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Re: The newer dialog interface in Firefox

 

thanks gene very much for your link.
if i did not need new features of firefox, i kept firefox 3.6 forever,
never update and did not bother myself for the features which i realy
need.
for example: reporting status bar is removed in firefox 4, being image
load automatic and activating or deactivating javascript with browser
frames all are removed in firefox 23
and okay and cancel button in options is completely removed in firefox
42 with no solution to restore!
i dont understand that why the programmers remove some essential
features which there users need.
its very annoying and i read in many forums and groups that many users
left firefox and migrated to the new browsers like vivaldi or palemoon
which there codes are based in firefox to have old behaviour.

On 8/14/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
See this question and answer in a Mozilla forum.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1092721

If this setting restores the old dialog interface, it is no longer
available, as you will see. You will also see that it wasn't a permanent
setting. It was there during the transition, evidently from the old to the
new interface being completely implemented. In the forum, two people state
that the setting is no longer available because if it were, you wouldn't
have access to all the new settings implemented in the new interface.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The newer dialog interface in Firefox


hi gene.
thanks for your explanation.
i knew how to navigate in firefox options but i wished to restore old
dialog interface with okay and cancel button.
i searched in the google many times with no helpful result.
in about:config there was one option
browser.preferences.inContent
which is removed unfortunately in firefox 42.
but i realy need it and wish to restore it.
i even made in about:config and set it to false with no success!
could you please help and find a solution for this?
thanks so much and God bless you

On 8/14/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I changed the subject line because the discussion has nothing to do with
the
Vivaldi browser.

The changes don't make it any more difficult to upgrade. If you issue
the
command alt h then a and wait briefly and start to tab, you will get to a
button that says update to and then it shows the version you can update
to.
This assumes, of course, that updates are available. If you press the
space
bar on the button, the update will begin. When you issue the sequence alt
h
then a, you may not hear anything spoken after you press a. But, as I
said,
if you wait briefly and start to tab, you will hear the fields read.
Also,
if you issue the sequence alt t then o, you won't hear anything spoken.
If
you tab once, you will be in the list of items such as general, search,
content, etc, as you down arrow through the list. If you down arrow and
get
stuck, up arrow once and then continue to down arrow. You can then move
through all the rest of the items.

Whether something is in the about:config interface isn't related to the
Firefox dialogs and how they are displayed. If it was removed, it was
removed. If you explain on list what has been removed, you may get help
with that issue. There may be another way to do what you want. If a new
tab opens, then close it with control f4 and if there are two tabs
opened,
the settings tab and the page you were working on, you will be returned
to
the page you were previously working on. Again, if you explained the
problems rather than just ask how to do something, you will be far more
likely to get good help. You can ask how to do the thing you want to
know
how to do, but if you then explain the problems you are having, you will,
as
I said, be far more likely to get good help.

If you just ask how to do something and don't explain the problem that is
prompting you to ask, people will usually address what you ask and that
may
not solve the problem.

I may be able to find out how to restore the old dialog interface but
whether I can or not, the change is minor and I've explained all or just
about all you need to know about it. If you have further problems, ask
here.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


its very important for me and i could not update my browser for this
reason.
there was one option in about:config which is removed in firefox 42
and i could not find a solution for it.
besides, it open one tab when i want to access options and its not
desirable for me.
i wish that return classic options with okay and cancel button,
without openning options in a new tab!

On 8/13/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There is a way you can make this change but I don't know what it is.
And
what does it matter? the setting is changed when you make it instead of
when you activate the ok button. But what does it matter either way?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


hi.
since many versions, firefox settings have no okay and cancel button.
do you know how can i return back okay and cancel button in my firefox
options?
God bless you all!

On 8/13/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,


IT is just another option. My point is that if certain things can be
reconfigured, it is usable. If a small company decides to use this
browser as its default, it would be usable.



On 8/13/2017 7:15 AM, Gene wrote:
But is there any reason to use it? I looked at the description of the
browser on the web site and most of the things discussed seem to be of
interest to sighted users and of little or no benefit to blind users.
The one thing I saw in the description is the notes feature and that
is available in Chrome so that advantage may be of short duration.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:57 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give
it
a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
what
buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is no
OK
button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a
change
until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
and
this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
other
standard fare.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: The newer dialog interface in Firefox

Gene
 

See this question and answer in a Mozilla forum.
 
