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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Yes Accessibilitycentral.net is back on line i think almost 2 to 3 days now.


the page you want for directions for drag and drop etc are found on this page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html


When you go to it you can jump down by headings to the sections about moving the columns and drag and dropping.


hope this helps.


Gene nz



On 7/28/2017 5:47 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Were accessibilitycentral.net back online Gene NZ has the step-by-step instructions for reordering columns in Thunderbird using the keyboard (yes, to do drag and drop, but this can be done by keyboard).  I never saved those so I don't have them handy.

If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link.  Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using.

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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Gene
 

I've never seen a list do that.  The message isn't blocked.  The attachment is.  That's no reason not to send the message.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

I'm surprised the message comes through without the attachment, then, rather
than the entire thing being bounced back to the sender as "can't deliver".


Antony.

On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:34:41, Gene wrote:

> This list, as is the case with a lot of lists, maybe most, doesn't allow
> attachments because they are such a common way to spread malware.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:28 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents
>
>
> Nothing was attached to the email which came through to the list.
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:19:20, Ralph Boersema wrote:
> > Dear James,
> >
> > I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of
> > a document and the location of the footnote within longer documents.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Ralph

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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Antony Stone
 

I'm surprised the message comes through without the attachment, then, rather
than the entire thing being bounced back to the sender as "can't deliver".


Antony.

On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:34:41, Gene wrote:

This list, as is the case with a lot of lists, maybe most, doesn't allow
attachments because they are such a common way to spread malware.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents


Nothing was attached to the email which came through to the list.

Antony.

On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:19:20, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Dear James,

I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of
a document and the location of the footnote within longer documents.

Thank you!
Ralph
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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Gene
 

This list, as is the case with a lot of lists, maybe most, doesn't allow attachments because they are such a common way to spread malware.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

Nothing was attached to the email which came through to the list.

Antony.

On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:19:20, Ralph Boersema wrote:

> Dear James,
>
> I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of a
> document and the location of the footnote within longer documents.
>
> Thank you!
> Ralph

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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Antony Stone
 

Nothing was attached to the email which came through to the list.

Antony.

On Thursday 27 July 2017 at 21:19:20, Ralph Boersema wrote:

Dear James,

I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of a
document and the location of the footnote within longer documents.

Thank you!
Ralph
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I can't think of a single thing I've forgotten.

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Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Ralph Boersema
 

Dear James,

I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate to the length of a document and the location of the footnote within longer documents.

Thank you!
Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

Hi Ralph

I have just performed a very quick test. NVDA seems to read the two footnotes I have created without a delay. They were not long, nor did they spread across pages. I could create something, but would you be willing to share a copy of your document with me please? Perhaps we can work out together what is going on?

Thanks

James


On 27/07/2017 15:32, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Is this only my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no one has commented.

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ralph Boersema
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents

Dear Friends,

NVDA navigates footnotes in MSWord documents with distressingly long delays. Is there any cure for this?

Warmly,
Ralph







Re: new member, just wanted to introduce myself

 

Welcome aboard.

On 7/27/17, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I hope this type of introduction post is acceptable here. Anyway, I’m a
very new NVDA user, but am very happy with it so far. I have been a long
time jaws user, almost 20 years (now I feel old lol) so the transition has
been interesting. I often find myself trying to do jaws commands out of
habit lol but I think NVDA is great and I am so appreciative of all the hard
work that has been put into it. I look forward to being a part of this
list, and hope that all of you have a good day.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

It mostly comes down to what kind of control we’re dealing with. Some require display scraping, others employ console support, still others rely on Java Access Bridge and what not.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Is there any reason that NVDA can't, for technical reasons have a screen echo setting like JAWS does to echo new text as it appears on screen?  In JAWS this setting is manually turned on with JAWS key s and you set the screen echo to all using this command.  A long time ago, I used to use this option to read text as it changed in Hyperterminal.  As I recall, It didn't read the entire screen every time text changed.  It would read what changed. 

 

If this command is going to be properly useful, a command to skip lines when reading in this way and another command to move back by line and continue reading from where you moved back or forward to would be necessary.  Just having everything new read without  move back and forward commands would significantly detract from the feature.  But not having such a feature is a limitation of NVDA that may be significant for some users.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:24 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

I doubt it.  NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes.  NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window.  But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so.  You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program.  I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.

 

Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak  the new text that is scrolled onto the screen.  I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen.  Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.

 

In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen.  Is there something similar in NVDA.

 

I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen. 

