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Problem with Edge

Lee Jones
 

Dear List, I want to use NVDA with edge on windows ten home but it just keeps telling me that it can’t open the app. I have read online that you can’t access edge from a built in administrator account. It won’t let me create another account to sign in with. I think the only way to do it is to edit the registry. This is a daunting prospect. Could some kind soul explain how you edit the registery with NVDA so that edge will open.

Many Thanks, Lee


Document Scanner

Andrea Sherry
 

Need program that works well with NVDA - not freeware.

Any suggestions please.

Andrea


Re: Footnotes in Word Documents

Quentin Christensen
 

Which version of Word are you using?  In recent versions of Word, it's alt+s then H, and you can arrow through or press control+down arrow to jump from one footnote to the next.  You can get back by pressing the applications key and then G for 'Go to footnotes".

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:25 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin and all.
could you please how do you navigate between footnotes in microsoft word?
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 7/28/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> I just had a look at the footnotes issue, and I found with the document in
> Web view or draft, where the footnotes are displayed in a separate pane at
> the bottom of the window, this sluggishness is evident.  If the view mode
> is changed to Print (alt+w, then p), the sluggishness seems to go away.
>
> There is an open issue for this, (thanks Derek) and I just added a bit more
> info to it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6902  Feel free to
> subscribe if you are interested.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:
>
>> Dear James and Antony,
>>
>>
>>
>> You can contact me at ralph.boersema@..., so that I can send the
>> file to you off the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *James
>> AUSTIN
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 27, 2017 6:02 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Ralph
>>
>> Thank you for this. I shall have a look tomorrow. Hope this is okay. I
>> have an early start tomorrow, but will look at it on my return. I am not
>> a
>> dev or an expert, but am very intrigued. Hopefully we can work this out
>> together.27/07/2017 21:19, Ralph Boersema wrote:
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> James
>>
>> > Dear James, > > I have attached a document. The problem seems to relate
>> to the length > of a document and the location of the footnote within
>> longer > documents. > > Thank you! Ralph > > -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io > [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> <nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN Sent: > Thursday, July
>> 27, 2017 10:39 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: > [nvda] Footnotes
>> in Word Documents > > Hi Ralph > > I have just performed a very quick
>> test.
>> NVDA seems to read the two > footnotes I have created without a delay.
>> They
>> were not long, nor did > they spread across pages. I could create
>> something, but would you be > willing to share a copy of your document
>> with
>> me please? Perhaps we > can work out together what is going on? > >
>> Thanks
>> > > James > > > On 27/07/2017 15:32, Ralph Boersema wrote: >> Is this
>> > > only
>> my problem or do others have it too? I ask because no >> one has
>> commented.
>> >> >> Ralph >> >> -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io >>
>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Ralph
>> Boersema Sent: >> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:35 AM To:
>> nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: >> [nvda] Footnotes in Word Documents >> >> Dear Friends, >> >>
>> NVDA navigates footnotes in MSWord documents with distressingly >> long
>> delays. Is there any cure for this? >> >> Warmly, Ralph >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> > > > > > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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Re: Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA

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It could be that it restarts to remove files, but I've yet to find an inti virus that is so anti user that it does not tell the user what its doing and why.

Many computers for companies simply do not allow any installation except by the admins through an agreed system, but as I said, normally big warnings come up about his if you try, not a restart of the machine after all if it was a malware program its too late by then!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA


Hmmm well firstly is nvda being thought as a virus.

Failing that are you sure you have access ie has nvda been allowed the right permitions, if its doing this on your own laptop, I'd think something was screwing about.

I had this on a couple desktops.

In one case the graphis card was mangled and needed replacing.

On the other, there was a faulty fan.

In both cases the shop we took it to did a reformat after replacing the various hardware cards and such which fixed the problem.

Something is clearly conflicting.

However since this a company unit and not your own, while a reformat will fix it and make it work its not your problem.

Its your it guy's issue thats what they are payed for ask your admin and see what they say it may be they need to do something themselves.




