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closing Microsoft Edge

Don H
 

running latest NVDA and win 10 64 bit.

When I use alt F4 to close Edge I am not returned to the desktop until I either hit windows key d or windows key m.


Re: Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

 

Hi,

It is already possible to do this, especially made it more feasible with continued migration to GitHub where add-on authors are encouraged to store add-on release packages under their own accounts. The issue lies with the fact that add-on downloads are stored on Git repositories, which is something that raises concerns from time to time. There are better solutions, one of which involves a database.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

 

Dear NVDA comunity,

 

I think lots of us and also many institutions are donating to this project. Would it be not possible for NV Access to automatically backup addons packages and important files from time to time on a secured server so that the risk is better mitigated?

 

It is just an idea.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2017 22:33
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

I’m speaking as the director of NVDA Community Add-ons Coordination and Support Center (https://github.com/nvdaaddons). I’d like to give you an update on add-on package download issue and steps taken to prevent a repeat of what happened yesterday:

 

Problem: Yesterday at around 1:38 PM Pacific time (20:38 UTC), a repository deletion event was recorded on a repository used to host add-on packages for download by the community. Upon further investigations and after emailing the person who did this, it was found that the individual responsible for it have accidentally deleted the official repo hosted at Bitbucket while trying to remove forks of the repo. As a result, the individual’s commit rights were withdrawn.

 

After this, I restored the official repository from an older backup copy I had, then committed a change requested by an add-on author, which led to the current Git conflict problem. As a result, when you try to download add-on packages, you’ll find yourself looking at error 500 page.

 

Thus, the following steps were taken:

 

  • GitHub backup copy created: a backup of the repository responsible for hosting add-on packages is now live with a restriction that only I and one or two add-ons community leaders allowed to commit changes, and no-one apart from the director (I) will be able to delete this repository from now on.
  • The Bitbucket copy is live with a change: only I will be able to commit changes to it, and new contributors will be admitted if and only if they agree to never delete this repository under any circumstances unless permission is obtained.
  • Additional backups under development: in addition to GitHub version, Derek Riemer (author of Crash Hero, contributor to DictationBridge and others) has volunteered to keep the Bitbucket and GitHub versions in sync.
  • Add-on update requests suspended: I have asked add-on authors and translators to suspend requests for add-on updates and new translations until further notice.

 

I will send an update once a progress is made. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

Adriani Botez
 

Dear NVDA comunity,

 

I think lots of us and also many institutions are donating to this project. Would it be not possible for NV Access to automatically backup addons packages and important files from time to time on a secured server so that the risk is better mitigated?

 

It is just an idea.

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. August 2017 22:33
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

I’m speaking as the director of NVDA Community Add-ons Coordination and Support Center (https://github.com/nvdaaddons). I’d like to give you an update on add-on package download issue and steps taken to prevent a repeat of what happened yesterday:

 

Problem: Yesterday at around 1:38 PM Pacific time (20:38 UTC), a repository deletion event was recorded on a repository used to host add-on packages for download by the community. Upon further investigations and after emailing the person who did this, it was found that the individual responsible for it have accidentally deleted the official repo hosted at Bitbucket while trying to remove forks of the repo. As a result, the individual’s commit rights were withdrawn.

 

After this, I restored the official repository from an older backup copy I had, then committed a change requested by an add-on author, which led to the current Git conflict problem. As a result, when you try to download add-on packages, you’ll find yourself looking at error 500 page.

 

Thus, the following steps were taken:

 

  • GitHub backup copy created: a backup of the repository responsible for hosting add-on packages is now live with a restriction that only I and one or two add-ons community leaders allowed to commit changes, and no-one apart from the director (I) will be able to delete this repository from now on.
  • The Bitbucket copy is live with a change: only I will be able to commit changes to it, and new contributors will be admitted if and only if they agree to never delete this repository under any circumstances unless permission is obtained.
  • Additional backups under development: in addition to GitHub version, Derek Riemer (author of Crash Hero, contributor to DictationBridge and others) has volunteered to keep the Bitbucket and GitHub versions in sync.
  • Add-on update requests suspended: I have asked add-on authors and translators to suspend requests for add-on updates and new translations until further notice.

 

I will send an update once a progress is made. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Dan Beaver
 

The problem is that once I get multiple open tabs closed the last one does nothing.  It just won't go away.


