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Re: Help with Find command

Gene
 

I saw from another message that you were following the correct procedure before the program changed.  But I'll give you the link to the tutorial so you can see information about screen review or anything else the tutorial covers.  It is not for the current version of NVDA but most of the information is still current.  Not all, however so you may want to ask about something that doesn't work.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with Find command

I'd like that tutorial link thanks.
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with Find command

NVDA numpad 6 is an object navigation command to move to the next object.  It sounds to me as though you want to read the status line.  The command to read the status line is NVDA key end.  I don't use word so I don't know if that is where the information will be displayed but using the read next object command is unlikely to just happen to move you to such information in circumstances like this. 
 
Based on what you are hearing, there is no next or previous object where you are.  If you are in a dialog, you may be able to move up and down in the dialog by using the read previous line and read next line.  Those commands are just plain numpad 4 and just plain Numpad 6.  If you don't understand the difference between the different ways of reviewing text on screen, I can send you a link to a tutorial where such matters are explained.  I haven't looked at the sections of the tutorial to cover the information but the tutorial is popular.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with Find command

I’m working with some documents in MS Word 2016 and having trouble with the “Find” command, I am pressing Control/F and entering the text I am looking for. Then I press NVDA/numpad 6 to hear the number of occurrences of the text I am looking for. That’s the part I can’t get to work. NVDA/numpad 6 is just telling me “no next”. If I try NVDA/numpad 4, I get “no previous”. What am I missing? Thanks.

 

Gene

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Re: Help with Find command

Quentin Christensen
 

Greg is doing what I put in the Microsoft Word with NVDA module.  Which worked great when I wrote it.... Evidently Microsoft have changed how that find toolbar works, yippee!

Ok, if you type your search term, press TAB twice and it will say "Previous result".  You can then press NVDA+numpad 4 (laptop: NVDA+shift+left arrow) to move to the previous item, which is the number of results.

If there are no results, when you press TAB twice, it will say "Tab control, Results tab selected".  There is a piece of text before that (and before the headings and pages tab headers) which reads "No matches" but it's not proving easy to get to.

The good thing about Office 365 is that you may not need to wait for Office 2019 for things to be fixed, added or updated.  The bad thing about Office 365, is it's proving to be a moving target in trying to pin down exactly how to do some tasks.

This is the perfect example - visually, that find toolbar doesn't look any different to how it previously look, so most users wouldn't even noticed any change, but it's often little changes like this which can easily trip up keyboard and screen reader users.

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 12:36 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
NVDA numpad 6 is an object navigation command to move to the next object.  It sounds to me as though you want to read the status line.  The command to read the status line is NVDA key end.  I don't use word so I don't know if that is where the information will be displayed but using the read next object command is unlikely to just happen to move you to such information in circumstances like this. 
 
Based on what you are hearing, there is no next or previous object where you are.  If you are in a dialog, you may be able to move up and down in the dialog by using the read previous line and read next line.  Those commands are just plain numpad 4 and just plain Numpad 6.  If you don't understand the difference between the different ways of reviewing text on screen, I can send you a link to a tutorial where such matters are explained.  I haven't looked at the sections of the tutorial to cover the information but the tutorial is popular.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with Find command

I’m working with some documents in MS Word 2016 and having trouble with the “Find” command, I am pressing Control/F and entering the text I am looking for. Then I press NVDA/numpad 6 to hear the number of occurrences of the text I am looking for. That’s the part I can’t get to work. NVDA/numpad 6 is just telling me “no next”. If I try NVDA/numpad 4, I get “no previous”. What am I missing? Thanks.

 

Gene

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Re: Help with Find command

Andy
 


I'd like that tutorial link thanks.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help with Find command

NVDA numpad 6 is an object navigation command to move to the next object.  It sounds to me as though you want to read the status line.  The command to read the status line is NVDA key end.  I don't use word so I don't know if that is where the information will be displayed but using the read next object command is unlikely to just happen to move you to such information in circumstances like this. 
 