On 29/07/2017 5:44 a.m., Joe Lakey wrote:
Just installed NVDA this morning on my laptop running Windows 7 Pro SP1. After installation, my laptop shut down without warning. It started back up fine, but when I started NVDA, the laptop shut down again without any error or warning. When installing, I unchecked the 'start NVDA on Windows startup' setting. Also possibly related, this is a company laptop running Sophos security/auth software.

I didn't see a way to attach files, so the contents of the log files are below.

nvda.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (12:07:46):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:07:49):
Config dir: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:07:49):
Loading config: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:07:52):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:07:54):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:07:54):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (12:07:54):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:07:54):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:07:54):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:07:54):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (12:07:56):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (12:07:56):
Performing automatic update check
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (12:08:12):
Base configuration saved
INFO - core.onEndSession (12:08:13):
Windows session ending
---------------------

nvda-old.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (10:29:19):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:29:21):
Config dir: C:\TEMP\nsx4065.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:29:21):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (10:29:22):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:29:22):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (10:29:22):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:29:22):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:29:22):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:29:23):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (10:29:25):
NVDA initialized
INFO - core.main (10:31:58):
Exiting
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (10:31:58):
Base configuration saved
INFO - __main__ (10:32:00):
NVDA exit
---------------------


Re: Reading Code in Web Pages

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To be honest my annoyance with ads is that they seem not to abide by the accessibility rules site writers do, negating their work.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Actually noscript does help in firefox you can get round some sites but yeah adds are here to stay.

I don't mind adds, I mean when I watch tv, youtube streams, even listen to events on radio there are adds.

In windows you can turn a lot of that off, but windows and a lot of ms stuff are services so adds and extra news and apps are the norm.

So adds don't worry me.

The issue is that net adds do not have the same laws as standard postals, ie you don't usually get adds to buy a girl or the next bigger penis on your postal mail and you never get ransom notes and or scams without it getting caught.

If you get malware and spyware in adds well heck 99.9% of the time at least when this stuff went on in 1995-2005 that wasn't a problem tghe problem is that anyone can be anyone and then there is the fact that computer and net adds are notorious for ransomware, malware and viruses, I don't even run on the joke lists anymore as I sued to for fear of them.

Back in 1996 I pulled some music off what was then mp3.com, and got subscribed to their news and lots of popups in which I had to rate their stuff at the end of it, I got a popup thanking me and asking for my address so I could get a cd of my interests in music, Shortly after that all popups went away.

The stuff on my system went away and so did the site, never the less I got a cd not full of what I ordered but a bunch of weird music but I did get one, still have it.

If I ever got into that sort of thing now I'd run a mile or if I was to late I would have to take the computer to get fixed.

Sadly a lot of the lagit adds died out with free internet revolution back in 2000

On that note has anyone tried the barebones kaspersky free, its nothing on the end of payed but aparently is for home users, has web protection, email, download protection, and a few basics for the home user.

Its not the business thing but if you don't handle messages as such it may be ok.



On 28/07/2017 7:12 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If it is ads, then adblockers work very well, but some sites won't let you in if they spot you have on. The stupid bit is that a site well designed and accessible without ads, becomes almost impossible with them, mainly due to the problem that the ad makers seem not to take accessibility seriously and shove out rogh and ready graphic rich garbage that we cannot read. I always say that our money shoul be as good as anyone elses, and if they really want to sell through advertising then the least they could do is make them benign as far as screenreaders are concerned.
OK I'll get off my soapbox now. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Facebook will do this to, a lot of sites are doing this for cash its a battleground from what we type to what we read now has adds.

Thats not always a bad thing.

I use noscript and disable the google analitics site which is how google tracks users and disable any add related sites but I never get all of them.




On 28/07/2017 6:16 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i read somewhere that google wants to add advertisement material to
the website and we should pay to be comfortable from them or accept
them.
did someone hear this message or did you read it in websites?
but i recommend you to disable javascript.

On 7/28/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll add that there is a good deal of code on the page at that place and a
good deal of it isn't a link or links. But why a screen-reader sees it is
something those who know a lot more about web page design may wish to
comment on. It looks to me as though its JAVA script.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


I discussed your question first and I gave related information.

