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view of numbers of messages in inbox of outlook2010

Moti Azrad
 

Dear all,

 

I use Outlook2010 and with Jaws 18 – I can see with my Braille display in the inbox for example the number 10 for example that tells me that I have 10 new unread messages in that inbox.

With NVDA, I don't have it.

Is there any NVDA addon that I can install and may get this important feature, for me?

 

A lot of thanks for your answers and help.

 

Moti

 

 

Moti Azrad

 

Musician & Piano-Tuner

motia@...

azrad_moty@...

motiaz@...

ISRAEL

 


Community add-on updates service and translations synchronization: back online, emergency lifted

 

Hi all,

 

As of earlier this evening, our community add-ons update service and translations synchronization mechanisms are back online. I needed to let it run through some tests to make sure it is working, and as of this moment, the facilities are functioning.

 

A word of caution to Bitbucket/nvdaaddonteam people: under any circumstances, repositories listed under that team account (especially addonFiles repository) should NEVER be deleted by anyone other than administrators. In case of repository removal, it’ll be done if this is necessary and after going through a careful review process.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: changing the reading order in thunder bird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,


I can never get this method of changing order of columns to work. I am also seeing that you can remove columns one by one. I haven't had the nerve to try this yet, but I wonder if you were to remove all the columns and then add them one by one, would they come in the order you added them?

On 8/11/2017 12:49 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
hi Bobby


check out the section on my website that says about moving columns
adding them or removing them etc on the following page at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

You can jump down by headings quickly to that section called they are to
show and hide columns and drag and drop.


hope this helps.


it can be done but you need to do a little object navigation to do it.


Gene nz



On 10/08/2017 16:23, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I was wondering how to make thunder bird say unread first instead
of reading the who it's from. How do I change the statice



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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Neither would I keep the email list it’s great.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ian Blackburn
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

 

I wouldn't be in favour of switching to the forum either

They might be accessible ones but the ones I've seen on the Internet are extremely difficult to navigate

Regards Ian

Sent from my iPhone


On 11 Aug 2017, at 9:35 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

Absolutely not! I say stay with Groups.IO!

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Andy

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:40 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

 

is there a problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I know that list
traffic is heavy, but I never know when a message will be just the gem I'm
needing at the time.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum


> Hi,
>
>
> Okay, I'm not trying to kick the hornet's nest, but would it be more
> beneficial to switch from groups.io to a web forum? PunBB, for example, is
> very accessible and configurable, and it can be set up to email users when
> they get a message from a forum topic that a user has subscribed to.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Noah
>
>
>
>



Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

 

I had the same issue it tried to download dev on 2 machines but I was watching it and switched the channels back to what they should have been the next updates so far have not changed the channel including the last one.

I assumed that was a bug.

I think I reported this either on here or the skype group.

On 11/08/2017 1:48 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wintenApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or search
suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)







.


Re: changing the reading order in thunder bird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Bobby


check out the section on my website that says about moving columns
adding them or removing them etc on the following page at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

You can jump down by headings quickly to that section called they are to
show and hide columns and drag and drop.


hope this helps.


it can be done but you need to do a little object navigation to do it.


Gene nz

On 10/08/2017 16:23, Bobby Vinton wrote:
Hay I was wondering how to make thunder bird say unread first instead
of reading the who it's from. How do I change the statice




Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Marshall handheld Flax
 

I would have to say that quite honestly: no, it is not at all easy to start from scratch and learn enough programming to begin to contribute to NVDA in any significant way. 

Programming, even simple systems, is actually hard in the sense that a program that operates correctly 99% of the time can be wrong thousands of times a second.  A program that is correct 99.9999% of the time is still likely a failure, when it does thousands or millions of decisions a second.

Programming is hard because you have to develop intuition about how to keep complex things as simple as possible.

Programming is hard because every large program -- especially ones developed by multiple peoples -- resembles a large city with many different neighborhoods, thoroughfares, plazas, and dead ends -- and you need to learn them all before you can with any modesty propose new construction.

Programming is hard because you need to learn how to think clearly, and how to have insight into what your program might do wrong -- and so how to test and verify your program.

Programming is hard because you need to learn the idioms and taboos of each language you use to code.

Programming is hard because complexity grows exponentially.  

