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Re: Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

Chris
 

Sorry,

The subscription address is:

devlearning+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

 

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

I asked several questions on this fron earlier in the day but not seen a

reply yet.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to

devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

 

Subscribe email:

devlearning+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

 

 

From: John J. Boyer

Sent: 18 August 2017 08:00

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to

devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

I sent a message to subscribe@devlearning.nvda.groups.io It was returned

with the error unrouteable address. What's

wrong?

 

John

 

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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

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So big question, do you have to subscribe to sub groups via the web, and only that way, as when you try to do it from email you get unroutable etc.
Brian

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From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?


Subgroups are just that, they're under the main group, but indipendent
of it, so nobody is subscribed automatically, you need to subscribe to
it if you want to receive it's messages. Currently, there are subgroups
for chat, devlearning, and list matters. You can see the subgroups at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/subgroups

and you can see the one specifically for the devlearning at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

You can subscribe on that page if so desired.

Hope this helps.



On 8/17/2017 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Reading this thread, I have to ask this. What is a sub group. IE if no
action is taken by me, does this sub group come in via email or is it,
in fact a new group/list and I'd have to subscribe to that as well.
Which leads me to..
What sub groups are there already and where can I see a list and
instructions on how to subscribe to them?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Thanks.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Nimer Jaber <mailto:nimerjaber1@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@ripco.com
<mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>> wrote:

From what I read, this link should be on the main page. I see
no such link. I don't know if I have permission to create
subgroups. Is this a specific activity that permission must
be given for?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Joseph Lee <mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO
interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a
subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On
Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO
interface?

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a
subgroup. I followed the link that says subgroups and only
saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can
join. I had previously done a Google search for start
subgroup groups.io <http://groups.io> and read both help
results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.
Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the
subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

Gene

*From:*Gene <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>

*Sent:*Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything
related to it in the interface. Also, I don't see what I
recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see
members and their status to help with things like
unsubscribing. I followed the NVDA main link and that's where
I looked for these things. Did something change in the
interface? I never had this kind of problem before.

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Re: Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

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I asked several questions on this fron earlier in the day but not seen a reply yet.
Brian

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From: "Chris" <chrismedley@btinternet.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io


Subscribe email:
devlearning+subscribe@nvda.groups.io



From: John J. Boyer
Sent: 18 August 2017 08:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

I sent a message to subscribe@devlearning.nvda.groups.io It was returned with the error unrouteable address. What's
wrong?

John

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Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hello,

I would like to be added also...
Thanks.
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2017-08-18 11:30 GMT+03:00, Ralf Kefferpuetz
<ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>:

Hi Sally,

please add me as well,



cheers,

Ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally
Kiebdaj
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested
people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss
more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

Sally



On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to
organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming
background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also
want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the
experienced people have a programming background but are learning python
along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as
screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually
contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a
poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default
but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier
for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating
background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly
want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope
described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed
interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by
then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally



On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com
<mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is that we subscribe?





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete
email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io
<mailto:nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io> with subject tag of
nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



I see no reason that the list owner would object. Unless there is an
objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today. I haven't done this
before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't
expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out. What,
Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup? I'm asking
because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach
python in a context of NVDA development.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

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From: John J. Boyer <mailto:john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't
be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate
list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
Hi Joseph:

Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning
Python? Or should we create a separate list?

Thanks,

Hector
On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com
<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi,
The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge).
I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning
something new.

On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> > wrote:
hi.
i wish that learn python too.
here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@gmail.com <mailto:fiddle.pup@gmail.com> >

On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@gmail.com
<mailto:hmelias09@gmail.com> > wrote:
Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
directly.

Hector
On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@gmail.com
<mailto:hmelias09@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello:

I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a

few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might

have missed a certain punctuation mark.

Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?

Thanks,

hector Elias
On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com
<mailto:fiddle.pup@gmail.com> >
wrote:

Hello all,


Thank you for the copious advice!


In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
both versions of their introduction to computer science course
taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax

error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
hand for when we bog down.


If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to

facilitate communication and coordination off list.


I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
programming tutorials.


So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
group with me.


Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.


Regards,

Sally


On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity

with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
the ground up.