I don't know what browser you are using and it may be that different
browsers display the code differently. If links have no text and no alt
text, then code is often read because it's the only available thing to read.
You may not be able to tell what the code means. But using logic and
inference, we know that these are links to advertising.
Here is the item immediately above the first code link and the code link
immediately below the item.
Menu
https://www.google.com/ads/conversion/979298651/?random=1738029041&cv=8&fst=*&num=1&fmt=2&label=IHUU
The first part of the link says google.com, which is the source of the
material and after that is the word ad. In links that show code, there are
no spaces. You have probably heard for a long time about Google ads. Here
are some.
You can try, if you want to look at the code and try to figure out what the
ads are for but since they are ads, I would imagine you would want to skip
them.


Sometimes, links on a site that read as code are actually part of the site.
But there is a lot of repetition on web sites and most of the time, when I
see such links, there are links farther down the page that lead to the same
place and that have text. If you want to make sure and you can't figure out
where a link goes, you can follow the link and then come back to the page
you were on. If you do that you will know were the link leads and you will
often find, farther down the page, that a link with understandable text says
visited because it leads to the same place.

If I see code links and I'm not sure where they lead, if I don't see
something I expect to be a link on the page or if I think I may be missing
material, I may follow such links. Very often, just looking through the
page tells me that I can see everything I want and if I see no reason to
follow such links, I don't bother.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Here’s and example:
http://www.howdyhonda.com/blog/2017-honda-fit-vs-2017-honda-civic-hatchback/



I start reading from the top and after the link to a blog, I start hearing
code.



Ralph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages



Ralph, can you give an example - a webpage (and where on it) I can reproduce
this please?



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:

I use Mozilla Firefox as my web browser. Fairly often I find that NVDA
reads sections of unintelligible (to me) language, which sounds like html or
other computer code to me. Is there any configuration I can use to avoid
this?

Warmly,
Ralph











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Re: changed Email address

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Funny you should say that. I have an old address on one of the nvda lists I need to unsubscribe, but since the send is now inoperative on the account, no amount of spoofing through a working one will get a message to the server to unsubscribe it. Great fun.
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] changed Email address


Went to the web page for the list and changed my Email address and haven't seen any posts to the list since.



Re: Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA

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Well, it obviously runs ok or you could not install it, so does it work ok if its a temporary version in which case one needs to set logging to debug somehow to see if anything sinister is going on.
Can you disable the anti virus temporarily just to rule it out?
Shutting down seems a rather counter intuitive thing to do. Normally a security program merely cripples the process.
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Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA


Just installed NVDA this morning on my laptop running Windows 7 Pro SP1. After installation, my laptop shut down without warning. It started back up fine, but when I started NVDA, the laptop shut down again without any error or warning. When installing, I unchecked the 'start NVDA on Windows startup' setting. Also possibly related, this is a company laptop running Sophos security/auth software.

I didn't see a way to attach files, so the contents of the log files are below.

nvda.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (12:07:46):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:07:49):
Config dir: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:07:49):
Loading config: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:07:52):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:07:54):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:07:54):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (12:07:54):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:07:54):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:07:54):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:07:54):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (12:07:56):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (12:07:56):
Performing automatic update check
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (12:08:12):
Base configuration saved
INFO - core.onEndSession (12:08:13):
Windows session ending
---------------------

nvda-old.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (10:29:19):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:29:21):
Config dir: C:\TEMP\nsx4065.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:29:21):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (10:29:22):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:29:22):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (10:29:22):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:29:22):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:29:22):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:29:23):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (10:29:25):
NVDA initialized
INFO - core.main (10:31:58):
Exiting
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (10:31:58):
Base configuration saved
INFO - __main__ (10:32:00):
NVDA exit
---------------------


Re: Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA

 

Hmmm well firstly is nvda being thought as a virus.

Failing that are you sure you have access ie has nvda been allowed the right permitions, if its doing this on your own laptop, I'd think something was screwing about.

I had this on a couple desktops.

In one case the graphis card was mangled and needed replacing.

On the other, there was a faulty fan.

In both cases the shop we took it to did a reformat after replacing the various hardware cards and such which fixed the problem.

Something is clearly conflicting.

However since this a company unit and not your own, while a reformat will fix it and make it work its not your problem.