 

Thanks,

Chris


Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator

Gene
 

Is there any reason that NVDA can't, for technical reasons have a screen echo setting like JAWS does to echo new text as it appears on screen?  In JAWS this setting is manually turned on with JAWS key s and you set the screen echo to all using this command.  A long time ago, I used to use this option to read text as it changed in Hyperterminal.  As I recall, It didn't read the entire screen every time text changed.  It would read what changed. 
 
If this command is going to be properly useful, a command to skip lines when reading in this way and another command to move back by line and continue reading from where you moved back or forward to would be necessary.  Just having everything new read without  move back and forward commands would significantly detract from the feature.  But not having such a feature is a limitation of NVDA that may be significant for some users.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

Hi,

Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

I doubt it.  NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes.  NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window.  But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so.  You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program.  I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.

 

Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak  the new text that is scrolled onto the screen.  I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen.  Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.

 

In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen.  Is there something similar in NVDA.

 

I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen. 

 

Thanks,

Chris


Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

Actually, you can, but that’ll require weeks of effort depending on what kind of control it is and experience you are looking for. The best place to suggest this would be the add-ons ilst on Groups.IO.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

I doubt it.  NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes.  NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window.  But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so.  You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program.  I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.

 

Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM

Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

 

Hi,

I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak  the new text that is scrolled onto the screen.  I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen.  Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.

 

In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen.  Is there something similar in NVDA.

 

I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen. 

 

Thanks,

Chris


Re: Hearing new text in terminal emulator

Gene
 

I doubt it.  NVDA doesn't have any sort of speak all command as JAWS and Window-eyes do to automatically speak text as it appears nor does NVDA have anything like what are called hyperactive Windows in Window-eyes or frames in JAWS that you can set to speak parts of the screen automatically as text changes.  NVDA is scripted, if that is the correct way to describe it, to automatically speak new text in some cases such as in the command prompt window.  But if you want it to do so in cases where it doesn't, I am not aware of any way to make it do so.  You may be able to have someone who works on projects cause NVDA to do what you want in the program.  I don't know where you would make such an inquiry.
 
Meantime, Window-eyes will still be able to be used for quite some time and you may want to use it for this specific purpose while swoitching to NVDA in general.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:22 PM
Subject: [nvda] Hearing new text in terminal emulator

Hi,

I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak  the new text that is scrolled onto the screen.  I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen.  Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.

 

In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen.  Is there something similar in NVDA.

 

I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen. 

 

Thanks,

Chris


Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

It is back online. 

Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Were accessibilitycentral.net back online Gene NZ has the step-by-step instructions for reordering columns in Thunderbird using the keyboard (yes, to do drag and drop, but this can be done by keyboard).  I never saved those so I don't have them handy.

If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link.  Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using.

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new member, just wanted to introduce myself

Ashley Wayne
 

Hello all,

I hope this type of introduction post is acceptable here.  Anyway, I’m a very new NVDA user, but am very happy with it so far.  I have been a long time jaws user, almost 20 years (now I feel old lol) so the transition has been interesting.  I often find myself trying to do jaws commands out of habit lol but I think NVDA is great and I am so appreciative of all the hard work that has been put into it.  I look forward to being a part of this list, and hope that all of you have a good day.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Hearing new text in terminal emulator

Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC)
 

Hi,

I’m using MicroFocus Reflection terminal emulator. How can I get NVDA to automatically speak  the new text that is scrolled onto the screen.  I have Report Dynamic Content changes turned on. But NVDA is silent as the new data appears on the screen.  Also, the text that I type at the prompt does not speak as I type.

 

In Window-Eyes there was a method that I tapped into called OnChildClipRendered which tracked all the text displayed to the screen.  Is there something similar in NVDA.

 

I need for the new text to speak as it is displayed to the screen. 

 

Thanks,

Chris


How do you access a PDF file using NVDA!!!

Arun Gaalla
 

Thanks a lot….

 

Arun


Re: Strange computer crash on update of master today

Arlene
 

It sounds like there might have been some sort of conflict with your latest
updates. It might have had some conflicts with NVDA and addins you probably
have. I hope I'm wrong. I think that what it might be!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: July-27-17 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange computer crash on update of master today

Windows 7. It got to the update bit, then froze as below.
I had to resort to the dreaded power button, so no real help in the log.
However I was also wondering what clipspeak was up to here.
Also find that Word occasionally gives out of memory warnings when the
clipspeak add on is used to paste or rather voice the paste, but it is not
really an issue, just that it thinks it is quite obviously. Here is the log
of the update version.

