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Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Gene
 

I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie




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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

Rui Fontes
 

It happens in a lot of programs.
In most cases, it will announce the window, but lots of time later...

Here is the log using last Next version of NVDA:
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (12:02:55.132):
Input: kb(desktop):control+g
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (12:02:55.398):
Potential unimplemented child class: <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementIAccessible object at 0x051B8410>
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (12:02:55.400):
Braille regions text: [u'Sem t\xedtulo - Bloco de notas indispon\xedvel ', u'Editor de Texto mln ed\xe7 ', u'as ']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (12:02:55.401):
Braille window dots: 1 234 -
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:55.910):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (12:02:56.009):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (12:02:56.013):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (12:02:56.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (12:02:56.131):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:56.775):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 558, in __init__
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 909, in getIAccIdentity
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1078, in QueryInterface

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (12:02:56.829):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 637, in _get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 918, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 385, in findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
IO - speech.speak (12:02:58.977):
Speaking [u'Guardar como Janela Nome de ficheiro: Nome de ficheiro:\nGuardar com o tipo: Guardar com o tipo:']



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 25 de julho de 2017 04:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Dan,

What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?) and also which version of Windows?

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:


Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the save as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift tab to make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Re: KeePass

Quentin Christensen
 

There are a number of ways of keeping track of passwords:
- Most browsers will offer to remember passwords for you.  This may be local, or on the cloud (If you log in to either FireFox or Chrome, I know they can remember your favourites / bookmarks across devices, and I think passwords as well).
- There are dedicated programs (such as Keepass) which will keep your passwords in one place, locally.
- There are also dedicated programs that will keep your passwords online so you can easily access them across devices
- Or you can keep them manually (either in your head, on a notepad or recorded by the PC or on a file in say, notepad ON the PC).

Which way you go really is personal choice.  I prefer an option like Keepass which keeps the passwords locked up but in a local file, so it's harder for anyone who shouldn't to get access to it.  Cloud based solutions have the benefit of easy access across devices, but as has already been demonstrated, there is the potential for them to be hacked and then you could potentially lose, or have to replace ALL your passwords (LastPass - a cloud based password service, got hacked last year).

Using a password manager also has the benefit of being able to generate random passwords - and because they're being kept in the program, they can be easily made unique and complex for every site.  Using your browser is convenient for a lot of people, though they often don't offer that service, you still have to create a password.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:45 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi travis and quentin.
thanks so much for your comments.
whats the different between password manager programs and usual way
which we enter password manually?
is it possible for users that dont save any informations in there
browsers to use such program?
what does it do for us?
thanks again, God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

On 7/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
> Thank you, Quentin. That's one of the reasons I became attracted to the idea
> of it, that it's free and open sourced. No, it doesn't use the cloud or
> servers such as LastPass and other competitors, but that's not foolproof
> anyway as my LastPass account was hacked recently based on a supposedly 100%
> secure master password, and I spent a good day or two changing all my
> passwords as a result, and doing my best to convince Netflix that, no, I did
> not live in Brazil, and that I did speak English, not Spanish, and live in
> the US. What a mess. I'm just glad it wasn't more costly than that.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quentin Christensen
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>
>
> As a bonus, Keepass is free and open source, so you can try both and keep
> whichever one you like.  Note you can import Keepass 1.x files into Keepass
> 2.x but not the other way around (as Keepass 2 has more features):
> http://keepass.info/help/v2/version.html
>
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
>   Thank you Quentin. It appears that v1 and v2 are a matter of user choice,
> and that both are accessible enough. I'll take a look at both and decide. V1
> might be enough as my needs are basic.
>   Travis
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Quentin Christensen
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>
>
>   Hi Travis,
>
>
>   I use KeePass version 1 and find it quite good.  There are a couple of
> unlabelled buttons.  The main ones I use which aren't labelled are one tab
> after the first password field is "show password", and the one after the
> second password field is to generate a password.  Other than that,
> everything works fine with NVDA.
>
>
>   Just reading through the documentation for you, it does say: "
>     a.. [2.x] Accessibility: KeePass 2.x features an advanced option that
> explicitly optimizes the user interface for screen readers."
>
>
>   I initially chose V1 because I didn't need any of the extra features in
> V2: http://keepass.info/compare.html
>
>
>   So it might be that V2 is even more accessible, although in fact, V1 isn't
> that far off.
>
>   Regards
>
>
>   Quentin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
>     It seems that there was a recent discussion of KeePass on this list, but
> don't remember for sure as we've been dealing with moves and other personal
> stuff, so emails didn't always get kept or read. If I'm remembering right,
> how accessible is it with NVDA. I think I also remember reading somewhere
> that there are two active releases of the program, a version 1 and a version
> 2. Is one better than the other for us? Thanks so much for any advice and
> help.
>     Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>
>   Quentin Christensen
>   Training and Support Manager
>
>
>   Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
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>
>
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>   Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>


