Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA
Hi Sally,
I apologize for the late response. Yes, I would be happy to participate in a subgroup for newbies like us who wish to code. Looking forward to hearing from others.
Stephanie
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You didn't mention alt down arrow, the standard
command to open closed combo boxes. Did you try it?
Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] Excel Question
Working on latest Windows 10 and NVDA versions. I’m trying to
sort a worksheet by one column and then by a second column. The Alt/H/S/U
command gets me to the dialog box to do this. I click on the “Add Level” and tab
to the first sort field. This is a drop down box where I select the column that
I want to sort by. I can’t figure out how to open that drop down list. Tried
arrow keys, Spacebar, Enter, NVDA/numpad 2, NVDA/numpad Enter. None of these are
working. Is there some other command that I need to use to open these drop down
lists?
Thanks.
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slightly ot, braille contraction confusion
Hi, I'm from Germany. So that,s my first language' Which means I'm only semi fluent in reading english contractions. So I looked for a cheat sheet. During my search I learned that ueb is now generally adopted "everywhere". I also found a list of symbols and to my... not exactly great yoy I found out, that a fair amount is different than I learned it. But when I switched to the unified braille table in nvda it looked a lot more like what I'm used to. So what's with all that? best wishes, Guenni
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Re: using nvda with winrar
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Yep, the html version has both a link to the winrar program, and my name at the end of the article. It also has tables listing the keys to make navigation a bit easier. Linking to it is just fine, and saving a copy is fine too. No complaints with either.
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On 8/18/2017 4:58 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote: Hi travis
I just read the tutorial on Winrar that you wrote in the email. I will add a link to your html page from off my website to that tutorial but will also save the contents into a doc file from the email. Yes any thing written by any one else i always ask them to put there names to the tutorial they wrote. Is your name on the html version down the bottom? I would have to check otherwise i can add it onto the page which it links from.
I would have to check again but was there a link in the tutorial to where you could get Winrar from? if not I can add one in on the linking page.
it will be linked off the nvda tutorial for other programs page.
Thanks Gene NZ
On 18/08/2017 15:16, Travis Siegel wrote:
I've mentioned winrar on this list before, but I've also seen posts in the past where folks claimed winrar wasn't accessible, so here's an article I wrote to explain how to use winrar with NVDA. There is an html version located at http://www.softcon.com/files/winrar.html
and the text version is pasted in below.
Hope folks find it useful.
Using NVDA with winrar
Winrar is a completely accessible file archiver similar to winzip or 7zip, created by rarlabs (http://www.rarlab.com). The difference is that it not only handles rar archives, but it can be used as a general file explorer program, too, and that is what this article will focus on. When you launch winrar, you are presented with a general file view similar to windows explorer. By default though, winrar offers more information than windows explorer does, and this is primarily the reason I like it. I know explorer can be adjusted to show more information, and winrar can also be adjusted to show less information as well by unchecking details in the settings menu on the file list tab, though I like it the way it is by default. Winrar will also start up using the same directory you were last viewing when it starts, though this is configurable via the settings menu. I personally like this option, since it allows me to leave winrar in a directory I use often, and know it will start there next time I run it. You can also add favorites to winrar, and even scan programs for viruses using any installed virus scanners already on your system. It's quite the versatile program, and the fact that it's 100 percent accessible is simply a huge plus.
Just like explorer, you'll have all the items on your computer, cd drives, hard disks, and any usb drives you've plugged in, as well as any network shares you've mounted. Navigating winrar is as simple as using the arrow keys as well as page up and page down to move up and down the list of files. First letter navigation is also possible, just press any letter of your choice, and winrar will jump to the first file/directory with that letter. Pressing it again will move to the next one in line and so on. When you get to a directory or archive file you want to navigate into, simply press the enter key, and the view changes to the new directory. To get back out of the directory you're currently browsing, you can either scroll to the top of the list, then press enter on the two dots there (this means parent directory), or you can simply use the control- pageup key to get back much more quickly). By default, directories are listed first, then files (sorted by extension) with archive files being listed first. This means that if you have multiple files with the same name, but different extensions, they will show up in different parts of the list. I like this arrangement, but if you don't, it's possible to change this behavior by changing the sort order via the menus.
Winrar will launch programs (just like windows explorer), load text or doc files into word or notepad, or open pdf files using adobe, just like windows explorer does, but the real power of winrar becomes apparent when you get to an archive you want to manipulate.
When you find an archive file you'd like to view, simply press enter on it, and winrar will treat the file just like it's a directory on the disk, allowing you to use the archive file (zip, rar, arj, 7z, and so on) exactly as if it were just another directory on the drive, even to the point of viewing documentation, and executing programs. The problem though is that if you use this method to run an executable, it may or may not work, depending on the program, and how it handles it's data files (if any), because of being executed from within the archive. Winrar will execute programs not inside archives just fine. Winrar will allow you to extract a text or doc file, edit that file, then resave it back into the archive when you're done, which makes for some handy disk usage savings.