If this setting restores the old dialog interface, it is no longer available, as you will see.  You will also see that it wasn't a permanent setting.  It was there during the transition, evidently from the old to the new interface being completely implemented.  In the forum, two people state that the setting is no longer available because if it were, you wouldn't have access to all the new settings implemented in the new interface. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The newer dialog interface in Firefox

hi gene.
thanks for your explanation.
i knew how to navigate in firefox options but i wished to restore old
dialog interface with okay and cancel button.
i searched in the google many times with no helpful result.
in about:config there was one option
browser.preferences.inContent
which is removed unfortunately in firefox 42.
but i realy need it and wish to restore it.
i even made in about:config and set it to false with no success!
could you please help and find a solution for this?
thanks so much and God bless you

On 8/14/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I changed the subject line because the discussion has nothing to do with the
> Vivaldi browser.
>
> The changes don't make it any more difficult to upgrade.  If you issue the
> command alt h then a and wait briefly and start to tab, you will get to a
> button that says update to and then it shows the version you can update to.
> This assumes, of course, that updates are available.  If you press the space
> bar on the button, the update will begin.  When you issue the sequence alt h
> then a, you may not hear anything spoken after you press a.  But, as I said,
> if you wait briefly and start to tab, you will hear the fields read.  Also,
> if you issue the sequence alt t then o, you won't hear anything spoken.  If
> you tab once, you will be in the list of items such as general, search,
> content, etc, as you down arrow through the list.  If you down arrow and get
> stuck, up arrow once and then continue to down arrow.  You can then move
> through all the rest of the items.
>
> Whether something is in the about:config interface isn't related to the
> Firefox dialogs and how they are displayed.  If it was removed, it was
> removed.  If you explain on list what has been removed, you may get help
> with that issue.  There may be another way to do what you want.  If a new
> tab opens, then close it with control f4 and if there are two tabs opened,
> the settings tab and the page you were working on, you will be returned to
> the page you were previously working on.  Again, if you explained the
> problems rather than just ask how to do something, you will be far more
> likely to get good help.  You can ask how to do the thing you want to know
> how to do, but if you then explain the problems you are having, you will, as
> I said, be far more likely to get good help.
>
> If you just ask how to do something and don't explain the problem that is
> prompting you to ask, people will usually address what you ask and that may
> not solve the problem.
>
> I may be able to find out how to restore the old dialog interface but
> whether I can or not, the change is minor and I've explained all or just
> about all you need to know about it.  If you have further problems, ask
> here.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:36 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions
>
>
> its very important for me and i could not update my browser for this
> reason.
> there was one option in about:config which is removed in firefox 42
> and i could not find a solution for it.
> besides, it open one tab when i want to access options and its not
> desirable for me.
> i wish that return classic options with okay and cancel button,
> without openning options in a new tab!
>
> On 8/13/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> There is a way you can make this change but I don't know what it is.  And
>> what does it matter?  the setting is changed when you make it instead of
>> when you activate the ok button.  But what does it matter either way?
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nasrin khaksar
>> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:55 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions
>>
>>
>> hi.
>> since many versions, firefox settings have no okay and cancel button.
>> do you know how can i return back okay and cancel button in my firefox
>> options?
>> God bless you all!
>>
>> On 8/13/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>>> Hi Gene,
>>>
>>>
>>> IT is just another option. My point is that if certain things can be
>>> reconfigured, it is usable.  If a small company decides to use this
>>> browser as its default, it would be usable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/13/2017 7:15 AM, Gene wrote:
>>>> But is there any reason to use it?  I looked at the description of the
>>>> browser on the web site and most of the things discussed seem to be of
>>>> interest to sighted users and of little or no benefit to blind users.
>>>> The one thing I saw in the description is the notes feature and that
>>>> is available in Chrome so that advantage may be of short duration.
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:57 AM
>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> *Subject:* [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions
>>>>
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give it
>>>> a try.  It has promise.  Quick key navigation works; the interface
>>>> reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
>>>> accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy.  The menus are
>>>> similar to Google Chrome.  There is one menu with sub menus which
>>>> involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't  a
>>>> big problem once you get use to it.  The main problem I am having is
>>>> setting the browser up.  The settings panel is all buttons.  While the
>>>> screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
>>>> what
>>>> buttons to press to accept the changes.  In other words, there is no OK
>>>> button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a change
>>>> until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
>>>> difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
>>>> with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
>>>> get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
>>>> browsers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
>>>> change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
>>>> appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
>>>> and
>>>> this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
>>>> other
>>>> standard fare.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


pretty much based on the chrome code i guess. I did see some thing say
it or read it.