Programming is hard because if you don't know what "exponentially" means, you might end up with a program that's technically correct, but useless in practice.

Programming is hard because you need to learn to work in groups, and to not take shortcuts when honest work is required.

This is not to say that small changes -- can't be make without understanding.  But if you wish to actually add to NVDA, you should plan on spending much time reading (by which I mean studying) the existing code to see how it is structured and what design principles it relies upon.

So check the source code out of the repository and start reading.  Teach yourself python 3.  Read the technical documentation.  Pick your favorite NVDA command and investigate how it is implemented.  And if you're not willing to do the above, then that's your answer.

Marshall



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:09 AM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi joseph and Damien.
thanks so much for your great explanation about programming for nvda.
i also wish to help improving nvda and contribute code to it.
i have no experience in programming except very very limited html
coding (just putting heading, link and title in the html file).
can i learn python easily and help you for great nvda screen reader?
is it easy for me to learn python according to my current position
which i mentioned?
thanks for your help and God bless you!

On 8/11/17, Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I might add to Joseph and say that working with NVDA and publishing it
> doesn’t just require a knowledge of programming in Python, but also about
> various software engineering concepts as well.
>
> Software engineering is a wide spectrum of skills that include the essential
> steps of software design and development, but also cover wider aspects such
> as maintenance, testing and release.
> Of course the simplest form of this is what many single small-time
> developers do: Have an idea, program it, test it on one machine, upload,
> write your web page, and it’s released. This is how I have worked for the
> past 14 years.
> The change started last year, when I collaborated with someone on a game –
> my first introduction to source code management – versioning, bug tracking
> with tickets, wiki systems and all that good stuff. We used a system called
> Fossil, which is a self-hosting system which even has its own in-built
> server, wiki and ticket system.
> Working with NVDA addons, I then had to learn the art of yet another
> versioning system, which was different from its host platform, I.E. Git and
> GitHub. While Git does the actual versioning, GitHub hosts the Git data and
> also provides the means for the bug tracker, ticket and release systems,
> while also providing a code moderation system and social media features.
>
> NVDA itself also makes use of several other engineering components that
> provide automated building and testing, so if you want to be a major
> contributor I’m guessing those will also need to be learned. SCons, a Python
> code autobuilder, is definitely a plus.
>
> It does sound amazingly complicated, and even I don’t understand the
> build/test process, which I believe is done through AppVeyor, but I have
> often thought my mind would positively explode with all the new things I had
> to learn just to slowly wriggle through the basics. It’s been a long haul,
> taking me over four years to be able to learn enough to write and publish my
> first addon.
> Now that I’ve done that though, that’s only given me the determination to
> launch the ship I have built. I myself have had an in-depth look at the
> source code so that, hopefully, I too can contribute directly to the NVDA
> code.
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
> From: Joseph Lee
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
>
> Hello,
>
> I’d say we should discuss some basics here for the benefit of many on this
> forum who wants to contribute code to NVDA.
>
> First things first: before people learn the intricacies of NVDA source code,
> some knowledge of Python is essential. If Stephanie came onboard last year,
> I could have told her to learn Python 2; however, times have changed, and I
> recommend people who are newbies to learn Python 3. For most tasks, Python 2
> and 3 will work well, but there are some internal things that require you to
> become familiar with Python 2 for a little while before NV Access declares
> transition to Python 3.
>
> Most of us (including I) started out with writing NVDA add-ons. Some of the
> add-ons out there, including Enhanced Touch Gestures, Clock, and many others
> were written by developers prior to their exposure to internals of NVDA
> source code. Learning to write NVDA add-ons helps some people in practicing
> Python skills and getting to use high-level functions offered by NVDA.
>
> It is indeed possible to modify NVDA source code with zero to limited
> knowledge of Python. But when it comes to actually digging into code and
> providing contributions, this quickly becomes an overwhelming task because
> not only a new programming language must be learned, but also one needs to
> know how certain things in NVDA works behind the scenes (via source code).
> This is one of the reasons why I always advise scripters of other screen
> readers to take some time off and learn Python before working on seriously
> transforming their scripts to NVDA add-ons.
>
> In terms of what you need to know before seriously working on NVDA code
> contributions:
>
>   a.. Knowledge of Python is recommended.
>   b.. You need to know what a variable is, how to call and define functions,
> and know the differences between a for loop and a while loop.
>   c.. You need to learn how to think carefully before writing a conditional
> (if/elif/else) statement.
>   d.. You should be well-versed in organizing your functions, variables,
> conditional statements, loops and what not into distinct modules.
>   e.. You need to have a beginner’s grasp of what a class is, difference
> between class and object, and the big picture behind class inheritance.
>   f.. You need to be able to explain when to use lists and dictionaries,
> differences between a list and a tuple, how to read data stored in
> dictionaries, and how to add or remove items from containers.
> Things you won’t learn right away but will be fruitful later:
>
>   a.. Research solutions on your own or work with others.
>   b.. Learn to read API documentation for various modules.
>   c.. Learn to debug your solution.
>   d.. Design a small feature and its benefits and drawbacks completely from
> scratch, and optionally (but I highly recommend it), code it and present it
> to the world.
>   e.. Design a large feature that requires collaboration with others, or if
> possible, learn to work with people on parts of a feature or test one.
>   f.. Be able to explain a feature to users, either something you wrote or
> someone else has written.
> The items listed above are some of the activities a typical large software
> engineering team (such as NVDA developers) go through, especially for an
> international community like ours. I personally place higher emphasis on
> design and explanations. In case of feature explanations, this is the reason
> why I always ask add-on writers to write up a short readme explaining how to
> use their add-ons.
>
> One of the things I did, which not only benefited the community but also
> something I enjoyed doing (and wanted to do for a while), is writing add-on
> internals. Basically, I would sit down in my “lab” (in front of my computers
> at home), sip through add-on source codes and think about the overall design
> of the add-on, its purpose, and what authors would have felt when they wrote
> add-ons. These notes, along with handy references were collected into an
> article that varies in length from an essay (four or five pages) to a thesis
> that’s suitable for graduate schools sort of (more than 70 pages long)
> depending on my overall familiarity with the add-on and if certain features
> need deeper exploration and explanation. This opportunity also gave me a
> chance to study the NVDA screen reader source more deeply, which became the
> basis for an idea I have about organizing a six month long course on diving
> into NVDA source code (in the book form, it’ll span at least a hundred
> pages, possibly more); I say “six months” due to vast amount of knowledge
> the NVDA source code contains, as well as give background info and explain
> the rationale behind some design choices made, along with some breaks in
> between.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> swwatts3@...
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
>
>
>
> Hi Joseph and Tony,
>
> I apologize for the misleading post earlier.  I have no experience with
> Python and very limited coding experience with HTML.
>
> By way of background, I have used NVDA intermitently over the past few years
> and have grown to like the program.  I am impressed by the NVDA community
> and those who continue to dedicate time and effort to making it a viable
> screen reader alternative for use in business and education settings.
> Because I have always been interested in learning to code, I thought this
> would be a perfect way to combine my desire to learn with a worthwhile
> endeavor like NVDA.
>
> Let me know if you would like to continue this discussion off-line.
> Otherwise, I am happy to answer questions here.
>
> Kind regards,
> Stephanie
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

