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Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

I am so happy for you, because you did so much work with that site, and you have so much info on there. Thanks a lot, Gene for all you do for us on there! I am so happy that it is back, and may it never go away and may it be protected.

Have a great one, Gene!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

I can see the website on my side of the world now cross fingers it never happens again.

 

I am stoked to see it back in its place and not been redirected like in the last week.

 

it seemed really weird though that after the site was drop boxed for the list after that not sure how long but reports started to come in that some people could see the website even if it was going up and down.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/26/2017 7:14 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.

 

 

On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:

I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.

 

until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.

 

you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
 
Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.
 
It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.
 
Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I can see the website on my side of the world now cross fingers it never happens again.


I am stoked to see it back in its place and not been redirected like in the last week.


it seemed really weird though that after the site was drop boxed for the list after that not sure how long but reports started to come in that some people could see the website even if it was going up and down.


Gene nz



On 7/26/2017 7:14 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Virus-free. www.avast.com

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: how do I go nomail?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Nvda+help@groups.io

Thx, Albert

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: XP warnings

Gene
 

I don't know if individuals can and it's very expensive, probably costing thousands of dollars a year for the service.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] XP warnings

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security
patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later versions of
> Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to make them more
> secure.  But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft, Microsoft will send
> security patches for XP to the entities.  But the entities must pay for the
> service.  I have no idea if this is being done, but if you spend some money,
> it can be.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: The Gamages
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] XP warnings
>
>
> Hello,
>
> To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps
> you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5
> billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the
> warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
> The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the
> operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust
> politicians
>
> don’t we?
> Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards, Jim.
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: XP warnings

 

Hi,
No, not as a user.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] XP warnings

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later
versions of Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to
make them more secure. But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft,
Microsoft will send security patches for XP to the entities. But the
entities must pay for the service. I have no idea if this is being
done, but if you spend some money, it can be.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] XP warnings


Hello,

To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system,
perhaps you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the
brand new 3.5 billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating
system. If the warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding
the operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all
trust politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?




Best Regards, Jim.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org


Re: XP warnings

 

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security
patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later versions of
Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to make them more
secure. But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft, Microsoft will send
security patches for XP to the entities. But the entities must pay for the
service. I have no idea if this is being done, but if you spend some money,
it can be.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] XP warnings


Hello,

To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps
you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5
billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the
warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the
operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust
politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?




Best Regards, Jim.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Creating a YouTube channel and uploading to it

Albert Ruel
 

Does anyone know of a good tutorial that will help me create a new tube channel and upload to it as a NVDA user.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone


Re: how do I go nomail?

Albert Ruel
 

Nvda+help@groups.io

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


nvda on windows server 2003

mattias
 

Wich nvda will work on win server 2003

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: how do I go nomail?

Gene
 

If you have set up an account, that may be the place to do so. 
 
Below my signature is a list of e-mail commands for managing the NVDA list bby e-mail.  Will people please save the following information for reference?  I've sent it out once or twice in the past.  I'm not trying to give people a hard time, but there are certain things that should be kept. 
 
Gene
To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web), send an email to:
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
To resume normal delivery, send a message to:
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
 
Note that if you go nomail, you can resume delivery by sending a command for the kind of delivery you want, the command given above for individual message delivery or either of the digest commands. 
 
Posting To This Group
---------------------
 
To send a message to this group, send the message to:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
Changing Your Subscription
--------------------------
 
To join this group, send an email to:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
Email Delivery Options
----------------------
 
To receive plain digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive individual messages instead of digests, send an email to:
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
 
To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web), send an email to:
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
 
Contacting The Group Owner
--------------------------
 
To contact the owners of this group, send an email to:
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io
 
Cheers,
The Groups.io Team
 
Amended copy2
A number of people keep leaving and then subscribing again later, Sometimes on the same day, sometimes a number of days later. This is unnecessary and inefficient.  You can stop receiving mail by going no mail.  You can resume delivery whenever you want.  It is also inefficient in terms of having mail delivered you send to the list. 
 
As an antispam measure, Groups.io has instituted a policy that cannot be changed.  Every new member must have the first message he/she sends to the group approved before it or any later message reaches the list.  That's to avoid spambots sending mail that would otherwise reach the list.  The owner or moderators of a list can clearly tell what is spam and simply not approve it.  After the first message by a member is approved, nothing more needs approval before it reaches the list. 
 
