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Re: loss of speech with latest Next build

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Nothing so far in windows 7, so as this does not use Edge is this the one defining factor here?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next build


I have as well. It is even more noticeable when switching/closing between Edge and Mail, or during an error in NVDA that may be related to DOM access. NVDA appears to hang and then reset a while later.



When the speech stops, I just wait some 30 second for it to return to normal.



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Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next build



Running the latest Next build of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. With
this bulid of NVDA I have experienced for the first time with NVDA at
least three losses of speech for what seems to be a random cause.


Re: Track change in PDF documents

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I had no idea this sort of thing might actually work to be honest. It never crossed my mind to try it.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents


Actually that's a good idea and I can definitely see the use case for that.

I have to leave the computer and do a couple of things in a moment but if
someone is free to write that up in a GitHub issue, it will at least be on
the radar.

In the meantime, one workaround I can suggest, particularly if all the
edits are in the one colour, and you know what it is, you can do it with
Word's built in search function by:

1. In your Word document, press control+h to bring up the find and replace
dialog (this uses the dialog rather than the task pane).
2. Press control+o to open the "format" menu, then F for font.
3. Press alt+c to jump to colour (note you can get to most of these options
with TAB, I'm just putting the shortcut keys because I can).
4. Select the colour you want to search for and press ENTER.
5. TAB to OK and press ENTER again, then ENTER one more time to "Find next"
(note we didn't put any text to find, so it's just looking for text of this
colour).
6. Press ESCAPE to close the dialog.
7. Press CONTROL+PAGE DOWN to move to the next instance and CONTROL+PAGE UP
to move to the previous instance.

Regards

Quentin.

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I do so agree with this. I have to make up rotas for the local talking
newspaper and of course if one of my sighted colleagues has an issue with a
date I have him down for, what does he or she do? Highlight it in red of
course.
Not very helpful at the moment.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents


Dear Quentin,



I hope you followed a bit the discussion between Michal and me about this
matter. Well apart from the track change in pdf documents, color by color
navigation would also make sense in ms word. Lots of sighted people
highlight part of text pieces just to show you that they have a question on
that. This is also very often the case in our documents. They just tell
you, I’ve highlighted the text in yellow or so.



Apart from that, imagine the following case: you have let’s say 10
questions on a draft document and put them into an e-mail and send them to
6 parties. Every one has to comment on that and instead of answering just
to your original e-mail, every one answers on the last e-mail of the
conversation. Now imagine one party saying „please see my comments in
blue“, the second one „see my comments in red“ and so on. They also add
lots of screenshots and so on between my original e-mail with the questions
and the last e-mail of the conversation. At the end I have to scroll lots
of pages down to my first e-mail in order to see the comments. But what if
I just want to see the red comments or both red and blue comments? It would
make sense to navigate by red text color or by red and blue text color and
I would save alot of time and would not have to deal with information which
is not relevant to me.



The next use case is very simple. Imagine you get the task to fill in the
yellow cells in ms excel. But they are spread across the sheet and are not
ordered properly in one single column. Now if the sheet has 30 columns and
400 rows, how should I find the yellow cells without spending more than a
hour?



I experienced a lot how sighted people communicate with each other
digitally. Instead of defining headings properly, they just change the
color of the text or the style (bold etc.). So it would make sense to
navigate not just color by color, but also between other formating aspects.
NVDA would be able to do that. And it would be great to be able to adjust
this in the settings just how you need it for a certain case.



Sometimes I was really angry about the lack of accessibility in lots of
documents or web sites. But now that this screen reader is so well
developped that it can recognize diferent formating and so on, we could
adapt it to the way sighted people communicate to each other. This does of
course not mean that we should stop raising the awarenes of developers to
make their products accessible. But we as users of screen readers would be
more flexible on this accessibility issue than we are now.





I hope it is now more understandable.



I am always open for interesting discussions on topics like this.





Best

Adriani



Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
Quentin Christensen
Gesendet: Montag, 7. August 2017 00:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents



I must admit, I still don't fully understand the use case - if you want to
use track changes, which is a Microsoft Word feature, then you should use
Word. In any case:



PDF as far as I can tell, doesn't support Word's track changes, so it
simply displays the text as it is presented to it - deleted text is
formatted with red strikethrough and inserted text is formatted as red
underlined. There are no annotations etc for NVDA to jump to. If you
export the file to HTML you would find the same thing when you open it in
Firefox or any other browser.