hi joseph and Damien.
thanks so much for your great explanation about programming for nvda.
i also wish to help improving nvda and contribute code to it.
i have no experience in programming except very very limited html
coding (just putting heading, link and title in the html file).
can i learn python easily and help you for great nvda screen reader?
is it easy for me to learn python according to my current position
which i mentioned?
thanks for your help and God bless you!

On 8/11/17, Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...> wrote:
Hi,
I might add to Joseph and say that working with NVDA and publishing it
doesn’t just require a knowledge of programming in Python, but also about
various software engineering concepts as well.

Software engineering is a wide spectrum of skills that include the essential
steps of software design and development, but also cover wider aspects such
as maintenance, testing and release.
Of course the simplest form of this is what many single small-time
developers do: Have an idea, program it, test it on one machine, upload,
write your web page, and it’s released. This is how I have worked for the
past 14 years.
The change started last year, when I collaborated with someone on a game –
my first introduction to source code management – versioning, bug tracking
with tickets, wiki systems and all that good stuff. We used a system called
Fossil, which is a self-hosting system which even has its own in-built
server, wiki and ticket system.
Working with NVDA addons, I then had to learn the art of yet another
versioning system, which was different from its host platform, I.E. Git and
GitHub. While Git does the actual versioning, GitHub hosts the Git data and
also provides the means for the bug tracker, ticket and release systems,
while also providing a code moderation system and social media features.