In most cases though, when you're working with archive files, you will want to extract those archives so that you can work with them or install the programs, or whatever it is you want to do, and lucky for us, winrar has lots of ways to do this. One of the reasons winrar is so accessible, is because it has keystrokes for nearly every function you'd ever want to perform. For example, extracting an archive is alt-E or alt-W (depending on whether you wish to specify where it is extracted to or not), and creating an archive from the currently highlighted directory or file is alt-A. alt-T will test an archive, alt-R will perform recovery on an archive, and many many more. In fact, you can accomplish nearly everything you need to do using just key combinations, it's almost never necessary to use mouse or screen reader functions to accomplish what you need.
So, just for tutorial purposes, let's create an archive, and lock the archive against tampering. (note, locking archives is only available in the registered version). First, we'll select a directory. Any directory will do, I'm going to use my documents directory for this example, but this will work for any directory you like. First, navigate to your documents directory, then press enter to enter the directory. Verify that this is the directory we want. Once you've convinced yourself that you're in the right place, winrar has a nice keystroke that will take you back to the directory so you don't have to page/arrow up to the top, then press enter to get out of the directory, and that is control-pageUp. Once you're back on the documents directory, just press alt-A (or use the applications key, and select add to archive). Winrar will prompt you for the archive name, which will default to documents.rar. Now, at this point, press tab and you can work your way through all the various options for creating your archive. You can select the archive type (rar, rar version 5, and zip are the defaults). Yes, rar can create zip files too. Rar5 is the new archive type for rar, which is not compatible with earlier versions of rar, so if you or whoever receives the file doesn't have winrar version 5 or later, they won't be able to uncompress the file. This may or may not be what you want, depending on how security conscious you are, so feel free to choose whatever option you like, as long as you know the possible down sides to selecting them.
The next option is the type of archive. I won't go into detail here, but real quick, the options are: store, fastest, fast, normal, good and best. In general, these options range from no compression at all, to give me the most compression you can, so that my archive is as small as possible. Each option takes more memory, and longer to execute. The next option is dictionary size, and without getting into a lot of technical details which most people don't care about, the dictionary size determines how effective rar will be when compressing data, if it finds duplicate data in the each block, it can compress it better, so in general, the larger the block, the better the compression, with the trade off that the larger the dictionary, the longer it will take to actually do the compressing, because it has more data to search through each time it wants to compress a new piece of data. It's generally best to leave the defaults here (on my machine using best compression, it's 4 megabyte blocks), but that will vary depending on compression type, and other factors. the next two tabs are an option to split your archive into specific sizes. For example, if you're compressing a large video file that is several hundred gigabytes, and you only have 4 gigabyte dvd disks to save it on, rar can split the file into multiple chunks, so that you can copy each individual chunk to a different disk and store it that way, or if you are trying to upload a file to dropbox or some other online file storage system, and they have a file size restriction, winrar can solve that problem for you by making the archive the exact size you need, and splitting it into multiple files. The first one asks you the size, and the second one asks whether you specified the size in bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, or gigabytes. So, if you are using the split option, this gives you a way to designate the archive size precisely so you won't have any confusion over the actual archive sizes.
The next set of options are various options that will affect either the archive, or the files you're archiving. You have options such as: delete files after archiving, (good for saving space on your hard drive on low resource pcs), Create a self extracting archive, (this means that your rar file will be turned into an executable so that people who don't have rar can still extract your archive). Create solid archive, (Usually this option compresses better at the expense of time) Add recovery record (this makes your archives a bit larger, but allows them to still extract properly, even if the archive gets damaged) test archive files (ensures the files were compressed properly, generally not needed unless you're archiving from unstable media) Lock archive (Allows the archive to be locked against changes of any kind after it's created) and finally set password (allows you to password protect the archive)
After you've configured your new archive the way you want it, tab to the ok button, and away it goes.
While the archiving is taking place, winrar will present you with three buttons, Background (which will move winrar to the system tray, and remove it from the alt-tab sequence; and the other buttons are Pause archiving, and cancel.
When the archiving is complete, you will now have a new file in the current directory with the name you selected in the previous step, and if you selected background, winrar will then reappear in the alt-tab sequence, and also show you any errors it encountered during the archiving process. (note, this is the only inaccessible part of winrar, for some reason, the view used to show errors isn't accessible to NVDA, but you can use the log function to see any errors.)
That's all there is to it. Winrar is easy to use, and has some very nice features that make it a great general file viewer, as well as an excellent archive maintainer. If you'd like to get a complete list of winrar functions and settings, F-10 will do it, it presents you with a nice organized multitab settings view that allows you to view or change virtually everything about winrar and how it works.
Below are a list of the more common functions and their key combinations. These key combinations are usually available from anywhere, though occasionally, they will work when winrar is in particular modes (for example, the extract archive obviously won't work if you're not looking at an archive file). Most of these functions are also available using the applications (or context if you prefer) key which is the one on the right side of the space bar between the alt and control keys on most windows keyboards.