it is pretty much along the lines of chrome and when you get use to it
and taylor it it is like a web page in the settings as well like chromes.


There are alot of settings you can ajust and also a keyboard section.


Gene nz

On 14/08/2017 19:37, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I wonder, which browser engine is it actually using then?
I don't think its a written from scratch one, it has to be one of the
three I know which work, surely?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand"
<hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


Hi


Just looking at it my self not my usual browser but when you go into the
settings You will hear the name of the buttons. So depending which one
you press the space bar on you would then need to use the letter H to
jump to the start of that section. then it is a matter of arrowing
through that section. I just set my home page in it it is not the start
page one.


make your changes then close the screen and the new settings take
affect.


the other buttons up the top i would have to look more into them they
might be able to be hidden? maybe the f11 key might do it?


A bit more of a play might make tthings fall into place of what they do.


Gene nz



On 13/08/2017 22:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give
it a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
what buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is
no OK button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a
change until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
and this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
other standard fare.







Re: Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I wonder, which browser engine is it actually using then?
I don't think its a written from scratch one, it has to be one of the three I know which work, surely?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


Hi


Just looking at it my self not my usual browser but when you go into the
settings You will hear the name of the buttons. So depending which one
you press the space bar on you would then need to use the letter H to
jump to the start of that section. then it is a matter of arrowing
through that section. I just set my home page in it it is not the start
page one.


make your changes then close the screen and the new settings take affect.


the other buttons up the top i would have to look more into them they
might be able to be hidden? maybe the f11 key might do it?


A bit more of a play might make tthings fall into place of what they do.


Gene nz



On 13/08/2017 22:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give
it a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
what buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is
no OK button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a
change until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
and this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
other standard fare.




Re: The newer dialog interface in Firefox

 

hi gene.
thanks for your explanation.
i knew how to navigate in firefox options but i wished to restore old
dialog interface with okay and cancel button.
i searched in the google many times with no helpful result.
in about:config there was one option
browser.preferences.inContent
which is removed unfortunately in firefox 42.
but i realy need it and wish to restore it.
i even made in about:config and set it to false with no success!
could you please help and find a solution for this?
thanks so much and God bless you

On 8/14/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I changed the subject line because the discussion has nothing to do with the
Vivaldi browser.

The changes don't make it any more difficult to upgrade. If you issue the
command alt h then a and wait briefly and start to tab, you will get to a
button that says update to and then it shows the version you can update to.
This assumes, of course, that updates are available. If you press the space
bar on the button, the update will begin. When you issue the sequence alt h
then a, you may not hear anything spoken after you press a. But, as I said,
if you wait briefly and start to tab, you will hear the fields read. Also,
if you issue the sequence alt t then o, you won't hear anything spoken. If
you tab once, you will be in the list of items such as general, search,
content, etc, as you down arrow through the list. If you down arrow and get
stuck, up arrow once and then continue to down arrow. You can then move
through all the rest of the items.

Whether something is in the about:config interface isn't related to the
Firefox dialogs and how they are displayed. If it was removed, it was
removed. If you explain on list what has been removed, you may get help
with that issue. There may be another way to do what you want. If a new
tab opens, then close it with control f4 and if there are two tabs opened,
the settings tab and the page you were working on, you will be returned to
the page you were previously working on. Again, if you explained the
problems rather than just ask how to do something, you will be far more
likely to get good help. You can ask how to do the thing you want to know
how to do, but if you then explain the problems you are having, you will, as
I said, be far more likely to get good help.

If you just ask how to do something and don't explain the problem that is
prompting you to ask, people will usually address what you ask and that may
not solve the problem.

