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答复: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

rowen brian <manchen0528@...>
 

Google Chrome has an extension called the quick bookmark.Very good.

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发件人: Gene
发送时间: 2017821 20:24
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主题: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

 

If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.  Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.  Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.  As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

 

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

 

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

 

I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:

's pap

That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter. 

 

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.

 

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

 

It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
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> Andrew
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> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
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> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
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> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
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>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are seeing and it may be different than what I am describing.  Two different problems may exist in firefox.
 
Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

The point is though, I have not issued ANY commands so this is not relevant
in this case.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA
automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it
is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I
again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.
Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.
Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've
seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.
As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control
I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search
interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start
talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word,
then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are
searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother
organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type
something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark
that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s
then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only
result, and I press enter.

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly
arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than
a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a
lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be
moved to in these ways.

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off
the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't
know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it
doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce
clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't
have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with
control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen,
that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed
it now.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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From: "Andrew Summers via Groups.Io" <asummers112@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
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> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

I found which one it is. And I checked the 3 of them as you told me.

Many thanks for your help,

Kind regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 14:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

It isn't necessarily in the same place.  If you have six keys above the arrow keys, three going from left to right and three more right above them going from left to right, it is the first key on the left top row.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi gene

Can you please explain to me where is the extended insert key on the keyboard?

Thanks in advance anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 22:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 


Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

I had at first assumed this is a bug.  Maybe it's something the designers consider some sort of convenience feature.  Whatever it is, it should be removed.  It is very bad practice to have a short cut combination do one thing when the modifier is held and another when it isn't held.  The only other instance I know of this, and in this one case, it makes sense to make an exception. is that holding the Windows key and typing r opens the run dialog.  Pressing and releasing the Windows key opens the start menu.
 
But there is no justification for having alt b work differently in Firefox and it isn't proper design.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.  Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.  Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.  As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.
 
Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.
 
If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.
 
I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter. 
 
I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.
 
Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Summers via Groups.Io" <asummers112@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
> I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
> light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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> <bglists@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:30 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
>
>
>> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
>> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
>> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>>
>> Anyone else noticed this?
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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The point is though, I have not issued ANY commands so this is not relevant in this case.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode. I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field. if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser. Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off. Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog. As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.

Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.

If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks. All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.

I have a number of New York Times book marks. I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu. I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently. There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper. I don't type all that. I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do. I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter.

I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation. But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.

Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I. You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened. It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page. But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen. If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 7:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to initiate it, its just there on start up.
I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
Brian

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strange happening with speech recognition.

ken lawrence
 

Hello?  List members, a strange event is happening when I use speech recognition and dictation bridge.  Sometimes when I say one word it says something else and when I try to correct it using the backspace for some strange reason the number eight or sometimes the word eight your shows up in the text is my speech recognition hearing my hand striking the backspace key?  Is my microphone that sensitive?  Otherwise the dictation bridge extension works great and I can't wait until it is available for.  Job access with speech.  Any ideas on how to keep the number eight or the word eight from coming up in the text of messages?


Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This is not the bookmark menu as i have known it in previous versions.
Anyway, I just created a github ticket on nvda and suggested it might be a Firefox issue, could somebody investigate it.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.

Andrew

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I don't have 56. I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date. But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.

Gene
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From: Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 6:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: question

Gene
 

It isn't necessarily in the same place.  If you have six keys above the arrow keys, three going from left to right and three more right above them going from left to right, it is the first key on the left top row.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question

Hi gene

Can you please explain to me where is the extended insert key on the keyboard?

Thanks in advance anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 22:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

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Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 


Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

If you use the command control I to open the bookmarks search field, NVDA automatically treats it as though it is in forms mode.  I don't know if it is, but it lets you type into the edit field.  if you simply issue control I again, the field should close and you will be back in the general browser.  Alt b does the same thing now, it toggles the search interface on and off.  Unless you are describing some other behavior, that is the behavior I've seen in the latest update available from Firefox now in the about dialog.  As I said, in the update I have. alt b now duplicates the action of control I when you hold alt and type b while doing so.
 
Also, if people don't know how to use the control I book marks search interface, that is one of the biggest advantages of Firefox unless you start talking about specialized add ons some people may really like.
 
If you issue the command control I and type a word or more than one word, then tab once, you will see one or more book marks.  All folders are searched so you don't have to worry about where the book mark is.
 
I have a number of New York Times book marks.  I don't want to bother organizing the order of book marks in the book marks menu.  I simply type something to show me the result I want efficiently.  There is a book mark that is titled Today's Paper.  I don't type all that.  I type apostrophe s then I space than I type pap as follows:
's pap
That's all I have to do.  I tab once, I down arrow to select the only result, and I press enter. 
 