Its your it guy's issue thats what they are payed for ask your admin and see what they say it may be they need to do something themselves.

On 29/07/2017 5:44 a.m., Joe Lakey wrote:
Just installed NVDA this morning on my laptop running Windows 7 Pro SP1. After installation, my laptop shut down without warning. It started back up fine, but when I started NVDA, the laptop shut down again without any error or warning. When installing, I unchecked the 'start NVDA on Windows startup' setting. Also possibly related, this is a company laptop running Sophos security/auth software.

I didn't see a way to attach files, so the contents of the log files are below.

nvda.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (12:07:46):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:07:49):
Config dir: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:07:49):
Loading config: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:07:52):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:07:54):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:07:54):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (12:07:54):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:07:54):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:07:54):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:07:54):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (12:07:56):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (12:07:56):
Performing automatic update check
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (12:08:12):
Base configuration saved
INFO - core.onEndSession (12:08:13):
Windows session ending
---------------------

nvda-old.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (10:29:19):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:29:21):
Config dir: C:\TEMP\nsx4065.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:29:21):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (10:29:22):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:29:22):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (10:29:22):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:29:22):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:29:22):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:29:23):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (10:29:25):
NVDA initialized
INFO - core.main (10:31:58):
Exiting
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (10:31:58):
Base configuration saved
INFO - __main__ (10:32:00):
NVDA exit
---------------------


Re: Reading Code in Web Pages

Gene
 

I don't know how or if tweaking the way no Script works on sites can work around such problems.  I don't use No Script but I've tried it to see how it works and is set up.  My recollection is that you have to learn or figure out the interface but that you can block or allow all sorts of things on any site.  There are default settings and then you can change settings for any site.  You can allow some scripts to run and not allow commercials to be displayed or redirections to occur that rely on JAVA script. 
 
I'm not recommending either use of or not recommending use of No Script.  I haven't used it enough to know how easy or difficult it is to control such things.  I do know that there is a setting to allow scripts to run but to stop various dangerous actions on a site.  So I'm saying that it might be a good idea for people to learn about the program.  And, because I believe that many users who are not advanced users may have problems, some sort of tutorial about it would be a good idea.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages

But some sites will detect add blockers I use noscript to coolsoft will
complain about addblockers and lock you out, if you use noscript it will
complain that its blocked but you can get round it.

Thats only going to work though as long as there are links, not buttons,
and no forms that you have to put things in.




On 29/07/2017 2:53 a.m., Gene wrote:
> If you are using no script you won't see the code.  If you are using an ad blocker, I doubt you will see the code.  If you have JAVA script support disabled, you won't see the code.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: George McCoy
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:40 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages
>
>
> Fwiw, I can’t duplicate the reported behavior.  I’m running firefox 54.0.1 on windows 7 pro 64 bit.
>
> George
>
> From: Ralph Boersema
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:11 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages
>
> Here’s and example: http://www.howdyhonda.com/blog/2017-honda-fit-vs-2017-honda-civic-hatchback/
>
>  
>
> I start reading from the top and after the link to a blog, I start hearing code.
>
>  
>
> Ralph
>
>  
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages
>
>  
>
> Ralph, can you give an example - a webpage (and where on it) I can reproduce this please?
>
>  
>
> Regards
>
>  
>
> Quentin.
>
>  
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:
>
>    I use Mozilla Firefox as my web browser. Fairly often I find that NVDA reads sections of unintelligible (to me) language, which sounds like html or other computer code to me. Is there any configuration I can use to avoid this?
>
>    Warmly,
>    Ralph
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>  
>




Re: Reading Code in Web Pages

 

But some sites will detect add blockers I use noscript to coolsoft will complain about addblockers and lock you out, if you use noscript it will complain that its blocked but you can get round it.

Thats only going to work though as long as there are links, not buttons, and no forms that you have to put things in.

On 29/07/2017 2:53 a.m., Gene wrote:
If you are using no script you won't see the code. If you are using an ad blocker, I doubt you will see the code. If you have JAVA script support disabled, you won't see the code.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: George McCoy
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Fwiw, I can’t duplicate the reported behavior. I’m running firefox 54.0.1 on windows 7 pro 64 bit.