I may be able to find out how to restore the old dialog interface but
whether I can or not, the change is minor and I've explained all or just
about all you need to know about it. If you have further problems, ask
here.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


its very important for me and i could not update my browser for this
reason.
there was one option in about:config which is removed in firefox 42
and i could not find a solution for it.
besides, it open one tab when i want to access options and its not
desirable for me.
i wish that return classic options with okay and cancel button,
without openning options in a new tab!

On 8/13/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There is a way you can make this change but I don't know what it is. And
what does it matter? the setting is changed when you make it instead of
when you activate the ok button. But what does it matter either way?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


hi.
since many versions, firefox settings have no okay and cancel button.
do you know how can i return back okay and cancel button in my firefox
options?
God bless you all!

On 8/13/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,


IT is just another option. My point is that if certain things can be
reconfigured, it is usable. If a small company decides to use this
browser as its default, it would be usable.



On 8/13/2017 7:15 AM, Gene wrote:
But is there any reason to use it? I looked at the description of the
browser on the web site and most of the things discussed seem to be of
interest to sighted users and of little or no benefit to blind users.
The one thing I saw in the description is the notes feature and that
is available in Chrome so that advantage may be of short duration.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:57 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give it
a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
what
buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is no OK
button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a change
until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
and
this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
other
standard fare.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


instant translate

mattias
 

Seems broken again

Using the dev version

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 


Re: Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Just looking at it my self not my usual browser but when you go into the
settings You will hear the name of the buttons. So depending which one
you press the space bar on you would then need to use the letter H to
jump to the start of that section. then it is a matter of arrowing
through that section. I just set my home page in it it is not the start
page one.


make your changes then close the screen and the new settings take affect.


the other buttons up the top i would have to look more into them they
might be able to be hidden? maybe the f11 key might do it?


A bit more of a play might make tthings fall into place of what they do.


Gene nz

On 13/08/2017 22:57, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give
it a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just
what buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is
no OK button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a
change until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information
and this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the
other standard fare.


The newer dialog interface in Firefox

Gene
 

I changed the subject line because the discussion has nothing to do with the Vivaldi browser.
 
The changes don't make it any more difficult to upgrade.  If you issue the command alt h then a and wait briefly and start to tab, you will get to a button that says update to and then it shows the version you can update to.  This assumes, of course, that updates are available.  If you press the space bar on the button, the update will begin.  When you issue the sequence alt h then a, you may not hear anything spoken after you press a.  But, as I said, if you wait briefly and start to tab, you will hear the fields read.  Also, if you issue the sequence alt t then o, you won't hear anything spoken.  If you tab once, you will be in the list of items such as general, search, content, etc, as you down arrow through the list.  If you down arrow and get stuck, up arrow once and then continue to down arrow.  You can then move through all the rest of the items.
 
Whether something is in the about:config interface isn't related to the Firefox dialogs and how they are displayed.  If it was removed, it was removed.  If you explain on list what has been removed, you may get help with that issue.  There may be another way to do what you want.  If a new tab opens, then close it with control f4 and if there are two tabs opened, the settings tab and the page you were working on, you will be returned to the page you were previously working on.  Again, if you explained the problems rather than just ask how to do something, you will be far more likely to get good help.  You can ask how to do the thing you want to know how to do, but if you then explain the problems you are having, you will, as I said, be far more likely to get good help.
 
If you just ask how to do something and don't explain the problem that is prompting you to ask, people will usually address what you ask and that may not solve the problem. 
 
I may be able to find out how to restore the old dialog interface but whether I can or not, the change is minor and I've explained all or just about all you need to know about it.  If you have further problems, ask here.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

its very important for me and i could not update my browser for this reason.
there was one option in about:config which is removed in firefox 42
and i could not find a solution for it.
besides, it open one tab when i want to access options and its not
desirable for me.
i wish that return classic options with okay and cancel button,
without openning options in a new tab!