If you really must use PDF, the only thing I can think of is when you save
the file to PDF, if you activate the "options" button, you can select
"document only" instead of the default "Document showing markup". So that
is the same as if you accept all changes. You won't see how the document
was edited, but you will see the latest version of the document
incorporating all changes.



Regards



Quentin.



On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com
<mailto:adriani.botez@gmail.com> > wrote:

Well, for example if someone would assess a document version and its track
change at that moment and then give his or her opinion on that document so
that the relevant parties can go forward to next version. You can asure
that there are no changes to your track change so far. A pracit´cal case
would be if you have to just review a document which is not addressed to
you but it depends on your assessment. For example auditors etc.



Most private users would probably not meet this case very often. But if
you have alot to do with contracts and contract negotiations
(professionally or even for your own company etc.), then I think it is
useful to be able to work securely.





Best

Adriani



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nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] Im Auftrag von Quentin
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Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. August 2017 12:03
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Track change in PDF documents



I must admit, my first thought was: "I've never tried that, I'll have to
have a look before I can give you an answer".



My second thought is "Why would someone use track changes to highlight a
bunch of changes they want in a Word document, and then send it around in a
format other than docx? The whole point of track changes is that you send
me the document you've written, I use track changes to make adjustments I
think improve it, I send it back to you and you go through and either
accept or reject each, after which, you end up with a document with all the
appropriate changes made (or removed). Only at that point should you
consider converting to another format if needed.



On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 7:43 PM, adriani.botez via Groups.Io <adriani.botez=
googlemail.com@groups.io <mailto:adriani.botez=googlemail.com@groups.io>
wrote:
Dear NVDA comunity,

is there any solution to read the track changes when someone saved the
word document as a pdf? In MS word you can jump through them in browse mode
by pressing a. But in pdf documents, NVDA does not read them at all. I
tried to activate the text color in document formating. But it is quite
annoying that I have to navigate line by line to find the changes. In a
document with more than 100 pages is a time wasting task. A short cut as in
ms word would help alot.


Thank you for suggestions

Best
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Re: Something like Karen's Replicator for windows 8?

Gary Bowers
 

Hi Cindy,

Thanks for recommending Allway Sync. It's reasonably priced and it appears to be a very helpful program for backups, replicating, etc.

I plan to buy the pro version for my Windows 10 computer. The purchase will allow me to get a discounted price for my kids' computers.

Thanks again,

Gary in Texas

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Something like Karen's Replicator for windows 8?

I have found that it doesn't work well in windows 10 anymore. It does not replicate the creation of folders within folders any more and simply labels them as errors.

I also use Allway sync. Originally I used it for syncing some folders between my desktop and sd cards. It will create folders and delete folders in both directions as necessary. You can create as many jobs as you like and run them all or one at a time. I have now moved the items I used in Karen's over to Allway Sync. The things in Karen's was set to run nightly to update my backup drive with the days changes (the backup drive syncs to off-site backup).

Allway sync has been around for a very long time (XP) and I did pay for the license to allow me to use as many files as I want (for backup jobs there are enough free files to let you try it out well before purchasing). The developer is very helpful and even sent me a new license when it was lost in one of my moves to a new computer. The license is forever and there are updates occasionally.

And since I didn't specifically mention it. It is accessible.

https:allwaysync.com

Cindy

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Subject: [nvda] Something like Karen's Replicator for windows 8?

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

It was a really good program, but it doesn't seem to work in windows 8 anymore.


Re: Braille tethering

George Zaynoun
 

Hello Andre!

