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Re: NVDA and the Online Bible.

Ron Canazzi
 

That is a false positive. I have the program if you want a drop box link. In this archive, there are a bunch of the bibles included.



On 7/23/2017 3:53 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hello:

 

My Eset Nod32 program has that sight blocked.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible.

 

Hi Jim,

 

I sent a reference to the Bible Seeker program which is a stand alone fully accessible and searchable program that has a dozen or so Bible versions and works perfectly with NVDA.

 

http://bible_seeker.en.downloadastro.com/

 

 

On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

 

When I press the Insert+* keys after cursoring up/down, (move navigator object to mouse), I am able to read the Online Bible as I cursor down through the particular book.  My question is, is there a way to make this happen automatically when I press the up & down cursor keys?

 

It’s unfortunate that NVDA, ( a free screen reading program,), does not work with the Online Bible, (a free complete Bible resource program), even though JAWS works very well with the program.

 

Whether we do, or do not read the Bible, there’s no denying that it is, extremely important to many NVDA users.

 

Any time, fully functioning programs are made availible, such as Jart, or the Online bible, for example, which are absolutely free, there should be a way to make NVDA compatible with such programs.

 

Perhaps add-ons can solve the problem, I don’t really know.

 

Thanks all over the place.

 



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


reclassifying controls

Josh Kennedy
 

if someone makes an addon that would let us reclassify and relabel any object this would be quite helpful. also auto label using tooltips would be useful. I've been asking about this for years.


--
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Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

Chris Mullins
 

Windows+i is the W10 shortcut key to open the Settings dialog but if it is not working for you, try Windows+x then arrow down to settings and press enter or just press the letter n as this is the accelerator key within that context menu for Settings.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 23 July 2017 18:57
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


NVDA and the Online Bible.

Jim Noseworthy
 

Thanks for the information concerning Bible Seeker but my client is looking for a program that has access to various version EG: NIV, TNIV, EST,NKJ, NRSV, NLB, Message, etc.

 

Again, thanks all over the place.

 


Re: NVDA and the Online Bible.

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hello:

 

My Eset Nod32 program has that sight blocked.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible.

 

Hi Jim,

 

I sent a reference to the Bible Seeker program which is a stand alone fully accessible and searchable program that has a dozen or so Bible versions and works perfectly with NVDA.

 

http://bible_seeker.en.downloadastro.com/

 

 

On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

 

When I press the Insert+* keys after cursoring up/down, (move navigator object to mouse), I am able to read the Online Bible as I cursor down through the particular book.  My question is, is there a way to make this happen automatically when I press the up & down cursor keys?

 

It’s unfortunate that NVDA, ( a free screen reading program,), does not work with the Online Bible, (a free complete Bible resource program), even though JAWS works very well with the program.

 

Whether we do, or do not read the Bible, there’s no denying that it is, extremely important to many NVDA users.

 

Any time, fully functioning programs are made availible, such as Jart, or the Online bible, for example, which are absolutely free, there should be a way to make NVDA compatible with such programs.

 

Perhaps add-ons can solve the problem, I don’t really know.

 

Thanks all over the place.

 



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Reclassifying windows.

Gene
 

Are you asking about reclassifying controls such as buttons, check boxes, edit fields, etc?  The answer to that question is no. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 1:40 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reclassifying windows.

Hi Gang:

 

Is it possible to reclassify windows in NVDA?

 

Thanks.

 

 


Re: How do I unsubscribe?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

It should be
nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How do I unsubscribe?

Hi to all. What is the address to unsubscribe from the list? Thanks.


Re: NVDA and the Online Bible.

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Jim,


I sent a reference to the Bible Seeker program which is a stand alone fully accessible and searchable program that has a dozen or so Bible versions and works perfectly with NVDA.


http://bible_seeker.en.downloadastro.com/



On 7/23/2017 12:58 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote:

Hi Folks:

 

When I press the Insert+* keys after cursoring up/down, (move navigator object to mouse), I am able to read the Online Bible as I cursor down through the particular book.  My question is, is there a way to make this happen automatically when I press the up & down cursor keys?

 

It’s unfortunate that NVDA, ( a free screen reading program,), does not work with the Online Bible, (a free complete Bible resource program), even though JAWS works very well with the program.

 

Whether we do, or do not read the Bible, there’s no denying that it is, extremely important to many NVDA users.

 

Any time, fully functioning programs are made availible, such as Jart, or the Online bible, for example, which are absolutely free, there should be a way to make NVDA compatible with such programs.

 

Perhaps add-ons can solve the problem, I don’t really know.