On 8/13/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> There is a way you can make this change but I don't know what it is.  And
> what does it matter?  the setting is changed when you make it instead of
> when you activate the ok button.  But what does it matter either way?
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:55 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions
>
>
> hi.
> since many versions, firefox settings have no okay and cancel button.
> do you know how can i return back okay and cancel button in my firefox
> options?
> God bless you all!
>
> On 8/13/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>>
>> IT is just another option. My point is that if certain things can be
>> reconfigured, it is usable.  If a small company decides to use this
>> browser as its default, it would be usable.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/13/2017 7:15 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> But is there any reason to use it?  I looked at the description of the
>>> browser on the web site and most of the things discussed seem to be of
>>> interest to sighted users and of little or no benefit to blind users.
>>> The one thing I saw in the description is the notes feature and that
>>> is available in Chrome so that advantage may be of short duration.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:57 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give it
>>> a try.  It has promise.  Quick key navigation works; the interface
>>> reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
>>> accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy.  The menus are
>>> similar to Google Chrome.  There is one menu with sub menus which
>>> involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't  a
>>> big problem once you get use to it.  The main problem I am having is
>>> setting the browser up.  The settings panel is all buttons.  While the
>>> screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just what
>>> buttons to press to accept the changes.  In other words, there is no OK
>>> button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a change
>>> until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.
>>>
>>>
>>> In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
>>> difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
>>> with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
>>> get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
>>> browsers.
>>>
>>>
>>> If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
>>> change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
>>> appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information and
>>> this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the other
>>> standard fare.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

 

its very important for me and i could not update my browser for this reason.
there was one option in about:config which is removed in firefox 42
and i could not find a solution for it.
besides, it open one tab when i want to access options and its not
desirable for me.
i wish that return classic options with okay and cancel button,
without openning options in a new tab!

On 8/13/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
There is a way you can make this change but I don't know what it is. And
what does it matter? the setting is changed when you make it instead of
when you activate the ok button. But what does it matter either way?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 7:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions


hi.
since many versions, firefox settings have no okay and cancel button.
do you know how can i return back okay and cancel button in my firefox
options?
God bless you all!

On 8/13/17, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,


IT is just another option. My point is that if certain things can be
reconfigured, it is usable. If a small company decides to use this
browser as its default, it would be usable.



On 8/13/2017 7:15 AM, Gene wrote:
But is there any reason to use it? I looked at the description of the
browser on the web site and most of the things discussed seem to be of
interest to sighted users and of little or no benefit to blind users.
The one thing I saw in the description is the notes feature and that
is available in Chrome so that advantage may be of short duration.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

*From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 13, 2017 5:57 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Vivaldi Web Browser: First Impressions

Hi Group,


With all this talk about Vivaldi web browser, I thought I would give it
a try. It has promise. Quick key navigation works; the interface
reminds me of Google Chrome; the text is read quite easily as in other
accessible browsers such as Firefox and Internet Explorer.


There are a series of issues that make it a bit clumsy. The menus are
similar to Google Chrome. There is one menu with sub menus which
involve the use of the tree view type navigation system. This isn't a
big problem once you get use to it. The main problem I am having is
setting the browser up. The settings panel is all buttons. While the
screen changes, it is difficult to keep track of the input and just what
buttons to press to accept the changes. In other words, there is no OK
button and you really don't know if you have successfully made a change
until you close the settings panel and try the changes out.


In addition, unless there is a way to remove this and because of my
difficulty with the settings panel, there might be, the browser opens
with a navigation panel consisting of buttons. I would really like to
get rid of this panel and have the page load normally as in other
browsers.


If anyone else tries out this browser and can figure out just how to
change settings more easily and how to get rid of the start panel that
appears at the top of every page, I would appreciate the information and
this for me would make the browser a reasonable alternative to the other
standard fare.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Internet Explorer

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi bobby


A while ago i did a written and audio tutorial on Microsoft edge. it can be found on my nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

When you get there jump down by headings to where the tutorials are just look for the microsoft edge one.


Gene nz

m


On 14/08/2017 11:14, Bobby Vinton wrote:

Please can you do an audio pod cast on edge.  I would love to hear how good you can do with it


On 8/13/2017 6:15 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

I am having the same success with using NVDA with Edge and Chrome.

Yesterday, I actually made Edge my default browser. I think NVDA does a little better in Edge than in Chrome. I was browsing a lot of web sites with Edge about sports. For example:

www.espn.com

Worked perfectly with NVDA and Edge.