I tried your suggestions and unchecked even simple review mode and tethered Braille to review but could not read independently from speech on the desktop and the display was locked to a position. Nevermind I will have to live with Braille as is, perhaps if there were more Braille users my wishes would come through.
Original message:

Hi George.
I think you should perhaps slow down for a second. I personally do not use a braille display, but after reading the documentation it appears that some of these things can really be achieved. For example, have you gone into the Review cursor dialog and turned off settings like following system focus and caret, then tethering the display to review with Control+NVDA+T? That should, in my view, make NVDA braille not follow system focus (what you hear through speech). Reply if you understand and have tried it.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille tethering
It seems a bit difficult to edit my Braille display keys but I will
keep trying, however I am aware of that keyboard typing interrupt
speech but it was not that I meant I meant and mean Braille display
keys, also I would like to have a feature whereby typing passwords
would reveal the typed characters in Braille, it can be a checkbox to
toggle, finally why not make NVDA detect which Braille display
automatically when one changes Braille display, SystemAccess does that
and I like to automate most things like that.
I hope some if not all of what I wished be implemented sometime, thanks.
Original message:
Ok you should be able to edit the keys using the input gestures I
mentioned previously.
Re pressing keys interrupting speech, the only options currently (in
the Keyboard settings, from the Preferences menu or press
NVDA+control+k) are speech interrupt for typed characters or speech
interrupt for enter key - uncheck either of those to stop pressing
those keys from interrupting speech.
Something which came up recently was someone else wanting to have a
document read out to them continuously, even while doing something else
on the computer. If you want to do something like this, I found a
program called Balabolka which works well for that:
http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm
<http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm> The main thing to be aware
of, is not to use the same synthesizer for it and NVDA. It uses
Microsoft SAPI 5 by default.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, George Zaynoun
<humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:
I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.
The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input
keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is
now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with
speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not
interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:
George,
I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.
According to our notes in the User Guide:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>>
You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance,
space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard.
space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.
Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that
link, I just grabbed two at random)
You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for
preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER.
The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add
to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in
your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't
override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that
will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and
activate the remove button.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun
<humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>
<mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:
Hi Quentin!
Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how
and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the
display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just
when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely
regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type
cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.
I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this
Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.
I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a
toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:
Hi George,
Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille
coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of
weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs
are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and
the web particularly have big advances.
Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a
starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review
cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with
regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to
the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review
cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings,
and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things,
some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of
the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor
and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA
module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
<http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>> From the page on the shop for the
module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free
sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun
<humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>
<mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>
<mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>
<mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net
<mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>>> wrote:
Hello!
This is my first message to this list.
What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.
I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the
whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make
Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or
Freedom Scientific's JAWS.
Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be
addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be
Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or
combined together with a checkbox.
Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect
Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.
Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great
development work to it, more concerns later.
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Re: Braille tethering

Andre Fisher
 

Hi George.

 

I think you should perhaps slow down for a second. I personally do not use a braille display, but after reading the documentation it appears that some of these things can really be achieved. For example, have you gone into the Review cursor dialog and turned off settings like following system focus and caret, then tethering the display to review with Control+NVDA+T? That should, in my view, make NVDA braille not follow system focus (what you hear through speech). Reply if you understand and have tried it.

 

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From: George Zaynoun
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 11:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille tethering

 

It seems a bit difficult to edit my Braille display keys but I will

keep trying, however I am aware of that keyboard typing interrupt

speech but it was not that I meant I meant and mean Braille display

keys, also I would like to have a feature whereby typing passwords

would reveal the typed characters in Braille, it can be a checkbox to

toggle, finally why not make NVDA detect which Braille display

automatically when one changes Braille display, SystemAccess does that

and I like to automate most things like that.

 

I hope some if not all of what I wished be implemented sometime, thanks.

Original message:

> Ok you should be able to edit the keys using the input gestures I

> mentioned previously.

 

> Re pressing keys interrupting speech, the only options currently (in

> the Keyboard settings, from the Preferences menu or press

> NVDA+control+k) are speech interrupt for typed characters or speech

> interrupt for enter key - uncheck either of those to stop pressing

> those keys from interrupting speech.

 

> Something which came up recently was someone else wanting to have a

> document read out to them continuously, even while doing something else

> on the computer. If you want to do something like this, I found a

> program called Balabolka which works well for that:

> http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm

> <http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm> The main thing to be aware

> of, is not to use the same synthesizer for it and NVDA. It uses

> Microsoft SAPI 5 by default.

> Regards

> Quentin.

 

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, George Zaynoun

> <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>> wrote:

 

 

> I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.

 

> The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input

> keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is

> now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with

> speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not

> interrupt speech, thanks.