John

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest
you:
https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
)
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
previous message.

regards, Jožef








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Re: Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

Chris
 

From: John J. Boyer
Sent: 18 August 2017 08:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

I sent a message to subscribe@devlearning.nvda.groups.io It was returned with the error unrouteable address. What's

wrong?

 

John

 

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Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Hi Sally,

please add me as well,

 

cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

Sally

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Is that we subscribe?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> Hi Joseph:
>
> Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hector
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
> >
> > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> >> hi.
> >> i wish that learn python too.
> >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@...>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> >>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
> >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
> >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> hector Elias
> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
> >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
> >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> >>>>> programming tutorials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> >>>>> group with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
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> >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
> >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> >>>>>> the ground up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
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> >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
> >>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> >>>>>>> previous message.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
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John J. Boyer
 

I sent a message to subscribe@devlearning.nvda.groups.io It was returned with the error unrouteable address. What's
wrong?

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Re: looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi,
Youtube-DL is your friend (http://ytdl.org). It is a command line based application so extremely accessible, and that has options to either convert or leave the original, so very flexible.
Cheers.
Damien.
 

From: Kwork
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists
 
Hello,
I'm looking for a YouTube video downloader that supports playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm not looking for anything that converts, so don't want a program that automatically downloads and converts without saving the original video. I've been using Pontes, but that hasn't been as reliable lately. Thanks for any help.
Travis


Re: dictation bridge question.

Derek Lane
 

While on the subject of dictation bridge, I wrote this yesterday, but am not sure if it came through or not.  This is fair enough, as I've added to this, and so am hopefully more clear.

Although bugs are ideally posted on gethub, I've found it best to report them if there is a means of reliably causing them to pop up.  That having been said, this is not the case here, and because it's not, maybe some of you could help me trace the problem down so that I have something of substance to report.

The problem I'm experiencing is that NVDA does not speak the correction panel once it has been restarted.  This is the case on my machine, which is running an up-to-date copy of windows 7, with the latest release of NVDA.  Dictation is not on at startup, and because this is my DAW, I have no intention of changing that.

So, once I start dictation, I do the following:

1.  Go in to notepad to speak/write some text, occasionally toggling the state of listening by pressing control+left windows.


2.  Have generally good luck for a while, but eventually stumble on to something that breaks in a very odd, and sometimes amusing way.

3.  Select the text by either using the keyboard to do so, or by saying "select," followed by the incorrect text.

4.  Say "correct that," and say the number of the choice I want, or

try dictating again, should none of the choices work.

5.  When it's got it right, I say ok, and move on; otherwise I either repeat what I said with a different inflection, or, if necessary spell what I'm trying to say.

6.  Eventually, I find that NVDA has lost focus on notepad... That's the best way I know to describe the problem.

7.  I restart NVDA, which allows me to cursor through, and read the text in the notepad window again, but with the consequence of being unable to read the correction panel from that point forward.  I can interact with it, and it will obey my choices, I just have no idea, until the text is revised in the file, what I've picked when I say a number, then "ok."

Dictation bridge only resumes working properly after I've restarted my machine.  I said this was unreliable behavior initially because it's true.  There is no set amount of time or number of dictated phrases which trips it.  It's hard to make it loose focus, but when it happens, it's done until the machine has been restarted.




On 8/17/2017 9:47 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:

Hi Ken,

 

dictationBridge has no connection to cortana. You need to go to the windows control panel and start speech-recognition from there.

Hit ctrl+escape to get to the search box and then type windows speech-recognition one of the search results should be windows speech recognition desktop app. Activate that and hen follow the prompts.

 

Pranav



looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

Kwork
 

Hello,
I'm looking for a YouTube video downloader that supports playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm not looking for anything that converts, so don't want a program that automatically downloads and converts without saving the original video. I've been using Pontes, but that hasn't been as reliable lately. Thanks for any help.
Travis


I couldn't subscribe to devlearning. [Mailer-Daemon@mailbox.supranet.net: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]

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I tried to subscribe to devlearning@devlearning.nvda.groups.io The message was returned to me with the error "unroutable
message." Am I using the wrong address? i think the name of the subgroup should be shortened to devlearn

See the forwarded message.