Delete file : delete rename file : F2 menu : F10 Print file : control-i Settings : control-s Change drive : control-d set password : control-p
Add files to archive : alt-a Extract to specified directory : alt-e extract without confirmation : alt-w Lock archive : alt-l add comment to archive : alt-m Repair archive : alt-r protect archive : alt-p Test archive : alt-t show information : alt-i View file : alt-v
If you forget any of these keys, you can use the menus to find the options you want. (of which F10 is only the master menu key)
alt-f : file menu alt-c : commands menu alt-s : tools menu alt-o : favorites alt-n : options alt-h : help
Some functions are only available in the registered version, but since I've been a registered rar user for many years now, I have no idea which functions aren't present in the non registered version. I realize this was a rather quick and dirty examination of winrar functions, but I hope it was enough to convince you that winrar is well worth taking a look see to verify for yourself whether it can handle your file browsing and archiving needs. If there are questions, or comments, feel free to send them to me, and I'd be glad to update this article with modifications and additional information that folks would like to see. Feel free to repost this article where you like, as long as you give credit to me (Travis Siegel) as the originator.
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Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Ahh, never tried the other insert key, sorry for the confusion
then. And, another correction to my message, the insert on the
sixpack of keys is the one on the top left, not the top center. I
(wrongly) assumed that the numpad insert was the only one used, so
the passthrough method must be used then. Again, sorry for any
confusion, and thanks to Gene for the correction.
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On 8/18/2017 5:02 PM, Gene wrote:
On keyboards with two insert keys, one is the numpad insert
and the other is the insert on the main keyboard. Either one
can be used with NVDA. Try it. Try numpad insert with down
arrow to start read to end in a document. Then try the insert
on the main keyboard with down arrow. I'm giving the desktop
layout command for read to end. Exactly the same thing will
happen. The key describer describes both keys the same way. If
you use either insert with another key on the numpad, the same
thing will happen. There may be times when it is more
convenient to use one insert than the other. And if you are
using a laptop, the insert key is the only insert key. If you
are using the laptop layout, I don't know if insert is used as
an NVDA key.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] insert key problem
Most keyboards have two insert keys. The one on the numpad can
be used for NVDA, while the one in the middle on the top row of
the sixpack of keys between the keyboard and numpad can be used
for other uses. Alternatively, you can use the passthrough key
by pressing insert-2 which will allow you to press any key combo
on the keyboard, and NVDA will ignore it and your other apps
would pick up the key combination and act on it accordingly.
On 8/18/2017 3:31 PM, anthony borg
wrote:
Hi list
I wonder if someone
can help me.
As I have to use the
sticky key I can’t use the capslock as NVDA key as well,
because when I come to use it to write a capital letter it
doesn’t work.
So I had to use the
numpad insert key as NVDA, then after that I discovered
that now I can’t use an insert key with other commands as
well.
Can someone tell me if
there is any other solution please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony
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On keyboards with two insert keys, one is the
numpad insert and the other is the insert on the main keyboard. Either one
can be used with NVDA. Try it. Try numpad insert with down arrow to
start read to end in a document. Then try the insert on the main keyboard
with down arrow. I'm giving the desktop layout command for read to
end. Exactly the same thing will happen. The key describer describes
both keys the same way. If you use either insert with another key on the
numpad, the same thing will happen. There may be times when it
is more convenient to use one insert than the other. And if you are using
a laptop, the insert key is the only insert key. If you are using the
laptop layout, I don't know if insert is used as an NVDA key.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] insert key problem
Most keyboards have two insert keys. The one on the numpad can be used
for NVDA, while the one in the middle on the top row of the sixpack of keys
between the keyboard and numpad can be used for other uses. Alternatively,
you can use the passthrough key by pressing insert-2 which will allow you to
press any key combo on the keyboard, and NVDA will ignore it and your other apps
would pick up the key combination and act on it accordingly.
On 8/18/2017 3:31 PM, anthony borg wrote:
Hi list
I wonder if someone can help me.
As I have to use the sticky key I can’t
use the capslock as NVDA key as well, because when I come to use it to write a
capital letter it doesn’t work.
So I had to use the numpad insert key as
NVDA, then after that I discovered that now I can’t use an insert key with
other commands as well.
Can someone tell me if there is any other
solution please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony
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Re: using nvda with winrar
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi
I forgot to mention yes Winrar is very accessible the last time i used it not long ago before the pc died. it works very well with NVDA.
Gene NZ
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On 18/08/2017 15:16, Travis Siegel wrote: I've mentioned winrar on this list before, but I've also seen posts in the past where folks claimed winrar wasn't accessible, so here's an article I wrote to explain how to use winrar with NVDA. There is an html version located at http://www.softcon.com/files/winrar.html
and the text version is pasted in below.
Hope folks find it useful.
Using NVDA with winrar
Winrar is a completely accessible file archiver similar to winzip or 7zip, created by rarlabs (http://www.rarlab.com). The difference is that it not only handles rar archives, but it can be used as a general file explorer program, too, and that is what this article will focus on. When you launch winrar, you are presented with a general file view similar to windows explorer. By default though, winrar offers more information than windows explorer does, and this is primarily the reason I like it. I know explorer can be adjusted to show more information, and winrar can also be adjusted to show less information as well by unchecking details in the settings menu on the file list tab, though I like it the way it is by default. Winrar will also start up using the same directory you were last viewing when it starts, though this is configurable via the settings menu. I personally like this option, since it allows me to leave winrar in a directory I use often, and know it will start there next time I run it. You can also add favorites to winrar, and even scan programs for viruses using any installed virus scanners already on your system. It's quite the versatile program, and the fact that it's 100 percent accessible is simply a huge plus.
