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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

Were accessibilitycentral.net back online Gene NZ has the step-by-step instructions for reordering columns in Thunderbird using the keyboard (yes, to do drag and drop, but this can be done by keyboard).  I never saved those so I don't have them handy.

If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link.  Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using.

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Strange computer crash on update of master today

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Windows 7. It got to the update bit, then froze as below.
I had to resort to the dreaded power button, so no real help in the log.
However I was also wondering what clipspeak was up to here.
Also find that Word occasionally gives out of memory warnings when the clipspeak add on is used to paste or rather voice the paste, but it is not really an issue, just that it thinks it is quite obviously. Here is the log of the update version.

INFO - __main__ (18:15:55.520):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.614):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\updater\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.614):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.630):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'False', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Microsoft Sound Mapper', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'86'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftSerena_Full_22kHz', u'volume': u'68', u'rate': u'55'}, u'mssp': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90', u'rate': u'60'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice': u'{BF5EAD42-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'24', u'volume': u'33'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'edward', u'rate': u'30', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80'}}, u'braille': {u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'True', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'True', u'reportStyle': u'False'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop'}}
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
NVDA version master-14241,57432f41
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Found add-on clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on virtualRevision
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:15:55.793):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
7 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:15:55.825):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.825):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:15:55.826):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (18:15:55.828):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:15:55.828):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:15:55.841):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (18:15:56.063):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.063):
Addon clipspeak added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.__init__ (18:15:56.198):
Initialising clipboard monitor.
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.get_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Enumerating clipboard data...
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Opening the clipboard for enumeration.
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 13
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 13
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: u'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 16
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 16
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: '\t\x08\x00\x00'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 1
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 1
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 7
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 7
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Retrieving clipboard format: 0
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Closing clipboard.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (18:15:56.201):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.201):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.focusHighlight.startThread (18:15:56.201):
focusHighlight started
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.243):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.256):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (18:15:56.266):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.267):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.292):
Python warning:
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:28: DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python 3.x.
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.367):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.585):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.594):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\python27.dll, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.622):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.750):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\IAccessible2Proxy.dll, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.753):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\nvdaHelperRemote.dll, error 32
IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.233):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.236):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait']
IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.266):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.269):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent']
IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.246):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.262):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.451):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.483):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.503):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unread has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']


Crash.
Of course a reboot and all is ok again.
Brian
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

It is not as accessible as Windows Live Mail.  True, the differences in accessibility are minor but they can be very annoying.  The main annoyance is that in Thunderbird, by default, the subject is displayed first and the name second in the headers.  a lot of people want the name displayed first.  But you can't change this from the keyboard.  you have to drag and drop.  And how many people know how to do that, though it can be done. 
 
In Windows Live mail, the order of headings is fully accessible from the keyboard.
 
Also, Windows Live Mail has two features that Thunderbird doesn't.  One is the ability to jump to the default inbox from wherever you are in the message list with the command control I.  The second is that you can read all mail as plain text but if there is an individual message you want to read as html, you don't have to fool around changing settings.  You can just open the message and use the command alt shift h.  That message will be displayed as html until you close it and all other messages will continue to be displayed as plain text.  if you open the message you displayed as html again, you will have to issue the alt shift h command again to cause it to be displayed as html. 
 
If you don't like ribbons, you might not want to use it, at least the ribbon version.  There is an older menu version.  And you have to set message rules on the server if you use IMAP, whereas Thunderbird allows you to set message rules in the program.  There is also a quirk I won't write about here but if anyone is interested, I'll address it in a later message about reading mail as plain text.  It works fine for that but there is a quirk you need to know about to do this. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

I personally don't understand why so many people hate Thunderbird. It is
the most accessible email client out there to date. I like it because,
like I said, it rests in my dropbox so never have to install it to
mmachines. At least the OE developers are working on making OE Classic
accessible. I wish they would open source the code though so that is
just me. I tried it for a while and like where it is going, even though
I am sticking with Thunderbird.



Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

It was not a mess for accessibility.  I use it.  Are you saying that because you don't like ribbons?  That has nothing to do with accessibility.  That is your opinion of ribbons. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Mind you we should not forget that the email client bundled with windows 7
was really a mess for accessibility in itself, and I have a sneaky suspicion
that  the OE classic looks a lot like that did.
 And look at the hoops we have gone through for the one in windows 10, which
is just a bog standard email app.

Why it seems to be so awkward for people to make email clients better than
Tbird when they can write stuff like Firefox and Chrome escapes me.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with
NVDA.


More accessible than very little.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Walker, Michael E
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with
NVDA.


More accessible than what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements.
While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to
go. It runs on Windows 7 and up.

https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/












Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

James AUSTIN
 

Hi Ralph

I have just performed a very quick test. NVDA seems to read the two footnotes I have created without a delay. They were not long, nor did they spread across pages. I could create something, but would you be willing to share a copy of your document with me please? Perhaps we can work out together what is going on?