NVDA itself also makes use of several other engineering components that
provide automated building and testing, so if you want to be a major
contributor I’m guessing those will also need to be learned. SCons, a Python
code autobuilder, is definitely a plus.

It does sound amazingly complicated, and even I don’t understand the
build/test process, which I believe is done through AppVeyor, but I have
often thought my mind would positively explode with all the new things I had
to learn just to slowly wriggle through the basics. It’s been a long haul,
taking me over four years to be able to learn enough to write and publish my
first addon.
Now that I’ve done that though, that’s only given me the determination to
launch the ship I have built. I myself have had an in-depth look at the
source code so that, hopefully, I too can contribute directly to the NVDA
code.
Cheers.
Damien.


From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

I’d say we should discuss some basics here for the benefit of many on this
forum who wants to contribute code to NVDA.

First things first: before people learn the intricacies of NVDA source code,
some knowledge of Python is essential. If Stephanie came onboard last year,
I could have told her to learn Python 2; however, times have changed, and I
recommend people who are newbies to learn Python 3. For most tasks, Python 2
and 3 will work well, but there are some internal things that require you to
become familiar with Python 2 for a little while before NV Access declares
transition to Python 3.

Most of us (including I) started out with writing NVDA add-ons. Some of the
add-ons out there, including Enhanced Touch Gestures, Clock, and many others
were written by developers prior to their exposure to internals of NVDA
source code. Learning to write NVDA add-ons helps some people in practicing
Python skills and getting to use high-level functions offered by NVDA.

It is indeed possible to modify NVDA source code with zero to limited
knowledge of Python. But when it comes to actually digging into code and
providing contributions, this quickly becomes an overwhelming task because
not only a new programming language must be learned, but also one needs to
know how certain things in NVDA works behind the scenes (via source code).
This is one of the reasons why I always advise scripters of other screen
readers to take some time off and learn Python before working on seriously
transforming their scripts to NVDA add-ons.

In terms of what you need to know before seriously working on NVDA code
contributions:

a.. Knowledge of Python is recommended.
b.. You need to know what a variable is, how to call and define functions,
and know the differences between a for loop and a while loop.
c.. You need to learn how to think carefully before writing a conditional
(if/elif/else) statement.
d.. You should be well-versed in organizing your functions, variables,
conditional statements, loops and what not into distinct modules.
e.. You need to have a beginner’s grasp of what a class is, difference
between class and object, and the big picture behind class inheritance.
f.. You need to be able to explain when to use lists and dictionaries,
differences between a list and a tuple, how to read data stored in
dictionaries, and how to add or remove items from containers.
Things you won’t learn right away but will be fruitful later:

a.. Research solutions on your own or work with others.
b.. Learn to read API documentation for various modules.
c.. Learn to debug your solution.
d.. Design a small feature and its benefits and drawbacks completely from
scratch, and optionally (but I highly recommend it), code it and present it
to the world.
e.. Design a large feature that requires collaboration with others, or if
possible, learn to work with people on parts of a feature or test one.
f.. Be able to explain a feature to users, either something you wrote or
someone else has written.
The items listed above are some of the activities a typical large software
engineering team (such as NVDA developers) go through, especially for an
international community like ours. I personally place higher emphasis on
design and explanations. In case of feature explanations, this is the reason
why I always ask add-on writers to write up a short readme explaining how to
use their add-ons.

One of the things I did, which not only benefited the community but also
something I enjoyed doing (and wanted to do for a while), is writing add-on
internals. Basically, I would sit down in my “lab” (in front of my computers
at home), sip through add-on source codes and think about the overall design
of the add-on, its purpose, and what authors would have felt when they wrote
add-ons. These notes, along with handy references were collected into an
article that varies in length from an essay (four or five pages) to a thesis
that’s suitable for graduate schools sort of (more than 70 pages long)
depending on my overall familiarity with the add-on and if certain features
need deeper exploration and explanation. This opportunity also gave me a
chance to study the NVDA screen reader source more deeply, which became the
basis for an idea I have about organizing a six month long course on diving
into NVDA source code (in the book form, it’ll span at least a hundred
pages, possibly more); I say “six months” due to vast amount of knowledge
the NVDA source code contains, as well as give background info and explain
the rationale behind some design choices made, along with some breaks in
between.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
swwatts3@...
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hi Joseph and Tony,

I apologize for the misleading post earlier. I have no experience with
Python and very limited coding experience with HTML.