Just like explorer, you'll have all the items on your computer, cd drives, hard disks, and any usb drives you've plugged in, as well as any network shares you've mounted. Navigating winrar is as simple as using the arrow keys as well as page up and page down to move up and down the list of files. First letter navigation is also possible, just press any letter of your choice, and winrar will jump to the first file/directory with that letter. Pressing it again will move to the next one in line and so on. When you get to a directory or archive file you want to navigate into, simply press the enter key, and the view changes to the new directory. To get back out of the directory you're currently browsing, you can either scroll to the top of the list, then press enter on the two dots there (this means parent directory), or you can simply use the control- pageup key to get back much more quickly). By default, directories are listed first, then files (sorted by extension) with archive files being listed first. This means that if you have multiple files with the same name, but different extensions, they will show up in different parts of the list. I like this arrangement, but if you don't, it's possible to change this behavior by changing the sort order via the menus.
Winrar will launch programs (just like windows explorer), load text or doc files into word or notepad, or open pdf files using adobe, just like windows explorer does, but the real power of winrar becomes apparent when you get to an archive you want to manipulate.
When you find an archive file you'd like to view, simply press enter on it, and winrar will treat the file just like it's a directory on the disk, allowing you to use the archive file (zip, rar, arj, 7z, and so on) exactly as if it were just another directory on the drive, even to the point of viewing documentation, and executing programs. The problem though is that if you use this method to run an executable, it may or may not work, depending on the program, and how it handles it's data files (if any), because of being executed from within the archive. Winrar will execute programs not inside archives just fine. Winrar will allow you to extract a text or doc file, edit that file, then resave it back into the archive when you're done, which makes for some handy disk usage savings.
In most cases though, when you're working with archive files, you will want to extract those archives so that you can work with them or install the programs, or whatever it is you want to do, and lucky for us, winrar has lots of ways to do this. One of the reasons winrar is so accessible, is because it has keystrokes for nearly every function you'd ever want to perform. For example, extracting an archive is alt-E or alt-W (depending on whether you wish to specify where it is extracted to or not), and creating an archive from the currently highlighted directory or file is alt-A. alt-T will test an archive, alt-R will perform recovery on an archive, and many many more. In fact, you can accomplish nearly everything you need to do using just key combinations, it's almost never necessary to use mouse or screen reader functions to accomplish what you need.
So, just for tutorial purposes, let's create an archive, and lock the archive against tampering. (note, locking archives is only available in the registered version). First, we'll select a directory. Any directory will do, I'm going to use my documents directory for this example, but this will work for any directory you like. First, navigate to your documents directory, then press enter to enter the directory. Verify that this is the directory we want. Once you've convinced yourself that you're in the right place, winrar has a nice keystroke that will take you back to the directory so you don't have to page/arrow up to the top, then press enter to get out of the directory, and that is control-pageUp. Once you're back on the documents directory, just press alt-A (or use the applications key, and select add to archive). Winrar will prompt you for the archive name, which will default to documents.rar. Now, at this point, press tab and you can work your way through all the various options for creating your archive. You can select the archive type (rar, rar version 5, and zip are the defaults). Yes, rar can create zip files too. Rar5 is the new archive type for rar, which is not compatible with earlier versions of rar, so if you or whoever receives the file doesn't have winrar version 5 or later, they won't be able to uncompress the file. This may or may not be what you want, depending on how security conscious you are, so feel free to choose whatever option you like, as long as you know the possible down sides to selecting them.
The next option is the type of archive. I won't go into detail here, but real quick, the options are: store, fastest, fast, normal, good and best. In general, these options range from no compression at all, to give me the most compression you can, so that my archive is as small as possible. Each option takes more memory, and longer to execute. The next option is dictionary size, and without getting into a lot of technical details which most people don't care about, the dictionary size determines how effective rar will be when compressing data, if it finds duplicate data in the each block, it can compress it better, so in general, the larger the block, the better the compression, with the trade off that the larger the dictionary, the longer it will take to actually do the compressing, because it has more data to search through each time it wants to compress a new piece of data. It's generally best to leave the defaults here (on my machine using best compression, it's 4 megabyte blocks), but that will vary depending on compression type, and other factors. the next two tabs are an option to split your archive into specific sizes. For example, if you're compressing a large video file that is several hundred gigabytes, and you only have 4 gigabyte dvd disks to save it on, rar can split the file into multiple chunks, so that you can copy each individual chunk to a different disk and store it that way, or if you are trying to upload a file to dropbox or some other online file storage system, and they have a file size restriction, winrar can solve that problem for you by making the archive the exact size you need, and splitting it into multiple files. The first one asks you the size, and the second one asks whether you specified the size in bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, or gigabytes. So, if you are using the split option, this gives you a way to designate the archive size precisely so you won't have any confusion over the actual archive sizes.