George

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages

Here’s and example: http://www.howdyhonda.com/blog/2017-honda-fit-vs-2017-honda-civic-hatchback/


I start reading from the top and after the link to a blog, I start hearing code.


Ralph


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Ralph, can you give an example - a webpage (and where on it) I can reproduce this please?


Regards


Quentin.


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:

I use Mozilla Firefox as my web browser. Fairly often I find that NVDA reads sections of unintelligible (to me) language, which sounds like html or other computer code to me. Is there any configuration I can use to avoid this?

Warmly,
Ralph










Re: Reading Code in Web Pages

 

Actually noscript does help in firefox you can get round some sites but yeah adds are here to stay.

I don't mind adds, I mean when I watch tv, youtube streams, even listen to events on radio there are adds.

In windows you can turn a lot of that off, but windows and a lot of ms stuff are services so adds and extra news and apps are the norm.

So adds don't worry me.

The issue is that net adds do not have the same laws as standard postals, ie you don't usually get adds to buy a girl or the next bigger penis on your postal mail and you never get ransom notes and or scams without it getting caught.

If you get malware and spyware in adds well heck 99.9% of the time at least when this stuff went on in 1995-2005 that wasn't a problem tghe problem is that anyone can be anyone and then there is the fact that computer and net adds are notorious for ransomware, malware and viruses, I don't even run on the joke lists anymore as I sued to for fear of them.

Back in 1996 I pulled some music off what was then mp3.com, and got subscribed to their news and lots of popups in which I had to rate their stuff at the end of it, I got a popup thanking me and asking for my address so I could get a cd of my interests in music, Shortly after that all popups went away.

The stuff on my system went away and so did the site, never the less I got a cd not full of what I ordered but a bunch of weird music but I did get one, still have it.

If I ever got into that sort of thing now I'd run a mile or if I was to late I would have to take the computer to get fixed.

Sadly a lot of the lagit adds died out with free internet revolution back in 2000

On that note has anyone tried the barebones kaspersky free, its nothing on the end of payed but aparently is for home users, has web protection, email, download protection, and a few basics for the home user.

Its not the business thing but if you don't handle messages as such it may be ok.

On 28/07/2017 7:12 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If it is ads, then adblockers work very well, but some sites won't let you in if they spot you have on. The stupid bit is that a site well designed and accessible without ads, becomes almost impossible with them, mainly due to the problem that the ad makers seem not to take accessibility seriously and shove out rogh and ready graphic rich garbage that we cannot read. I always say that our money shoul be as good as anyone elses, and if they really want to sell through advertising then the least they could do is make them benign as far as screenreaders are concerned.
OK I'll get off my soapbox now. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Facebook will do this to, a lot of sites are doing this for cash its a battleground from what we type to what we read now has adds.

Thats not always a bad thing.

I use noscript and disable the google analitics site which is how google tracks users and disable any add related sites but I never get all of them.




On 28/07/2017 6:16 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i read somewhere that google wants to add advertisement material to
the website and we should pay to be comfortable from them or accept
them.
did someone hear this message or did you read it in websites?
but i recommend you to disable javascript.

On 7/28/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I'll add that there is a good deal of code on the page at that place and a
good deal of it isn't a link or links. But why a screen-reader sees it is
something those who know a lot more about web page design may wish to
comment on. It looks to me as though its JAVA script.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 9:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


I discussed your question first and I gave related information.

I don't know what browser you are using and it may be that different
browsers display the code differently. If links have no text and no alt
text, then code is often read because it's the only available thing to read.
You may not be able to tell what the code means. But using logic and
inference, we know that these are links to advertising.
Here is the item immediately above the first code link and the code link
immediately below the item.
Menu
https://www.google.com/ads/conversion/979298651/?random=1738029041&cv=8&fst=*&num=1&fmt=2&label=IHUU
The first part of the link says google.com, which is the source of the
material and after that is the word ad. In links that show code, there are
no spaces. You have probably heard for a long time about Google ads. Here
are some.
You can try, if you want to look at the code and try to figure out what the
ads are for but since they are ads, I would imagine you would want to skip
them.