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Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Paul


just set the log level to debug and hopefully it is caught.. I hear some times it happens on a new machine or after a windows update but not sure only from what i hear.

yet all the computers here do not ever have  that problem they are all running windows 10 creators update apart from 2 of them i think.


By the way under tools then view log there you would see the log of where you tabbed etc on the computer.


Gene nz


Gene nz

On 7/25/2017 10:12 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:
Hi Gene,

"Did you change the settings in the previous email to debug and also save the log?"

Unfortunately Gene in my haste to get up and running with the computer I didn't notice your follow-up email till after I tried out the possible solution which thankfully worked. Is there anything I can do to log this?.

"It might be a good idea to set a restore point just in case. Touch wood it does not happen again."

Just created a restore point now Gene.

Paul.









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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

Mailing Lists
 

Hi Gene,

"Did you change the settings in the previous email to debug and also save the log?"

Unfortunately Gene in my haste to get up and running with the computer I didn't notice your follow-up email till after I tried out the possible solution which thankfully worked. Is there anything I can do to log this?.

"It might be a good idea to set a restore point just in case. Touch wood it does not happen again."

Just created a restore point now Gene.

Paul.


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I was also able to go to it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

I just checked your site out of curiosity and guess what?  Your site is back.  It appears that the Drop Box file need not be used and that people may use your site again.  I went there with scripts turned off for safety reasons and I would advise those using Internet Explorer to have both scripts turned off and active X controls off to until we are assured the site is safe again.  But it appears that it is.  I'm not sure what or if any testing needs to be done to be sure.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.

 

until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.

 

you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
 
Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.
 
It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.
 
Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi paul


Did you change the settings in the previous email to debug and also save the log?

When it was saying unknown or pane? it may give the developers some thing to see what caused it and hopefully stop it from happening again.


the instructions come off a ticket when i first had the problem.


It might be a good idea to set a restore point just in case. Touch wood it does not happen again.


The page or ticket where i refer to is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807

Look for references on may 19 where it came from. sounds like updates might do it? but not sure there.


It helped me out so then i put it on the website just in case it happened to others.


Gene nz



On 7/25/2017 9:30 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:
Hi Gene,

What can I say???, you are a "Legend". I just ran your command and it worked perfectly. All items are now speaking normally and I am able to work in Chrome, IE and Edge. Even context menus and the Taskbar icons read as they should.

Again, many thanks.

Paul.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday 24 July 2017 23:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

hi Paul




I had the same problem on a blind members computer saying the same sort of thing. I put the instructions up on my website so it would fix it, but some how some one is re diverting it to another site and it has taken over now even the links to the same site. so unless i can fix the problem i might even kill the domain it goes to.




I would have to check also what model she had but is a laptop by asus and is on windows 1607




I still have a copy on my computer with the instructions but you might need a sighted person to do it.




hers is the first i have come across that has done that. most times you just install nvda and it works.




the instructions are below.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:
•
In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.
•
In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys • When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour • Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it • Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows • The running applications icons are not being spoken out It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.