The next set of options are various options that will affect either the archive, or the files you're archiving. You have options such as: delete files after archiving, (good for saving space on your hard drive on low resource pcs), Create a self extracting archive, (this means that your rar file will be turned into an executable so that people who don't have rar can still extract your archive). Create solid archive, (Usually this option compresses better at the expense of time) Add recovery record (this makes your archives a bit larger, but allows them to still extract properly, even if the archive gets damaged) test archive files (ensures the files were compressed properly, generally not needed unless you're archiving from unstable media) Lock archive (Allows the archive to be locked against changes of any kind after it's created) and finally set password (allows you to password protect the archive)
After you've configured your new archive the way you want it, tab to the ok button, and away it goes.
While the archiving is taking place, winrar will present you with three buttons, Background (which will move winrar to the system tray, and remove it from the alt-tab sequence; and the other buttons are Pause archiving, and cancel.
When the archiving is complete, you will now have a new file in the current directory with the name you selected in the previous step, and if you selected background, winrar will then reappear in the alt-tab sequence, and also show you any errors it encountered during the archiving process. (note, this is the only inaccessible part of winrar, for some reason, the view used to show errors isn't accessible to NVDA, but you can use the log function to see any errors.)
That's all there is to it. Winrar is easy to use, and has some very nice features that make it a great general file viewer, as well as an excellent archive maintainer. If you'd like to get a complete list of winrar functions and settings, F-10 will do it, it presents you with a nice organized multitab settings view that allows you to view or change virtually everything about winrar and how it works.
Below are a list of the more common functions and their key combinations. These key combinations are usually available from anywhere, though occasionally, they will work when winrar is in particular modes (for example, the extract archive obviously won't work if you're not looking at an archive file). Most of these functions are also available using the applications (or context if you prefer) key which is the one on the right side of the space bar between the alt and control keys on most windows keyboards.
Delete file : delete rename file : F2 menu : F10 Print file : control-i Settings : control-s Change drive : control-d set password : control-p
Add files to archive : alt-a Extract to specified directory : alt-e extract without confirmation : alt-w Lock archive : alt-l add comment to archive : alt-m Repair archive : alt-r protect archive : alt-p Test archive : alt-t show information : alt-i View file : alt-v
If you forget any of these keys, you can use the menus to find the options you want. (of which F10 is only the master menu key)
alt-f : file menu alt-c : commands menu alt-s : tools menu alt-o : favorites alt-n : options alt-h : help
Some functions are only available in the registered version, but since I've been a registered rar user for many years now, I have no idea which functions aren't present in the non registered version. I realize this was a rather quick and dirty examination of winrar functions, but I hope it was enough to convince you that winrar is well worth taking a look see to verify for yourself whether it can handle your file browsing and archiving needs. If there are questions, or comments, feel free to send them to me, and I'd be glad to update this article with modifications and additional information that folks would like to see. Feel free to repost this article where you like, as long as you give credit to me (Travis Siegel) as the originator.
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Re: I couldn't subscribe to devlearning. [Mailer-Daemon@mailbox.supranet.net: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
Travis, I'm not going to say anything after this. But if you think the random user of this group is going to use the web interface in the first place there is ample evidence that this is contrary to fact. If they do, if you think they'll "drill down" after a search that's even less likely. I wouldn't drill down after a group name search because subgroups should be plainly identified. They are not. Interfaces need to be designed around what "most people" would do. You, clearly, are not most people, you work far harder than most are willing to, which is a great thing. But if interfaces were designed for folks like you well over half the world would be unable to locate a darned thing, and that's based on observations from having been in this business since the 1980s. People are generally lazy, on the whole, and a good user interface takes that into account. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
~ Niels Bohr
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Re: using nvda with winrar
Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
Hi travis
I just read the tutorial on Winrar that you wrote in the email. I will add a link to your html page from off my website to that tutorial but will also save the contents into a doc file from the email. Yes any thing written by any one else i always ask them to put there names to the tutorial they wrote. Is your name on the html version down the bottom? I would have to check otherwise i can add it onto the page which it links from.
I would have to check again but was there a link in the tutorial to where you could get Winrar from? if not I can add one in on the linking page.
it will be linked off the nvda tutorial for other programs page.
Thanks Gene NZ
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On 18/08/2017 15:16, Travis Siegel wrote: I've mentioned winrar on this list before, but I've also seen posts in the past where folks claimed winrar wasn't accessible, so here's an article I wrote to explain how to use winrar with NVDA. There is an html version located at http://www.softcon.com/files/winrar.html
and the text version is pasted in below.
Hope folks find it useful.
Using NVDA with winrar
Winrar is a completely accessible file archiver similar to winzip or 7zip, created by rarlabs (http://www.rarlab.com). The difference is that it not only handles rar archives, but it can be used as a general file explorer program, too, and that is what this article will focus on. When you launch winrar, you are presented with a general file view similar to windows explorer. By default though, winrar offers more information than windows explorer does, and this is primarily the reason I like it. I know explorer can be adjusted to show more information, and winrar can also be adjusted to show less information as well by unchecking details in the settings menu on the file list tab, though I like it the way it is by default. Winrar will also start up using the same directory you were last viewing when it starts, though this is configurable via the settings menu. I personally like this option, since it allows me to leave winrar in a directory I use often, and know it will start there next time I run it. You can also add favorites to winrar, and even scan programs for viruses using any installed virus scanners already on your system. It's quite the versatile program, and the fact that it's 100 percent accessible is simply a huge plus.