Thanks

James

On 27/07/2017 15:32, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

Dear Friends,

NVDA navigates footnotes in MSWord documents with distressingly long delays. Is there any cure for this?

Warmly,
Ralph






Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Ralph Boersema
 

Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralph Boersema
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

Dear Friends,

NVDA navigates footnotes in MSWord documents with distressingly long delays. Is there any cure for this?

Warmly,
Ralph


Re: how can i get microsoft spi5engine

Gene
 

First, did you reboot?  If so and it didn't solve the problem, System Restore would very likely fix it.  It may be too much to hope for, most of the time when I suggest using system restore, it either isn't turned on on the users' machine or it isn't working properly.  
Far more often than a problem with how it works, it isn't turned on.  I hope it is in your case.  Unless people have some other reversion program, I consider it essential to have System Restore on.  If you do, you could run a restore point from before the problem started. 
 
Also, what do you mean by SPI?  Do you mean SAPI?  Gene? 
There may be a way to repair MSAPI5. 
 
Also, it may be that nothing is wrong with SAPI5.  I would think that a general message such as unable to load synth could mean that there is a problem with what3ever synthesizer is being used.  A synthesizer is not the same as SAPI.  SAPI is an application program interface that will run any synthesizer that is designed to run using SAPI.  So the actual premise of your question, that SAPI is corrupt or nonexistent if not at all certain.  What synthesizer are you using?  Because of the various possibilities and considerations I've discussed, System Restore, as reluctant as many people are to use it, may well be the fastest and easiest way to solve the problem.  People often cause themselves a lot of unnecessary problems because they don't want to run System Restore.  There is a certain amount of risk in running it, just as there is in running any program that works with files in such ways, but most of the time, if it works, it works properly.  If it can't work properly, most of the time, it lets your system finish booting and displays a message that it couldn't restore it and that your system has been unchanged.   
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony James
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] how can i get microsoft spi5engine

hi all, i don't no how this happened, but the spi5 tts seems to have
disappeared from my win7 laptop.  whenever i try to select the tts
engine from the nvda synthesizer dialog, it says, cannot load the synth.
any ideas?  thx




Re: NVDA Newbie

 

Hi ndy,

I am an nvda newbi  too 

Try pressing the nvda plus number 2and nvda  plus number 3 key to toggle between say characters and say words,
Hope that helps 
Arvind

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I use JAWS as my primary screen reader, but have begun using NVDA now that I have installed the Elequence and Vocalizer voices.
Does NVDA have a "read all" command like JAWS? and how do I get the keyboard to echo words rather than every character?
 
Thanks,
Andy
 


Reading ggogle docs sheets with nvda

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello all,
Has anyone tips on how to read google doc sheets with NVDA without editing them ?
When connecting to the document, I receive the message that I have to press a short cut to have it work with screen readers.
But then I don't how to have NVDA tell me the title of each cell.
Thank you for any tips on using this.
Best
Sylvie


Re: test

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Well they have been coming. I suspect you might soon get a bounce message. It might be worth going to the web site and checking what your settings actually are there.
I think there have been issues with one of the groups.io servers getting on a black list.

Brian

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Subject: [nvda] test


Haven't seen any messages from this list of late.


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

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Yes thought so, and when its all working well I'd pay to use it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <kingettr@gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.


It does have identities. You can read about them here.

http://www.oeclassic.com/online-help-quickstart


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

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I want to have my accounts in seperate little boxes isolated from each other not in a tree of accounts as Live mail and Thuunderbird do also Tbird uses completely different keyboard shortcuts.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.


I am missing something here. I have been using Thunderbird for many years and find it totally accessible and just as easy to use as Outlook Express. What issues are people having with Thunderbird and NVDA?

On 7/26/2017 12:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 09:31 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

better than Tbird

There really aren't many e-mail clients that fall into that category, free or paid. And heaven knows that Thunderbird is accessible. It's essentially the same people who have written Firefox that have and still are working on Thunderbird.

The Windows 10 email app is not "bog standard" in a variety of ways, starting with its use of the new universal apps interface. It lacks a large number of functions that "power users" (and that includes a lot of people who routinely post here) expect.

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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

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Yes I was using the term to mean basic really.
I did initially test it when I had continuous access to win ten, but was a bit fed up with continual new versions of windows. Hopefully they will stop at some point and just let people chuck along with security updates, then I'll get a machine install something usable and have a quiet life. AT the moment since I paid some money for the patch files for the old OE it has worked very well in windows 7. Did work on 10 but it was Microsoft who deliberately uninstalled it when a major update took place. Not a good move in my view.
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 09:31 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


better than Tbird
There really aren't many e-mail clients that fall into that category, free or paid. And heaven knows that Thunderbird is accessible. It's essentially the same people who have written Firefox that have and still are working on Thunderbird.