> Original message:

 

 

> George,

 

 

 

> I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.

 

 

 

> According to our notes in the User Guide:

> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112

> <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>

> <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112

> <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>>

 

 

 

> You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance,

> space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard.

> space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.

 

 

 

> Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that

> link, I just grabbed two at random)

 

 

 

> You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for

> preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER.

> The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add

> to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in

> your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't

> override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that

> will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and

> activate the remove button.

 

 

 

> Regards

 

 

 

> Quentin.

 

 

 

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun

> <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>

> <mailto:humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>>> wrote:

 

 

 

> Hi Quentin!

 

 

 

> Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:

> If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how

> and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the

> display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just

> when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely

> regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type

> cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

 

 

 

> I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this

> Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

 

 

 

> I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a

> toggle for these things, thanks.

> Original message:

 

 

 

> Hi George,

 

 

 

> Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille

> coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of

> weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs

> are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and

> the web particularly have big advances.

 

 

 

> Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a

> starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review

> cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with

> regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to

> the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review

> cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings,

> and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things,

> some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of

> the User Guide for your particular model or brand.

> Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor

> and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA

> module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>> From the page on the shop for the

> module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free

> sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.

 

 

 

> Kind regards

 

 

 

> Quentin.

 

 

 

> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun

> <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>

> <mailto:humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>>

> <mailto:humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>

> <mailto:humorlessgeza@...

> <mailto:humorlessgeza@...>>>> wrote:

 

 

 

> Hello!

 

 

 

> This is my first message to this list.

 

 

 

> What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.

 

 

 

> I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the

> whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make

> Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or

> Freedom Scientific's JAWS.

 

 

 

> Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be

> addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be

> Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or

> combined together with a checkbox.

 

 

 

> Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect

> Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.

 

 

 

> Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great

> development work to it, more concerns later.

 

 

 

> --

> Georges Zeinoun

> Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN

> Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029>

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> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>

 

 

 

> --

 

 

 

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now

> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>>

 

 

 

> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>

> <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>

> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org

> <http://www.nvaccess.org>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/

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> --

> Georges Zeinoun

> Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN

> Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029>

> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11

> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>

 

 

 

> --

 

 

 

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

 

 

 

> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now

> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>

 

 

 

> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>

> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/

> <http://www.nvaccess.org/>>

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess> <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>>

> Twitter: @NVAccess

 

 

 

 

> --

> Georges Zeinoun

> Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN

> Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46

> (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>

 

 

 

 

 

> --

 

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

 

> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now

> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

 

> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>

> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>

> Twitter: @NVAccess

 

>

 

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Re: Something like Karen's Replicator for windows 8?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I have found that it doesn't work well in windows 10 anymore. It does not replicate the creation of folders within folders any more and simply labels them as errors.

I also use Allway sync. Originally I used it for syncing some folders between my desktop and sd cards. It will create folders and delete folders in both directions as necessary. You can create as many jobs as you like and run them all or one at a time. I have now moved the items I used in Karen's over to Allway Sync. The things in Karen's was set to run nightly to update my backup drive with the days changes (the backup drive syncs to off-site backup).

Allway sync has been around for a very long time (XP) and I did pay for the license to allow me to use as many files as I want (for backup jobs there are enough free files to let you try it out well before purchasing). The developer is very helpful and even sent me a new license when it was lost in one of my moves to a new computer. The license is forever and there are updates occasionally.

And since I didn't specifically mention it. It is accessible.

https:allwaysync.com

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Something like Karen's Replicator for windows 8?

Hi folks.

Subject says it all.

It was a really good program, but it doesn't seem to work in windows 8 anymore.


Re: Braille tethering

George Zaynoun
 

It seems a bit difficult to edit my Braille display keys but I will keep trying, however I am aware of that keyboard typing interrupt speech but it was not that I meant I meant and mean Braille display keys, also I would like to have a feature whereby typing passwords would reveal the typed characters in Braille, it can be a checkbox to toggle, finally why not make NVDA detect which Braille display automatically when one changes Braille display, SystemAccess does that and I like to automate most things like that.