Just like explorer, you'll have all the items on your computer, cd drives, hard disks, and any usb drives you've plugged in, as well as any network shares you've mounted. Navigating winrar is as simple as using the arrow keys as well as page up and page down to move up and down the list of files. First letter navigation is also possible, just press any letter of your choice, and winrar will jump to the first file/directory with that letter. Pressing it again will move to the next one in line and so on. When you get to a directory or archive file you want to navigate into, simply press the enter key, and the view changes to the new directory. To get back out of the directory you're currently browsing, you can either scroll to the top of the list, then press enter on the two dots there (this means parent directory), or you can simply use the control- pageup key to get back much more quickly). By default, directories are listed first, then files (sorted by extension) with archive files being listed first. This means that if you have multiple files with the same name, but different extensions, they will show up in different parts of the list. I like this arrangement, but if you don't, it's possible to change this behavior by changing the sort order via the menus.
Winrar will launch programs (just like windows explorer), load text or doc files into word or notepad, or open pdf files using adobe, just like windows explorer does, but the real power of winrar becomes apparent when you get to an archive you want to manipulate.
When you find an archive file you'd like to view, simply press enter on it, and winrar will treat the file just like it's a directory on the disk, allowing you to use the archive file (zip, rar, arj, 7z, and so on) exactly as if it were just another directory on the drive, even to the point of viewing documentation, and executing programs. The problem though is that if you use this method to run an executable, it may or may not work, depending on the program, and how it handles it's data files (if any), because of being executed from within the archive. Winrar will execute programs not inside archives just fine. Winrar will allow you to extract a text or doc file, edit that file, then resave it back into the archive when you're done, which makes for some handy disk usage savings.
In most cases though, when you're working with archive files, you will want to extract those archives so that you can work with them or install the programs, or whatever it is you want to do, and lucky for us, winrar has lots of ways to do this. One of the reasons winrar is so accessible, is because it has keystrokes for nearly every function you'd ever want to perform. For example, extracting an archive is alt-E or alt-W (depending on whether you wish to specify where it is extracted to or not), and creating an archive from the currently highlighted directory or file is alt-A. alt-T will test an archive, alt-R will perform recovery on an archive, and many many more. In fact, you can accomplish nearly everything you need to do using just key combinations, it's almost never necessary to use mouse or screen reader functions to accomplish what you need.
So, just for tutorial purposes, let's create an archive, and lock the archive against tampering. (note, locking archives is only available in the registered version). First, we'll select a directory. Any directory will do, I'm going to use my documents directory for this example, but this will work for any directory you like. First, navigate to your documents directory, then press enter to enter the directory. Verify that this is the directory we want. Once you've convinced yourself that you're in the right place, winrar has a nice keystroke that will take you back to the directory so you don't have to page/arrow up to the top, then press enter to get out of the directory, and that is control-pageUp. Once you're back on the documents directory, just press alt-A (or use the applications key, and select add to archive). Winrar will prompt you for the archive name, which will default to documents.rar. Now, at this point, press tab and you can work your way through all the various options for creating your archive. You can select the archive type (rar, rar version 5, and zip are the defaults). Yes, rar can create zip files too. Rar5 is the new archive type for rar, which is not compatible with earlier versions of rar, so if you or whoever receives the file doesn't have winrar version 5 or later, they won't be able to uncompress the file. This may or may not be what you want, depending on how security conscious you are, so feel free to choose whatever option you like, as long as you know the possible down sides to selecting them.
The next option is the type of archive. I won't go into detail here, but real quick, the options are: store, fastest, fast, normal, good and best. In general, these options range from no compression at all, to give me the most compression you can, so that my archive is as small as possible. Each option takes more memory, and longer to execute. The next option is dictionary size, and without getting into a lot of technical details which most people don't care about, the dictionary size determines how effective rar will be when compressing data, if it finds duplicate data in the each block, it can compress it better, so in general, the larger the block, the better the compression, with the trade off that the larger the dictionary, the longer it will take to actually do the compressing, because it has more data to search through each time it wants to compress a new piece of data. It's generally best to leave the defaults here (on my machine using best compression, it's 4 megabyte blocks), but that will vary depending on compression type, and other factors. the next two tabs are an option to split your archive into specific sizes. For example, if you're compressing a large video file that is several hundred gigabytes, and you only have 4 gigabyte dvd disks to save it on, rar can split the file into multiple chunks, so that you can copy each individual chunk to a different disk and store it that way, or if you are trying to upload a file to dropbox or some other online file storage system, and they have a file size restriction, winrar can solve that problem for you by making the archive the exact size you need, and splitting it into multiple files. The first one asks you the size, and the second one asks whether you specified the size in bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, or gigabytes. So, if you are using the split option, this gives you a way to designate the archive size precisely so you won't have any confusion over the actual archive sizes.
The next set of options are various options that will affect either the archive, or the files you're archiving. You have options such as: delete files after archiving, (good for saving space on your hard drive on low resource pcs), Create a self extracting archive, (this means that your rar file will be turned into an executable so that people who don't have rar can still extract your archive). Create solid archive, (Usually this option compresses better at the expense of time) Add recovery record (this makes your archives a bit larger, but allows them to still extract properly, even if the archive gets damaged) test archive files (ensures the files were compressed properly, generally not needed unless you're archiving from unstable media) Lock archive (Allows the archive to be locked against changes of any kind after it's created) and finally set password (allows you to password protect the archive)
After you've configured your new archive the way you want it, tab to the ok button, and away it goes.