By way of background, I have used NVDA intermitently over the past few years
and have grown to like the program. I am impressed by the NVDA community
and those who continue to dedicate time and effort to making it a viable
screen reader alternative for use in business and education settings.
Because I have always been interested in learning to code, I thought this
would be a perfect way to combine my desire to learn with a worthwhile
endeavor like NVDA.

Let me know if you would like to continue this discussion off-line.
Otherwise, I am happy to answer questions here.

Kind regards,
Stephanie


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

 

Hi,
Apparently, yes, thus the change announced a few minutes ago to prevent this from happening again.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

hi joseph


I just noticed just a minute ago there was a update for the dev version.
I downloaded only the stable version and it was not until now it said there was a update but this was for the dev version. I did not set it to that i thought it wouldive been set for the stable version.


I just went in and changed the channel so it points towards the stable version.


maybe you put the dev version in the stable place up there?


Gene nz



On 11/08/2017 14:35, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, now go to addons.nvda-project.org, look for Windows 10 App Essentials, then download and install the stable version.
After talking to another add-on author on Skype, I will make two significant changes next week (there is a third, but that only concerns those who uses Git):
1. Hopefully, NV Access will release NVDA 2017.3 release candidate next week. Within 24 hours after the RC hits the air, I will release Windows 10 App Essentials 17.08.2, which will be the final stable version that'll run on NVDA versions earlier than 2017.3. Then I will wait until at least a week passes after the release of 2017.3 final, at which point I will release the next stable add-on version that WILL require NVDA 2017.3 - no exceptions, no end of life extensions, no going back due to significant changes to the add-on.
2. As part of WinTenApps 17.08.2, you won't get a free pass when changing update channels anymore. From that day forward, when you switch to development update channel, you WILL NEED to say "yes" before you can change channels. This is so that you can think about possible consequences of using bleeding-edge code before you commit yourself to using it.
3. For those using Git, a separate branch will be created just for releases. Only the release manager (currently I) will be allowed to push commits to it. The main reason for doing this is to avoid channel mix-ups in code caused by frequent merges and fast forwards, which is the root cause of this saga. Also, any pull requests against the release branch will be ignored, and I will never accept pull requests that weakens item 2 above (if you do tell me via a pull request that you wish to remove the update channel warning dialog, I will say, "out of scope").
Items 2 and 3 should result in more transparency and better update experience. Thanks, and again, my sincere apologies over this saga.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I have nvda version 2017.2 and windows 10 esentials version 20170810dev.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 10:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my
preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wint
e
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)













Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi joseph


I just noticed just a minute ago there was a update for the dev version.
I downloaded only the stable version and it was not until now it said
there was a update but this was for the dev version. I did not set it to
that i thought it wouldive been set for the stable version.


I just went in and changed the channel so it points towards the stable
version.


maybe you put the dev version in the stable place up there?


Gene nz

On 11/08/2017 14:35, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, now go to addons.nvda-project.org, look for Windows 10 App Essentials, then download and install the stable version.
After talking to another add-on author on Skype, I will make two significant changes next week (there is a third, but that only concerns those who uses Git):
1. Hopefully, NV Access will release NVDA 2017.3 release candidate next week. Within 24 hours after the RC hits the air, I will release Windows 10 App Essentials 17.08.2, which will be the final stable version that'll run on NVDA versions earlier than 2017.3. Then I will wait until at least a week passes after the release of 2017.3 final, at which point I will release the next stable add-on version that WILL require NVDA 2017.3 - no exceptions, no end of life extensions, no going back due to significant changes to the add-on.
2. As part of WinTenApps 17.08.2, you won't get a free pass when changing update channels anymore. From that day forward, when you switch to development update channel, you WILL NEED to say "yes" before you can change channels. This is so that you can think about possible consequences of using bleeding-edge code before you commit yourself to using it.
3. For those using Git, a separate branch will be created just for releases. Only the release manager (currently I) will be allowed to push commits to it. The main reason for doing this is to avoid channel mix-ups in code caused by frequent merges and fast forwards, which is the root cause of this saga. Also, any pull requests against the release branch will be ignored, and I will never accept pull requests that weakens item 2 above (if you do tell me via a pull request that you wish to remove the update channel warning dialog, I will say, "out of scope").
Items 2 and 3 should result in more transparency and better update experience. Thanks, and again, my sincere apologies over this saga.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I have nvda version 2017.2 and windows 10 esentials version 20170810dev.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 10:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my
preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wint
e
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)













Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi,
I might add to Joseph and say that working with NVDA and publishing it doesn’t just require a knowledge of programming in Python, but also about various software engineering concepts as well.
 
Software engineering is a wide spectrum of skills that include the essential steps of software design and development, but also cover wider aspects such as maintenance, testing and release.
Of course the simplest form of this is what many single small-time developers do: Have an idea, program it, test it on one machine, upload, write your web page, and it’s released. This is how I have worked for the past 14 years.
The change started last year, when I collaborated with someone on a game – my first introduction to source code management – versioning, bug tracking with tickets, wiki systems and all that good stuff. We used a system called Fossil, which is a self-hosting system which even has its own in-built server, wiki and ticket system.
Working with NVDA addons, I then had to learn the art of yet another versioning system, which was different from its host platform, I.E. Git and GitHub. While Git does the actual versioning, GitHub hosts the Git data and also provides the means for the bug tracker, ticket and release systems, while also providing a code moderation system and social media features.
 
NVDA itself also makes use of several other engineering components that provide automated building and testing, so if you want to be a major contributor I’m guessing those will also need to be learned. SCons, a Python code autobuilder, is definitely a plus.
 
It does sound amazingly complicated, and even I don’t understand the build/test process, which I believe is done through AppVeyor, but I have often thought my mind would positively explode with all the new things I had to learn just to slowly wriggle through the basics. It’s been a long haul, taking me over four years to be able to learn enough to write and publish my first addon.
Now that I’ve done that though, that’s only given me the determination to launch the ship I have built. I myself have had an in-depth look at the source code so that, hopefully, I too can contribute directly to the NVDA code.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
 

Hello,

I’d say we should discuss some basics here for the benefit of many on this forum who wants to contribute code to NVDA.

First things first: before people learn the intricacies of NVDA source code, some knowledge of Python is essential. If Stephanie came onboard last year, I could have told her to learn Python 2; however, times have changed, and I recommend people who are newbies to learn Python 3. For most tasks, Python 2 and 3 will work well, but there are some internal things that require you to become familiar with Python 2 for a little while before NV Access declares transition to Python 3.

Most of us (including I) started out with writing NVDA add-ons. Some of the add-ons out there, including Enhanced Touch Gestures, Clock, and many others were written by developers prior to their exposure to internals of NVDA source code. Learning to write NVDA add-ons helps some people in practicing Python skills and getting to use high-level functions offered by NVDA.

It is indeed possible to modify NVDA source code with zero to limited knowledge of Python. But when it comes to actually digging into code and providing contributions, this quickly becomes an overwhelming task because not only a new programming language must be learned, but also one needs to know how certain things in NVDA works behind the scenes (via source code). This is one of the reasons why I always advise scripters of other screen readers to take some time off and learn Python before working on seriously transforming their scripts to NVDA add-ons.

In terms of what you need to know before seriously working on NVDA code contributions:

  • Knowledge of Python is recommended.
  • You need to know what a variable is, how to call and define functions, and know the differences between a for loop and a while loop.
  • You need to learn how to think carefully before writing a conditional (if/elif/else) statement.
  • You should be well-versed in organizing your functions, variables, conditional statements, loops and what not into distinct modules.
  • You need to have a beginner’s grasp of what a class is, difference between class and object, and the big picture behind class inheritance.
  • You need to be able to explain when to use lists and dictionaries, differences between a list and a tuple, how to read data stored in dictionaries, and how to add or remove items from containers.