INFO - __main__ (18:15:55.520):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.614):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\updater\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.614):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.630):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'},
u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language':
u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'False',
u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech':
{u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Microsoft Sound Mapper', u'espeak':

{u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40',
u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'86'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftS
erena_Full_22kHz',
u'volume': u'68', u'rate': u'55'}, u'mssp': {u'voice':
u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech
Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90',
u'rate': u'60'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice':
u'{BF5EAD42-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'24',
u'volume': u'33'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant':
u'edward', u'rate': u'30', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume':

u'100'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80'}}, u'braille':
{u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips':
u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True',
u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}},
u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'},
u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False',
u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'True',
u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True',
u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False',
u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'True', u'reportStyle':
u'False'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True',
u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop'}}
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
NVDA version master-14241,57432f41
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation INFO - core.main
(18:15:55.630):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)] INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Found add-on clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on virtualRevision
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path DEBUG - core.main
(18:15:55.765):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not
found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path INFO -
synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:15:55.793):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
Loading speech dictionary
'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
7 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:15:55.825):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.825):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:15:55.826):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (18:15:55.828):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:15:55.828):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:15:55.841):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (18:15:56.063):
Touch only supported on installed copies DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.063):
Addon clipspeak added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.__init_
_
(18:15:56.198):
Initialising clipboard monitor.
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.get_cli
pboard
(18:15:56.198):
Enumerating clipboard data...
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Opening the clipboard for enumeration.
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 13
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 13
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: u'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 16
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 16
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: '\t\x08\x00\x00'
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 1
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 1
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 7
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 7
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.200):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.200):
Retrieving clipboard format: 0
DEBUG -
external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumera
te_clipboard
(18:15:56.200):
Closing clipboard.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (18:15:56.201):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.201):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.focusHighlight.startThread (18:15:56.201):
focusHighlight started
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.243):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook
Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.256):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects
(18:15:56.266):
AppModule does not have a binding handle IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.267):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'has attachment; From: NV Access
Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received:
27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.292):
Python warning:
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:2
8:
DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python
3.x.
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.367):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait
while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.'] DEBUGWARNING -
RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.585):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe,
error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.594):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\python27.dll, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.622):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.750):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\IAccessible2Proxy.
dll,
error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.753):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy
\\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\nvdaHelperRemote.d
ll,
error 32
IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.233):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO -
speech.speak (18:15:57.236):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait'] IO - tones.beep
(18:15:57.266):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO -
speech.speak (18:15:57.269):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent'] IO - tones.beep
(18:15:58.246):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO -
tones.beep (18:15:58.262):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50 IO -
speech.speak (18:15:58.451):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook
Express - Brians lists account BGlists'] IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.483):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.503):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unread has attachment; From: NV
Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received:
27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']


Crash.
Of course a reboot and all is ok again.
Brian
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

 

Were accessibilitycentral.net back online Gene NZ has the step-by-step instructions for reordering columns in Thunderbird using the keyboard (yes, to do drag and drop, but this can be done by keyboard).  I never saved those so I don't have them handy.

If anyone should happen to want a copy, and it is the official copy, downloaded about a week before Microsoft pulled it from its website, of the installer for Windows Essentials 2012 (of which Windows Live Mail is a part) you can download it by activating this link.  Windows Live Mail 2012 is still a perfectly serviceable e-mail client for POP and IMAP access, which is what most of us are using.

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Strange computer crash on update of master today

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Windows 7. It got to the update bit, then froze as below.
I had to resort to the dreaded power button, so no real help in the log.
However I was also wondering what clipspeak was up to here.
Also find that Word occasionally gives out of memory warnings when the clipspeak add on is used to paste or rather voice the paste, but it is not really an issue, just that it thinks it is quite obviously. Here is the log of the update version.

