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Re: creating desktop shortcut for mail app

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

Yes, go ahead!

Yes, I made a real boo boo there!

Thanks a lot, Gene!

David Moore

That is a powerful way to put short cuts to apps on your desktop. I learned it from someone over a year ago.

We all help each other. That is what it should be all about!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

Hi David

 

the key command to bring up the run dialogue is the windows key + letter R

 

I just did what it said in the email for the knfb reader and now there is a shortcut on the desk top. I was unaware of this command.

 

could i put the directions on the windows 10 page up on accessibilitycentral.net? to share with the community.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 09/08/2017 12:05, David Moore wrote:

Here is how you create Short Cuts for win10 apps on your Desktop!

Press:

CTR+R

To open the run dialog.

Type:

Shell:appsfolder

In a couple of seconds, all of your win10 apps will be in a virticle list.

Press M for Mail, P for people and so on.

When you are on that app, Mail app,

Press:

Applications key or Shift+F10.

Up arrow once to create shortcut and press enter.

You will hear:

A shortcut cannot be created here, do you want to create it on the desktop instead?

Press enter, and the short cut for the Mail app will be right on your desktop.

I will paste an entire tutorial for using the Mail app later tonight for all of you to read.

It is very comprehensive, and can do so much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

is your copy the ribbons or the non ribbons

 

On 8/8/2017 3:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 02:01 pm, Ame wrote:

Does anybody happen to know of a way to create a desktop shortcut? 

Yep.  See:  

·         Adding Desktop Shortcuts Under Windows 10


I don't know where you can get an older copy of Windows Live Mail as I don't keep anything but the most recent, even after they've gone out of support.  If you're interested in Windows Live Mail 2012, I downloaded the installer for it about 2 weeks before Microsoft pulled it from their site an you can download it from my Google Drive by activating this link
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Re: Braille tethering

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok you should be able to edit the keys using the input gestures I mentioned previously.

Re pressing keys interrupting speech, the only options currently (in the Keyboard settings, from the Preferences menu or press NVDA+control+k) are speech interrupt for typed characters or speech interrupt for enter key - uncheck either of those to stop pressing those keys from interrupting speech.

Something which came up recently was someone else wanting to have a document read out to them continuously, even while doing something else on the computer.  If you want to do something like this, I found a program called Balabolka which works well for that: http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm  The main thing to be aware of, is not to use the same synthesizer for it and NVDA.  It uses Microsoft SAPI 5 by default.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.

The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:
George,

I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.

According to our notes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>

You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard. space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.

Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)

You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER. The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.


Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:


Hi Quentin!

Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:


Hi George,



Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.



Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:



Hello!



This is my first message to this list.



What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.



I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.



Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.



Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.



Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.



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Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>



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Training and Support Manager



Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>



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Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
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Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE    SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11






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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: running nvda in admin mode?

Quentin Christensen
 

Can you get / provide more information about what works better when running in Admin mode?  You really shouldn't run programs as administrator for the most part.  The only thing I'm aware of which would work better if NVDA was running as administrator is when running a portable copy of NVDA and accessing other programs which are running with administrator privileges, or secure Windows screens such as the UAC dialog. 

Is Xsplit running with admin privileges?

You can run a program as administrator by pressing the windows key, typing the name (NVDA for instance) pressing the applications key to bring up the context menu and choosing "Run as administrator"

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Hello.  Running xsplit and I talked to one of the devs. They got better accessibility when running nvda in admin mode. How do I run nvda as an administrator again? I forgot.

Using windows 10 over here and the latest snap.





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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: loss of speech with latest Next version

Gene
 

When programs crash, if they show in the system tray, the crash will usually leave the item in the system tray but it no longer functions.  You have to use the new item for it in the system tray placed there when the program runs again. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 7:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next version

I reported earlier that I have lost speech several times with the latest
Next version of NVDA on a Win 10 system.  When this happens I use the
shortcut key to start NVDA and I regain speech.  After having done that
I now have two instances of NVDA showing in the system tray.  Never had
this happen before this latest Next version.





Re: Braille tethering

George Zaynoun
 

I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.

The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:

George,
I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.
According to our notes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>
You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard. space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.
Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)
You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER. The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.

Regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

Hi Quentin!
Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.
I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.
I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:

Hi George,


Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.


Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:


Hello!


This is my first message to this list.


What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.


I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.


Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.


Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.


Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.


--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>


--


Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>


Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/>>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess> <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>>
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11


running nvda in admin mode?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. Running xsplit and I talked to one of the devs. They got better accessibility when running nvda in admin mode. How do I run nvda as an administrator again? I forgot.

Using windows 10 over here and the latest snap.


loss of speech with latest Next version

Don H
 

I reported earlier that I have lost speech several times with the latest Next version of NVDA on a Win 10 system. When this happens I use the shortcut key to start NVDA and I regain speech. After having done that I now have two instances of NVDA showing in the system tray. Never had this happen before this latest Next version.


Braille tethering, was: Re: [nvda] Future of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

George,

I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.


You should be able to use the display to navigate.  For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard.  space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.

Is that what you were after?  (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)

You can also reassign commands.  If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER.  The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button.  Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture.  This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing.  If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.


Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin!

Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:
Hi George,

Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.

Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:


Hello!

This is my first message to this list.

What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.

I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.

Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.

Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.

Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.

--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>





--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE    SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: creating desktop shortcut for mail app

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi David


the key command to bring up the run dialogue is the windows key + letter R


I just did what it said in the email for the knfb reader and now there is a shortcut on the desk top. I was unaware of this command.


could i put the directions on the windows 10 page up on accessibilitycentral.net? to share with the community.


Gene nz



On 09/08/2017 12:05, David Moore wrote:

Here is how you create Short Cuts for win10 apps on your Desktop!

Press:

CTR+R

To open the run dialog.

Type:

Shell:appsfolder

In a couple of seconds, all of your win10 apps will be in a virticle list.

Press M for Mail, P for people and so on.

When you are on that app, Mail app,

Press:

Applications key or Shift+F10.

Up arrow once to create shortcut and press enter.

You will hear:

A shortcut cannot be created here, do you want to create it on the desktop instead?

Press enter, and the short cut for the Mail app will be right on your desktop.

I will paste an entire tutorial for using the Mail app later tonight for all of you to read.

It is very comprehensive, and can do so much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

is your copy the ribbons or the non ribbons

 

On 8/8/2017 3:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 02:01 pm, Ame wrote:

Does anybody happen to know of a way to create a desktop shortcut? 

Yep.  See:  


I don't know where you can get an older copy of Windows Live Mail as I don't keep anything but the most recent, even after they've gone out of support.  If you're interested in Windows Live Mail 2012, I downloaded the installer for it about 2 weeks before Microsoft pulled it from their site an you can download it from my Google Drive by activating this link
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     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 

 

 



Re: loss of speech with latest Next build

John Hedges
 

I have as well. It is even more noticeable when switching/closing between Edge and Mail, or during an error in NVDA that may be related to DOM access. NVDA appears to hang and then reset a while later.

 

When the speech stops, I just wait some 30 second for it to return to normal.

 

John

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next build

 

Running the latest Next build of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine.  With
this bulid of NVDA I have experienced for the first time with NVDA at
least three losses of speech for what seems to be a random cause.






loss of speech with latest Next build

Don H
 

Running the latest Next build of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. With this bulid of NVDA I have experienced for the first time with NVDA at least three losses of speech for what seems to be a random cause.


Re: free programs for copying and moving folders

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Windows has a copy program built in, it's called copy, and can be found anywhere windows wants to copy something. Failing that, you can use the command line, and use the xcopy command if you need to copy multiple directories and subdirectories. Of course, this may require reading of help files to make it do what you want, so that may not be an option, but I'd wager you could find any number of copy programs if you performed a google search and specified what kind of features you wanted. I.E.

program to copy files with file attributes set.

or

copy all subdirectories in a drive

Google is pretty good about that sort of thing.

On 8/7/2017 4:34 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I was looking for a good program for moving and copying files for faster speed. I use to use tera copy butt it no longer works with a screen reader. If any knows of a good and free copyer just let me know.




Announcing release of DictationBridge add-on 1.0 release candidate 1

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

The DictationBridge project is delighted to announce the immediate release of RC1 of DictationBridge add-on for NVDA, version 1.0. This version is suitable for production testing and should be used by many people so the project can gain insights as to how you use it and receive feedback regarding critical bugs before the stable version ships.