I often use the menu if book marks are convenient to get to by qquickly arrowing to them or with first letter navigation.  But anyone with more than a small number of book marks knows how limited these methods are to get to a lot of the book marks in the menu which aren't conveniently located to be moved to in these ways.
 
Also, after you press enter and are taken to the page, you can toggle off the interface with control I.  You will be taken to the page and you won't know the interface is still opened.  It doesn't automatically close and it doesn't get in the way of the page.  But it's good to close it to reduce clutter when you move around the firefox interface and so that you won't have the annoying situation of intending to open the search feature with control I and have nothing appear to happen.  If nothing appears to happen, that's very likely because you forgot to close it and you have just closed it now.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on
opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its
not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
 Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you
set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions  always go
into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur,
leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then
press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever
seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark
list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard
entry is needed to  initiate it, its just there on start up.
 I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I
decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable
archive I had.
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> Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.
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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

Can you please explain to me where is the extended insert key on the keyboard?

Thanks in advance anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 22:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 


firefox problem

 

Hi.

Ok checked the rapid wiki on mozilla the next release is on the 26th of this month so if someone can contact mozilla about this they will probably fix it its possible they missed it who knows.


Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Maybe somebody might like to raise a ticket on Firefox then?

Alternatively, raise it in nvda and let one of the devs do it in Firefox. However if this issue affects 2017.2 differently to the latest snaps maybe we have a combination issue. Certainly though up to the last version of 55 I had no issues and have not changed the nvda version since then. Since 54 is now working as it should I would suggest the biggest culpriit is Firefox, its another one of those what I call cleck past with a mouse issues where if a given part of the page is not launched with focus, a mouse user hardly cares as one click and they are in, to use it gets more complicated.
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

The insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key as well.

Thanks

Kind regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 22:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

.

 

On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 


Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

 

well I still have 55 I will check for updates however

No still 55, this must be a beta or something.

On 21/08/2017 11:34 p.m., Gene wrote:
The problem discussed by Brian in the latest version of Firefox is a purely firefox problem and there is a very easy work around.

The problem is that the shortcut, alt b, when you hold the alt and type b, doesn't work properly. It duplicates the short cut control I, which toggles on and off the book marks search. But the short cut does work properly if you type it the other way, that is, release alt, then type b. That opens the book marks structure where it should open.

This is a bug in Firefox, which I thought was tested for accessibility long before production versions are released. This bug raises serious questions about accessibility testing. this glaring bug should have been discovered quickly and easily a good while before release.

Gene
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One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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Well I'm running on Master and it only went pear shaped on this version of Firefox, so regardless whether its firefox or nvda here, something has obviously altered in Firefox as I've not updated master since it was working and the latest master is almost exactly the same as the RC except the latter has probably go all latest translations and errors mutied.
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Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:
If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would this be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified because of a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be Firefox.
Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
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Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Gene
 

I don't know what version of Firefox you are using. 
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene
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Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



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I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
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> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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It asked me this morning and I let it do it, and the result was that on opening, with no keyboard input, a panel comes up about bookmarks, but its not an html screen so no virtual buffers.
Slowly hitting tab eventually ends up in the browse mode on the page you set up as start. However, whereas the previous 54 and 55 versions always go into focus mode if this page is a search engine, in 56 this does not occur, leaving you to figure out if its shifte or e to get to that field, then press enter to get into it. Its all very inconvenient. I have never ever seen this weird bookmark panel before. Its most certainly not the bookmark list or toolbar as we have had previously, and indeed as I say, no keyboard entry is needed to initiate it, its just there on start up.
I got so annoyed in trying to find a place to put it back as it was, I decided life was too short and put in 54 as this is the last executable archive I had.
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Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



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I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
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It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.

Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: NVDA Question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

I’m using the eloquence as a speech synthesizer and I have no problems with it at all.

But thanks for the link of the voices you have sent me.

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 21 August 2017 09:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Question

 

Hi

 

the following link should help you.

it also has which voices you can download etc and the steps. you must have the creators update.

 

the link to this page is https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

There is a little bit in the user manual about 1 core voices and this link came from that.

 

Gene nz

 

 

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In the latest release you are able to use Microsoft Core Voices and I was wondering which voices this includes and how you go about using them.

 

Thanks,

Danny

 

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Re: question

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

What I told you is that I used to use the caps lock as an insert as well, not the insert key as a sticky key.

So now in NVDA I should start to use the insert key in some cases.