Gene nz





On 7/24/2017 11:01 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:


	Hi All,

	Got a new desktop, never used before and first thing I did was to install NVDA latest version. After navigating around the main desktop and some of the windows 10 settings screens I kept getting NVDA announcing, "Unknown" all the time as I tabbed and so on. I disabled any lock screens, screen savers and the like. I also uninstalled and reinstalled the video card which is an Intel HD 630.
	After doing all the above I uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but still no success. Even when I go onto the Taskbar and arrow along it, NVDA just announces, "Unknown". On the main desktop screen when I open up a context menu there is nothing, NVDA doesn't announce any of the menus options, not even announce that the menu is in fact open.
	Just wondered if there were any suggestions as to what might be going on here.

	Many thanks for a great list and wonderful program such as NVDA.

	Paul.








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--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

Mailing Lists
 

Hi Gene,

What can I say???, you are a "Legend". I just ran your command and it worked perfectly. All items are now speaking normally and I am able to work in Chrome, IE and Edge. Even context menus and the Taskbar icons read as they should.

Again, many thanks.

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday 24 July 2017 23:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

hi Paul




I had the same problem on a blind members computer saying the same sort of thing. I put the instructions up on my website so it would fix it, but some how some one is re diverting it to another site and it has taken over now even the links to the same site. so unless i can fix the problem i might even kill the domain it goes to.




I would have to check also what model she had but is a laptop by asus and is on windows 1607




I still have a copy on my computer with the instructions but you might need a sighted person to do it.




hers is the first i have come across that has done that. most times you just install nvda and it works.




the instructions are below.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys • When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour • Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it • Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows • The running applications icons are not being spoken out It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.







Gene nz





On 7/24/2017 11:01 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:


Hi All,

Got a new desktop, never used before and first thing I did was to install NVDA latest version. After navigating around the main desktop and some of the windows 10 settings screens I kept getting NVDA announcing, "Unknown" all the time as I tabbed and so on. I disabled any lock screens, screen savers and the like. I also uninstalled and reinstalled the video card which is an Intel HD 630.
After doing all the above I uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but still no success. Even when I go onto the Taskbar and arrow along it, NVDA just announces, "Unknown". On the main desktop screen when I open up a context menu there is nothing, NVDA doesn't announce any of the menus options, not even announce that the menu is in fact open.
Just wondered if there were any suggestions as to what might be going on here.

Many thanks for a great list and wonderful program such as NVDA.

Paul.








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Re: geen's site going on and off line

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Hi

Some people are getting the original site, but from here in NZ we are getting the original site on the cellphone using the mobile data on the phone, and the redirected site when using the computer or the cellphone using wifi. It looks as though the host site might have reset it (but I did not get an email to say that yet); also it might take longer for the ISP here to clear the cache from their end? Apparently clearing the cache in your browser will not do it. It needed to be done from their end. Guess I will find out more in the morning?

I am new to this kind of stuff. I will keep you posted as I learn more.

Gene NZ


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Yes this redirection is still going on. I assume you have not yet managed to contact the people who host the original yet?
Sounds like somebody has screwed up the registrations between the two addresses to me.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] geen's site going on and off line


hi


I keep on getting the one it is redirected to. But have noticed it takes alot longer for the other site to come up online.


I am wondering wy though?


I have not seen it like some come up in the browser online yet.


Gene nz


On 7/25/2017 7:36 PM, Bobby wrote:
I just wanted to tell you the site went off line again and it returns.  so the site just keeps going on and off line so some one is playing with it. Just updating you.  Hope you can get back on line for good.





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Re: geen's site going on and off line

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Yes this redirection is still going on. I assume you have not yet managed to contact the people who host the original yet?
Sounds like somebody has screwed up the registrations between the two addresses to me.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] geen's site going on and off line


hi


I keep on getting the one it is redirected to. But have noticed it takes alot longer for the other site to come up online.


I am wondering wy though?


I have not seen it like some come up in the browser online yet.


Gene nz


On 7/25/2017 7:36 PM, Bobby wrote:
I just wanted to tell you the site went off line again and it returns. so the site just keeps going on and off line so some one is playing with it. Just updating you. Hope you can get back on line for good.