Based on what you are hearing, there is no next or previous object where you are.  If you are in a dialog, you may be able to move up and down in the dialog by using the read previous line and read next line.  Those commands are just plain numpad 4 and just plain Numpad 6.  If you don't understand the difference between the different ways of reviewing text on screen, I can send you a link to a tutorial where such matters are explained.  I haven't looked at the sections of the tutorial to cover the information but the tutorial is popular.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with Find command

I’m working with some documents in MS Word 2016 and having trouble with the “Find” command, I am pressing Control/F and entering the text I am looking for. Then I press NVDA/numpad 6 to hear the number of occurrences of the text I am looking for. That’s the part I can’t get to work. NVDA/numpad 6 is just telling me “no next”. If I try NVDA/numpad 4, I get “no previous”. What am I missing? Thanks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message ----- 
NVDA Newbie

Andy
 

I use JAWS as my primary screen reader, but have begun using NVDA now that I have installed the Elequence and Vocalizer voices.
Does NVDA have a "read all" command like JAWS? and how do I get the keyboard to echo words rather than every character?
 
Thanks,
Andy
 
Re: Help with Find command

Gene
 

NVDA numpad 6 is an object navigation command to move to the next object.  It sounds to me as though you want to read the status line.  The command to read the status line is NVDA key end.  I don't use word so I don't know if that is where the information will be displayed but using the read next object command is unlikely to just happen to move you to such information in circumstances like this. 
 
Based on what you are hearing, there is no next or previous object where you are.  If you are in a dialog, you may be able to move up and down in the dialog by using the read previous line and read next line.  Those commands are just plain numpad 4 and just plain Numpad 6.  If you don't understand the difference between the different ways of reviewing text on screen, I can send you a link to a tutorial where such matters are explained.  I haven't looked at the sections of the tutorial to cover the information but the tutorial is popular.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Help with Find command

I’m working with some documents in MS Word 2016 and having trouble with the “Find” command, I am pressing Control/F and entering the text I am looking for. Then I press NVDA/numpad 6 to hear the number of occurrences of the text I am looking for. That’s the part I can’t get to work. NVDA/numpad 6 is just telling me “no next”. If I try NVDA/numpad 4, I get “no previous”. What am I missing? Thanks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message ----- 
Help with Find command

Greg Rhodes
 

I’m working with some documents in MS Word 2016 and having trouble with the “Find” command, I am pressing Control/F and entering the text I am looking for. Then I press NVDA/numpad 6 to hear the number of occurrences of the text I am looking for. That’s the part I can’t get to work. NVDA/numpad 6 is just telling me “no next”. If I try NVDA/numpad 4, I get “no previous”. What am I missing? Thanks.

 
Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

Quentin Christensen
 

Dan,

No the code that Brian posted was messages from the log file - to help diagnose and try to fix the issue.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:35 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...> wrote:
Hi Brian are you suggesting I get an add-in.  I wasn't sure what all the lines of programing was for. Thanks for your help.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

I just had it while typing in after it had come up, this was I think due to problems with the list of suggestions generated when you start to type.

DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (15:45:38.900):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms IO - speech.speak (15:45:38.911):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'blank'] IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:45:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (15:45:49.157):
Speaking character u'l'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (15:45:49.157):

Only a few seconds but enough to make it sound really odd.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


> It happens in a lot of programs.
> In most cases, it will announce the window, but lots of time later...
>
> Here is the log using last Next version of NVDA:
> IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (12:02:55.132):
> Input: kb(desktop):control+g
> DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (12:02:55.398):
> Potential unimplemented child class:
> <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementIAccessible object at
> 0x051B8410>
> IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (12:02:55.400):
> Braille regions text: [u'Sem t\xedtulo - Bloco de notas indispon\xedvel ',
> u'Editor de Texto mln ed\xe7 ', u'as ']
> IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (12:02:55.401):
> Braille window dots: 1 234 -
> DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:55.910):
> Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
>  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
>  File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
>  File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
>  File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
>  File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 889, in pumpAll
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in
> getNVDAObjectFromEvent
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
>  File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent
>
> DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
> (12:02:56.009):
> accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
> None, None, 0, None))
> DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
> (12:02:56.013):
> accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
> None, None, 0, None))
> DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
> (12:02:56.016):
> accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
> None, None, 0, None))
> DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
> (12:02:56.131):
> accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
> None, None, 0, None))
> DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:56.775):
> Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
>  File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
>  File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
>  File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
>  File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
>  File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in
> getNVDAObjectFromEvent
>  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 71, in __call__
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 558, in __init__
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 909, in getIAccIdentity
>  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1078, in QueryInterface
>
> DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (12:02:56.829):
> errors in this core pump cycle
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
>  File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 637, in
> _get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 918, in _get_parent
>  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 78, in __call__
>  File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 385, in
> findOverlayClasses
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
>  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
>  File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init
> CallCancelled
> IO - speech.speak (12:02:58.977):
> Speaking [u'Guardar como  Janela  Nome de ficheiro: Nome de
> ficheiro:\nGuardar com o tipo: Guardar com o tipo:']
>
>
>
> -----Mensagem Original-----
> De: Quentin Christensen
> Data: 25 de julho de 2017 04:32
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box
>
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?)
> and also which version of Windows?
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@...>
> wrote:
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the
> save as box is not announced as being opened.  I then tab once and shift
> tab to make it  be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
> somewhere?
>
> Thanks for any help in advance.
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Re: XP warnings

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 04:21 pm, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Xp is quite secure as long as you don't have to go online via standard net.
Which brings us full circle as far as your average home or business user goes:   It's neither safe nor secure, and hasn't been for some time.

When you add in the fact that the version of IE that runs under XP is not even allowed to access certain websites (by them) and cannot handle many contemporary web coding standards you end up with a bad situation just from a usability perspective.

There are myriad really, really good reasons that no computing professional will ever tell you that it's A-OK to run an unsupported operating system, any unsupported operating system, and particularly if it is interacting with cyberspace.  They have a finite shelf life, and the ones that have been around for decades bear minimal resemblance, under the hood, to their original forms in all kinds of functions.  They are being actively supported and changed as circumstances dictate.
 
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Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Shaun Everiss
 

You'd think with the cloud as it is, that you could just lock it all down, have a cloud system handle things like this, cloud systems can and do handle stuff like this.

Look at what happened when bits of google/ amazonaws dropped off the face of the net for a bit a lot of the net died so again they allready handle most of the net they can probably handle the rest if given the right instruction.

On 26/07/2017 7:14 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
Yep, that's exactly what happened. There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere. Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question). Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out). Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around. <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now. I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense. I wonder if there is a DNS problem? Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie


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Re: Creating a YouTube channel and uploading to it

Shaun Everiss
 

well once you have a google account I think in youtube you just go to your profile, and put one in I in fact think its sort of allreaedy there I had to go through some lengths to make sure I didn't have one at all but google will offer to set one up for you and you just follow a few links.

Uploading yeah not sure there is an upload link but thats as far as I have got.

On 26/07/2017 5:55 a.m., Albert Ruel wrote:
Does anyone know of a good tutorial that will help me create a new tube channel and upload to it as a NVDA user.

Thx, Albert

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Re: XP warnings

Shaun Everiss
 

Well it depends on what its used for.

Xp is quite secure as long as you don't have to go online via standard net.

I mean xp imbedded is still used in eftpos terminals somehow.

Chances are if all you do is connect through some server for whatever you need and not directly through to the net the server is the thing that needs securing and all thats connected to it.

But yeah, just be happy politicians do not write or build our computers.

On 26/07/2017 3:59 a.m., The Gamages wrote:
Hello,

To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps
you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5
billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the
warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the
operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust
politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?