While the archiving is taking place, winrar will present you with three buttons, Background (which will move winrar to the system tray, and remove it from the alt-tab sequence; and the other buttons are Pause archiving, and cancel.
When the archiving is complete, you will now have a new file in the current directory with the name you selected in the previous step, and if you selected background, winrar will then reappear in the alt-tab sequence, and also show you any errors it encountered during the archiving process. (note, this is the only inaccessible part of winrar, for some reason, the view used to show errors isn't accessible to NVDA, but you can use the log function to see any errors.)
That's all there is to it. Winrar is easy to use, and has some very nice features that make it a great general file viewer, as well as an excellent archive maintainer. If you'd like to get a complete list of winrar functions and settings, F-10 will do it, it presents you with a nice organized multitab settings view that allows you to view or change virtually everything about winrar and how it works.
Below are a list of the more common functions and their key combinations. These key combinations are usually available from anywhere, though occasionally, they will work when winrar is in particular modes (for example, the extract archive obviously won't work if you're not looking at an archive file). Most of these functions are also available using the applications (or context if you prefer) key which is the one on the right side of the space bar between the alt and control keys on most windows keyboards.
Delete file : delete rename file : F2 menu : F10 Print file : control-i Settings : control-s Change drive : control-d set password : control-p
Add files to archive : alt-a Extract to specified directory : alt-e extract without confirmation : alt-w Lock archive : alt-l add comment to archive : alt-m Repair archive : alt-r protect archive : alt-p Test archive : alt-t show information : alt-i View file : alt-v
If you forget any of these keys, you can use the menus to find the options you want. (of which F10 is only the master menu key)
alt-f : file menu alt-c : commands menu alt-s : tools menu alt-o : favorites alt-n : options alt-h : help
Some functions are only available in the registered version, but since I've been a registered rar user for many years now, I have no idea which functions aren't present in the non registered version. I realize this was a rather quick and dirty examination of winrar functions, but I hope it was enough to convince you that winrar is well worth taking a look see to verify for yourself whether it can handle your file browsing and archiving needs. If there are questions, or comments, feel free to send them to me, and I'd be glad to update this article with modifications and additional information that folks would like to see. Feel free to repost this article where you like, as long as you give credit to me (Travis Siegel) as the originator.
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Re: I couldn't subscribe to devlearning. [Mailer-Daemon@mailbox.supranet.net: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
After you find the nvda list on groups.io, you simply click on
it, and there is a link on that page for subgroups. Click on
that, and you're presented with a list of the subgroups. All nice
and tidy.
On 8/18/2017 3:43 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Travis,
What you say is all well and good for the main NVDA
group and a number of other NVDA related groups, but you're not
going to find the devlearning subgroup that way, and that's a
problem. It is not returned in any search.
--
Brian - Windows
10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The
opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound
truth.
~ Niels
Bohr
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Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Most keyboards have two insert keys. The one on the numpad can
be used for NVDA, while the one in the middle on the top row of
the sixpack of keys between the keyboard and numpad can be used
for other uses. Alternatively, you can use the passthrough key by
pressing insert-2 which will allow you to press any key combo on
the keyboard, and NVDA will ignore it and your other apps would
pick up the key combination and act on it accordingly.
On 8/18/2017 3:31 PM, anthony borg
wrote:
Hi list
I wonder if someone can
help me.
As I have to use the
sticky key I can’t use the capslock as NVDA key as well,
because when I come to use it to write a capital letter it
doesn’t work.
So I had to use the
numpad insert key as NVDA, then after that I discovered that
now I can’t use an insert key with other commands as well.
Can someone tell me if
there is any other solution please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony
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Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
Working on latest Windows 10 and NVDA versions. I’m trying to sort a worksheet by one column and then by a second column. The Alt/H/S/U command gets me to the dialog box to do this. I click on the “Add Level” and tab to the first sort field. This is a drop down box where I select the column that I want to sort by. I can’t figure out how to open that drop down list. Tried arrow keys, Spacebar, Enter, NVDA/numpad 2, NVDA/numpad Enter. None of these are working. Is there some other command that I need to use to open these drop down lists? Thanks.
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Re: I couldn't subscribe to devlearning. [Mailer-Daemon@mailbox.supranet.net: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
Travis, What you say is all well and good for the main NVDA group and a number of other NVDA related groups, but you're not going to find the devlearning subgroup that way, and that's a problem. It is not returned in any search. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.