Dan Beaver


On 8/11/2017 4:08 PM, Gene wrote:

Control w doesn't do the same thing as alt f4.  It does the same thing as control f4.  Both commands close the tab you are currently in.  If you have more than one tab opened, the other tab or tabs will remain opened.  If you don't have any other tabs opened, the program will close when you close the only opened tab.  This is also true of Windows.  If a program has more than one window opened, control w and control f4 closes the window you are in.  Other windows will remain opened.  If there is only one window opened in a program, these commands will cause the program to close when you close the only opened window.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Hi, does alt w work just as good as alt F 4?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: August-11-17 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi, Dan,

 

Try closing it with control W.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver



Add-on package downloads: an update, root cause found

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

I’m speaking as the director of NVDA Community Add-ons Coordination and Support Center (https://github.com/nvdaaddons). I’d like to give you an update on add-on package download issue and steps taken to prevent a repeat of what happened yesterday:

 

Problem: Yesterday at around 1:38 PM Pacific time (20:38 UTC), a repository deletion event was recorded on a repository used to host add-on packages for download by the community. Upon further investigations and after emailing the person who did this, it was found that the individual responsible for it have accidentally deleted the official repo hosted at Bitbucket while trying to remove forks of the repo. As a result, the individual’s commit rights were withdrawn.

 

After this, I restored the official repository from an older backup copy I had, then committed a change requested by an add-on author, which led to the current Git conflict problem. As a result, when you try to download add-on packages, you’ll find yourself looking at error 500 page.

 

Thus, the following steps were taken:

 

  • GitHub backup copy created: a backup of the repository responsible for hosting add-on packages is now live with a restriction that only I and one or two add-ons community leaders allowed to commit changes, and no-one apart from the director (I) will be able to delete this repository from now on.
  • The Bitbucket copy is live with a change: only I will be able to commit changes to it, and new contributors will be admitted if and only if they agree to never delete this repository under any circumstances unless permission is obtained.
  • Additional backups under development: in addition to GitHub version, Derek Riemer (author of Crash Hero, contributor to DictationBridge and others) has volunteered to keep the Bitbucket and GitHub versions in sync.
  • Add-on update requests suspended: I have asked add-on authors and translators to suspend requests for add-on updates and new translations until further notice.

 

I will send an update once a progress is made. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Gene
 

Control w doesn't do the same thing as alt f4.  It does the same thing as control f4.  Both commands close the tab you are currently in.  If you have more than one tab opened, the other tab or tabs will remain opened.  If you don't have any other tabs opened, the program will close when you close the only opened tab.  This is also true of Windows.  If a program has more than one window opened, control w and control f4 closes the window you are in.  Other windows will remain opened.  If there is only one window opened in a program, these commands will cause the program to close when you close the only opened window.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Hi, does alt w work just as good as alt F 4?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: August-11-17 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi, Dan,

 

Try closing it with control W.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Arlene
 

So does Ie. If you got more then one page in Ie. It will ask to close current or all. If you close all Ie shuts down. Does Edge work the same way?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Hedges
Sent: August-11-17 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Edge has one annoying behavior. If you press Alt+F4, instrad of Ctrl+F4 to close a Tab, then if multiple tabs are open… a dialog pops up that does not close with Escape. This dialog asks if you want to close all Tabs or Vancel, which his the default.

John

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Arlene
 

I meant control w. sorry

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: August-11-17 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi, Dan,

 

Try closing it with control W.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Arlene
 

Hi, does alt w work just as good as alt F 4?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: August-11-17 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi, Dan,

 

Try closing it with control W.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

ALT+F4 is a Windows command, not a screen reader command, and is applicable to any program window on which you currently have focus.

Hitting CTRL+W (at least if a screen reader is not on, and I suspect even if it is) closes the current tab that has focus in Edge, not Edge itself, unless there is but a single tab being displayed.

I suspect John Hedges is correct, but I generally do not turn that feature about asking if I want to close all open tabs off (as sometimes I don't and just suffered from acting hastily), but somehow I do not get asked that question by Edge.  I'm sure there would be a checkbox to not show that dialog again and, if you hit OK to cause all tabs to close, that choice should be remembered.
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Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

 

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 05:49 am, Chris wrote:
the major down side of an mailing list is that people are lazy, so instead of going the web interface and doing a basic search for their issue/problem they will just send off an email rather than making an effort to find a solution for their issue/problem
This is a never-ending issue, and will require a tectonic cultural attitude change.  I am actually appalled by how frequently people post questions that it took them longer to compose than it would to have done a web search using their favorite search engine and gotten answers by the hundreds, the first few of which usually contain the exact answer being sought.

This is not limited to mailing lists related to assistive technology, but I can definitely say the behavior is more prevalent on them.