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Re: Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x

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I think tthere are several replies to this one. and I'll not labour the point but despite what people say, the real danger is those unfound exploits in newer versions of windows as they are less likely to have fixes in software.
I think the logic might say that if a person is running very old machines, they are probably not worth hacking other than as a means to get to a network.

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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x


I'm sorry but microsoft stopped supporting windows XP in 2014. Why can't you upgrade to a better system instead of staying with something that isn't supported anymore. I hope you don't get malware or something that could destroy your computer so you can't use it anymore.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x

i use xp, love it and dont believe negative statement against it.
its realy great operating system forever.

On 7/24/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Well I wouldn't use xp for the net anymore its far to insecure for that.

However its good for all those 32 bit programs you need to use, ie old
games especially those that use directx 8 or whatever that is.

They are also usefull well xp is for old nokia 32 bit apps and other
older games.




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I think at present at least, XP is not really very good for web
browsing any more due to the tendency for even the working third
party browsers to be quite slow on single core machines of that vintage.

It is however still a joy to use for those of us who hate all the
issues over too much security on single user computers that 7 8 and
now 10 impose on us all.
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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code
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Hi,
NV Access said they'll support XP as long as possible, but it won't
be forever. I'm using Python 3.4 and 3.6 internally for this reason.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 4:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code
base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x

thanks for good news joseph and brian.
do you continue supporting of xp?
i became worried when i read the message for the first time.
God bless you all!

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Sounds sensible. At least this will preserve xp etc with the old
Python for

as long as possible. One thing you do not say, which may be obvious
to you,

but perhaps not to the average user is..
What are the reasons for change.
is it that its going to be faster, 64 bit or has better ways of
doing stuff

nvda needs to be able to do in the future?
Obviously not in your remit is that at some point an agreed last
working version of the old NVDA that can work on xp etc is going to
have to be made

available and then when add ons are updated, those that will and
won't run on the old version will need to be noted and if possible
trapped by the old

version so it cannot be scrambled by an add on.


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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:55 AM
Subject: [nvda] Announcing Project Pylennium: porting NVDA code
base, dependencies, and developer attitudes to Python 3.6.x


Ladies and gentlemen,



Some of you have been asking NV Access and the global NVDA
community regarding porting NVDA source code and dependencies to
Python 3. I and some contributors have been brainstorming best ways
to accomplish this, and NV Access, contributors, some add-on
writers, users, and NVDA observers agree that it is important that
we look into eventually porting NVDA to Python 3.



Until recently, the possibility of moving NVDA to Python 3 seemed
to be only a dream. However, a major hurdle was overcome earlier
this year when wxPython 4 alpha was released, promising support for
Python versions 2.7 and 3.x. Apart from a major problem regarding
certain internal routines from wxPython 4 that may not be
compatible with NVDA source code, the stage is almost set to begin
our transition to Python 3, dubbed "Project Pylennium".



Project Pylennium is a new project I'm planning and working on that
should make it easier for NV Access, code contributors, add-on
writers, users and many others to experience smooth transition to
Python 3. The overall goal

of
this project is to prepare NVDA's source code so it can run on both
Python

2
and 3 in most cases until developers are ready to move on. This
project also seeks to uncover possible compatibility issues for
NVDA community when the transition happens, and to document these
findings so it can serve as guidelines to current and future developers.



The current iteration of Project Pylennium (based on NVDA GitHub
issue
7105
as a roadmap) can be found on my copy of NVDA source code at:

https://github.com/josephsl/nvda

The branch to use is "py3000".



Project pylennium involves the following:



1. Gather dependencies required for Python 3 transition, such as
newer versions of Python, ConfigObj and many others. A crucial
dependency is the Six module, which adds compatibility layer
functions for both Python 2 and 3.
2. Document porting notes, which will eventually be published on
our NVDA Community wiki.
3. Create source-level compatibility layer in order to mitigate
changes in module names, standard library folder structure,
function and class names and so on.
4. Migrate most code to Python 3 syntax.
5. Frequent and regular testing to make sure regressions are not
introduced.



