If those
who've seen this issue could please confirm that it works as expected
in NVDA stable 2017.2?

In any case, we'll look into it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>> wrote:

espeak is the best synthesizer and i wish that it supports all
languages without problem!

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> There are two distinct issues. Do you have the language pack in
the machine,
>
> which is what causes the Chinese letter messages etc, and a
synth with the
> right phonemes for other more difficult languages. Often the
sounds that
> Latin languages need are just not enough to create oriental and
Arabic ones
>
> according to my fiends who speak them.
> I suppose this is why you often need a special synth designed
to do it
> correctly.
> Brian
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> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues with some Espeak languages
>
>
>> hello.
>> i speak persian.
>> but i tested arabic and japanese in espeak ng and confirm your
message.
>> also, when i tested japanese language, nvda only told japanese and
>> chinese letter.
>> and with japanese language, nvda reads even english message and
>> document letter by letter, not complete sentence!
>> also, its arabic is completely ununderstandable.
>> i realy need arabic free tts and nvda espeak sometimes reads
arabic
>> letter by letter and sometimes very wrong pronunciation and also
>> sometimes completely ununderstandable words with very bad
quality and
>> not clear!
>> thanks very very much for your reporting and God bless you!
>>
>> On 7/21/17, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@gmail.com
<mailto:kara.louise18@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> This doesn't effect me directly as I only speak English, but I
have
>>> noticed that there are some major issues with Espeak's support
for some
>>> languages that don't use Latin characters, particularly
Arabic, Burmese
>>> and Japanese.
>>> The Arabic and Burmese voices seem to read as though the rules
files are
>>> missing, just spitting out phonemes and hoping for the best. The
>>> Japanese voice just says "Chinese letter" or "Japanese letter"
with a
>>> sort of Scottish accent when encountering characters.
>>> As far as I know, all other languages that don't use Latin
characters
>>> aren't affected.
>>> Is this a known issue? If not, maybe perhaps someone who
speaks these
>>> languages could file a bug report.
>>> I am using NVDA Next build 14212,1c3743ee.
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Kara Goldfinch
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: mail app not opening

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Yes I was thinking the same. I used to have issues like that when I was at work. We would get graduates with qualifications as long as a toilet role, but the common sense was never taught as to when to apply this knowledge.
Still from what you say I'd suspect its done my favourite new word.
Downdated
the computer to a working condition.

I've had Windows 7 do this as well. The big problem is it seems never to tell you exactly what it did and what might need to be updated again.
Brian

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From: "The Gamages" <james.gamage@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Here's a strange update on my mail app froblem.

I was using Google chrome, not on a website just looking at a list of
options, suddenly the speakers gave a prolonged sound, as if something
was shorting out, the sound lasted about two minutes, luckily someone
else was looking at the screen at the time and there was a message
saying something like, "your system has encountered a problem,, we will
try to find a solution and restart your computer".
The sound eventually stopped and the computer re started, to my
surprise, the mail app was back and the computer was more responsive
than it had been for some time, I don't really want to say more as it
will probably mess up again.

It seems that there certainly was something very wrong with my system
and I'm fairly sure it came about because of updates.
I am at a loss to explain what happened, but will cross my fingers and
hope for the best.

As to Narator, I can't, for the life of me, understand why we should
have to learn a whole new set of keystrokes to do tasks such as going
through a document by line, word or character, when the old keystrokes
such as up and down arrow, left and right arrow, control and arrow keys,
worked perfectly well before, and they are Microsoft keystrokes.
Narrator is useful when nothing else will work.
It all reminds me of something I heard a while back about the very
clever people who surround us these days,they can work out the capacity
of a biscuit tin in their head, but they haven't a clue how to get the
lid off.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well its not so much they don't care it is as we all know the usual
issue of
not enough testing.
I guess when major updates will be charged for people will just opt out
and
just get security updates.
I also think its very dangerous them improving Narrator as its awfully
tempting to them to just test that things work in that not realising or
maybe caring that for some third party software their built in solution
won't cut it.


Brian

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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

I have always found the fact that Microsoft does things in Windows ten
without giving us the chance of declining changes a real pain, every
major update has brought more niggles and most have been to do with
accessibility in some respect, Microsoft give scant attention to
accessability.
I used to think it was my system, but I have heard so many others
finding odd things happening that I feel that Microsoft have not given
us much
thought with their intrusive attitude to our systems, I am glad that my
main system is still Windows seven and my Windows ten is just for
experimentation.
I did try to ignore the creators update, but it got me in the end
without my permission.


Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening

Well I use Outlook Express but it did work in 10, but when a major
update is
due you have to reinstall it as Microsoft don't like you using it.
I don't know if Live mail is affected in the same way.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] mail app not opening


I don't have Windows 10. As far as I know, the only problem with using
Windows Live Mail in Windows 10 is that when writing messages or
replying,
etc. you can't read what you have written unless you leave and return to
the
window. This can be done very conveniently and quickly by pressing alt
to
move to the ribbons, then pressing alt again to move back to the window
you
were in. I can't say whether the app is worth using. I've never used
it so
I don't know how it compares in terms of convenience.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mail app not opening


Hello,

Since the anniversary edition, [I believe], my mail app is not opening,
I
believe there is a fairly simple way of sorting this by deleting the app
data, however, the mail app does not appear in my app data, any ideas
please?

All was working and then stopped , mind you the calander part of it didn’t
seem to work.
Is it worth persevering with this, iif not, is anyone still using Live
mail
with Windows ten?
Comments appreciated.
Best Regards, Jim.