The above being said, just yesterday on a computer related forum on which I am a moderator, I posted the following after someone posted a simple question, someone answered it with a link to a wikipedia page that the original questioner should have searched for first, and that questioner then had the unmitigated gall to come back with, "Thanks for nothing!":
-------------------

This is one of the reasons I love the site, Let Me Google That For You, and adding in the "internet explainer" option in cases like this.

 

If you are capable of asking a question on a public forum you should have at least had the decency to do a web search yourselffirst.
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Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Dan,

 

Try closing it with control W.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,

 

I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.

 

How do I do this with NVDA?

 

Dan Beaver


Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Chris
 

It also has an option to not show this dialog again

😃

 

 


Emergency announcement: add-on downloads are currently unavailable

 

Hi all,

 

Due to conflicted Git commits on NV Access server, we’re experiencing issues with add-on package downloads. I or someone will take a look at this and will try our best to restore download services.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Stephanie Watts
 

All,

Thank you for your comments and recommendations. Greatly appreciated.

Stephanie

On Aug 10, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Marshall handheld Flax <m.droid.flax@...> wrote:

I would have to say that quite honestly: no, it is not at all easy to start from scratch and learn enough programming to begin to contribute to NVDA in any significant way. 

Programming, even simple systems, is actually hard in the sense that a program that operates correctly 99% of the time can be wrong thousands of times a second.  A program that is correct 99.9999% of the time is still likely a failure, when it does thousands or millions of decisions a second.

Programming is hard because you have to develop intuition about how to keep complex things as simple as possible.

Programming is hard because every large program -- especially ones developed by multiple peoples -- resembles a large city with many different neighborhoods, thoroughfares, plazas, and dead ends -- and you need to learn them all before you can with any modesty propose new construction.

Programming is hard because you need to learn how to think clearly, and how to have insight into what your program might do wrong -- and so how to test and verify your program.

Programming is hard because you need to learn the idioms and taboos of each language you use to code.

Programming is hard because complexity grows exponentially.  

Programming is hard because if you don't know what "exponentially" means, you might end up with a program that's technically correct, but useless in practice.

Programming is hard because you need to learn to work in groups, and to not take shortcuts when honest work is required.

This is not to say that small changes -- can't be make without understanding.  But if you wish to actually add to NVDA, you should plan on spending much time reading (by which I mean studying) the existing code to see how it is structured and what design principles it relies upon.

So check the source code out of the repository and start reading.  Teach yourself python 3.  Read the technical documentation.  Pick your favorite NVDA command and investigate how it is implemented.  And if you're not willing to do the above, then that's your answer.

Marshall



On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:09 AM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi joseph and Damien.
thanks so much for your great explanation about programming for nvda.
i also wish to help improving nvda and contribute code to it.
i have no experience in programming except very very limited html
coding (just putting heading, link and title in the html file).
can i learn python easily and help you for great nvda screen reader?
is it easy for me to learn python according to my current position
which i mentioned?
thanks for your help and God bless you!