Progress so far:



1. Imports: a compatibility layer is in place to import Python 2 or
3 version of winreg, pickle, io.StringIO and what not.
2. Compiles fine via SCons 2.x.
3. Possible to see the first initialization phase of NVDA launcher
(nvda.pyw) via command line. The biggest showstopper at this time
is the fact that logHandler.StreamHandler constructor uses file
function when Python 3 says it isn't available, which suggests we
need to modernize log handler module.



Benefits:



1. Allows NV Access to look at porting data and make informed
decisions.
2. Allows contributors and Python experts to provide expertise and
prepare the source code for Python 3 transition.
3. Allows add-on authors to look at changes and prepare their
add-ons to run on Python 3.
4. Allows interested users to be involved in a major project and
provide test data.



Disadvantages:



1. We need to part ways with Windows XP and Server 2003.
2. Stress throughout the project, as it is nothing like what we've
seen recently.
3. Some add-ons will need community intervention to get them to run
on Python 3, as some are abandonware (no longer maintained by
authors or the add-ons community don't know who wrote some of them
and lost contact with some authors).
4. Possible issues in code and other ones, especially when looking
at code and attitude conflicts.



Next steps:



1. I'm looking for volunteers and subproject leads: if you are
passionate about Python, NVDA, and want to help NVDA achieve the next
milestone, please help and find folks who can assist in this
project. In
regards to subprojects, mostly have to do with dependency checks and
tests,
testing, documentation, talking to Python Software Foundation (PSF),
recruiting Python experts and what not.
2. Cooperation: as Project Pylennium is a grand-scale project, we
cannot move forward and make it a reality unless cooperation between
developers, add-on authors, users, observers and many others is there.
3. Promote: one way to keep the momentum going is promoting this
project far and wide.
4. Continued work: I'm looking into how to port urllib imports, as this
module has seen huge folder restructuring in Python 3 and other work.



What you'll need for this project:



1. Python 3.6.0 32-bit or later (3.6.2 is recommended).
2. wxPython 4 alpha 3 or later with the wheel for Python 3.5 or 3.6.
3. Six module (from PYPI).
4. ConfigObj 5.0.6.



Guidelines:



1. When sending pull requests, please do NOT send them to NV Access
yet, as folks over there are working on high priority work. Instead,
send

a
pull request against josephsl/nvda branch py3000.
2. Please provide a clear commit message when sending in pull requests
so folks can track what has changed.
3. Before you commit, please make sure to test NVDA in order to catch
regressions and write workarounds.
4. At least once a month, I will merge NV Access master branch to keep
the code up to date and incorporate changes into this project,
sometimes
requiring transforming syntax to fit Python 3 requirements.
5. If you want to port add-ons, please do so at your earliest
convenience or when you are ready. As part of this work, I myself will
port
my own add-ons to Python 3 (one of them is done; throughout this year,
I'll
port rest of my add-ons). Please do not port your add-ons to Python 3
completely - I recommend making it so it'll run happily on both Python
versions.



Thank you.

Sincerely,

Joseph








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Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

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In the scenario I had when the dlls were not registered not even the nvda menus worked.
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From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
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Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!


hi paul


Before you do it with the instructions sent while nvda is running do the following.


restart nvda, then use the nvda key + leter N to get into the preferences of NVDA.

Arrow to general settings then press the enter key. You will need to tab a few times until you hear nvda sayLogging level: debug

In your case it will say info it is a combo box and change it down to that settings, then tab down to the ok button.


repeat the process to get to this other section but down this time.