~ Niels Bohr
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If you press CAPS Lock twice, it should turn on. Otherwise, what exactly are you trying to use the Insert key to do? Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: anthony borgSent: Friday, August 18, 2017 2:30 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.ioSubject: [nvda] insert key problem Hi list I wonder if someone can help me. As I have to use the sticky key I can’t use the capslock as NVDA key as well, because when I come to use it to write a capital letter it doesn’t work. So I had to use the numpad insert key as NVDA, then after that I discovered that now I can’t use an insert key with other commands as well. Can someone tell me if there is any other solution please? Thanks in advance Anthony
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Hi list I wonder if someone can help me. As I have to use the sticky key I can’t use the capslock as NVDA key as well, because when I come to use it to write a capital letter it doesn’t work. So I had to use the numpad insert key as NVDA, then after that I discovered that now I can’t use an insert key with other commands as well. Can someone tell me if there is any other solution please? Thanks in advance Anthony
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Hi. A quick query. Lately, I have realized that most persons subscribed to this list, rather than going to Google or a search engine of their choice, seek to ask questions here prior to doing this type of research. I’d seriously like to know why, as I find this practice to be counterproductive. Why do I say this? Because sometimes, the responses that are given are incorrect. Why don’t persons read the NVDA User Guide, for example. It is well detailed. Could persons explain this to me?
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Re: I couldn't subscribe to devlearning. [Mailer-Daemon@mailbox.supranet.net: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender]
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
The direct links to both the nvda and the devlearning list were
posted here yesterday (by me), but finding the proper list on
groups.io isn't hard, just search for nvda, and it comes up as one
of the very first choices. Worst case, tell it to show all lists,
then keep paging until you find the list names that begin with n,
then go down the list until you find the NVDA list. I've used
both methods, and had no trouble either time.
On 8/18/2017 12:31 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Well, if this group exists on Groups.io I'll be darned if I can
find where. A group search on "devlearning" returns absolutely
nothing, and here are the search results from searching groups for
NVDA: https://groups.io/search?q=NVDA
--
Brian - Windows
10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063 (dot level on
request - it changes too often to keep in signature)
The
opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound
truth.
~ Niels
Bohr
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Those wanting to subscribe to devlearning subgroup: a welcome message
Hi all, The below message was sent to the “devlearning” subgroup. If you still would like to subscribe, please send an email to nvda+devlearning+subscribe@groups.io and confirm if requested. But before doing so, please read the following welcome message: Hi everyone, Welcome to NVDA Development Learning, a subgroup of international NVDA users mailing list. I’ll serve as a moderator, and if she is willing, Sally as well. In order to gauge what kind of material we need to cover, I’d like to get a feel of your knowledge of Python, as well as how you were inspired by NVDA and reasons for learning how to contribute code. This member intro also serves as a way for moderators to approve your posts, as by default, initial messages from members must be approved before you can post freely in order to reduce spam. Once some intros were received, I’ll publish expectations from this course, as well as provide an overview of things to be covered. Be warned: the material we’ll cover will ask you to think and write a lot. Contributing code to NVDA screen reader project requires not just programming, but good thinking and writing skills (writing as in communicating with other developers). Also, there will be times when you do need to work as a group, while at other times, you need to showcase independent research skills. In other words, the course won’t really teach you how to contribute code to NVDA – rather, it will teach you to become good problem solvers and thinking things through. I’m stating the above warning as a reality check for some of you, as I do know that, for some, trying to learn coding may steer you in other directions, such as writing documentation for NVDA, reviewing add-ons, contributing to translations and what not. I’ll talk about some misconceptions about NVDA code contributions (and programming in general) in due course. Hope this helps. And with that, I’d like to ask you to post member intros on the devlearning subgroup if you are already a member of that group. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists
is there a way I could get your batch files?
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On 8/18/2017 12:01 PM, Damien
Sykes-Lindley wrote:
Hi,
Yes, yes and yes.
It can download playlists. It can even download from
video and audio services other than Youtube.
It’s command line based, so as long as you read the
documentation, it’s easy. I have batch scripts to download
all my content – Especially easy since it can download in
bulk and read URL’s from a file.
Cheers.
Damien.
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free
YouTube video downloader that supports playlists
can you download playlist with it? also is it easy to
use?
On 8/18/2017 9:32 AM, Sarah k
Alawami wrote:
You can use youtube-dl. It is a command line
program that is fully accessible. You can even write a
script that takes out the youtube ID as well. I love that
piece of software.
Take care
Hello,
I'm looking for a
YouTube video downloader that supports
playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm
not looking for anything that converts, so
don't want a program that automatically
downloads and converts without saving the
original video. I've been using Pontes, but
that hasn't been as reliable lately. Thanks
for any help.
Travis
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Re: looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists
Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
Hi,
Yes, yes and yes.
It can download playlists. It can even download from video and audio
services other than Youtube.
It’s command line based, so as long as you read the documentation, it’s
easy. I have batch scripts to download all my content – Especially easy since it
can download in bulk and read URL’s from a file.
Cheers. Damien.
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free YouTube video downloader that
supports playlists
can you download playlist with it? also is it easy to use?
On 8/18/2017 9:32 AM, Sarah k Alawami
wrote:
You can use
youtube-dl. It is a command line program that is fully accessible. You can
even write a script that takes out the youtube ID as well. I love that piece
of software.
Take care
Hello,
I'm looking for a YouTube video downloader that supports
playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm not looking for anything that
converts, so don't want a program that automatically downloads and converts
without saving the original video. I've been using Pontes, but that hasn't
been as reliable lately. Thanks for any help.
Travis
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