 

More information can be found at:

http://dictationbridge.com/2017/08/09/dictationbridge-release-candidate-for-nvda-now-available-for-download/

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA IS SLUGGISH

Graham Armfield
 

This appears to be similar to a problem I've been having since the Creators Update to Windows 10. There are other threads on here about this - specifically: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/5543150 and https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/speech_delay_in_nvda_2017_2/5543130

Apologies if I'm not using the correct linking startegy for other threads.

I have contributed to both these threads and have tried the solutions put forward but without success - I'm still getting a half second to full second delay between focus landing on an object and NVDA voicing the object.

When I run the NVDA Speech Viewer tool, I can see that NVDA interprets the focused element immediately, but the delay in voicing the element occurs after that.

I am obviously keen to fix the situation since it makes using NVDA very hit and miss. But I'm not technically literate in terms of temporary files and log files and power management so please could someone supply a bit more detail about which power management settings I'm looking for to try changing, and also the location of a log file from NVDA that might help to troubleshoot the issue.

Thanks for your time.

Graham


Re: Future of NVDA

George Zaynoun
 

Hi Quentin!

Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:

Hi George,
Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.
Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

Hello!
This is my first message to this list.
What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.
I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.
Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.
Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.
Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.
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Re: Future of NVDA

The Gamages
 

You are so right, and don't the media cause trouble in this world by
cherry picking the sensationalist parts of a story? and, of course some
people only hear the bits they want to hear.
We don't generally listen properly, my friend fixes home appliances for
a living, he has stopped giving actual time periods for arrival at a
job, this is because, if he states a time period between say 9. 30 am
and 12 noon, all the person will hear is 9. 30, he then gets abuse
because he arrives at 11 30.
We are all guilty of it at some time, it will not be the last time I
have had to apologise for getting it wrong.
In this case, we must remember that English is not necessarily the first
language of list members and that makes it harder for them.



Best Regards, Jim.

-----Original Message-----
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of NVDA

There are always people who sensationalise things for whatever reason.
One
thing is as true on the net as it is in the printed media. Only believe
anything directly from the source. so many people have hidden agendas or
simply misinterpret stuff, so are not reliable.
I liken it to what happens when there is a robbery and the police ask
the
witnesses what they saw. Out of 6 people you often get six totally
different
versions. We are not good at understanding things and passing them on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Future of NVDA


I have apologized for this alarming message.
But, in some website, there was alarmed article. This article is in
Czech
language and I won't translate It here, but some people knows about It
from Czech republic and Slovakia also. I was scarried, because I can't
imagine, that NVDA will be death. I have used NVDA in my life mostly,
like
Jaws.



Re: to Joseph and other developers of SPL Addon

Justin Harris <justin171185@...>
 

Good to know. I'd never had that happen before. Thanks. :)

El 8/9/2017 a las 3:37 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escribió:
I have found when add ons screw up often after windows has had to use a last known good registry on boot up that little bits of the old configs lurk around even after an uniinstall of the actual add on so it pays to search for these before attempting to put it back on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Harris" <justin171185@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] to Joseph and other developers of SPL Addon


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!!!!!!! That fixed it. I was pretty nervous there for a little bit. Works like a charm yet again. Thanks for your continued hard work in developing this addon.


El 8/8/2017 a las 12:14 PM, Joseph Lee escribió:
Hi,
Okay, when you are focused on Studio window (especially the main playlist), what does NVDA say when you press Control+NVDA+F1? If it says, "currently running application is splstudio.exe and currently loaded module is splstudio", then something odd is going on with your settings or something. If it only announces splstudio.exe, then the app module isn't running at all. One possible way to fix this is go into the NVDA user configuration folder, go to add-ons folder, locate StationPlaylist and delete that folder, then back on the main user config folder, delete splstudio.ini to perform a manual reset. Then reinstall the add-on and see if that makes a difference.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Justin Harris
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] to Joseph and other developers of SPL Addon