Arrow down to the tools menu a sub menu will come off it. It is called view log then press the enter key.

this will have just about every keystroke etc or or where the problems might be for the developers.


this log will need to be saved to your desktop so is easy to find. Some body should after you send it put it into a ticket i know there is one but will have to find it. I do not have access to do this.


you can not send it as a attachment as it gets stripped out of the emails so might have to be sent in one.


make sure the steps for in the general section are done first set the level to debug or what ever the setting is in this email.


then do the log stuff. make sure you tab around etc where the problems were saying unknow etc so it catches it so hopefully a update to the ticket can be done.


gene nz



On 7/24/2017 11:01 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:

Hi All,

Got a new desktop, never used before and first thing I did was to install NVDA latest version. After navigating around the main desktop and some of the windows 10 settings screens I kept getting NVDA announcing, "Unknown" all the time as I tabbed and so on. I disabled any lock screens, screen savers and the like. I also uninstalled and reinstalled the video card which is an Intel HD 630.
After doing all the above I uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but still no success. Even when I go onto the Taskbar and arrow along it, NVDA just announces, "Unknown". On the main desktop screen when I open up a context menu there is nothing, NVDA doesn't announce any of the menus options, not even announce that the menu is in fact open.
Just wondered if there were any suggestions as to what might be going on here.

Many thanks for a great list and wonderful program such as NVDA.

Paul.








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Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

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No this effect seems quite common sometimes, but I've no idea where the bottleneck is.
In fact a similar lag can also occur when you edit file name to add a path in the filname field the typing often is several seconds behind for a while then suddenly catches up.
I've seen this on Word, Firefox and other software too.
Windows 7 64 latest master but its the same on the release version. Lots of watchdog messing about in log usually as if a lot of core use has stalled it.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the save
as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift tab to
make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

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So what has mshtml got to do with a browser running a mozzilla html system one wonders.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Quentin,
While I do not have any specifics to offer at the moment, I believe I
have experienced this same issue on a number of occasions. I shall
conduct extensive testing a little later, but it is worth noting that
NVDA did announce the appearance of the Save As dialog when pressing
Ctrl+S in Firefox 54.0.1 stable on my Windows 8.1 system, but with a
conspicuous 5 second lag and the following log contents:
kb(laptop):control+s
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:05:12):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 391, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 361, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 873, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 655, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 530, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 59, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 188, in findBestAPIClass
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 439, in kwargsFromSuper
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 155, in
HTMLNodeFromIAccessible
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1111, in QueryService

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (11:05:12):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 361, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 873, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 655, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 530, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 69, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 546, in __init__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 21, in __get__
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - comtypesMonkeyPatches.newCpbDel (11:05:13):
COM pointer <POINTER(IAccessibleTable) ptr=0x0 at 4ce8f30> already deleted
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (11:05:13):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 391, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 361, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 873, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 669, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 685, in processFocusNVDAEvent
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 633, in
_get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 1045, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyo", line 1028, in correctAPIForRelation
File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyo", line 300, in correctAPIForRelation
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 76, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 608, in __init__
File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyo", line 50, in newCpbDel
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 263, in __getattr__

Thanks.

On 7/25/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Dan,

What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?)
and also which version of Windows?

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:

Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the
save as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift
tab to make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Heliopolis and Pylennium projects: progress, next wxPython 4 powered snapshot posted

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

For new people: the following may not concern you unless you are eager to try absolutely latest alpha-level code, interested in helping out with coding and testing, or curious about what goes on in some development labs. Also, note that I (Joseph Lee) do not work for NV Access.

 

I’m here to report on the progress of two projects I’m working on:

 

  • Heliopolis: let NVDA’s GUI be powered by wxPython 4 (Project Phoenix). I’m happy to announce the release of the next snapshot (20170725), powered by latest NVDA master snapshot code and wxPython 4 beta 1. For those of you who’ve used previous snapshots from this family, the major wx.Yield bug remains, and it appears it’s time to come up with our own solution (ask Jamie as to why). The new snapshot can be found at:

http://www.josephsl.net/files/bin/nvda_snapshot_wxPy4-20170725.exe

 

For new people: Project Heliopolis (Greek for “sun city”) is meant to test NVDA with wxPython 4.0.0. Use of wxPython 4 is a critical milestone before we can embark fully on Pylennium (see below).

