Great, will give you mod status Joseph. Rebecca, I will make sure you are
added.

Thanks.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:14 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I’ll take care of the subgroup.

Cheers,

Joseph



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Nimer
Jaber
*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 10:06 AM


*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hello,

I will add anyone I see who has requested interest on this thread to the
list. I will manage that sublist for now, but I am looking for someone who
wishes to do it with me, or to take it over. If interested, let me know.

Thanks.



On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is this discuss about making, or joining a group to learn programming base
on NVDA? If so, please add me, or so me the address to subscribe.

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----- Original Message -----

*From:* Adriani Botez <adriani.botez@gmail.com>

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Sent:* Friday, August 18, 2017 9:20 PM

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA



Hello,



Please add me too.



Best

Adriani



Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 18.08.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Ralf Kefferpuetz <
ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>:

Hi Sally,

please add me as well,

cheers,

Ralf

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>] *On Behalf Of *Sally Kiebdaj
*Sent:* Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile
interested people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss
more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Sally
Kiebdaj
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM


*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to
organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming
background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also
want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the
experienced people have a programming background but are learning python
along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle
as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and
eventually contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a
poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my
default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be
easier for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating
background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly
want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope
described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed
interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by
then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:

Is that we subscribe?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
Lee
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete
email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of
nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
Gene
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I see no reason that the list owner would object. Unless there is an
objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today. I haven't done this
before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't
expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out. What,
Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup? I'm asking
because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach
python in a context of NVDA development.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:* John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>

*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list
shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate
list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:

Hi Joseph:

Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning

Python? Or should we create a separate list?

Thanks,

Hector

On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>

wrote:

Hi,
The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at

SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.

Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

<nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Lenron

Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning

something new.

On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hi.
i wish that learn python too.
here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@gmail.com>

On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@gmail.com> wrote:

Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
directly.

Hector

On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@gmail.com>

wrote:

Hello:

I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in

a

few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you

might

have missed a certain punctuation mark.

Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?

Thanks,

hector Elias

On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello all,


Thank you for the copious advice!


In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
both versions of their introduction to computer science course
taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a

syntax

error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
hand for when we bog down.


If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy

to

facilitate communication and coordination off list.


I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
programming tutorials.


So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
group with me.


Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.


Regards,

Sally


On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no

familiarity

with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
the ground up.

John

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:

Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest

you:

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
)
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
previous message.

regards, Jožef

--
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Hello,

I will add anyone I see who has requested interest on this thread to the list. I will manage that sublist for now, but I am looking for someone who wishes to do it with me, or to take it over. If interested, let me know.

Thanks.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:03 AM Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:

Is this discuss about making, or joining a group to learn programming base on NVDA? If so, please add me, or so me the address to subscribe.

---------------
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 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
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 Tel: +8428 7302-4488
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----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

Please add me too.

Best

Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 18.08.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>:

Hi Sally,

please add me as well,

cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Is that we subscribe?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> Hi Joseph:
>
> Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hector
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
> >
> > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> >> hi.
> >> i wish that learn python too.
> >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@...>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> >>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
> >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
> >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> hector Elias
> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
> >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
> >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> >>>>> programming tutorials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> >>>>> group with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
> >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> >>>>>> the ground up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
> >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
> >>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> >>>>>>> previous message.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> >> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> >> in the very authentic narration is:
> >> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> >> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> >> al-islam.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lenron Brown
> > Cell: 985-271-2832
> > Skype: ron.brown762
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses  live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
        that are available at no cost

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My mission is to bring love and peace to everyone around me with all tools available to me.
My core values are integrity, innovation, loyalty, excellence, and 100% personal responsibility.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            ~ Niels Bohr

On Aug 18, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I believe also, near the end of the thread, a message was sent to the list giving the e-mail subscribe information.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:39 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Subgroups are just that, they're under the main group, but indipendent of it, so nobody is subscribed automatically, you need to subscribe to it if you want to receive it's messages.  Currently, there are subgroups for chat, devlearning, and list matters.  You can see the subgroups at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/subgroups

and you can see the one specifically for the devlearning at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

You can subscribe on that page if so desired.

Hope this helps.

On 8/17/2017 11:28 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Reading this thread, I have to ask this. What is a sub group. IE if no action is taken by me, does this sub group come in via email or is it, in fact a new group/list and I'd have to subscribe to that as well.