Sometimes, links on a site that read as code are actually part of the site.
But there is a lot of repetition on web sites and most of the time, when I
see such links, there are links farther down the page that lead to the same
place and that have text. If you want to make sure and you can't figure out
where a link goes, you can follow the link and then come back to the page
you were on. If you do that you will know were the link leads and you will
often find, farther down the page, that a link with understandable text says
visited because it leads to the same place.

If I see code links and I'm not sure where they lead, if I don't see
something I expect to be a link on the page or if I think I may be missing
material, I may follow such links. Very often, just looking through the
page tells me that I can see everything I want and if I see no reason to
follow such links, I don't bother.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ralph Boersema
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages


Here’s and example:
http://www.howdyhonda.com/blog/2017-honda-fit-vs-2017-honda-civic-hatchback/



I start reading from the top and after the link to a blog, I start hearing
code.



Ralph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading Code in Web Pages



Ralph, can you give an example - a webpage (and where on it) I can reproduce
this please?



Regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Ralph Boersema <ralph@...> wrote:

I use Mozilla Firefox as my web browser. Fairly often I find that NVDA
reads sections of unintelligible (to me) language, which sounds like html or
other computer code to me. Is there any configuration I can use to avoid
this?

Warmly,
Ralph











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Re: Windows 7 shuts down when starting NVDA

 

hi.
i think that it relates to the antivirus that you mentioned, but i am
not completele sure.
could you please deactivate it temporary to see does nvda work without
problem or not?

On 7/28/17, Joe Lakey <jhlakey@...> wrote:
Just installed NVDA this morning on my laptop running Windows 7 Pro SP1.
After installation, my laptop shut down without warning. It started back up
fine, but when I started NVDA, the laptop shut down again without any error
or warning. When installing, I unchecked the 'start NVDA on Windows startup'
setting. Also possibly related, this is a company laptop running Sophos
security/auth software.

I didn't see a way to attach files, so the contents of the log files are
below.

nvda.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (12:07:46):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (12:07:49):
Config dir: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (12:07:49):
Loading config: C:\Users\jhlakey\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (12:07:50):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (12:07:52):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (12:07:54):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (12:07:54):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (12:07:54):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (12:07:54):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (12:07:54):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (12:07:54):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (12:07:56):
NVDA initialized
INFO - updateCheck.AutoUpdateChecker._started (12:07:56):
Performing automatic update check
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (12:08:12):
Base configuration saved
INFO - core.onEndSession (12:08:13):
Windows session ending
---------------------

nvda-old.log
---------------------
INFO - __main__ (10:29:19):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:29:21):
Config dir: C:\TEMP\nsx4065.tmp\app\userConfig
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:29:21):
Loading config: .\userConfig\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
NVDA version 2017.2
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Windows version 6.1.7601 service pack 1 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59)
[MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDrivers.espeak.SynthDriver.__init__ (10:29:22):
Using eSpeak NG version 1.49.1 dev
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:29:22):
Loaded synthDriver espeak
INFO - core.main (10:29:22):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - braille.initialize (10:29:22):
Using liblouis version 3.0.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:29:22):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:29:22):
Braille input initialized
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:29:23):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation
INFO - core.main (10:29:25):
NVDA initialized
INFO - core.main (10:31:58):
Exiting
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (10:31:58):
Base configuration saved
INFO - __main__ (10:32:00):
NVDA exit
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Proposal: add-ons festival in September

 

Hi all, mostly for those involved in the add-ons community,

 

A few weeks ago Derek Riemer and I had a discussion regarding an event to encourage add-on authors to mingle together and new developers to hear talks from prominent add-on writers regarding tips, tricks, new developments and what not. Due to our busy schedule with DictationBridge and other projects (and in my case, transferring to a new school), we didn’t have time to put this proposal into paper, but I think it is better to do it now:

 

One of the highlights from NVDACon 2016 was an event called “Add-ons Festival” where add-on authors would host a town hall style meeting with users of their add-ons. In 2016, I (Joseph Lee) and Derek Riemer held such meetings during our annual conference. The response was phenomenal and people suggested a similar event to be held during NVDACon 2017, but it did not happen due to time constraints. As a way to bring Add-ons Festival suggestion to life again and to give users a chance to meet authors of their favorite add-ons, as well as for veterans to teach the next generation of add-on writers, Derek and I propose that we hold the 2017 NVDA Add-ons Festival in September, likely towards end of that month.