Thanks for your help

Regards

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 12:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

I'm not sure where you want to use it not as a sticky key.  You can completely turn sticky keys off and then turn them on again very conveniently if your computer is set to do so.  There are other ways to completely turn off sticky keys but for now, try either shift pressed five times.  To turn them back on, try either shift five times and, when the dialog comes up, press either enter or the space bar.  I haven't discussed other ways to turn them off because I haven't experimented with the other ways much. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 4:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi gene

Yes you are right, the capslocked was adjusted to be used as an insert key as well by the person who did my first installation most probably.

As I switched to NVDA from window eyes as it stopped running, I experienced those 2 problems which 1 was resolved,

Now as I never used the insert key before and in NVDA I have to use it not as a sticky key, but for other uses like the example I gave you, I don’t know if it works.

Sorry for all the trouble I’m giving you but without the help ofexperienced persons like you I won’t be able to resolve them.

Thank once again for your help

Regards

Anthony  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 August 2017 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

the insert key isn't defined as a sticky key by Windows.  Keys like shift, control, alt, are defined as sticky keys.  But NVDA causes either insert to act like a sticky key.  I don't know if this is by design or by accident but by doing so, it has provided a significant service to those who use sticky keys and want to do so with a screen- reader. 

 

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi quentin

Many thanks for your support to help me and for the details you have sent me.

I used to use window eyes before but I had to switch to n v d a because window eyes has stopped running.

I go to the voice settings when I need to change something as you explained, but what I said in the previous email was just a example problem, the only one have

With the help of gene I resolved the capital letter problem.

As I never used the insert key as a command key before I still don’t know if it is going to work with n v d a.

I hope you will be able to understand wat I mean.

Kind regards

Anthony

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 21 August 2017 03:42
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

In the official materials, we say to press say NVDA+control+up arrow to increase the speech, since you may have either insert or caps lock set as the NVDA modifier key (you can have both, in which case you can use either).  Any tutorial which write commands as say insert+control+up arrow is essentially the same, just use caps lock rather than insert if that is what you have set as your NVDA modifier key.

 

Whether you use the numpad insert, extended insert (the one in the "six pack" above the arrow keys on most desktop keyboards) or the caps lock key, they should work as "sticky" keys if you are using Sticky keys in Windows.  You might find that using the voice settings dialog is an easier way to change the speech rate as once you get into it ("Voice Settings" from NVDA's preferences menu or NVDA+control+v), you can tab to the appropriate slider and then adjust the rate.

 

Note if you are using Windows 10 and the newly available OneCore voices, these are often slower than other voices.  To overcome this, search for "Change text to speech settings" in Windows itself and adjust the rate there first.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi

 

under the keyboard settings is the extended insert key checked? Here I have all 3 checked. I just tried it with the extended insert key with the others ctrl key + either up or down to ajust the volume

It worked nicely a little bit different but could be done with the one hand.

 

I guess i am just use to using 2 hands to do the same job.

 

by the way is your keyboard a full qwerty keyboard? I have seen machines that might have 2 insert keys or 2 extended insert keys but do not know what the second key is for unless it does the same job.The extended insert key on my qwerty keyboard is the zero key. maybe you are pressing the wrong one? or do you have it marked?

 

Gene nz

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On 20/08/2017 20:17, anthony borg wrote:

Hi gene

I am aware that I have to press it twice, but the problem is that it doesn’t announce on or off, it just peeps.

If there is a way of how to do it announcing it,

Can you please explain to me how to do it?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene New Zealand
Sent: 20 August 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question

 

Hi

 

You are probably aware that if the caps lock key is selected as a modifier key it has to be hit 2 times to turn caps lock on and two for off..

 

if it is selected as the modifier key then it would be that key and say the letter N to get into the preferences of nvda.

 

here unless i am writing some thing unless it is more than a letter i just use the shift key for just one letter and if i want all of them capitalized I might then put that key on to do it then turn it off.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 20/08/2017 00:38, anthony borg wrote:

Hi list

Can someone help me to figure out this problem please?

On my laptop I use the sticky keys to be able to use the keyboard with one hand, but since I started to use the n v d a, I am meeting this problem. ?

Since I started to use the capslock as n v d a, now I can’t use it to write a capital letter, as usual, if any n v d a programmer can help me to solve this problem I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Anthony

 

 



 

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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Andrew Summers
 

Well, when I do alt b I get the BookMark menu come up.
 
Andrew
 

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
I don't have 56.  I have one of the 55 versions and I am told Firefox is up-to-date.  But using the version I have, I have the same problem Brian discussed.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
 
Where have people got v56 from, because mine is 55.0.2.



Andrew
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

I just installed 54 over it and its back as it was. Can anyone shed some
light on the new weird bookmarks panel that seems to be there by default?
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


> It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark  panel.
> One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking this is a
> Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
>
> Anyone else noticed this?
> Brian
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