Thanks,
John

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Re: clarification on downloading and using RC versions of NVDA

Ashley Wayne
 

 

 

Thank you everyone for the help, you all are great.Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] clarification on downloading and using RC versions of NVDA

 

As everyone else has said, the RC (and Next and Master) builds work exactly like the regular stable build.  After it first loads, you are given a screen with the license agreement.  Once you check the checkbox to agree to that, you can install it or create a portable version.  You can also choose "Continue", which keeps running the new version, you can use it just like a portable version (there are a couple of limitations with portable versions, such as not working on secure screens like the Windows logon screen).

 

If you install the RC build, when the final stable version is released, it will prompt to update to that (or any other RC build in the meantime - occasionally we go to RC2 if problems are found) and then you'll be back on the "stable" branch.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I have never used any rc or snapshot version of NVDA before, so I just wanted to make sure I understood some things correctly.  I simply download and install it like any other program, there are no additional steps I need to take?  I’m assuming it replaces the previous version of NVDA or will I have both on the computer?  Are settings saved?

 

I apologize if these are obvious questions, but just wanted to ensure I was accurate in my understanding before I downloaded it.  Thanks for your help as always.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



 

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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Subgroups are just that, they're under the main group, but indipendent of it, so nobody is subscribed automatically, you need to subscribe to it if you want to receive it's messages.  Currently, there are subgroups for chat, devlearning, and list matters.  You can see the subgroups at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/subgroups

and you can see the one specifically for the devlearning at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

You can subscribe on that page if so desired.

Hope this helps.



On 8/17/2017 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Reading this thread, I have to ask this. What is a sub group. IE if no action is taken by me, does this sub group come in via email or is it, in fact a new group/list and I'd have to subscribe to that as well.
 Which leads me to..
 What sub groups are there already and where can I see a list and instructions on how to subscribe to them?
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Thanks.
 
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You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?
 
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Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Re: clarification on downloading and using RC versions of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

As everyone else has said, the RC (and Next and Master) builds work exactly like the regular stable build.  After it first loads, you are given a screen with the license agreement.  Once you check the checkbox to agree to that, you can install it or create a portable version.  You can also choose "Continue", which keeps running the new version, you can use it just like a portable version (there are a couple of limitations with portable versions, such as not working on secure screens like the Windows logon screen).

If you install the RC build, when the final stable version is released, it will prompt to update to that (or any other RC build in the meantime - occasionally we go to RC2 if problems are found) and then you'll be back on the "stable" branch.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I have never used any rc or snapshot version of NVDA before, so I just wanted to make sure I understood some things correctly.  I simply download and install it like any other program, there are no additional steps I need to take?  I’m assuming it replaces the previous version of NVDA or will I have both on the computer?  Are settings saved?

 

I apologize if these are obvious questions, but just wanted to ensure I was accurate in my understanding before I downloaded it.  Thanks for your help as always.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 




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Re: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

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Reading this thread, I have to ask this. What is a sub group. IE if no action is taken by me, does this sub group come in via email or is it, in fact a new group/list and I'd have to subscribe to that as well.
 Which leads me to..
 What sub groups are there already and where can I see a list and instructions on how to subscribe to them?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Thanks.
 
Gene
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Re: clarification on downloading and using RC versions of NVDA

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Suggestion. Before you burn your bridges try a portable version and see what you get. If you also create a portable version of the current on then you can go back and still have your old config.
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Yes on everything. If you wanted to go back I.E NVDA 2017.2 it will warn you to uninstall any previous versions before proceeding.


On 8/17/2017 4:24 PM, Ashley Wayne wrote:

Hi all,

I have never used any rc or snapshot version of NVDA before, so I just wanted to make sure I understood some things correctly.  I simply download and install it like any other program, there are no additional steps I need to take?  I’m assuming it replaces the previous version of NVDA or will I have both on the computer?  Are settings saved?

I apologize if these are obvious questions, but just wanted to ensure I was accurate in my understanding before I downloaded it.  Thanks for your help as always.

Ashley

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Re: skype is getting a remake <sigh>

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Even before Microsoft took it on though they have a track record of fixing one thing then screwing up something else. If its the same team doing the work there is obviously not enough QA going on since its free then I guess they assume you get what you pay for. If there was a garanteed accessible messaging system with audio then I'd not be too worried about the cost as long as it was a once only payment. I do not like this rental lark people are trying to force downour throats recently.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] skype is getting a remake <sigh>


Hi look at this

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/08/17/hello-desktops-meet-skype-preview/

So they keep skype classic but are remaking it which means for problems for us blinks I think anyway.