Hi Joseph and others,
I somehow managed to break the spl addon for NVDA. I had a power outage.
When the computer came back on, things weren't quite working as they should with some of my shortcut keys. Such as activating the SPL Assistante layer, getting weather info, etc. In the past, whenever I had issues, I would just go in and delete the key assignments and assign them again, and would be good to go. However, it appears I accidently deleted the command entirely, not just the keys assigned to them. No idea how that could even happen, but in the area do assign gestures and key commands, these options do not even appear.
I have tried to uninstall and then reinstall the addon, with no such luck. Studio itself continues to run normally, so I don't think anything got messed up there. Any idea how this could have happened? Even more importantly, any idea how I can go about fixing it?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Kind regards,
Justin Harris








Re: Solving Captshas

 

Yeah I had a servey for some braille device use capchas and I couldn't understand them there are better ways, logical capchas, a fill in the blank, a program asking a question, or asking you to repeat a word and its randomised stuff like that.

Also using multiple forms of varifications, etc.

On 9/08/2017 8:51 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I have a very political thing to say.
I think this sort of human detection system is inherently broken for anyone with a dual sensory loss or in my case even sight loss as the audio version is often given as a challenge,so they know its crap.
There are many other ways nowadays to check the person is real, simply sending them an email they have to action seems to work quite well. These devices should be outlawed completely.
I noted the other day that on my pc simply getting into my alexa app on firefox had one, however thankfully logging into Amazon normally did not and then opening the app worked without one.
I'm truly surprised that Mozilla and others are still using these outdated devices. If anyone goes back as far as I do, you will remember lenslok, there wobbly writing could only be read with a plastic lens pushed to the screen.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Solving Captshas


In my humble opinion this can be part of the job of a screen reader, so
why not integrate such a facility in NVDA directly rather than via an
external addon to a browser?


Re: creating desktop shortcut for mail app

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Thanks for this tip, David. I have been looking for this for quite some time without finding it!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

Here is how you create Short Cuts for win10 apps on your Desktop!

Press:

CTR+R

To open the run dialog.

Type:

Shell:appsfolder

In a couple of seconds, all of your win10 apps will be in a virticle list.

Press M for Mail, P for people and so on.

When you are on that app, Mail app,

Press:

Applications key or Shift+F10.

Up arrow once to create shortcut and press enter.

You will hear:

A shortcut cannot be created here, do you want to create it on the desktop instead?

Press enter, and the short cut for the Mail app will be right on your desktop.

I will paste an entire tutorial for using the Mail app later tonight for all of you to read.

It is very comprehensive, and can do so much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:37 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

is your copy the ribbons or the non ribbons

 

On 8/8/2017 3:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 02:01 pm, Ame wrote:

Does anybody happen to know of a way to create a desktop shortcut? 

Yep.  See:  


I don't know where you can get an older copy of Windows Live Mail as I don't keep anything but the most recent, even after they've gone out of support.  If you're interested in Windows Live Mail 2012, I downloaded the installer for it about 2 weeks before Microsoft pulled it from their site an you can download it from my Google Drive by activating
this link
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Re: Track change in PDF documents

Quentin Christensen
 

Actually that's a good idea and I can definitely see the use case for that.

I have to leave the computer and do a couple of things in a moment but if someone is free to write that up in a GitHub issue, it will at least be on the radar.

In the meantime, one workaround I can suggest, particularly if all the edits are in the one colour, and you know what it is, you can do it with Word's built in search function by:

1. In your Word document, press control+h to bring up the find and replace dialog (this uses the dialog rather than the task pane).
2. Press control+o to open the "format" menu, then F for font.
3. Press alt+c to jump to colour (note you can get to most of these options with TAB, I'm just putting the shortcut keys because I can).
4. Select the colour you want to search for and press ENTER.
5. TAB to OK and press ENTER again, then ENTER one more time to "Find next" (note we didn't put any text to find, so it's just looking for text of this colour).
6. Press ESCAPE to close the dialog.
7. Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the next instance and CONTROL+PAGE UP to move to the previous instance.

Regards

Quentin.

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I do so agree with this. I have to make up rotas for the local talking newspaper and of course if one of my sighted colleagues has an issue with a date I have him down for, what does he or she do? Highlight it in red of course.
Not very helpful at the moment.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents


Dear Quentin,



I hope you followed a bit the discussion between Michal and me about this matter. Well apart from the track change in pdf documents, color by color navigation would also make sense in ms word. Lots of sighted people highlight part of text pieces just to show you that they have a question on that. This is also very often the case in our documents. They just tell you, I’ve highlighted the text in yellow or so.