Here are a list of common e-mail commands to perform tasks related to the list.  The list also contains a brief explanation of how to resume delivery. 
The list begins below my signature.  It is from Groups.IO help.
 
I have added the part about how to resume after going nomail.
 
Gene
 
To go nomail Send an e-mail to
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
To resume with normal delivery send an e-mail to
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
To receive plain digests instead of individual messages after going no mail,  send an email to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
To receive full featured digests after going no mail send an e-mail to
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
 
Note that all of these commands can be used both to resume delivery in the form you wish or they can be used to change the form of delivery if you are already receiving mail. 
 
Here is the full list of commands, as sent by Groups.IO help.
Posting To This Group
---------------------
 
To send a message to this group, send the message to:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
 
Changing Your Subscription
--------------------------
 
To join this group, send an email to:
nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io
 
Email Delivery Options
----------------------
 
To receive plain digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive full featured digests instead of individual messages send an email to:
nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io
 
To receive individual messages instead of digests, send an email to:
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
 
To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web), send an email to:
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
 
Contacting The Group Owner
--------------------------
 
To contact the owners of this group, send an email to:
nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

From: Arlene
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: XP warnings

Gene
 

No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later versions of Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to make them more secure.  But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft, Microsoft will send security patches for XP to the entities.  But the entities must pay for the service.  I have no idea if this is being done, but if you spend some money, it can be. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] XP warnings

Hello,
 
To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5 billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust

politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?
 
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: how do I go nomail?

Arlene
 

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


XP warnings

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5 billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust

politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?
 
 
 
 
Best Regards, Jim.


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Gene
 

It may be that DNS servers are finding and correcting where the site address resolves.  When a web site changes its address, as I recall, it takes a day or two for DNS servers around the world to update themselves.  In this case, for some reason, malicious, accidental, or whatever, the name of the site was resolving to a different page.  This has evidently been corrected and now the DNS servers are updating the numeric address they use when the web site name is used.
 
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi just in the last few minutes the site has gone back to normal again. I
guess its gradually clearing out the faulty pages in caches around the world
now.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't
have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there
is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is
the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual
server itself?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi guys




it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website
that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not
go to it just in case.




until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a
program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.




you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on
it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it
says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box
account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted
out.

the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it
looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any
reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz


On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page
until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged
resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I just tried the site and it's working fine now.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

I was also able to go to it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

I just checked your site out of curiosity and guess what?  Your site is back.  It appears that the Drop Box file need not be used and that people may use your site again.  I went there with scripts turned off for safety reasons and I would advise those using Internet Explorer to have both scripts turned off and active X controls off to until we are assured the site is safe again.  But it appears that it is.  I'm not sure what or if any testing needs to be done to be sure.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.

 

until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.

 

you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
 
Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.
 
It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.
 
Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: KeePass

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Remembering passwords is something of a security risk. Unfortunately, the various rules and regulations around passwords mean you have too many passwords to remember and they're frequently obscure. Also, it's common for people to have more than one device. Some people even have three or four devices. Modern browsers remember your passwords across devices, which is too hellishly convenient for words.

Fortunately on Modern devices, it is usually possible to attach your keychain to a fingerprint. When you have to swipe your print in order to get your password entered, the security risk is substantially reduced.

On July 25, 2017 11:27:07 AM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

I've seen different articles that advise against having browsers remember passwords as a security risk. 
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass

I've failed miserably to get Firefox to remember passwords. I'm obviously
not doing it right.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass


> There are a number of ways of keeping track of passwords:
> - Most browsers will offer to remember passwords for you.  This may be
> local, or on the cloud (If you log in to either FireFox or Chrome, I know
> they can remember your favourites / bookmarks across devices, and I think
> passwords as well).
> - There are dedicated programs (such as Keepass) which will keep your
> passwords in one place, locally.
> - There are also dedicated programs that will keep your passwords online
> so
> you can easily access them across devices
> - Or you can keep them manually (either in your head, on a notepad or
> recorded by the PC or on a file in say, notepad ON the PC).
>
> Which way you go really is personal choice.  I prefer an option like
> Keepass which keeps the passwords locked up but in a local file, so it's
> harder for anyone who shouldn't to get access to it.  Cloud based
> solutions
> have the benefit of easy access across devices, but as has already been
> demonstrated, there is the potential for them to be hacked and then you
> could potentially lose, or have to replace ALL your passwords (LastPass -
> a
> cloud based password service, got hacked last year).
>
> Using a password manager also has the benefit of being able to generate
> random passwords - and because they're being kept in the program, they can
> be easily made unique and complex for every site.  Using your browser is
> convenient for a lot of people, though they often don't offer that
> service,
> you still have to create a password.
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:45 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> wrote:
>
>> hi travis and quentin.
>> thanks so much for your comments.
>> whats the different between password manager programs and usual way
>> which we enter password manually?
>> is it possible for users that dont save any informations in there
>> browsers to use such program?
>> what does it do for us?
>> thanks again, God bless you and i sincerely pray for you every day.
>>
>> On 7/25/17, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>> > Thank you, Quentin. That's one of the reasons I became attracted to the
>> idea
>> > of it, that it's free and open sourced. No, it doesn't use the cloud or
>> > servers such as LastPass and other competitors, but that's not
>> > foolproof
>> > anyway as my LastPass account was hacked recently based on a supposedly
>> 100%
>> > secure master password, and I spent a good day or two changing all my
>> > passwords as a result, and doing my best to convince Netflix that, no,
>> > I
>> did
>> > not live in Brazil, and that I did speak English, not Spanish, and live
>> in
>> > the US. What a mess. I'm just glad it wasn't more costly than that.
>> > Travis
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Quentin Christensen
>> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:41 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>> >
>> >
>> > As a bonus, Keepass is free and open source, so you can try both and
>> > keep
>> > whichever one you like.  Note you can import Keepass 1.x files into
>> Keepass
>> > 2.x but not the other way around (as Keepass 2 has more features):
>> > http://keepass.info/help/v2/version.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >   Thank you Quentin. It appears that v1 and v2 are a matter of user
>> choice,
>> > and that both are accessible enough. I'll take a look at both and
>> decide. V1
>> > might be enough as my needs are basic.
>> >   Travis
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   From: Quentin Christensen
>> >   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >   Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:43 PM
>> >   Subject: Re: [nvda] KeePass
>> >
>> >
>> >   Hi Travis,
>> >
>> >
>> >   I use KeePass version 1 and find it quite good.  There are a couple
>> > of
>> > unlabelled buttons.  The main ones I use which aren't labelled are one
>> tab
>> > after the first password field is "show password", and the one after
>> > the
>> > second password field is to generate a password.  Other than that,
>> > everything works fine with NVDA.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Just reading through the documentation for you, it does say: "
>> >     a.. [2.x] Accessibility: KeePass 2.x features an advanced option
>> > that
>> > explicitly optimizes the user interface for screen readers."
>> >
>> >
>> >   I initially chose V1 because I didn't need any of the extra features
>> > in
>> > V2: http://keepass.info/compare.html
>> >
>> >
>> >   So it might be that V2 is even more accessible, although in fact, V1
>> isn't
>> > that far off.
>> >
>> >   Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >   Quentin.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
>> >
>> >     It seems that there was a recent discussion of KeePass on this
>> > list,
>> but
>> > don't remember for sure as we've been dealing with moves and other
>> personal
>> > stuff, so emails didn't always get kept or read. If I'm remembering
>> right,
>> > how accessible is it with NVDA. I think I also remember reading
>> > somewhere
>> > that there are two active releases of the program, a version 1 and a
>> version
>> > 2. Is one better than the other for us? Thanks so much for any advice
>> > and
>> > help.
>> >     Travis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   --
>> >
>> >   Quentin Christensen
>> >   Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> >
>> >   Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> >
>> >   Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> >   www.nvaccess.org
>> >   Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >   Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> >
>> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> > available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> >
>> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> > www.nvaccess.org
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>




Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

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Hi just in the last few minutes the site has gone back to normal again. I guess its gradually clearing out the faulty pages in caches around the world now.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


I got the correct site just now. I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense. I wonder if there is a DNS problem? Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi guys




it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.




until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.




you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz


On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No indeed. Is this line actually being put up in a prominent position for nvda new users, perhaps somebody should do so.

Its interesting and I wonder if the 64 bit files are also so unregistered, and also whether there is a location in the register that is a way to see these facts, a flag set or something.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!


We'll have to see what happens in future. If we get such other reports we will have to see if they are all from the same company or the same company and model of machine. I believe in both the current case and the last one, the brand of computer was the same. I don't know if the model was the same. New computers shouldn't have these files unregistered.

Gene
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From: Mailing Lists
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!


Hi Gene,

What can I say???, you are a "Legend". I just ran your command and it worked perfectly. All items are now speaking normally and I am able to work in Chrome, IE and Edge. Even context menus and the Taskbar icons read as they should.