I am not sure about skype win10 the last time I used uwp skype I couldn't get much out of it so use skype classic instead which works.

Actually only half of it works, the home pane with the adds and other conversations is a real mess and once you are in it keys and hotkeys don't work at all.

If I didn't need skype for chats and phonecalls for international use as well as tech support I'd probably just quit the messenger scene completely.

Now this new one is coming up.

In the latest update I have had to find a combo box which does not always reed or perform right and make it so I can see all messages instead of well reading and having all the contacts messages dissapear on me.

Its in preview, I'd really like microsoft to fix its stuff first to be honest.

But if you don't want to, I'd like you to not make it more messy than it allready is.

If skype was not a big part of my job, life and the way I get things done I'd have screwed it just like a lot of the other messenging services.

I swear if skype gets any worse I will have to find another way to call, ie racking up huge phone bills or something.

I swear skype accessability has dropped a bit, as long as you stay in the accessible ariea then its fine but I swear its dropped.




using nvda with winrar

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've mentioned winrar on this list before, but I've also seen posts in the past where folks claimed winrar wasn't accessible, so here's an article I wrote to explain how to use winrar with NVDA. There is an html version located at http://www.softcon.com/files/winrar.html

and the text version is pasted in below.

Hope folks find it useful.


Using NVDA with winrar

Winrar is a completely accessible file archiver similar to winzip or 7zip, created by rarlabs
(http://www.rarlab.com). The difference is that it not only handles rar archives, but it can be used as a
general file explorer program, too, and that is what this article will focus on.
When you launch winrar, you are presented with a general file view similar to windows explorer. By
default though, winrar offers more information than windows explorer does, and this is primarily the
reason I like it. I know explorer can be adjusted to show more information, and winrar can also be
adjusted to show less information as well by unchecking details in the settings menu on the file list tab,
though I like it the way it is by default.
Winrar will also start up using the same directory you were last viewing when it starts, though this is
configurable via the settings menu. I personally like this option, since it allows me to leave winrar in
a directory I use often, and know it will start there next time I run it.
You can also add favorites to winrar, and even scan programs for viruses using any installed virus
scanners already on your system. It's quite the versatile program, and the fact that it's 100 percent
accessible is simply a huge plus.

Just like explorer, you'll have all the items on your computer, cd drives, hard disks, and any usb drives
you've plugged in, as well as any network shares you've mounted.
Navigating winrar is as simple as using the arrow keys as well as page up and page down to move up and
down the list of files. First letter navigation is also possible, just press any letter of your choice,
and winrar will jump to the first file/directory with that letter. Pressing it again will move to the
next one in line and so on.
When you get to a directory or archive file you want to navigate into, simply press the enter key, and the
view changes to the new directory.
To get back out of the directory you're currently browsing, you can either scroll to the top of the list,
then press enter on the two dots there (this means parent directory), or you can simply use the control-
pageup key to get back much more quickly).
By default, directories are listed first, then files (sorted by extension) with archive files being listed
first. This means that if you have multiple files with the same name, but different extensions, they will
show up in different parts of the list. I like this arrangement, but if you don't, it's possible to
change this behavior by changing the sort order via the menus.

Winrar will launch programs (just like windows explorer), load text or doc files into word or notepad, or
open pdf files using adobe, just like windows explorer does, but the real power of winrar becomes apparent
when you get to an archive you want to manipulate.

When you find an archive file you'd like to view, simply press enter on it, and winrar will treat the file
just like it's a directory on the disk, allowing you to use the archive file (zip, rar, arj, 7z, and so
on) exactly as if it were just another directory on the drive, even to the point of viewing documentation,
and executing programs. The problem though is that if you use this method to run an executable, it may or
may not work, depending on the program, and how it handles it's data files (if any), because of being
executed from within the archive. Winrar will execute programs not inside archives just fine.
Winrar will allow you to extract a text or doc file, edit that file, then resave it back into the archive
when you're done, which makes for some handy disk usage savings.