 

  • Pylennium: Moving onto Python 3. As of latest commit, you’ll be able to see first moments of NVDA’s initialization (core.main up to an attempt to initialize app module handler) via command line (Python 3’s python.exe). In order to see this, you need the following dependencies installed or copied to misc-deps/python directory: Python 3.6.x (I use 3.4.3 internally for now), comtypes 1.1.3, configobj 5.0.6, wxPython 4.0.0, pywin32 221, six 1.10.0. Also, before copying misc-deps/python modules, you need to run scons source at least once under Python 2.7 to build the source code copy BEFORE “upgrading” to Python 3 dependencies. In case of wxPython, you need to use the wheel designed for the Python release you plan to test with. I’m using Python 3.4 so basic porting can happen, release a source code level snapshot that should run on Windows XP, and then switch to Python 3.6 and start gathering ideas in using Python 3 modules fully (such as collections.ChainMap, asyncio and what not). I expect this project to take about a year or so to complete, including porting add-ons. At the moment the biggest showstoppers are attribute error exception in nvwave when WavePlayer.__del__ is called (resulting in failure to initialize audio output subsystem), inability to gather log output due to file() versus (open() functions, and Python 3 and liblouis is disputing Unicode width.

 

For new people: NVDA is written in Python 2.7, but there were numerous feedback regarding switching the source code to Python 3. NV Access staff and some contributors believe that next year would be a good time to port bulk of NVDA to Python 3, but I figured it’d be a good idea to lay the foundation and send a report to the community regarding preparations and what to expect in the end. The name “pylennium” is a combination of “python” and “millennium”, with the latter term coming from Python 3000.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: geen's site going on and off line

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


I keep on getting the one it is redirected to. But have noticed it takes alot longer for the other site to come up online.


I am wondering wy though?


I have not seen it like some come up in the browser online yet.


Gene nz



On 7/25/2017 7:36 PM, Bobby wrote:
I just wanted to tell you the site went off line again and it returns.  so the site just keeps going on and off line so some one is playing with it.  Just updating you.  Hope you can get back on line for good.





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


geen's site going on and off line

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

I just wanted to tell you the site went off line again and it returns. so the site just keeps going on and off line so some one is playing with it. Just updating you. Hope you can get back on line for good.


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi gene


it is the free account i put it in.


I can not see how i think 2 people can see the site online.

When after clearing the cache etc in all of my browsers it still comes up with the other site.


All the browsers were reset yesterday and after clearing the cache it still comes up as the other site



so i am at a loss?

Gene nz

On 7/25/2017 4:23 PM, Gene wrote:
I see that the file is only 1.1mb, which is much smaller than I anticipated.  But it still might be worth considering data restrictions unless you are using the paid account in which case, I suspect they won't matter.  But I'm not sure.
 
At any rate, you may have already thought about these things and you may have determined that there is no cause for concern.  I'll be looking forward to your reply.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie




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Re: KeePass

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I use it on a daily basis and never had any accessibility problems with it.
I'd strongly recommend anyone not to use a cloud-based solution for password management as that's what hackers will try to target. I mean, having a server with a big label on it saying "here there be passwords" is kind of an invitation.
Kind regards,
Felix

nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> schrieb am Di., 25. Juli 2017 um 08:45 Uhr:

hi travis and quentin.
thanks so much for your comments.
whats the different between password manager programs and usual way
which we enter password manually?
is it possible for users that dont save any informations in there
browsers to use such program?
what does it do for us?
thanks again, God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