The Windows 10 email app is not "bog standard" in a variety of ways, starting with its use of the new universal apps interface. It lacks a large number of functions that "power users" (and that includes a lot of people who routinely post here) expect.

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Re: how can i get microsoft spi5engine

 

Hmmm weird, I am not sure how you would get it back bar a reinstall of windows.

On 27/07/2017 5:07 p.m., Tony James wrote:
hi all, i don't no how this happened, but the spi5 tts seems to have disappeared from my win7 laptop. whenever i try to select the tts engine from the nvda synthesizer dialog, it says, cannot load the synth. any ideas? thx




how can i get microsoft spi5engine

Tony James <megatronjames@...>
 

hi all, i don't no how this happened, but the spi5 tts seems to have disappeared from my win7 laptop. whenever i try to select the tts engine from the nvda synthesizer dialog, it says, cannot load the synth. any ideas? thx


Re: test

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


One coming now.


there were not many this morning here in new zealand to read.


Gene nz



On 7/27/2017 11:24 AM, Don H wrote:
Haven't seen any messages from this list of late.




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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


test

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Editing Video using NVDA

Albert Ruel
 

 

Hi all.  I want to be able to record and edit video with very limited sight using NVDA.  Can any of you recommend a PC video editing app I can use reliably? 

 

Thx, Albert


Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

The reason the numeric (ip) address doesn't usually work, is because most web hosting companies do what's calle dshared hosting.  In the shared hosting environment, several sites share the same machine.  In order for the web server to know what site you want, the information is sent as part of the header your web browser sends to the server (this was introduced in http protocol version 1.1).  When the server receives the http request, it checks this header property, to asertain which host you're actually asking for, then serves up the page that corresponds with that particular domain name.  If you use http version 1.0, or hit the ip address directly, then you'll get the default site for that server (which is often the first one in the configuration file, which might or might not be the one you actually want). 

Of course, ifyou run your own server, and you only have a single domain, then none of this is relevant, but that is pretty rare these days.

Hope this helps.



On 7/26/2017 3:25 AM, Gene wrote:
Not necessarily.  I know very little about this but using the numeric address often doesn't work for reasons I don't know enough about to explain even if its correct.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.

Yes that implies that when it was incorrect if we had tried the numeric
version it should have worked then??
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


It may be that DNS servers are finding and correcting where the site address
resolves.  When a web site changes its address, as I recall, it takes a day
or two for DNS servers around the world to update themselves.  In this case,
for some reason, malicious, accidental, or whatever, the name of the site
was resolving to a different page.  This has evidently been corrected and
now the DNS servers are updating the numeric address they use when the web
site name is used.

Gene
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Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi just in the last few minutes the site has gone back to normal again. I
guess its gradually clearing out the faulty pages in caches around the world
now.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


I got the correct site just now.  I'm not sure what is going on and I don't
have the technical knowledge to know if this makes sense.  I wonder if there
is a DNS problem?  Could someone be changing where DNS servers, if that is
the right term, resolve to and doing nothing to the site or the actual
server itself?

Gene
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From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 10:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: question please, Re: [nvda] accessing jean's sight.


Hi guys




it is gene from New Zealand who has the Accessibility Central.net website
that is been diverted at the moment. it is not my website so please do not
go to it just in case.




until it is sorted out or hosted elsewhere i have zipped the website up in a
program called 7 zip file manager which was used to do it.




you might need a program like that to access the contents of it.

you might have to make a folder first then put all the files into it.

then it is a matter of going to the index file and pressing the enter key on
it. to get to the information.


the zip file has been scanned with anti virus and malware programs and it
says it is clean.

If you want to download the zip file it is going to be put into a drop box
account which i will share on this list if you want it until this is sorted
out.

the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ujcz7ui1i7qxp58/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0
the copy or back up is from the 19 th of July if it is all there and it
looks like it.
not the thing i would usually do but just in case the info is lost for any
reason i would hate it not been shared as it was doing for the community.

Gene nz


On 7/23/2017 1:54 PM, Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,

Could someone please post how to remove a bookmark in firefox?
I want to remove my bookmark for now to avoid clicking on the tutorial page
until it is safe again.
Thanks.

It is totally rotten that anyone would hijack such a thoughtfully arranged
resource for us.

Gene, I'm sorry that this has happened.
-Laurie





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.










Re: Typing Feedback in Google Docs

Chris Mullins
 

NVDA+2 on qwerty keyboard toggles character echo on/off
NVDA+3 on qwerty keyboard toggles word echo on/off

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: 26 July 2017 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Typing Feedback in Google Docs

Is there any way to turn speaking of characters off in Google Docs so NVDA doesn't announce every single letter I type?