On 8/11/17, Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I might add to Joseph and say that working with NVDA and publishing it
> doesn’t just require a knowledge of programming in Python, but also about
> various software engineering concepts as well.
>
> Software engineering is a wide spectrum of skills that include the essential
> steps of software design and development, but also cover wider aspects such
> as maintenance, testing and release.
> Of course the simplest form of this is what many single small-time
> developers do: Have an idea, program it, test it on one machine, upload,
> write your web page, and it’s released. This is how I have worked for the
> past 14 years.
> The change started last year, when I collaborated with someone on a game –
> my first introduction to source code management – versioning, bug tracking
> with tickets, wiki systems and all that good stuff. We used a system called
> Fossil, which is a self-hosting system which even has its own in-built
> server, wiki and ticket system.
> Working with NVDA addons, I then had to learn the art of yet another
> versioning system, which was different from its host platform, I.E. Git and
> GitHub. While Git does the actual versioning, GitHub hosts the Git data and
> also provides the means for the bug tracker, ticket and release systems,
> while also providing a code moderation system and social media features.
>
> NVDA itself also makes use of several other engineering components that
> provide automated building and testing, so if you want to be a major
> contributor I’m guessing those will also need to be learned. SCons, a Python
> code autobuilder, is definitely a plus.
>
> It does sound amazingly complicated, and even I don’t understand the
> build/test process, which I believe is done through AppVeyor, but I have
> often thought my mind would positively explode with all the new things I had
> to learn just to slowly wriggle through the basics. It’s been a long haul,
> taking me over four years to be able to learn enough to write and publish my
> first addon.
> Now that I’ve done that though, that’s only given me the determination to
> launch the ship I have built. I myself have had an in-depth look at the
> source code so that, hopefully, I too can contribute directly to the NVDA
> code.
> Cheers.
> Damien.
>
>
> From: Joseph Lee
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 1:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
>
> Hello,
>
> I’d say we should discuss some basics here for the benefit of many on this
> forum who wants to contribute code to NVDA.
>
> First things first: before people learn the intricacies of NVDA source code,
> some knowledge of Python is essential. If Stephanie came onboard last year,
> I could have told her to learn Python 2; however, times have changed, and I
> recommend people who are newbies to learn Python 3. For most tasks, Python 2
> and 3 will work well, but there are some internal things that require you to
> become familiar with Python 2 for a little while before NV Access declares
> transition to Python 3.
>
> Most of us (including I) started out with writing NVDA add-ons. Some of the
> add-ons out there, including Enhanced Touch Gestures, Clock, and many others
> were written by developers prior to their exposure to internals of NVDA
> source code. Learning to write NVDA add-ons helps some people in practicing
> Python skills and getting to use high-level functions offered by NVDA.
>
> It is indeed possible to modify NVDA source code with zero to limited
> knowledge of Python. But when it comes to actually digging into code and
> providing contributions, this quickly becomes an overwhelming task because
> not only a new programming language must be learned, but also one needs to
> know how certain things in NVDA works behind the scenes (via source code).
> This is one of the reasons why I always advise scripters of other screen
> readers to take some time off and learn Python before working on seriously
> transforming their scripts to NVDA add-ons.
>
> In terms of what you need to know before seriously working on NVDA code
> contributions:
>
>   a.. Knowledge of Python is recommended.
>   b.. You need to know what a variable is, how to call and define functions,
> and know the differences between a for loop and a while loop.
>   c.. You need to learn how to think carefully before writing a conditional
> (if/elif/else) statement.
>   d.. You should be well-versed in organizing your functions, variables,
> conditional statements, loops and what not into distinct modules.
>   e.. You need to have a beginner’s grasp of what a class is, difference
> between class and object, and the big picture behind class inheritance.
>   f.. You need to be able to explain when to use lists and dictionaries,
> differences between a list and a tuple, how to read data stored in
> dictionaries, and how to add or remove items from containers.
> Things you won’t learn right away but will be fruitful later:
>
>   a.. Research solutions on your own or work with others.
>   b.. Learn to read API documentation for various modules.
>   c.. Learn to debug your solution.
>   d.. Design a small feature and its benefits and drawbacks completely from
> scratch, and optionally (but I highly recommend it), code it and present it
> to the world.
>   e.. Design a large feature that requires collaboration with others, or if
> possible, learn to work with people on parts of a feature or test one.
>   f.. Be able to explain a feature to users, either something you wrote or
> someone else has written.
> The items listed above are some of the activities a typical large software
> engineering team (such as NVDA developers) go through, especially for an
> international community like ours. I personally place higher emphasis on
> design and explanations. In case of feature explanations, this is the reason
> why I always ask add-on writers to write up a short readme explaining how to
> use their add-ons.
>
> One of the things I did, which not only benefited the community but also
> something I enjoyed doing (and wanted to do for a while), is writing add-on
> internals. Basically, I would sit down in my “lab” (in front of my computers
> at home), sip through add-on source codes and think about the overall design
> of the add-on, its purpose, and what authors would have felt when they wrote
> add-ons. These notes, along with handy references were collected into an
> article that varies in length from an essay (four or five pages) to a thesis
> that’s suitable for graduate schools sort of (more than 70 pages long)
> depending on my overall familiarity with the add-on and if certain features
> need deeper exploration and explanation. This opportunity also gave me a
> chance to study the NVDA screen reader source more deeply, which became the
> basis for an idea I have about organizing a six month long course on diving
> into NVDA source code (in the book form, it’ll span at least a hundred
> pages, possibly more); I say “six months” due to vast amount of knowledge
> the NVDA source code contains, as well as give background info and explain
> the rationale behind some design choices made, along with some breaks in
> between.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> swwatts3@...
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 4:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
>
>
>
> Hi Joseph and Tony,
>
> I apologize for the misleading post earlier.  I have no experience with
> Python and very limited coding experience with HTML.
>
> By way of background, I have used NVDA intermitently over the past few years
> and have grown to like the program.  I am impressed by the NVDA community
> and those who continue to dedicate time and effort to making it a viable
> screen reader alternative for use in business and education settings.
> Because I have always been interested in learning to code, I thought this
> would be a perfect way to combine my desire to learn with a worthwhile
> endeavor like NVDA.
>
> Let me know if you would like to continue this discussion off-line.
> Otherwise, I am happy to answer questions here.
>
> Kind regards,
> Stephanie
>
>
>


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Re: MS Edge browser, how to close it down

John Hedges
 

Edge has one annoying behavior. If you press Alt+F4, instrad of Ctrl+F4 to close a Tab, then if multiple tabs are open… a dialog pops up that does not close with Escape. This dialog asks if you want to close all Tabs or Vancel, which his the default.