In most cases though, when you're working with archive files, you will want to extract those archives so
that you can work with them or install the programs, or whatever it is you want to do, and lucky for us,
winrar has lots of ways to do this.
One of the reasons winrar is so accessible, is because it has keystrokes for nearly every function you'd
ever want to perform. For example, extracting an archive is alt-E or alt-W (depending on whether you wish
to specify where it is extracted to or not), and creating an archive from the currently highlighted
directory or file is alt-A.
alt-T will test an archive, alt-R will perform recovery on an archive, and many many more. In fact, you
can accomplish nearly everything you need to do using just key combinations, it's almost never necessary
to use mouse or screen reader functions to accomplish what you need.

So, just for tutorial purposes, let's create an archive, and lock the archive against tampering. (note,
locking archives is only available in the registered version).
First, we'll select a directory. Any directory will do, I'm going to use my documents directory for this
example, but this will work for any directory you like.
First, navigate to your documents directory, then press enter to enter the directory. Verify that this is
the directory we want. Once you've convinced yourself that you're in the right place, winrar has a nice
keystroke that will take you back to the directory so you don't have to page/arrow up to the top, then
press enter to get out of the directory, and that is control-pageUp.
Once you're back on the documents directory, just press alt-A (or use the applications key, and select add
to archive).
Winrar will prompt you for the archive name, which will default to documents.rar.
Now, at this point, press tab and you can work your way through all the various options for creating your
archive. You can select the archive type (rar, rar version 5, and zip are the defaults). Yes, rar can
create zip files too.
Rar5 is the new archive type for rar, which is not compatible with earlier versions of rar, so if you or
whoever receives the file doesn't have winrar version 5 or later, they won't be able to uncompress the
file. This may or may not be what you want, depending on how security conscious you are, so feel free to
choose whatever option you like, as long as you know the possible down sides to selecting them.

The next option is the type of archive. I won't go into detail here, but real quick, the options are:
store, fastest, fast, normal, good and best.
In general, these options range from no compression at all, to give me the most compression you can, so
that my archive is as small as possible. Each option takes more memory, and longer to execute.
The next option is dictionary size, and without getting into a lot of technical details which most people
don't care about, the dictionary size determines how effective rar will be when compressing data, if it
finds duplicate data in the each block, it can compress it better, so in general, the larger the block,
the better the compression, with the trade off that the larger the dictionary, the longer it will take to
actually do the compressing, because it has more data to search through each time it wants to compress a
new piece of data.
It's generally best to leave the defaults here (on my machine using best compression, it's 4 megabyte
blocks), but that will vary depending on compression type, and other factors.
the next two tabs are an option to split your archive into specific sizes. For example, if you're
compressing a large video file that is several hundred gigabytes, and you only have 4 gigabyte dvd disks
to save it on, rar can split the file into multiple chunks, so that you can copy each individual chunk to
a different disk and store it that way, or if you are trying to upload a file to dropbox or some other
online file storage system, and they have a file size restriction, winrar can solve that problem for you
by making the archive the exact size you need, and splitting it into multiple files.
The first one asks you the size, and the second one asks whether you specified the size in bytes,
kilobytes, megabytes, or gigabytes. So, if you are using the split option, this gives you a way to
designate the archive size precisely so you won't have any confusion over the actual archive sizes.

The next set of options are various options that will affect either the archive, or the files you're
archiving. You have options such as:
delete files after archiving, (good for saving space on your hard drive on low resource pcs),
Create a self extracting archive, (this means that your rar file will be turned into an executable so that
people who don't have rar can still extract your archive).
Create solid archive, (Usually this option compresses better at the expense of time)
Add recovery record (this makes your archives a bit larger, but allows them to still extract properly,
even if the archive gets damaged)
test archive files (ensures the files were compressed properly, generally not needed unless you're
archiving from unstable media)
Lock archive (Allows the archive to be locked against changes of any kind after it's created)
and finally
set password (allows you to password protect the archive)

After you've configured your new archive the way you want it, tab to the ok button, and away it goes.

While the archiving is taking place, winrar will present you with three buttons, Background (which will
move winrar to the system tray, and remove it from the alt-tab sequence; and the other buttons are Pause
archiving, and cancel.

When the archiving is complete, you will now have a new file in the current directory with the name you
selected in the previous step, and if you selected background, winrar will then reappear in the alt-tab
sequence, and also show you any errors it encountered during the archiving process.
(note, this is the only inaccessible part of winrar, for some reason, the view used to show errors isn't
accessible to NVDA, but you can use the log function to see any errors.)