I hope some if not all of what I wished be implemented sometime, thanks.
Original message:

Ok you should be able to edit the keys using the input gestures I mentioned previously.
Re pressing keys interrupting speech, the only options currently (in the Keyboard settings, from the Preferences menu or press NVDA+control+k) are speech interrupt for typed characters or speech interrupt for enter key - uncheck either of those to stop pressing those keys from interrupting speech.
Something which came up recently was someone else wanting to have a document read out to them continuously, even while doing something else on the computer. If you want to do something like this, I found a program called Balabolka which works well for that: http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm <http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm> The main thing to be aware of, is not to use the same synthesizer for it and NVDA. It uses Microsoft SAPI 5 by default.
Regards
Quentin.
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.
The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:

George,


I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.


According to our notes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112> <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>>


You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard. space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.


Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)


You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER. The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.


Regards


Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:


Hi Quentin!


Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.


I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.


I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:


Hi George,


Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.


Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>>> wrote:


Hello!


This is my first message to this list.


What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.


I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.


Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.


Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.


Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.


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Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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changing the reading order in thunder bird

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Hay I was wondering how to make thunder bird say unread first instead of reading the who it's from. How do I change the statice


Re: loss of speech with latest Next version

Jacob Kruger
 

I've had this a few times, and, hitting enter on the non-functional system tray icon will make it disappear, whereas hitting enter on the active one will invoke context menu - this is under my windows 10 64 bit machine, but, think it should work similarly under things like windows 7, etc. as well - as in, hitting enter on an inactive icon should dismiss it.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2017-08-10 05:13, Gene wrote:

When programs crash, if they show in the system tray, the crash will usually leave the item in the system tray but it no longer functions.  You have to use the new item for it in the system tray placed there when the program runs again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 7:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next version

I reported earlier that I have lost speech several times with the latest
Next version of NVDA on a Win 10 system.  When this happens I use the
shortcut key to start NVDA and I regain speech.  After having done that
I now have two instances of NVDA showing in the system tray.  Never had
this happen before this latest Next version.






Re: creating desktop shortcut for mail app

David Moore
 

Hi Gene!

Yes, go ahead!

Yes, I made a real boo boo there!

Thanks a lot, Gene!

David Moore

That is a powerful way to put short cuts to apps on your desktop. I learned it from someone over a year ago.

We all help each other. That is what it should be all about!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 5:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

Hi David

 

the key command to bring up the run dialogue is the windows key + letter R

 

I just did what it said in the email for the knfb reader and now there is a shortcut on the desk top. I was unaware of this command.

 

could i put the directions on the windows 10 page up on accessibilitycentral.net? to share with the community.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 09/08/2017 12:05, David Moore wrote:

Here is how you create Short Cuts for win10 apps on your Desktop!

Press:

CTR+R

To open the run dialog.

Type:

Shell:appsfolder

In a couple of seconds, all of your win10 apps will be in a virticle list.

Press M for Mail, P for people and so on.

When you are on that app, Mail app,

Press:

Applications key or Shift+F10.

Up arrow once to create shortcut and press enter.

You will hear:

A shortcut cannot be created here, do you want to create it on the desktop instead?

Press enter, and the short cut for the Mail app will be right on your desktop.

I will paste an entire tutorial for using the Mail app later tonight for all of you to read.

It is very comprehensive, and can do so much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

is your copy the ribbons or the non ribbons

 

On 8/8/2017 3:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 02:01 pm, Ame wrote:

Does anybody happen to know of a way to create a desktop shortcut? 

Yep.  See:  

·         Adding Desktop Shortcuts Under Windows 10


I don't know where you can get an older copy of Windows Live Mail as I don't keep anything but the most recent, even after they've gone out of support.  If you're interested in Windows Live Mail 2012, I downloaded the installer for it about 2 weeks before Microsoft pulled it from their site an you can download it from my Google Drive by activating this link
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Re: Braille tethering

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok you should be able to edit the keys using the input gestures I mentioned previously.

Re pressing keys interrupting speech, the only options currently (in the Keyboard settings, from the Preferences menu or press NVDA+control+k) are speech interrupt for typed characters or speech interrupt for enter key - uncheck either of those to stop pressing those keys from interrupting speech.