That is a large web site.

I just cannot believe what we are doing with NVDA.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Internet Explorer

 

I do a lot of basic web surfing and I have came to the conclusion that

Internet Explorer is well past its prime.  So many different sites work

very poorly with IE.  With NVDA support of Microsoft Edge and Google

Chrome I am finding it quite easy to stop using IE all together.  Of

course there is Firefox as well but I am seeing all my needs met with

Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

 

 




Re: Internet Explorer

George Zaynoun
 

We are still waiting David's updated tutorial for using Mail with NVDA.
Original message:

Hi all!
I am having the same success with using NVDA with Edge and Chrome.
Yesterday, I actually made Edge my default browser. I think NVDA does a little better in Edge than in Chrome. I was browsing a lot of web sites with Edge about sports. For example:
www.espn.com <http://www.espn.com>
Worked perfectly with NVDA and Edge.
That is a large web site.
I just cannot believe what we are doing with NVDA.
Have a great one!
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Internet Explorer
I do a lot of basic web surfing and I have came to the conclusion that
Internet Explorer is well past its prime. So many different sites work
very poorly with IE. With NVDA support of Microsoft Edge and Google
Chrome I am finding it quite easy to stop using IE all together. Of
course there is Firefox as well but I am seeing all my needs met with
Edge and Chrome.
--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 +46 (500) 43 55 11


Re: start menu problem

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi david


There are a couple of things you can do. I just had that problem


Use the stable version of the add on if you are using nvda 2017.2 it might be set to development. This can be done in the add on.


Or you could disable it this will show it is it causing it.


Grab the latest stable version of the add on and install it.


Gene nz



On 14/08/2017 10:12, David Griffith wrote:

 

Actually I think this is a definite bug in the latest NVDA as others on the BCAB list have also complained of this issue.

I too have this issue as described by you since applying the latest update.

Actually what is happening my end is that when I press the Windows key I have now lost all key echo.

So if I press the windows keys and type  Word this will start Microsoft Word but there is absolutely no screen or typing feedback from NVDA from the point I press the windows key until Word has loaded.

 

So the search box is coming up but NVDA is not reporting on this fact or echoing any of the text typed or search suggestions offered.

Keyboard echo elsewhere works normally.

I am using the Windows 10 Essential add on which may perhaps have something to do with it.

 

Jaws and Narrator are interacting and reporting mormally the Windows key search box fine here so this is  a problem specific to NVDA.

 

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: 12 August 2017 14:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] start menu problem

 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest nvda and the latest windows 10.  For some reason when I hit the window key the start menu dosen’t come up.  I needed to find something but, I had to use narrator to do it.  Is anyone else having this problem?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

 



question about the results in spell check in outlook 2016

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi I am using NVDA 17.2 and when I have the spell check in outlook I don’t get the list of spelling word corrections read like you would with Jaws.

How can you correct that if at all?

 

 

 

 


Re: Internet Explorer

Bobby Vinton <vinton.bobby5277@...>
 

Please can you do an audio pod cast on edge.  I would love to hear how good you can do with it


On 8/13/2017 6:15 PM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

I am having the same success with using NVDA with Edge and Chrome.

Yesterday, I actually made Edge my default browser. I think NVDA does a little better in Edge than in Chrome. I was browsing a lot of web sites with Edge about sports. For example:

www.espn.com

Worked perfectly with NVDA and Edge.

That is a large web site.

I just cannot believe what we are doing with NVDA.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Internet Explorer

 

I do a lot of basic web surfing and I have came to the conclusion that

Internet Explorer is well past its prime.  So many different sites work

very poorly with IE.  With NVDA support of Microsoft Edge and Google

Chrome I am finding it quite easy to stop using IE all together.  Of

course there is Firefox as well but I am seeing all my needs met with

Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

 

 



Re: Internet Explorer

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I am having the same success with using NVDA with Edge and Chrome.

Yesterday, I actually made Edge my default browser. I think NVDA does a little better in Edge than in Chrome. I was browsing a lot of web sites with Edge about sports. For example:

www.espn.com

Worked perfectly with NVDA and Edge.

That is a large web site.