Apart from that, imagine the following case: you have let’s say 10 questions on a draft document and put them into an e-mail and send them to 6 parties. Every one has to comment on that and instead of answering just to your original e-mail, every one answers on the last e-mail of the conversation. Now imagine one party saying „please see my comments in blue“, the second one „see my comments in red“ and so on. They also add lots of screenshots and so on between my original e-mail with the questions and the last e-mail of the conversation. At the end I have to scroll lots of pages down to my first e-mail in order to see the comments. But what if I just want to see the red comments or both red and blue comments? It would make sense to navigate by red text color or by red and blue text color and I would save alot of time and would not have to deal with information which is not relevant to me.



The next use case is very simple. Imagine you get the task to fill in the yellow cells in ms excel. But they are spread across the sheet and are not ordered properly in one single column. Now if the sheet has 30 columns and 400 rows, how should I find the yellow cells without spending more than a hour?



I experienced a lot how sighted people communicate with each other digitally. Instead of defining headings properly, they just change the color of the text or the style (bold etc.). So it would make sense to navigate not just color by color, but also between other formating aspects. NVDA would be able to do that. And it would be great to be able to adjust this in the settings just how you need it for a certain case.



Sometimes I was really angry about the lack of accessibility in lots of documents or web sites. But now that this screen reader is so well developped that it can recognize diferent formating and so on, we could adapt it to the way sighted people communicate to each other. This does of course not mean that we should stop raising the awarenes of developers to make their products accessible. But we as users of screen readers would be more flexible on this accessibility issue than we are now.





I hope it is now more understandable.



I am always open for interesting discussions on topics like this.





Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Montag, 7. August 2017 00:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents



I must admit, I still don't fully understand the use case - if you want to use track changes, which is a Microsoft Word feature, then you should use Word.  In any case:



PDF as far as I can tell, doesn't support Word's track changes, so it simply displays the text as it is presented to it - deleted text is formatted with red strikethrough and inserted text is formatted as red underlined.  There are no annotations etc for NVDA to jump to.  If you export the file to HTML you would find the same thing when you open it in Firefox or any other browser.



If you really must use PDF, the only thing I can think of is when you save the file to PDF, if you activate the "options" button, you can select "document only" instead of the default "Document showing markup".  So that is the same as if you accept all changes.  You won't see how the document was edited, but you will see the latest version of the document incorporating all changes.



Regards



Quentin.



On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@... <mailto:adriani.botez@...m> > wrote:

Well, for example if someone would assess a document version and its track change at that moment and then give his or her opinion on that document so that the relevant parties can go forward to next version. You can asure that there are no changes to your track change so far. A pracit´cal case would be if you have to just review a document which is not addressed to you but it depends on your assessment. For example auditors etc.



Most private users would probably not meet this case very often. But if you have alot to do with contracts and contract negotiations (professionally or even for your own company etc.), then I think it is useful to be able to work securely.





Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] Im Auftrag von Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. August 2017 12:03
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents



I must admit, my first thought was: "I've never tried that, I'll have to have a look before I can give you an answer".



My second thought is "Why would someone use track changes to highlight a bunch of changes they want in a Word document, and then send it around in a format other than docx?  The whole point of track changes is that you send me the document you've written, I use track changes to make adjustments I think improve it, I send it back to you and you go through and either accept or reject each, after which, you end up with a document with all the appropriate changes made (or removed).  Only at that point should you consider converting to another format if needed.



On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 7:43 PM, adriani.botez via Groups.Io <adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io> > wrote:

Dear NVDA comunity,

is there any solution to read the track changes when someone saved the word document as a pdf? In MS word you can jump through them in browse mode by pressing a. But in pdf documents, NVDA does not read them at all. I tried to activate the text color in document formating. But it is quite annoying that I have to navigate line by line to find the changes. In a document with more than 100 pages is a time wasting task. A short cut as in ms word would help alot.


Thank you for suggestions

Best
Adriani







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