INFO - __main__ (18:15:55.520):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.614):
Config dir: C:\Users\Brian\updater\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.614):
Loading config: C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (18:15:55.630):
Config loaded (after upgrade, and in the state it will be used by NVDA):
{u'schemaVersion': u'2', u'upgrade': {}, u'update': {u'autoCheck': u'True'}, u'general': {u'showWelcomeDialogAtStartup': u'False', u'language': u'Windows', u'saveConfigurationOnExit': u'True', u'askToExit': u'False', u'playStartAndExitSounds': u'True', u'loggingLevel': u'DEBUG'}, u'speech': {u'synth': u'espeak', u'outputDevice': u'Microsoft Sound Mapper', u'espeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'quincy', u'rate': u'40', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'86'}, u'sapi5': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech\\Voices\\Tokens\\ScanSoftSerena_Full_22kHz', u'volume': u'68', u'rate': u'55'}, u'mssp': {u'voice': u'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Speech Server\\v11.0\\Voices\\Tokens\\TTS_MS_en-GB_Hazel_11.0', u'volume': u'90', u'rate': u'60'}, u'silence': {}, u'sapi4': {u'voice': u'{BF5EAD42-9F65-11CF-8FC8-0020AF14F271}', u'rate': u'38', u'pitch': u'24', u'volume': u'33'}, u'speechPlayerInEspeak': {u'voice': u'en', u'variant': u'edward', u'rate': u'30', u'pitch': u'40', u'inflection': u'75', u'volume': u'100'}, u'pico': {u'voice': u'en-gb', u'volume': u'80'}}, u'braille': {u'noBraille': {u'port': u''}}, u'presentation': {u'reportTooltips': u'True', u'guessObjectPositionInformationWhenUnavailable': u'True', u'progressBarUpdates': {u'progressBarOutputMode': u'both'}}, u'virtualBuffers': {u'autoPassThroughOnCaretMove': u'True'}, u'documentFormatting': {u'reportRevisions': u'False', u'reportSpellingErrors': u'False', u'reportLineIndentation': u'True', u'reportBlockQuotes': u'False', u'autoLanguageSwitching': u'True', u'detectFormatAfterCursor': u'False', u'reportFontName': u'False', u'reportFontSize': u'False', u'reportAlignment': u'True', u'reportStyle': u'False'}, u'keyboard': {u'speakTypedCharacters': u'True', u'useCapsLockAsNVDAModifierKey': u'False', u'keyboardLayout': u'desktop'}}
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
setting language to Windows
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
NVDA version master-14241,57432f41
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.630):
Initializing add-ons system
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Listing add-ons from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Found add-on clipspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.630):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on easyTableNavigator
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on extendedWinamp
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on focusHighlight
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldenCursor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Found add-on goldwave
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.645):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on pico
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on resourceMonitor
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on speechPlayerInEspeak
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Loading add-on from C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\virtualRevision
DEBUG - addonHandler._getAvailableAddonsFromPath (18:15:55.661):
Found add-on virtualRevision
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765):
Initializing appModule Handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon extendedWinamp added to appModules package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.765):
Addon goldwave added to appModules package path
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.765):
Initializing NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Speech Dictionary processing
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
file 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\default.dic' not found.
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
Loading speech dictionary 'builtin.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.779):
3 loaded records.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.779):
Initializing speech
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon pico added to synthDrivers package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:55.780):
Addon speechPlayerInEspeak added to synthDrivers package path
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (18:15:55.793):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
Loading speech dictionary 'C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\espeak-english.dic'...
DEBUG - speechDictHandler.SpeechDict.load (18:15:55.825):
7 loaded records.
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (18:15:55.825):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (18:15:55.825):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille input
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (18:15:55.826):
Braille input initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.826):
Initializing braille
INFO - braille.initialize (18:15:55.828):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (18:15:55.828):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing displayModel
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.828):
Initializing GUI
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
initializing Java Access Bridge support
WARNING - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Java Access Bridge not available
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing winConsole support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:55.838):
Initializing UIA support
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (18:15:55.841):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing IAccessible support
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.052):
Initializing input core
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (18:15:56.052):
No user gesture map
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
Initializing keyboard handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.053):
initializing mouse handler
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing touchHandler
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (18:15:56.063):
Touch only supported on installed copies
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.063):
Initializing global plugin handler
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.063):
Addon clipspeak added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon easyTableNavigator added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon focusHighlight added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon goldenCursor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon resourceMonitor added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - addonHandler.Addon.addToPackagePath (18:15:56.065):
Addon virtualRevision added to globalPlugins package path
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.__init__ (18:15:56.198):
Initialising clipboard monitor.
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.get_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Enumerating clipboard data...
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Opening the clipboard for enumeration.
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 13
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 13
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: u'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 16
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 16
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: '\t\x08\x00\x00'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 1
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 1
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving clipboard format: 7
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.198):
Retrieving data for format 7
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Data retrieved: 'jean.kab@btconnect.com'
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Retrieving clipboard format: 0
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.clipspeak.clipboard_monitor.clipboard_monitor.enumerate_clipboard (18:15:56.200):
Closing clipboard.
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing core pump
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
Initializing watchdog
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.200):
initializing updateCheck
INFO - core.main (18:15:56.201):
NVDA initialized
DEBUG - core.main (18:15:56.201):
entering wx application main loop
DEBUG - external:globalPlugins.focusHighlight.startThread (18:15:56.201):
focusHighlight started
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.243):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.256):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
DEBUGWARNING - displayModel.DisplayModelTextInfo._get__storyFieldsAndRects (18:15:56.266):
AppModule does not have a binding handle
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.267):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.292):
Python warning:
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\library.zip\configobj.py:28: DeprecationWarning: The compiler package is deprecated and removed in Python 3.x.
IO - speech.speak (18:15:56.367):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Updating NVDA dialog Please wait while your previous installation of NVDA is being updated.']
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.585):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\nvda_eoaProxy.exe, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.594):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\python27.dll, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.622):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\_ctypes.pyd, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.750):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\IAccessible2Proxy.dll, error 32
DEBUGWARNING - RPC process 3240 (nvda_slave.exe) (18:15:56.753):
installer.tryCopyFile:
Unable to copy \\?\C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Local\Temp\nseEC26.tmp\app\lib\nvdaHelperRemote.dll, error 32
IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.233):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.236):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Please wait']
IO - tones.beep (18:15:57.266):
Beep at pitch 110.0, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:57.269):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'0 percent']
IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.246):
Beep at pitch 440, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - tones.beep (18:15:58.262):
Beep at pitch 1760, for 40 ms, left volume 50, right volume 50
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.451):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'5 nvda new snaps list - Outlook Express - Brians lists account BGlists']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.483):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express Message List list']
IO - speech.speak (18:15:58.503):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'unread has attachment; From: NV Access Git; Subject: nvda/master 57432f41: Update translations.; Received: 27/07/2017 15:07 334 of 334']