Something which came up recently was someone else wanting to have a document read out to them continuously, even while doing something else on the computer.  If you want to do something like this, I found a program called Balabolka which works well for that: http://www.cross-plus-a.com/balabolka.htm  The main thing to be aware of, is not to use the same synthesizer for it and NVDA.  It uses Microsoft SAPI 5 by default.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:09 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.

The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:
George,

I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.

According to our notes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>

You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard. space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.

Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)

You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER. The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.


Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:


Hi Quentin!

Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:


Hi George,



Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.



Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:



Hello!



This is my first message to this list.



What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.



I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.



Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.



Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.



Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.



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Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
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Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11






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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: running nvda in admin mode?

Quentin Christensen
 

Can you get / provide more information about what works better when running in Admin mode?  You really shouldn't run programs as administrator for the most part.  The only thing I'm aware of which would work better if NVDA was running as administrator is when running a portable copy of NVDA and accessing other programs which are running with administrator privileges, or secure Windows screens such as the UAC dialog. 

Is Xsplit running with admin privileges?

You can run a program as administrator by pressing the windows key, typing the name (NVDA for instance) pressing the applications key to bring up the context menu and choosing "Run as administrator"

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
Hello.  Running xsplit and I talked to one of the devs. They got better accessibility when running nvda in admin mode. How do I run nvda as an administrator again? I forgot.

Using windows 10 over here and the latest snap.





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www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: loss of speech with latest Next version

Gene
 

When programs crash, if they show in the system tray, the crash will usually leave the item in the system tray but it no longer functions.  You have to use the new item for it in the system tray placed there when the program runs again. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2017 7:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next version

I reported earlier that I have lost speech several times with the latest
Next version of NVDA on a Win 10 system.  When this happens I use the
shortcut key to start NVDA and I regain speech.  After having done that
I now have two instances of NVDA showing in the system tray.  Never had
this happen before this latest Next version.





Re: Braille tethering

George Zaynoun
 

I modified the subject as well and understand what you mean.

The thing is that I want to use the thumb keys not spacebar with input keys, moreover I want to navigate independently from speech, as it is now setup once you navigate with Braille you navigate consequently with speech and I don't enjoy it. I also want Braille display keys not interrupt speech, thanks.
Original message:

George,
I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.
According to our notes in the User Guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112 <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc112>
You should be able to use the display to navigate. For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard. space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.
Is that what you were after? (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)
You can also reassign commands. If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER. The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button. Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture. This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing. If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.

Regards
Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

Hi Quentin!
Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.
I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.
I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:

Hi George,


Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.


Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.


Kind regards


Quentin.


On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net> <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>>> wrote:


Hello!


This is my first message to this list.


What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.


I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.


Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.


Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.


Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.


--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011> <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>


--


Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>>


Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/>>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess> <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>>
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>
Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess
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Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11


running nvda in admin mode?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Hello. Running xsplit and I talked to one of the devs. They got better accessibility when running nvda in admin mode. How do I run nvda as an administrator again? I forgot.

Using windows 10 over here and the latest snap.


loss of speech with latest Next version

Don H
 

I reported earlier that I have lost speech several times with the latest Next version of NVDA on a Win 10 system. When this happens I use the shortcut key to start NVDA and I regain speech. After having done that I now have two instances of NVDA showing in the system tray. Never had this happen before this latest Next version.


Braille tethering, was: Re: [nvda] Future of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

George,

I edited the subject to better fit what we are talking about.


You should be able to use the display to navigate.  For instance, space+dot4+dot6 works the same as pressing TAB on the keyboard.  space+dot6 works like pressing the right arrow.

Is that what you were after?  (The full list of commands is at that link, I just grabbed two at random)

You can also reassign commands.  If you press NVDA+N then P for preferences, then up arrow once to "Input gestures" and press ENTER.  The gestures are in a tree view. When you find the one you want to add to, select it and activate the "add" button.  Then press the keys in your braille display you want to activate that gesture.  This doesn't override the original gesture but adds a second (or third) gesture that will do the same thing.  If you want to remove a gesture, select it and activate the remove button.


Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 AM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin!

Let me give you a living example that clarifies what I meant in a better way:
If I am on the desktop using say my Brailliant BI32 regardless of how and what Braille is tethered to the keys are locked to where I am, the display shows only the icon I have highlighted. I am not thinking just when we are on the web I want the Braille display to navigate freely regardless of where we are, I have Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with type cover i.e laptop keyboard layout.