 

Thanks all over the place.

 


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Reclassifying windows.

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi Gang:

 

Is it possible to reclassify windows in NVDA?

 

Thanks.

 

 


Re: NVDA and the Online Bible.

Gene
 

I don't know how many Bible programs NVDA works with and, considering the enormous amount of Bible resources available online, I don't know how high a priority having this specific program work well is among NVDA users. Every project, an add on or work on NVDA itself, takes time and man-hours.  I'm not saying this program should or shouldn't be made to work better with NVDA.  I'm saying that just because a program is free is irrelevant and the fact that NVDA is free doesn't enter into determining what programs should be made more accessible. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the Online Bible.

Hi Folks:

 

When I press the Insert+* keys after cursoring up/down, (move navigator object to mouse), I am able to read the Online Bible as I cursor down through the particular book.  My question is, is there a way to make this happen automatically when I press the up & down cursor keys?

 

It’s unfortunate that NVDA, ( a free screen reading program,), does not work with the Online Bible, (a free complete Bible resource program), even though JAWS works very well with the program.

 

Whether we do, or do not read the Bible, there’s no denying that it is, extremely important to many NVDA users.

 

Any time, fully functioning programs are made availible, such as Jart, or the Online bible, for example, which are absolutely free, there should be a way to make NVDA compatible with such programs.

 

Perhaps add-ons can solve the problem, I don’t really know.

 

Thanks all over the place.

 


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Does a computer restart help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

sorry, windows plus I does nothing.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
sorry, windows plus I does nothing.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..
 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

The Gamages
 

Hello Joseph,
 
Thank you for that, I will explore.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..
 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

Ah, that…

The fastest way to get there, besides searching for it is pressing Windows+I, press TAB to go to categories, then press right arrow until you arrive at Privacy. Press ENTER, and press TAB to go to subcategories. For each category, press ENTER and press TAB to go through settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello Joseph,

 

O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.

Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.

 

I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.

Stay well.

 

 

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

 

 


NVDA and the Online Bible.

Jim Noseworthy
 

Hi Folks:

 

When I press the Insert+* keys after cursoring up/down, (move navigator object to mouse), I am able to read the Online Bible as I cursor down through the particular book.  My question is, is there a way to make this happen automatically when I press the up & down cursor keys?

 

It’s unfortunate that NVDA, ( a free screen reading program,), does not work with the Online Bible, (a free complete Bible resource program), even though JAWS works very well with the program.

 

Whether we do, or do not read the Bible, there’s no denying that it is, extremely important to many NVDA users.

 

Any time, fully functioning programs are made availible, such as Jart, or the Online bible, for example, which are absolutely free, there should be a way to make NVDA compatible with such programs.

 

Perhaps add-ons can solve the problem, I don’t really know.

 

Thanks all over the place.

 


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hi,
In a way, giving users a chance to take a look at privacy settings before installation of feature updates is a form of accommodation by Microsoft. This came about after numerous complaints were raised regarding lack of transparency and privacy concerns about Windows 10 ecosystem.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

I just think then that Microsoft have misjudged the expertise of many users by using these privacy settings and other things that the user has probably left as default since they got their computer and hence are worried that whatever is about to happen might upset something and or make them have to access and change something they have no knowledge of.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on
the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

* Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and
“similar” are two completely different words).
* Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
* Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
* Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and
what not.



It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old
next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting
to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days,
some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well
with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes
to screen readers, it produced mixed results.



Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum
later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down
a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy
settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet
changes introduced in Settings and other apps.



A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows
releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds
and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace
accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft
in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles,
and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow
their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as
possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old
releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The
Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..



Hello,



I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing
relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they
should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to
them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff and usually
give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be
installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply
with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.



Best Regards, Jim.



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..



On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is
that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to
now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows
10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any
notification whatsoever. This update also contains several new settings
that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like
those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the
update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows
10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it
requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure
that things are set as you'd like them to be. It also helps you to become
more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it
as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of
Windows as a Service. You cannot decline updates and if you use any method
to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates
which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the
update catalog and manually downloading and applying same. I'd rather not
have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that
Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot
better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating
systems. Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on
BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the
version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them.
. . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this
since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and
choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most
people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing
updates.

~ John Carrona, AKA
<https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/u/35824/usasma/> usasma on
BleepingComputer.com, <http://www.carrona.org/> http://www.carrona.org/

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the
opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

~ Niels Bohr


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I just think then that Microsoft have misjudged the expertise of many users by using these privacy settings and other things that the user has probably left as default since they got their computer and hence are worried that whatever is about to happen might upset something and or make them have to access and change something they have no knowledge of.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..


Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

* Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
* Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
* Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
* Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.



It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.



Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.



A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..



Hello,



I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.



Best Regards, Jim.



From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..



On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever. This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be. It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service. You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same. I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems. Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

~ John Carrona, AKA <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/u/35824/usasma/> usasma on BleepingComputer.com, <http://www.carrona.org/> http://www.carrona.org/

--
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~ Niels Bohr


Re: How do I unsubscribe?

 

Send a message to nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io from the same e-mail address that you used to subscribe.
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How do I unsubscribe?

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hi to all. What is the address to unsubscribe from the list? Thanks.


Re: Several windows 10 users have got..

The Gamages
 

Hello Joseph,
 
O K, I will take the hit here,there must be others who, like me, have tried to get into the privacy settings without success, I typed “privacy settings” into the search box after pressing the windows key, pressing enter on any item does nothing, pressing tab takes me through a lot of other stuff and, to cut a long story short, I can make no sense of it. We are urged to look at all this, but, as in many cases, it is assumed that we have unlimited knowledge of these things.
Am I the only thick one on this list? or would some explanation of how to look at the privacy settings be useful to others, thank you for some simple advice.
 
I do appreciate everything  that yourself and the other developers do for NVDA, but sometimes it gets a bit too technical for me.
Stay well.
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..
 

Hi,

The ultimate idea behind Windows as a Service (WaaS) is to get everyone on the same page, same ecosystem, same principles, and same attitudes:

  • Same page: same or similar compatibility (note that the words “same” and “similar” are two completely different words).
  • Same ecosystem: to reduce fragmentation.
  • Same principles: updates, deployment and what not.
  • Same attitudes: update checks, testing new things as soon as possible and what not.

 

It’s been rough in the start, but as Windows 10 is turning two years old next week, the transition is going well (not smooth, but people are starting to realize implications of this new model). For instance, in the early days, some programs (including one or two antivirus programs) didn’t work well with Windows 10 and WaaS in general; that is changing slowly. When it comes to screen readers, it produced mixed results.

 

Regarding privacy settings: I may need to write this to the Win10 forum later (I cannot talk about this with authority here, as I want to tone down a lot on this forum), but I think it’d be a good idea to review privacy settings before and after new Windows 10 feature updates, as well as meet changes introduced in Settings and other apps.

 

A bit tangent: regarding NVDA’s commitment to Windows 10 and older Windows releases: as long as there is a need to provide accessibility workarounds and until the day third-party (not Microsoft) UWP developers embrace accessibility, I will work on Windows 10 App Essentials. I did put Microsoft in parentheses as Redmond is actively evangelizing accessibility principles, and I have advised them several times to persuade third-party devs to follow their examples. Also, older versions of Windows will be supported as long as possible, although as I said earlier, NVDA developers cannot support old releases forever.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

Hello,

 

I bow to your greater experience, but , if we are not capable of choossing relevant updates, how can we be sure that our privacy settings are as they should be.

What about anti virus? I have Eset smart security and have just written to them for their comments, they do turn off some windows stuff  and usually give a message to say that Windows updates are available and should be installed, I’m sure Eset are on top of all this and I will await their reply with interest, if it’s relevant I will pass on anything they say.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 5:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Several windows 10 users have got..

 

On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 08:42 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

Yes but why is it asking this question. From memory all you usually get is that a new version of it is available with extra features, do you want to now or later etc.

Because people legitimately complained about prior major updates to Windows 10 resetting Privacy (or other) settings as part of the update without any notification whatsoever.  This update also contains several new settings that were not there before, and Microsoft wants you to choose how you'd like those settings to be set so that this can be applied at the end of the update.

I tell everyone that when any of the Version updates takes place to Windows 10 you should always take a few minutes afterward, and that's all it requires, to cruise through every pane in the Privacy settings to ensure that things are set as you'd like them to be.  It also helps you to become more familiar with what you can control and where you need to go to tweak it as far as privacy goes.

And, as Gene has already noted, Windows 10 marked the introduction of Windows as a Service.  You cannot decline updates and if you use any method to rig it such that you don't get them you won't be getting security updates which are absolutely essential unless you're willing to keep reviewing the update catalog and manually downloading and applying same.  I'd rather not have to do that and my own professional experience informs my opinion that Microsoft, or any operating system creator and maintainer, knows a lot better than I do about what needs to be updated with their operating systems  Nobody has put it better than one of the BSOD experts on BleepingComputer.com with regard to Windows Updates, regardless of the version of Windows under discussion:

There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
 
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Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr