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how can i get microsoft spi5engine

Tony James <megatronjames@...>
 

hi all, i don't no how this happened, but the spi5 tts seems to have disappeared from my win7 laptop. whenever i try to select the tts engine from the nvda synthesizer dialog, it says, cannot load the synth. any ideas? thx


Re: test

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


One coming now.


there were not many this morning here in new zealand to read.


Gene nz



On 7/27/2017 11:24 AM, Don H wrote:
Haven't seen any messages from this list of late.




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Haven't seen any messages from this list of late.


Editing Video using NVDA

Albert Ruel
 

 

Hi all.  I want to be able to record and edit video with very limited sight using NVDA.  Can any of you recommend a PC video editing app I can use reliably? 

 

Thx, Albert


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The reason the numeric (ip) address doesn't usually work, is because most web hosting companies do what's calle dshared hosting.  In the shared hosting environment, several sites share the same machine.  In order for the web server to know what site you want, the information is sent as part of the header your web browser sends to the server (this was introduced in http protocol version 1.1).  When the server receives the http request, it checks this header property, to asertain which host you're actually asking for, then serves up the page that corresponds with that particular domain name.  If you use http version 1.0, or hit the ip address directly, then you'll get the default site for that server (which is often the first one in the configuration file, which might or might not be the one you actually want). 

Of course, ifyou run your own server, and you only have a single domain, then none of this is relevant, but that is pretty rare these days.

Hope this helps.



On 7/26/2017 3:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Not necessarily.  I know very little about this but using the numeric address often doesn't work for reasons I don't know enough about to explain even if its correct.
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:06 AM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Yes that implies that when it was incorrect if we had tried the numeric
version it should have worked then??
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


It may be that DNS servers are finding and correcting where the site address
resolves.  When a web site changes its address, as I recall, it takes a day
or two for DNS servers around the world to update themselves.  In this case,
for some reason, malicious, accidental, or whatever, the name of the site
was resolving to a different page.  This has evidently been corrected and
now the DNS servers are updating the numeric address they use when the web
site name is used.

Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi just in the last few minutes the site has gone back to normal again. I
guess its gradually clearing out the faulty pages in caches around the world
now.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't
have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there
is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is
the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual
server itself?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi guys




it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website
that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not
go to it just in case.




until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a
program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.




you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on
it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it
says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box
account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted
out.

the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it
looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any
reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz


On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page
until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged
resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie





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Re: Typing Feedback in Google Docs

Chris Mullins
 

NVDA+2 on qwerty keyboard toggles character echo on/off
NVDA+3 on qwerty keyboard toggles word echo on/off

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: 26 July 2017 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Typing Feedback in Google Docs

Is there any way to turn speaking of characters off in Google Docs so NVDA doesn't announce every single letter I type?


Typing Feedback in Google Docs

kelby carlson
 

Is there any way to turn speaking of characters off in Google Docs so
NVDA doesn't announce every single letter I type?


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

It does have identities. You can read about them here.

http://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-quickstart


Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

Bhavya shah
 

Hi,
Could someone collect the several log snippets shared in this thread
and report this issue on NVDA's Github tracker please? Please CC me
(@bhavyashah) so that I can follow any activity and aid in
troubleshooting this bug. I might not be able to get to this
ticket-filing till a day or so, thus requesting someone else who has
experienced this issue to report the same instead.
Thanks.

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Its very erratic though. I imagine that is why its so hard to track it
down.
My guess is that somewhere something is using a lot of processor for a
short time and Windows does not notice or cannot share the load as the tasks

need to be in the same core.
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From: "Dan Thompson" <dmt031073@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Thanks for sharing this information and helping me not feel like I was going

crazy and causing he issue. Have a great day.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

No not really, I put up the log to show the seconds delay starting to build

up. In my view there is something strange about the way nvda looks at the
save and open dialogues sometimes, escpecially if there is an existing file

name in the field and then you start to type.
As has been said it slows things down.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Thompson" <dmt031073@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Brian are you suggesting I get an add-in. I wasn't sure what all the
lines of programing was for. Thanks for your help.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:20 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

I just had it while typing in after it had come up, this was I think due to
problems with the list of suggestions generated when you start to type.

DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (15:45:38.900):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms IO - speech.speak
(15:45:38.911):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'blank'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:45:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (15:45:49.157):
Speaking character u'l'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (15:45:49.157):

Only a few seconds but enough to make it sound really odd.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


It happens in a lot of programs.
In most cases, it will announce the window, but lots of time later...

Here is the log using last Next version of NVDA:
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (12:02:55.132):
Input: kb(desktop):control+g
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (12:02:55.398):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementIAccessible object at
0x051B8410>
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (12:02:55.400):
Braille regions text: [u'Sem t\xedtulo - Bloco de notas indispon\xedvel
',
u'Editor de Texto mln ed\xe7 ', u'as ']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (12:02:55.401):
Braille window dots: 1 234 -
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:55.910):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.009):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.013):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.131):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:56.775):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 558, in __init__
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 909, in getIAccIdentity
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1078, in QueryInterface

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (12:02:56.829):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 637, in
_get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 918, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 385, in
findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
IO - speech.speak (12:02:58.977):
Speaking [u'Guardar como Janela Nome de ficheiro: Nome de
ficheiro:\nGuardar com o tipo: Guardar com o tipo:']



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 25 de julho de 2017 04:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Dan,

What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?)
and also which version of Windows?

Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Dan Thompson <dmt031073@gmail.com>
wrote:


Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the
save as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift
tab to make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

I personally don't understand why so many people hate Thunderbird. It is the most accessible email client out there to date. I like it because, like I said, it rests in my dropbox so never have to install it to mmachines. At least the OE developers are working on making OE Classic accessible. I wish they would open source the code though so that is just me. I tried it for a while and like where it is going, even though I am sticking with Thunderbird.


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Don H
 

I am missing something here. I have been using Thunderbird for many years and find it totally accessible and just as easy to use as Outlook Express. What issues are people having with Thunderbird and NVDA?

On 7/26/2017 12:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 09:31 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
better than Tbird
There really aren't many e-mail clients that fall into that category, free or paid. And heaven knows that Thunderbird is accessible. It's essentially the same people who have written Firefox that have and still are working on Thunderbird.
The Windows 10 email app is not "bog standard" in a variety of ways, starting with its use of the new universal apps interface. It lacks a large number of functions that "power users" (and that includes a lot of people who routinely post here) expect.
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

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better than Tbird
There really aren't many e-mail clients that fall into that category, free or paid.  And heaven knows that Thunderbird is accessible.  It's essentially the same people who have written Firefox that have and still are working on Thunderbird.

The Windows 10 email app is not "bog standard" in a variety of ways, starting with its use of the new universal apps interface.  It lacks a large number of functions that "power users" (and that includes a lot of people who routinely post here) expect.
 
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Mind you we should not forget that the email client bundled with windows 7 was really a mess for accessibility in itself, and I have a sneaky suspicion that the OE classic looks a lot like that did.
And look at the hoops we have gone through for the one in windows 10, which is just a bog standard email app.

Why it seems to be so awkward for people to make email clients better than Tbird when they can write stuff like Firefox and Chrome escapes me.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.


More accessible than very little.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Walker, Michael E
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.


More accessible than what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements.
While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to go. It runs on Windows 7 and up.

https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

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Does it have identities, like Outlook express? If it does, then fine if not, not interested. I'm fed up with tree based email systems and webmail.

I'm not sure what I'd do when I need to definitely move but I suppose Outlook might be the answer even it its a bit heavy for waht I need.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.


Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements. While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to go. It runs on Windows 7 and up.

https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/


Re: NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its very erratic though. I imagine that is why its so hard to track it down.
My guess is that somewhere something is using a lot of processor for a short time and Windows does not notice or cannot share the load as the tasks need to be in the same core.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Thanks for sharing this information and helping me not feel like I was going crazy and causing he issue. Have a great day.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

No not really, I put up the log to show the seconds delay starting to build up. In my view there is something strange about the way nvda looks at the save and open dialogues sometimes, escpecially if there is an existing file name in the field and then you start to type.
As has been said it slows things down.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Brian are you suggesting I get an add-in. I wasn't sure what all the
lines of programing was for. Thanks for your help.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box

I just had it while typing in after it had come up, this was I think due to
problems with the list of suggestions generated when you start to type.

DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (15:45:38.900):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms IO - speech.speak
(15:45:38.911):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'blank'] IO -
inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:45:44.282):
Input: kb(desktop):l
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (15:45:49.157):
Speaking character u'l'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (15:45:49.157):

Only a few seconds but enough to make it sound really odd.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


It happens in a lot of programs.
In most cases, it will announce the window, but lots of time later...

Here is the log using last Next version of NVDA:
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (12:02:55.132):
Input: kb(desktop):control+g
DEBUG - NVDAObjects.NVDAObject._get_placeholder (12:02:55.398):
Potential unimplemented child class:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementIAccessible object at
0x051B8410>
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (12:02:55.400):
Braille regions text: [u'Sem t\xedtulo - Bloco de notas indispon\xedvel ',
u'Editor de Texto mln ed\xe7 ', u'as ']
IO - braille.BrailleHandler.update (12:02:55.401):
Braille window dots: 1 234 -
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:55.910):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 617, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 37, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 339, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
File "oleacc.pyc", line 240, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.009):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.013):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(12:02:56.131):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'O par\xe2metro est\xe1 incorreto.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (12:02:56.775):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyc", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyc", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 654, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 529, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 558, in __init__
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 909, in getIAccIdentity
File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1078, in QueryInterface

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (12:02:56.829):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyc", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 875, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 668, in processFocusWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyc", line 684, in processFocusNVDAEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 637, in
_get_shouldAllowIAccessibleFocusEvent
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 918, in _get_parent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyc", line 385, in
findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyc", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
IO - speech.speak (12:02:58.977):
Speaking [u'Guardar como Janela Nome de ficheiro: Nome de
ficheiro:\nGuardar com o tipo: Guardar com o tipo:']



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 25 de julho de 2017 04:32
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing save as dialog box


Hi Dan,

What program are you trying to save a file in (Word, NotePad, Reaper, ?)
and also which version of Windows?