I wish my requests get to the devs via this list, am not expert of this Gethub thing and I don't like the Braille display keys to interrupt speech.

I wish if anybody is against what I take up in Braille let's find a toggle for these things, thanks.
Original message:
Hi George,

Indeed as Andre has said, there are a number of improvements to Braille coming soon in 2017.3 (the Release candidate is due out in a couple of weeks - the final version a week or so after that unless any big bugs are found). Not addressing all your concerns, but things like input and the web particularly have big advances.

Re accessing all the screen. It depends on what you want, but as a starting point, are you familiar with Object navigation and the review cursor? They let you explore parts of the screen you can't get to with regular navigation keys. By default, the Braille display is tethered to the focus, but NVDA+control+t changes it to be tethered to the review cursor. As Andre mentioned, it's worth exploring the Braille settings, and the associated section in the User Guide as they have many things, some of which may assist with what you are after. Also the section of the User Guide for your particular model or brand.
Finally, if you would like some more familiarity with the review cursor and object navgiation, I'd highly recommend the Basic Training for NVDA module which covers that in some depth - http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> From the page on the shop for the module, you can also read the section on the review cursor as a free sample, so feel free to have a browse of that.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:37 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@... <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:


Hello!

This is my first message to this list.

What most concerns me now is the Braille support in this free screen reader.

I want the navigation keys on any Braille display to function on the whole screen and not just locked to the current line. If possible make Braille navigation support function like in Dolphin screen reader or Freedom Scientific's JAWS.

Braille input according to selecting a Braille table should be addressed, so say I select Swedish for output there should also be Swedish input same for Arabic, input and output can be separate or combined together with a checkbox.

Likewise changing synthesizer language should in my opinion affect Braille table through a checkbox, however I like using the profile method now.

Espeak sounds horrible in Arabic, would be nice to devote great development work to it, more concerns later.

--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>





--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/>

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess



--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE    SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: creating desktop shortcut for mail app

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi David


the key command to bring up the run dialogue is the windows key + letter R


I just did what it said in the email for the knfb reader and now there is a shortcut on the desk top. I was unaware of this command.


could i put the directions on the windows 10 page up on accessibilitycentral.net? to share with the community.


Gene nz



On 09/08/2017 12:05, David Moore wrote:

Here is how you create Short Cuts for win10 apps on your Desktop!

Press:

CTR+R

To open the run dialog.

Type:

Shell:appsfolder

In a couple of seconds, all of your win10 apps will be in a virticle list.

Press M for Mail, P for people and so on.

When you are on that app, Mail app,

Press:

Applications key or Shift+F10.

Up arrow once to create shortcut and press enter.

You will hear:

A shortcut cannot be created here, do you want to create it on the desktop instead?

Press enter, and the short cut for the Mail app will be right on your desktop.

I will paste an entire tutorial for using the Mail app later tonight for all of you to read.

It is very comprehensive, and can do so much.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: The Wolf
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 6:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] creating desktop shortcut for mail app

 

is your copy the ribbons or the non ribbons

 

On 8/8/2017 3:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 02:01 pm, Ame wrote:

Does anybody happen to know of a way to create a desktop shortcut? 

Yep.  See:  


I don't know where you can get an older copy of Windows Live Mail as I don't keep anything but the most recent, even after they've gone out of support.  If you're interested in Windows Live Mail 2012, I downloaded the installer for it about 2 weeks before Microsoft pulled it from their site an you can download it from my Google Drive by activating this link
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Re: loss of speech with latest Next build

John Hedges
 

I have as well. It is even more noticeable when switching/closing between Edge and Mail, or during an error in NVDA that may be related to DOM access. NVDA appears to hang and then reset a while later.

 

When the speech stops, I just wait some 30 second for it to return to normal.

 

John

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] loss of speech with latest Next build

 

Running the latest Next build of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine.  With
this bulid of NVDA I have experienced for the first time with NVDA at
least three losses of speech for what seems to be a random cause.






loss of speech with latest Next build

Don H
 

Running the latest Next build of NVDA on a Win 10 64 bit machine. With this bulid of NVDA I have experienced for the first time with NVDA at least three losses of speech for what seems to be a random cause.