Things you won’t learn right away but will be fruitful later:

  • Research solutions on your own or work with others.
  • Learn to read API documentation for various modules.
  • Learn to debug your solution.
  • Design a small feature and its benefits and drawbacks completely from scratch, and optionally (but I highly recommend it), code it and present it to the world.
  • Design a large feature that requires collaboration with others, or if possible, learn to work with people on parts of a feature or test one.
  • Be able to explain a feature to users, either something you wrote or someone else has written.

The items listed above are some of the activities a typical large software engineering team (such as NVDA developers) go through, especially for an international community like ours. I personally place higher emphasis on design and explanations. In case of feature explanations, this is the reason why I always ask add-on writers to write up a short readme explaining how to use their add-ons.

One of the things I did, which not only benefited the community but also something I enjoyed doing (and wanted to do for a while), is writing add-on internals. Basically, I would sit down in my “lab” (in front of my computers at home), sip through add-on source codes and think about the overall design of the add-on, its purpose, and what authors would have felt when they wrote add-ons. These notes, along with handy references were collected into an article that varies in length from an essay (four or five pages) to a thesis that’s suitable for graduate schools sort of (more than 70 pages long) depending on my overall familiarity with the add-on and if certain features need deeper exploration and explanation. This opportunity also gave me a chance to study the NVDA screen reader source more deeply, which became the basis for an idea I have about organizing a six month long course on diving into NVDA source code (in the book form, it’ll span at least a hundred pages, possibly more); I say “six months” due to vast amount of knowledge the NVDA source code contains, as well as give background info and explain the rationale behind some design choices made, along with some breaks in between.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of swwatts3@...
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hi Joseph and Tony,

I apologize for the misleading post earlier.  I have no experience with Python and very limited coding experience with HTML. 

By way of background, I have used NVDA intermitently over the past few years and have grown to like the program.  I am impressed by the NVDA community and those who continue to dedicate time and effort to making it a viable screen reader alternative for use in business and education settings.  Because I have always been interested in learning to code, I thought this would be a perfect way to combine my desire to learn with a worthwhile endeavor like NVDA.

Let me know if you would like to continue this discussion off-line.  Otherwise, I am happy to answer questions here.

Kind regards,
Stephanie


Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

I just down loaded the stable version and that seems to be fixt so I guess that there are times when you have to go the site instead of just updating from theadd on in the preferences menu.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/10/2017 10:35 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, now go to addons.nvda-project.org, look for Windows 10 App Essentials, then download and install the stable version.
After talking to another add-on author on Skype, I will make two significant changes next week (there is a third, but that only concerns those who uses Git):
1. Hopefully, NV Access will release NVDA 2017.3 release candidate next week. Within 24 hours after the RC hits the air, I will release Windows 10 App Essentials 17.08.2, which will be the final stable version that'll run on NVDA versions earlier than 2017.3. Then I will wait until at least a week passes after the release of 2017.3 final, at which point I will release the next stable add-on version that WILL require NVDA 2017.3 - no exceptions, no end of life extensions, no going back due to significant changes to the add-on.
2. As part of WinTenApps 17.08.2, you won't get a free pass when changing update channels anymore. From that day forward, when you switch to development update channel, you WILL NEED to say "yes" before you can change channels. This is so that you can think about possible consequences of using bleeding-edge code before you commit yourself to using it.
3. For those using Git, a separate branch will be created just for releases. Only the release manager (currently I) will be allowed to push commits to it. The main reason for doing this is to avoid channel mix-ups in code caused by frequent merges and fast forwards, which is the root cause of this saga. Also, any pull requests against the release branch will be ignored, and I will never accept pull requests that weakens item 2 above (if you do tell me via a pull request that you wish to remove the update channel warning dialog, I will say, "out of scope").
Items 2 and 3 should result in more transparency and better update experience. Thanks, and again, my sincere apologies over this saga.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I have nvda version 2017.2 and windows 10 esentials version 20170810dev.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 10:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my
preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wint
e
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)












Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Ian Blackburn
 

I wouldn't be in favour of switching to the forum either
They might be accessible ones but the ones I've seen on the Internet are extremely difficult to navigate
Regards Ian

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Aug 2017, at 9:35 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...> wrote:

Absolutely not! I say stay with Groups.IO!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

is there a problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I know that list
traffic is heavy, but I never know when a message will be just the gem I'm
needing at the time.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum


> Hi,
>
>
> Okay, I'm not trying to kick the hornet's nest, but would it be more
> beneficial to switch from groups.io to a web forum? PunBB, for example, is
> very accessible and configurable, and it can be set up to email users when
> they get a message from a forum topic that a user has subscribed to.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Noah
>
>
>
>




Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

 

Hi,
Okay, now go to addons.nvda-project.org, look for Windows 10 App Essentials, then download and install the stable version.
After talking to another add-on author on Skype, I will make two significant changes next week (there is a third, but that only concerns those who uses Git):
1. Hopefully, NV Access will release NVDA 2017.3 release candidate next week. Within 24 hours after the RC hits the air, I will release Windows 10 App Essentials 17.08.2, which will be the final stable version that'll run on NVDA versions earlier than 2017.3. Then I will wait until at least a week passes after the release of 2017.3 final, at which point I will release the next stable add-on version that WILL require NVDA 2017.3 - no exceptions, no end of life extensions, no going back due to significant changes to the add-on.
2. As part of WinTenApps 17.08.2, you won't get a free pass when changing update channels anymore. From that day forward, when you switch to development update channel, you WILL NEED to say "yes" before you can change channels. This is so that you can think about possible consequences of using bleeding-edge code before you commit yourself to using it.
3. For those using Git, a separate branch will be created just for releases. Only the release manager (currently I) will be allowed to push commits to it. The main reason for doing this is to avoid channel mix-ups in code caused by frequent merges and fast forwards, which is the root cause of this saga. Also, any pull requests against the release branch will be ignored, and I will never accept pull requests that weakens item 2 above (if you do tell me via a pull request that you wish to remove the update channel warning dialog, I will say, "out of scope").
Items 2 and 3 should result in more transparency and better update experience. Thanks, and again, my sincere apologies over this saga.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I have nvda version 2017.2 and windows 10 esentials version 20170810dev.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 10:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my
preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wint
e
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)











Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

I have nvda version 2017.2 and windows 10 esentials version 20170810dev.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/10/2017 10:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/winte
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)










Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

 

Hi,
What NVDA version are you running, and can you tell me the version of the add-on that's listed in add-ons manager?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/winte
nApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences
in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or
search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)








Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

I just tried to uninstall the latest update of windows 10 esentials and reinstall it it went to internet explorer and when I reinstalled it and there was an update after I installed the add on it took it out of my preferences again. If thats was the update you were talking about it did not fix the problem.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/10/2017 9:48 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wintenApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or search
suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)







Re: windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

 

Hi,
If the add-ons manager says the version of this add-on is some sort of dev, then you are not alone in this situation. I will be rolling out an emergency hotfix that will correct the root cause. This patch will go live in about half an hour from now, assuming that the larger issue of add-on repos is fixed. Until that happens, I advise folks to uninstall the dev version (unless you are using NVDA snapshots) and install this one instead:
https://github.com/josephsl/wintenApps/releases/download/17.08.1/wintenApps-17.08.1A.nvda-addon

Technical: the root cause for WinTenApps was wrong update channel for stable build users, which has been corrected.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 5:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider


On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev there are no sounds or search
suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)




Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Absolutely not! I say stay with Groups.IO!
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

is there a problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I know that list
traffic is heavy, but I never know when a message will be just the gem I'm
needing at the time.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 8:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum


> Hi,
>
>
> Okay, I'm not trying to kick the hornet's nest, but would it be more
> beneficial to switch from groups.io to a web forum? PunBB, for example, is
> very accessible and configurable, and it can be set up to email users when
> they get a message from a forum topic that a user has subscribed to.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Noah
>
>
>
>




windows 10 app esentials no longer in my preferences in my nvda after the latest update

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

This morning when I turned on my computer I heard a message that there was an update for windows app esentials when I down loaded it and I went in to my nvda preferences there was no windows 10 there like there use to be. When I went in to my add on list it is there so how do I get in to it now?

Brian Sackrider

On 8/10/2017 5:53 PM, Rob wrote:
Ever since upgrading to
Windows 10 App Essentials 20170809A-dev
there are no sounds or search suggestions given in the start menu. Previously, you heard a swooshing sound when you pressed the start button; and suggestions were given when you typed. This no longer occurs.
The windows version is
Microsoft Windows
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.540)