On 7/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
> Thank you, Quentin. That's one of the reasons I became attracted to the idea
> of it, that it's free and open sourced. No, it doesn't use the cloud or
> servers such as LastPass and other competitors, but that's not foolproof
> anyway as my LastPass account was hacked recently based on a supposedly 100%
> secure master password, and I spent a good day or two changing all my
> passwords as a result, and doing my best to convince Netflix that, no, I did
> not live in Brazil, and that I did speak English, not Spanish, and live in
> the US. What a mess. I'm just glad it wasn't more costly than that.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quentin Christensen
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>
>
> As a bonus, Keepass is free and open source, so you can try both and keep
> whichever one you like.  Note you can import Keepass 1.x files into Keepass
> 2.x but not the other way around (as Keepass 2 has more features):
> http://keepass.info/help/v2/version.html
>
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
>   Thank you Quentin. It appears that v1 and v2 are a matter of user choice,
> and that both are accessible enough. I'll take a look at both and decide. V1
> might be enough as my needs are basic.
>   Travis
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Quentin Christensen
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>
>
>   Hi Travis,
>
>
>   I use KeePass version 1 and find it quite good.  There are a couple of
> unlabelled buttons.  The main ones I use which aren't labelled are one tab
> after the first password field is "show password", and the one after the
> second password field is to generate a password.  Other than that,
> everything works fine with NVDA.
>
>
>   Just reading through the documentation for you, it does say: "
>     a.. [2.x] Accessibility: KeePass 2.x features an advanced option that
> explicitly optimizes the user interface for screen readers."
>
>
>   I initially chose V1 because I didn't need any of the extra features in
> V2: http://keepass.info/compare.html
>
>
>   So it might be that V2 is even more accessible, although in fact, V1 isn't
> that far off.
>
>   Regards
>
>
>   Quentin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>
>     It seems that there was a recent discussion of KeePass on this list, but
> don't remember for sure as we've been dealing with moves and other personal
> stuff, so emails didn't always get kept or read. If I'm remembering right,
> how accessible is it with NVDA. I think I also remember reading somewhere
> that there are two active releases of the program, a version 1 and a version
> 2. Is one better than the other for us? Thanks so much for any advice and
> help.
>     Travis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   --
>
>   Quentin Christensen
>   Training and Support Manager
>
>
>   Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>   Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>   www.nvaccess.org
>   Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>   Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>


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Re: KeePass

 

hi travis and quentin.
thanks so much for your comments.
whats the different between password manager programs and usual way
which we enter password manually?
is it possible for users that dont save any informations in there
browsers to use such program?
what does it do for us?
thanks again, God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.

On 7/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
Thank you, Quentin. That's one of the reasons I became attracted to the idea
of it, that it's free and open sourced. No, it doesn't use the cloud or
servers such as LastPass and other competitors, but that's not foolproof
anyway as my LastPass account was hacked recently based on a supposedly 100%
secure master password, and I spent a good day or two changing all my
passwords as a result, and doing my best to convince Netflix that, no, I did
not live in Brazil, and that I did speak English, not Spanish, and live in
the US. What a mess. I'm just glad it wasn't more costly than that.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass


As a bonus, Keepass is free and open source, so you can try both and keep
whichever one you like. Note you can import Keepass 1.x files into Keepass
2.x but not the other way around (as Keepass 2 has more features):
http://keepass.info/help/v2/version.html


Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

Thank you Quentin. It appears that v1 and v2 are a matter of user choice,
and that both are accessible enough. I'll take a look at both and decide. V1
might be enough as my needs are basic.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Quentin Christensen
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass


Hi Travis,


I use KeePass version 1 and find it quite good. There are a couple of
unlabelled buttons. The main ones I use which aren't labelled are one tab
after the first password field is "show password", and the one after the
second password field is to generate a password. Other than that,
everything works fine with NVDA.


Just reading through the documentation for you, it does say: "
a.. [2.x] Accessibility: KeePass 2.x features an advanced option that
explicitly optimizes the user interface for screen readers."


I initially chose V1 because I didn't need any of the extra features in
V2: http://keepass.info/compare.html


So it might be that V2 is even more accessible, although in fact, V1 isn't
that far off.

Regards


Quentin.






On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

It seems that there was a recent discussion of KeePass on this list, but
don't remember for sure as we've been dealing with moves and other personal
stuff, so emails didn't always get kept or read. If I'm remembering right,
how accessible is it with NVDA. I think I also remember reading somewhere
that there are two active releases of the program, a version 1 and a version
2. Is one better than the other for us? Thanks so much for any advice and
help.
Travis







--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess








--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org