Regards

Quentin.


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wrote:


Greetings,

Frequently when pressing control-S on a first time save of a file, the
save as box is not announced as being opened. I then tab once and shift
tab to make it be announced. Is there something I do not have checked on
somewhere?

Thanks for any help in advance.

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Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

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No this was before the web existed when we had modems and internal services all in separate systems. When the internet came along with its shell accounts and all that ftp, gopher finger and annonymised posters to usernet, them were the days.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Well yeah I remember those days.

Go to an mp3 site, download some songs, install their player, suddenly I get subscribed to their news letter and have to endure popups on the latest stuff on my computer, playing music, etc, etc, etc.

Then 3 months later I get a message thanking me for participating and oh look, just enter all your address info and the music you like and you get a free cd!

You just read our news letters.

I still have that cd, shortly there after all the adds and news letters stopped and the site went away.

That was back in 1996.

Things are a lot more evil now.

The popup asking me to get a free cd wouldn't actually result in a free cd now.




On 26/07/2017 7:21 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well when I was younger and more foolish and on dial up it was indeed fun to go into hacked numbers with modems on the end and attempt to get in and see what was there. I certainly did no harm back then, but you could get into some very interesting places like big companies records and some government departments and most people used passwordslike fred or 1234 back then.


There were not the crimianals about then of course.
I'd have thought nowadays it would be relativel simple to have an alert every time a dns look up was changed so it could be looked at and seen if it was genuine.
anyway this is way off topic here.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Yep, that's exactly what happened. There are things hackers can do to
change dns entries if the dns servers aren't locked down, (or if the
hackers are persistent enough, they can do it even if the dns servers
are locked down if the hackers can guess from where updates are
allowed), then it's a simple matter for said hacker to change dns
records to point elsewhere. Generally, this sort of thing happens when
hosting companies leave their dns servers open to updates from anywhere
(not just their own servers/networks), and as a result, it becomes an
exercise in record guessing for the hackers in question).
Unfortunately, a lot of hosting companies still don't lock down their
dns records even after repeated hacks like this, either because they
don't know how (someone really ought to teach isps that dns
configuration is more than just copying some text files and dropping
them into your dns directory), or because they think they can't lock
down things because they have updates coming from too many locations
(this is false, but often times, it's easier to leave dns servers open
to facilitate such updates), and so, hackers have a field day with dns
records, and the poor domain owners usually have to deal with the
fall-out). Not fun for anyone but (presumably) the hackers in this go
around. <sigh>

I honestly don't see the draw of all of this nonsense, but apparently,
someone gets something out of it, which is why it's done, but I never
did figure out what the point of it all was.

In any case, it appears the problem is (for the moment) solved, and the
site should be operational for the time being, until somebody gets it
into their heads to go make said changes again.



On 7/25/2017 8:08 AM, Gene wrote:
I got the correct site just now. I'm not sure what is going on and I
don't have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense. I
wonder if there is a DNS problem? Could someone be changing where DNS
servers, if that is the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to
the site or the actual server itself?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene New Zealand <mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
*Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Hi guys


it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net
website that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so
please do not go to it just in case.


until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website
up in a program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.


you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter
key on it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and
it says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop
box account which i will share on this list if you want it until this
is sorted out.

the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and
it looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for
any reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the
community.

Gene nz

On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie


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Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

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I think it depends on some other things. I know that reverse look up does not work sometimes either, but maybe all this aliasing and changing things part way through a domain can cause horrible things if one allowed the numeric address in some cases.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Not necessarily. I know very little about this but using the numeric address often doesn't work for reasons I don't know enough about to explain even if its correct.

Gene
----- Original Message ----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Yes that implies that when it was incorrect if we had tried the numeric
version it should have worked then??
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


It may be that DNS servers are finding and correcting where the site address
resolves. When a web site changes its address, as I recall, it takes a day
or two for DNS servers around the world to update themselves. In this case,
for some reason, malicious, accidental, or whatever, the name of the site
was resolving to a different page. This has evidently been corrected and
now the DNS servers are updating the numeric address they use when the web
site name is used.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi just in the last few minutes the site has gone back to normal again. I
guess its gradually clearing out the faulty pages in caches around the world
now.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


I got the correct site just now. I'm not sure what is going on and I don't
have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense. I wonder if there
is a DNS problem? Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is
the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual
server itself?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi guys




it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website
that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not
go to it just in case.




until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a
program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.




you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on
it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it
says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box
account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted
out.

the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it
looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any
reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz


On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page
until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged
resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie





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at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


Re: Issues with some Espeak languages

 
Edited

Hello!
I sometimes use Espeak-NG in Romanian and I noticed that it has a problem. At some words, it doesn't put the accent on the proper silable, but that's not a major problem. Anyway, I don't know if the developers work to improve this language.


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

More accessible than very little. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

More accessible than what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements.
While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to go. It runs on Windows 7 and up.

https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/









Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

It is more accessible than it was before, silly goose.