That's all there is to it. Winrar is easy to use, and has some very nice features that make it a great
general file viewer, as well as an excellent archive maintainer.
If you'd like to get a complete list of winrar functions and settings, F-10 will do it, it presents you
with a nice organized multitab settings view that allows you to view or change virtually everything about
winrar and how it works.

Below are a list of the more common functions and their key combinations. These key combinations are
usually available from anywhere, though occasionally, they will work when winrar is in particular modes
(for example, the extract archive obviously won't work if you're not looking at an archive file).
Most of these functions are also available using the applications (or context if you prefer) key which is
the one on the right side of the space bar between the alt and control keys on most windows keyboards.

Delete file : delete
rename file : F2
menu : F10
Print file : control-i
Settings : control-s
Change drive : control-d
set password : control-p

Add files to archive : alt-a
Extract to specified directory : alt-e
extract without confirmation : alt-w
Lock archive : alt-l
add comment to archive : alt-m
Repair archive : alt-r
protect archive : alt-p
Test archive : alt-t
show information : alt-i
View file : alt-v

If you forget any of these keys, you can use the menus to find the options you want. (of which F10 is
only the master menu key)

alt-f : file menu
alt-c : commands menu
alt-s : tools menu
alt-o : favorites
alt-n : options
alt-h : help

Some functions are only available in the registered version, but since I've been a registered rar user for
many years now, I have no idea which functions aren't present in the non registered version.
I realize this was a rather quick and dirty examination of winrar functions, but I hope it was enough to
convince you that winrar is well worth taking a look see to verify for yourself whether it can handle your
file browsing and archiving needs.
If there are questions, or comments, feel free to send them to me, and I'd be glad to update this article
with modifications and additional information that folks would like to see.
Feel free to repost this article where you like, as long as you give credit to me (Travis Siegel) as the
originator.


Re: the windows 1 core voices are very slow

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Several people seem to be saying this. Do they speed up if you use them in Narrator?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] the windows 1 core voices are very slow


I only have 3 voices in the windows 1 core and they are very slow I tried setting the rate to 100 and the voices are much slower than 80 on the api voices. They also have a very waver to them. Sounds like a flutter. The 3 voices that I have are David, Sera thats what it sounds like and Mark but no George. I will stick to the api voices.

Brian Sackrider



Re: 2017.3 RC1

Ashley Wayne
 

Ahh thank you.  I should have thought to look at the user guide, my apologies.

 

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From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

For other options, you would need to download the speech packages from Microsoft Web site.

This is taken directly from the user guide:

13.5. Windows OneCore Voices

Windows 10 includes new voices known as "OneCore" or "mobile" voices. Voices are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.

Please see this Microsoft article for a list of available voices and instructions to install them: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

Please note that the faster rates available with Narrator are not currently available with NVDA. Also, the speed you select in the Windows Settings affects the rate set in NVDA. These are issues we cannot resolve without changes to Windows. We are hopeful that these will be addressed in a future Windows update.

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From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

I wish I had that many voice options lol.  For the OneCore voices I only have david, cira and mark.  I am liking david but other choices would be nice.

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Ok looking at mine:

 

If I set the Synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API Version 5.  In the Voice Settings I can choose:

- Microsoft David Desktop

- Microsoft Hazel Desktop

- Microsoft Zira Desktop

 

If I set the synthesizer to Windows OneCore Voices, I can go to Voice Settings and choose between:

- Microsoft David

- Microsoft George

- Microsoft Hazel

- Microsoft Susan

- Microsoft Catherine

- Microsoft Zira

- Microsoft Mark

- Microsoft James

 

The OneCore voices weren't available in 2017.2.  They have been in Next and Master builds for a little while.  I don't think Microsoft have changed the voices available in Windows 10 lately, but I'm running a fast insider build and I have English US, English Australian and possibly English UK languages installed with the appropriate speech packs.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

    Thats what I did and as I said there is only the one new voice mark.

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2017 8:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you are on Windows 10, to get the new OneCore voices, open the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s (or from NVDA's preferences menu) and select "Microsoft OneCore voices" rather than "Microsoft Speech API version 5".

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

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De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?

 

 



 

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