I just cannot believe what we are doing with NVDA.

Have a great one!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 10:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Internet Explorer

 

I do a lot of basic web surfing and I have came to the conclusion that

Internet Explorer is well past its prime.  So many different sites work

very poorly with IE.  With NVDA support of Microsoft Edge and Google

Chrome I am finding it quite easy to stop using IE all together.  Of

course there is Firefox as well but I am seeing all my needs met with

Edge and Chrome.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: start menu problem

David Griffith
 

 

Actually I think this is a definite bug in the latest NVDA as others on the BCAB list have also complained of this issue.

I too have this issue as described by you since applying the latest update.

Actually what is happening my end is that when I press the Windows key I have now lost all key echo.

So if I press the windows keys and type  Word this will start Microsoft Word but there is absolutely no screen or typing feedback from NVDA from the point I press the windows key until Word has loaded.

 

So the search box is coming up but NVDA is not reporting on this fact or echoing any of the text typed or search suggestions offered.

Keyboard echo elsewhere works normally.

I am using the Windows 10 Essential add on which may perhaps have something to do with it.

 

Jaws and Narrator are interacting and reporting mormally the Windows key search box fine here so this is  a problem specific to NVDA.

 

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gary Metzler
Sent: 12 August 2017 14:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] start menu problem

 

Hi All,

 

I am using the latest nvda and the latest windows 10.  For some reason when I hit the window key the start menu dosen’t come up.  I needed to find something but, I had to use narrator to do it.  Is anyone else having this problem?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox

 


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

John J. Boyer
 

You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no
familiarity with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for programmers learning a new language. What is
needed is a turorial written by someone who has experience teaching programming from the ground up.

John

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you: https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ ( https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ )
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my previous message.

regards, Jožef
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

J.G
 

Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you: https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my previous message.

regards, Jožef


Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

J.G
 

Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you: https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my previous message.

regards, Jožef


Re: Please Another problem needing help

Chris Mullins
 

What version of Outlook are you on?  I have 2007 and on the Help menu there is an Office Diagnostics utility that you can run to check for problems in Office products on your machine.  This may give you some additional information.

 

Cheers

Chris 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sakina
Sent: 13 August 2017 16:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please Another problem needing help

 

 

Dear Gene,

Please Gene, as I have explained that I lack technical knowledge and carry on the basics that I know to enjoy going on my computer.

How can I try running Outlook in compatibility mode?  I do not know even how to go back to 1603 and was feeling very proud to have successfully upgraded to 1703

Also I do not think I will know how to change from outlook as I have been on it from day one.

Hope you will be able to help.

Thank you all so much.

Plus friends, if I do not reply instantly , I apologise as I am not quick with my actions. I will however come back always

Thank you

Sakina


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Please Another problem needing help

 

Another list member suggested using a different e-mail program.  the message you are getting is because Outlook is crashing and you get that message every time.  The most likely explanation is that there is something in the update of Windows that is causing the problem.  I haven't used the Windows 10 app and I don't know if it is your best option.

 

One possibility is to try running Outlook in compatibility mode.  I don't know enough about it to comment further but that is probably the first thing to try. 

 

If that fails, you may want to consider other programs.  If you are using a POP3 account, the Windows 10 app doesn't support POP3.  You will have to use IMAP.  I don't know enough about IMAP to comment on it.

 

I can tell you that if you are using POP and want to continue using it, you can use either Thunderbird or Windows Live Mail. 

 

Is there any reason you are using Outlook or are you just using it because you have useed it for a long time?

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Dear all,

I have just managed to update my window 10 creaters update as my turn came as I did check the version and it did happen from 1603 to 1703

I know very little but am learning.

Now the only problem I am encountering is that when I open my outlook to read my emails, it lets me read few and stops by saying that Microsoft has encountered a problem and will notify me if the solution is found. Press alt c to cancel

I then have to keep restarting my outlook again and again as it lets me read few more and cuts off.

I am still using Microsoft office 2003

All else is working fine.

Please I do not know what Gene and Rosmary are talking about installing and un installing this stable version

If that is my problem, can someone help me with step by step instructions please.

I hope the above does make sense in explaining myself.

Thanking you all again.

With many regards always

Sakina

  

 

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