Crash.
Of course a reboot and all is ok again.
Brian
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Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

It is not as accessible as Windows Live Mail.  True, the differences in accessibility are minor but they can be very annoying.  The main annoyance is that in Thunderbird, by default, the subject is displayed first and the name second in the headers.  a lot of people want the name displayed first.  But you can't change this from the keyboard.  you have to drag and drop.  And how many people know how to do that, though it can be done. 
 
In Windows Live mail, the order of headings is fully accessible from the keyboard.
 
Also, Windows Live Mail has two features that Thunderbird doesn't.  One is the ability to jump to the default inbox from wherever you are in the message list with the command control I.  The second is that you can read all mail as plain text but if there is an individual message you want to read as html, you don't have to fool around changing settings.  You can just open the message and use the command alt shift h.  That message will be displayed as html until you close it and all other messages will continue to be displayed as plain text.  if you open the message you displayed as html again, you will have to issue the alt shift h command again to cause it to be displayed as html. 
 
If you don't like ribbons, you might not want to use it, at least the ribbon version.  There is an older menu version.  And you have to set message rules on the server if you use IMAP, whereas Thunderbird allows you to set message rules in the program.  There is also a quirk I won't write about here but if anyone is interested, I'll address it in a later message about reading mail as plain text.  It works fine for that but there is a quirk you need to know about to do this. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

I personally don't understand why so many people hate Thunderbird. It is
the most accessible email client out there to date. I like it because,
like I said, it rests in my dropbox so never have to install it to
mmachines. At least the OE developers are working on making OE Classic
accessible. I wish they would open source the code though so that is
just me. I tried it for a while and like where it is going, even though
I am sticking with Thunderbird.



Re: OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Gene
 

It was not a mess for accessibility.  I use it.  Are you saying that because you don't like ribbons?  That has nothing to do with accessibility.  That is your opinion of ribbons. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Mind you we should not forget that the email client bundled with windows 7
was really a mess for accessibility in itself, and I have a sneaky suspicion
that  the OE classic looks a lot like that did.
 And look at the hoops we have gone through for the one in windows 10, which
is just a bog standard email app.

Why it seems to be so awkward for people to make email clients better than
Tbird when they can write stuff like Firefox and Chrome escapes me.
 Brian

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More accessible than very little.

Gene
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From: Walker, Michael E
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with
NVDA.


More accessible than what?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert
Kingett
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic is more accessible. Developers test with NVDA.

Below is a blog post on OE Classic and it's accessibility improvements.
While this email client is getting more accessible it still has a ways to
go. It runs on Windows 7 and up.

https://blindjournalist.wordpress.com/2017/07/25/oe-classic-is-2-7-is-finally-free-and-more-accessible/