 Which leads me to..

 What sub groups are there already and where can I see a list and instructions on how to subscribe to them?

 Brian

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From: Gene

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Thanks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Nimer Jaber

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?

 

Gene

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Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:

Hello,

I'm looking for a YouTube video downloader that supports playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm not looking for anything that converts, so don't want a program that automatically downloads and converts without saving the original video. I've been using Pontes, but that hasn't been as reliable lately. Thanks for any help.

Travis

I only have 3 voices in the windows 1 core and they are very slow I
tried setting the rate to 100 and the voices are much slower than 80
on the api voices. They also have a very waver to them. Sounds like a
flutter. The 3 voices that I have are David, Sera thats what it
sounds like and Mark but no George. I will stick to the api voices.

Brian Sackrider

That did the trick I sat my speech rate in the windows speech settings

to 75 it's much faster but it still has that worble kind of like a

fluttery tape that sounds like it is getting eaten by your player. I

guess I'll have to wait until the next version of windows to fix this

problem.

Brian Sackrider

I was able to subscribe via the web site, but I had to be logged into groups.io to do it.  I didn't try subscribing via email.

On 8/18/2017 7:57 AM, Chris wrote:

Sorry,

The subscription address is:

devlearning+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

 

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 18 August 2017 11:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

I asked several questions on this fron earlier in the day but not seen a

reply yet.

Brian

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From: "Chris" <chrismedley@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 10:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to

devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

 

Subscribe email:

devlearning+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

 

 

 

From: John J. Boyer

Sent: 18 August 2017 08:00

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Has anyone been able to subscribe to

devlearning.nvda.grolups.io

 

I sent a message to subscribe@devlearning.nvda.groups.io It was returned

with the error unrouteable address. What's

wrong?

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Adriani Botez

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 9:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

Please add me too.

Best

Adriani

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 18.08.2017 um 10:30 schrieb Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>:

Hi Sally,

please add me as well,

cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. August 2017 19:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Is that we subscribe?

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development. 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: John J. Boyer

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> Hi Joseph:
>
> Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hector
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
> >
> > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> >> hi.
> >> i wish that learn python too.
> >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@...>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> >>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
> >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
> >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> hector Elias
> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
> >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
> >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> >>>>> programming tutorials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> >>>>> group with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
> >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> >>>>>> the ground up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
> >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
> >>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> >>>>>>> previous message.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Subgroups are just that, they're under the main group, but indipendent of it, so nobody is subscribed automatically, you need to subscribe to it if you want to receive it's messages.  Currently, there are subgroups for chat, devlearning, and list matters.  You can see the subgroups at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/subgroups

and you can see the one specifically for the devlearning at:

https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning

You can subscribe on that page if so desired.

Hope this helps.

Reading this thread, I have to ask this. What is a sub group. IE if no action is taken by me, does this sub group come in via email or is it, in fact a new group/list and I'd have to subscribe to that as well.

 Which leads me to..

 What sub groups are there already and where can I see a list and instructions on how to subscribe to them?

 Brian

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From: Gene

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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 9:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Thanks.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Nimer Jaber

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:04 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

You may not have permission. I will create the subgroup.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 3:02 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

From what I read, this link should be on the main page.  I see no such link.  I don't know if I have permission to create subgroups.  Is this a specific activity that permission must be given for?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:56 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

Hi,

Normally, if folks have permission, they can click “create a subgroup” link and it’ll let them create one.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 12:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

As it turns out, I still can't find where to create a subgroup.  I followed the link that says subgroups and only saw information about groups I am a member of and groups I can join.  I had previously done a Google search for start subgroup groups.io and read both help results and learned nothing specific about how to do this.  Nor have I found anything on the NVDA main page or the subgroups page that says anything about starting a subgroup.

 

Gene

 

From: Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:45 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Did something change in the groups.IO interface?

 

I've been trying to create a subgroup but I can't see anything related to it in the interface.  Also, I don't see what I recall seeing before such as a link I saw before to see members and their status to help with things like unsubscribing.  I followed the NVDA main link and that's where I looked for these things.  Did something change in the interface?  I never had this kind of problem before.

 

Thanks for any information.

Gene

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Hi Travis,