Again, many thanks.

Paul.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday 24 July 2017 23:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.2 on new desktop PC announcing Unknown!

hi Paul




I had the same problem on a blind members computer saying the same sort of thing. I put the instructions up on my website so it would fix it, but some how some one is re diverting it to another site and it has taken over now even the links to the same site. so unless i can fix the problem i might even kill the domain it goes to.




I would have to check also what model she had but is a laptop by asus and is on windows 1607




I still have a copy on my computer with the instructions but you might need a sighted person to do it.




hers is the first i have come across that has done that. most times you just install nvda and it works.




the instructions are below.




Troubleshooting - NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places If for some reason you have problems with NVDA saying “unknown” or “pane” check for the following symptoms:

In all of your browsers, or the Mozilla Thunderbird email client, no matter what you do, you still hear “unknown” or “pane”.

In the browser, email client and other menus you notice you cannot get into your menus, or you are unable to use the quick navigation keys • When you have been told the page is loaded and notice strange behaviour • Mozilla Thunderbird saying unknown while you try to navigate it • Your applications key does not work with it being spoken out and other strange behaviour in Windows • The running applications icons are not being spoken out It might be a good idea to do the following:
Please note: If you are hearing “unknown” or “pane” (as discussed above) NVDA might seem like it is still working properly but it may not be completely in Windows and other programmes.
You could try the following solution which will allow you to re-register your dll files in case they are causing the problem.
Press the Windows key then type the following into the search box. Type in “command prompt”. Once you have located command prompt, in the search results, press the Applications key to bring up the context menu. Arrow down to select “run as administrator” and press the Enter key. This will take you to a command prompt window. This will not be spoken out. You may need sighted assistance for this.
Type in the following command
for %x in (c:\windows\system32\*.dll) do regsvr32 /s %x This should re-register all components in the system32 folder.
When it is finished, you can close the command prompt window with the Alt + F4 key. You should notice now where NVDA was saying “unknown” as in some examples given, NVDA should now read the icons in the running applications area of Windows, speak the content of the webpage and menus, and also in Mozilla Thunderbird and other places in Windows including the Windows applications context menu.







Gene nz





On 7/24/2017 11:01 PM, Mailing Lists wrote:


Hi All,

Got a new desktop, never used before and first thing I did was to install NVDA latest version. After navigating around the main desktop and some of the windows 10 settings screens I kept getting NVDA announcing, "Unknown" all the time as I tabbed and so on. I disabled any lock screens, screen savers and the like. I also uninstalled and reinstalled the video card which is an Intel HD 630.
After doing all the above I uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but still no success. Even when I go onto the Taskbar and arrow along it, NVDA just announces, "Unknown". On the main desktop screen when I open up a context menu there is nothing, NVDA doesn't announce any of the menus options, not even announce that the menu is in fact open.
Just wondered if there were any suggestions as to what might be going on here.

Many thanks for a great list and wonderful program such as NVDA.

Paul.








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Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

Dan Thompson
 

Hi Brian are you suggesting I get an add-in. I wasn't sure what all the lines of programing was for. Thanks for your help.

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

I just had it while typing in after it had come up, this was I think due to problems with the list of suggestions generated when you start to type.

DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (15:45:38.900):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms IO - speech.speak (15:45:38.911):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'blank'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:45:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (15:45:49.157):
Speaking character u'l'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (15:45:49.157):

Only a few seconds but enough to make it sound really odd.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


It happens in a lot of programs.
In most cases, it will announce the window, but lots of time later...

Here is the log using last Next version of NVDA:
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (12:02:55.132):
Input: kb(desktop):control+g
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (12:02:55.398):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementIAccessible object at
0x051B8410>
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (12:02:55.400):
Braille regions text: [u'Sem t\xedtulo - Bloco de notas indispon\xedvel ',
u'Editor de Texto mln ed\xe7 ', u'as ']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (12:02:55.401):
Braille window dots: 1 234 -
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:55.910):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.009):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.013):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.131):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:56.775):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 558, in __init__
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 909, in getIAccIdentity
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1078, in QueryInterface

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (12:02:56.829):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 637, in
_get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 918, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 385, in
findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
IO - speech.speak (12:02:58.977):
Speaking [u'Guardar como Janela Nome de ficheiro: Nome de
ficheiro:\nGuardar com o tipo: Guardar com o tipo:']



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 25 de julho de 2017 04:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Dan,

What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?)
and also which version of Windows?

Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...>
wrote:


Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the
save as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift
tab to make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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