John

From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 11:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] MS Edge browser, how to close it down

 

Hi,


I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.


How do I do this with NVDA?


Dan Beaver


MS Edge browser, how to close it down

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,


I accidentally started Edge.  Now I can't seem to find a way to close it down.  alt+f4 does nothing and I can't seem to get to a ribbon or menu bar.


How do I do this with NVDA?


Dan Beaver


Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Antony Stone
 

Interesting.

Maybe the original proposer of "switching from an email list to a forum" could
comment on what seems to be missing from what we have now, in that case?

I wasn't aware of the current forum features.


Antony.

On Friday 11 August 2017 at 16:49:22, V Stuart Foote wrote:

The NVDA portal on groups.io already functions as both:

1). functional ML in various subscription modes (digest, message, no-mail
etc) , via the your accounts subscription panel

2). as an effective forum via the Topics view --
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics (
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics ) with messages grouped into threads
with sort options. It includes an effective search

Not clear what more is needed to support users preferring either use mode.
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Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

V Stuart Foote
 

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 07:20 am, Antony Stone wrote:
... My main gripe about forums (unless they are also a mailing list in some way)is that I have to log in to it to see if there's anything new which I might benefit from or be able to answer. That's so much less convenient than having messages arrive in my inbox (or in fact my NVDA folder) and be able to answer them as easily as I answer all my other email.
The NVDA portal on groups.io already functions as both:

1). functional ML in various subscription  modes (digest, message, no-mail etc) , via the your accounts subscription panel

2). as an effective forum via the Topics view -- https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics with messages grouped into threads with sort options. It includes an effective search

Not clear what more is needed to support users preferring either use mode.


Re: Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Brian's Mail list account
 

Yes exactly and really in our usage pattern there is no benefit of rich content, ie pictures or any other whizzbang thing as we tend to use text most of the time.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum


People do exactly the same on forums - the same questions get asked time and
again, because if someone's not going to do a search in a mailing list
archive, they're not going to do a search in a forum either.

My main gripe about forums (unless they are also a mailing list in some way)
is that I have to log in to it to see if there's anything new which I might
benefit from or be able to answer. That's so much less convenient than having
messages arrive in my inbox (or in fact my NVDA folder) and be able to answer
them as easily as I answer all my other email.


Antony.

On Friday 11 August 2017 at 14:49:05, Chris wrote:

the major down side of an mailing list is that people are lazy, so instead
of going the web interface and doing a basic search for their
issue/problem they will just send off an email rather than making an
effort to find a solution for their issue/problem Hence unnecessary
traffic and frustration for all


From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 11 August 2017 09:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Yes I don't think the poster has looked properly really.
It serves all possible worlds as it stands.
It of course has the same hassles as any kind of email does that of ISPs
blocking its servers sometimes but it somehow seems to have gotten around
this by sendin you a bouncing message, one assumes using a different server
address so you actually normally get it to be able to unbounce when the
problem jas been cleared.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

Hi,
Believe it or not, portions of what the original poster (not Sarah and
others) is saying has already been fulfilled: Groups.IO is indeed a forum
provider. Although it isn't strictly a web forum, it has all the features
of
a basic forum, including a group wiki, calendar of events, databases,
hashtags and what not. Some of the facilities Groups.IO offers can be
accessed from the web, including archive management, administrative
tasks, wiki, calendar event creation and what not.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah
k
Alawami
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 10:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Suggestion: Switch from Email List to a Forum

No, if tht is the case I won't participate. I have to memorise enough
passwords already and email for me is more productive as I can take it on
the go or whilest I'm at work.

On Aug 10, 2017, at 8:20 AM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io
<carvernoah309@...> wrote:
Hi,


Okay, I'm not trying to kick the hornet's nest, but would it be more
beneficial to switch from groups.io to a web forum? PunBB, for example,
is very accessible and configurable, and it can be set up to email users
when they get a message from a forum topic that a user has subscribed
to.

Cheers,


Noah
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