 

The overall goal of this event is networking and building relationships. As much as Python code matters, what matters more is forging relationships between add-on writers and users, and amongst authors themselves. Also, as we have add-ons that are planning to support Python 3, wxPython 4 and what not, as well as bring finishing touches to Project Contact Lenses (engaging with scripters of other screen readers), I felt we should have seminars for those who’d like to learn more about Python 3 transition and a lab for scripters of other screen readers to get a hands-on training on how to write NVDA add-ons and/or port their existing scripts to NVDA world.

 

At the moment the biggest issues are date, time, and venue. I am willing to let the community use my TeamTalk server again (josephsl.net), then we run into coming up with sensible date and time where majority of us can socialize. We also need to recruit presenters and seminar hosts, with the ideal case being some add-on writers holding a seminar for users of their add-ons. For example, if Noelia decides to hold a meeting with users of her add-ons, users of Place Markers, Clip Contents Designer and what not can talk to her and provide suggestions. Similarly, I’d be happy to hold a seminar for users of a variety of add-ons, including StationPlaylist Studio, Windows 10 App Essentials, GoldWave and what not.

 

Comments on this proposal are appreciated.

Cheers,

Joseph


wanted to say thanks

Ashley Wayne
 

So I found a “switching from jaws to nvda” guide on the nv access site.  It was extremely helpful; I just wanted to say thanks for whomever took the time to write that up.  I figured there might be a chance that they read this list.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: odd backspace issue when using windows 10 mail app

Ashley Wayne
 

Lol that’s amusing.  It’s ok though, it just makes me be a more proficient typist lol.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: matthew dyer
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] odd backspace issue when using windows 10 mail app

 

Ashly,

 

Yes this is a bug.  Not sure why, but NVDA is the only screen reader that has this problem. HTH.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashley Wayne
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] odd backspace issue when using windows 10 mail app

 

Hello again all,

I am just curious if anyone else has experienced this; it is not a detrimental issue, just a bit inconvenient.  When I am typing an email in the mail app, pressing backspace NVDA doesn’t announce the character being deleted.  I don’t have this problem in other apps with edit fields, like firefox or notepad, backspace works fine there.  Anyway, thanks for any suggestions or thoughts.  I hope everyone has a good day/night.

Ashley

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


problem solved

Don H
 

So with some help from list members I figured out that my new Email provider was saying Emails from the list were spam and blocking them. Of course the web page to resolve the issue is real difficult to manage with a screen reader so I had to get some sighted help from my son.

Thanks to all for the help.


Seeking Tips on Installing OneCore Voices for Use With NVDA Snapshots

David Goldfield
 

I'm using Windows 10 Pro and I know that I have some of the OneCore voices already installed. However, I'm trying to install some of the British voices. While I see them in the list of voices under speech settings in Windows I can't seem to get them to work and I'd love to know what needs to be done in order to activate them.


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Windows 10 Maps Question

Laughing Thunder
 

Hi,


In the Windows 10 App Essentials add-on help, it says "When using street side view and if "use keyboard" option is enabled, NVDA will announce street addresses as you use arrow keys to navigate the map." Where is the use keyboard option? I don't see it in the maps app or the Windows 10 App Essentials preferences. I can get into street side view, but no addresses are announced, so I can only conclude that this feature doesn't work as described.

Thoughts/ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Windows 10 version info:

Edition: Windows 10 Pro

Version: 1607

OS Build: 14393.1358


test

Don H
 

test


Vocalizer Expressive Query

Andrea Sherry
 

Noticed when downloading some of the English speaking voices that all Premium High packages were quite large except Alison US voice. This voice is only about 93 megs large.

When this addon is installed it does not appear in the voice of voices.

Have others found this problem? If so I will contact the makers and attempt to have to problem resolved.

Cheers

Andrea