Best Regards, Jim.
Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

I am so happy for you, because you did so much work with that site, and you have so much info on there. Thanks a lot, Gene for all you do for us on there! I am so happy that it is back, and may it never go away and may it be protected.

Have a great one, Gene!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

I can see the website on my side of the world now cross fingers it never happens again.

 

I am stoked to see it back in its place and not been redirected like in the last week.

 

it seemed really weird though that after the site was drop boxed for the list after that not sure how long but reports started to come in that some people could see the website even if it was going up and down.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 7/26/2017 7:14 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.

 

 

On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:

I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

 

Hi guys

 

it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.

 

until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.

 

you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
 
Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.
 
It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.
 
Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie
 
 
 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com

 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 
Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi guys


I can see the website on my side of the world now cross fingers it never happens again.


I am stoked to see it back in its place and not been redirected like in the last week.


it seemed really weird though that after the site was drop boxed for the list after that not sure how long but reports started to come in that some people could see the website even if it was going up and down.


Gene nz



On 7/26/2017 7:14 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Virus-free. www.avast.com

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Re: how do I go nomail?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Thanks.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Ruel
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Nvda+help@groups.io

Thx, Albert

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 
Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Yep, that's exactly what happened.  There are things hackers can do to change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns records to point elsewhere.  Generally, this sort of thing happens when hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere (not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).  Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock down things because they have updates coming from too many locations (this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the fall-out).  Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go around.  <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently, someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual server itself? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted out.

the drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: XP warnings

Gene
 

I don't know if individuals can and it's very expensive, probably costing thousands of dollars a year for the service.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] XP warnings

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security
patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later versions of
> Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to make them more
> secure.  But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft, Microsoft will send
> security patches for XP to the entities.  But the entities must pay for the
> service.  I have no idea if this is being done, but if you spend some money,
> it can be.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: The Gamages
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] XP warnings
>
>
> Hello,
>
> To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps
> you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5
> billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the
> warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
> The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the
> operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust
> politicians
>
> don’t we?
> Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards, Jim.
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: XP warnings

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
No, not as a user.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] XP warnings

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later
versions of Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to
make them more secure. But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft,
Microsoft will send security patches for XP to the entities. But the
entities must pay for the service. I have no idea if this is being
done, but if you spend some money, it can be.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] XP warnings


Hello,

To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system,
perhaps you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the
brand new 3.5 billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating
system. If the warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding
the operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all
trust politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?




Best Regards, Jim.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
Re: XP warnings

zahra
 

thanks gene.
i did not know, if we pay microsoft, we can even recieve security
patches for xp.
thanks and God bless you.

On 7/25/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
No matter what is done, XP is inherently not as secure as later versions of
Windows because of changes in later versions of Windows to make them more
secure. But if entities are willing to pay Microsoft, Microsoft will send
security patches for XP to the entities. But the entities must pay for the
service. I have no idea if this is being done, but if you spend some money,
it can be.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: The Gamages
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] XP warnings


Hello,

To those warning of the vulnerability of the XP operating system, perhaps
you should direct these at the UK Ministry of defense as the brand new 3.5
billion pound aircraft carrier has XP as it’s operating system. If the
warnings are correct, that’s frightening.
The defense minister says it’s quite safe as the security surrounding the
operating system is more than adequate and, of course, we all trust
politicians

don’t we?
Perhaps it’s not connected to the internet?




Best Regards, Jim.
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
Creating a YouTube channel and uploading to it

Albert Ruel
 

Does anyone know of a good tutorial that will help me create a new tube channel and upload to it as a NVDA user.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone
Re: how do I go nomail?

Albert Ruel
 

Nvda+help@groups.io

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:03 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, Just go to the Change your subscription link. I think there you can go nomail.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: July-25-17 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I go nomail?

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I'm wading through tons of messages in this list. I'd like to go nomail for awhile so I can catch up. What is the address for going nomail?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 
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