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Re: stopping the word clickable.

 

i could not use screen layout and turned it off in the first day that
i decided to use nvda.
but hearing clickable multiple times is annoying and switching between
clickable checked and unchecked also is not easy.

On 8/23/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
If clickable items are all displayed on separate lines, that's another
reason that use screen layout should be off by default. If someone is a
skilled and experienced enough Internet user to work in situations, such as
some forums, where having use screen layout should be on, the person will be
likely to know about the setting. Defaults should be defined with respect
to new or not very knowledgeable users and most NVDA users won't ever be
very knowledgeable. Such users won't know there is a choice and will be
inconvenienced by not having links on separate lines and not know there is
any alternative.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the
clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element.
This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable. Screen layout in the
default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done. for example, if

there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line.

If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines,

one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around
will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be
changed. If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it
should be checked. Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported. But there are times when you need to know what

is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the
time. Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it

should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how

does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley
site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA

said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying
clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about
changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use
screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts



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Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

 

quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the
synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers
you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.

I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
it.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Jim,

NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change
percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter,
capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or
to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.

The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
then
it
does both.

Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
other
synthesizers.

The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@benderconsult.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
please
forgive me for asking this.



Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce?
For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program
or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.



Thanks.


Jim





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accessible-technology-solutions

E+R=O



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on,
that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.




Gene

----- Original Message -----



*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.

I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
when
I'm editing.

Giles




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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

 

hi quentin.
i have many doc format, but as you know, i use xp and dont have any
problem to open doc files.
is it possible that windows deffender recognizes libreoffice as
malware and causes problems for it?

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
The original question from Don was around opening a Word 2003 DOC file (not
docx) on a Windows 10 computer running NVDA 2017.3rc1 and LibreOffice. I
couldn't reproduce the issue on my system, but I didn't have an old Office
2003 file, I just made one in Word 2016, and there's all kinds of reasons
why that might be different.

If anyone has a doc file that reproduces the crash that you can share, feel
free to send it to me directly (you won't be able to send it on list in any
case).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening
with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and
maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice



Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt
twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and
back
fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing
at
one point moving through the text. I didn't find a concrete way to
reproduce that. It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything. The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running. Nothing untoward
in
the NVDA log though. I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice
so
not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
2003 document. If I change the document and select to save it as the
original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing
a
hard reboot to clear it. Is this a known issue with trying to use
LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks





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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

The original question from Don was around opening a Word 2003 DOC file (not docx) on a Windows 10 computer running NVDA 2017.3rc1 and LibreOffice.  I couldn't reproduce the issue on my system, but I didn't have an old Office 2003 file, I just made one in Word 2016, and there's all kinds of reasons why that might be different.

If anyone has a doc file that reproduces the crash that you can share, feel free to send it to me directly (you won't be able to send it on list in any case).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice



Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.  Pressing alt
twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back
fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at
one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to
reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in
the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so
not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save it as the
original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing a
hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue with trying to use
LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks







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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
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Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

Quentin Christensen
 

eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA.  If you go into the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers you have on your system.  Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.

I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before it.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
> The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
> letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.  There
> are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to
> read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
>
> The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
> pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and then it
> does both.
>
> Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are indicated
> by pitch change even without say cap checked).  I'm not sure about other
> synthesizers.
>
> The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please
>> forgive me for asking this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For
>> instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or
>> keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more
>> specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>>
>> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
>>
>> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
>>
>> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
>>
>> 412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
>>
>> jhomme@...
>>
>> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
>> accessible-technology-solutions
>>
>> E+R=O
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
>> Gene
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that
>> is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
>> capitals
>> helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
>> submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all,
>> and
>> slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
>> for
>> a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
>> than
>> having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital
>> letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
>>
>> I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless
>> the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't
>> hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible
>> Cap
>> announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
>> when
>> I'm editing.
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
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> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


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Re: silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Better still, create a profile for Kurzweil and make sure that NVDA is asleep before you save it.  Then it should do it automatically I believe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 15 August 2017 19:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Oh! I’ll have to give that a try!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: August-15-17 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Put nvda to sleep by holding down the insert and control keys and press the letter S.

 

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:00 PM

Subject: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Hi, is there a way to silence nvda while using an independent speech program like Kurzweil 1000? That way I don’t have two eloquence synths going at once? Which is kind of psychedelic sounding but not very productive.

 

Thanks, Dave


Re: stopping the word clickable.

Gene
 

If clickable items are all displayed on separate lines, that's another reason that use screen layout should be off by default.  If someone is a skilled and experienced enough Internet user to work in situations, such as some forums, where having use screen layout should be on, the person will be likely to know about the setting.  Defaults should be defined with respect to new or not very knowledgeable users and most NVDA users won't ever be very knowledgeable.  Such users won't know there is a choice and will be inconvenienced by not having links on separate lines and not know there is any alternative. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.

One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the
clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element.
This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable.  Screen layout in the
default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done.  for example, if
there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line.
If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines,
one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around
will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be
changed.  If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it
should be checked.  Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported.  But there are times when you need to know what
is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the
time.  Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it
should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how
does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley
site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA
said clickable on several places.  how does she stop the NVDA from saying
clickable over and over on a page.  one member suggested something about
changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use
screen layout off which is of course the default.  any thoughts




Re: stopping the word clickable.

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One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element. This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable. Screen layout in the default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done. for example, if there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line. If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines, one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be changed. If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it should be checked. Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported. But there are times when you need to know what is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the time. Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

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Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt
twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back
fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at
one point moving through the text. I didn't find a concrete way to
reproduce that. It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything. The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running. Nothing untoward in
the NVDA log though. I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so
not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
2003 document. If I change the document and select to save it as the
original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing a
hard reboot to clear it. Is this a known issue with trying to use
LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks





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You do need to be careful as the reason for clickable is that a lot of forms and the like are now using clickable elements as apposed to traditional links. I saw one the other day, if you answered x to question y above then this may help and the word this, said clickable, not link.


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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi


Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following check box called Clickable then uncheck it.

you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any how


Gene nz


On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts


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Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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Depends on your settings in the preferences. You can have three settings. no update, download and alert me, or auto update. I feel the latter is a bit dangerous as Firefox does not have a roll back feature which in my opinion it needs. Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Hmm, I'm running Firefox 54.0.1 on my desktop and until now it hasn't auto-update to version 55.0.x.


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I think we have been here. I don't think any of the problems have been the cause thus far. Its most strange as it only seems to affect a handful of rc1 users.

Might need a log to be made as a start in debug mode.
Also be interested to know if it still does it if you restart nvda with add ons disabled.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


A couple questions:
1. Did you uninstall Office recently?
2. Do you have any other screen readers besides Narraor?
3. Where did you download this version of Firefox?
The reason for asking these questions is simple, nobody is facing these issues you are currently facing, so it’s doubtful that the developers even know about it. You need to provide additional information to diagnose the problem. Have you tried it on other types of systems?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Hi, I use defender and it just works, but still having these pesky
problems when testing the RC version I sure hope they catch this before
the next version hits the masses!

On 22/08/2017 20:06, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.

Take care all.
On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com
<mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.

hitman is made by sophos now.

I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay
expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay
accessible though.

And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other
words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.

Thats the way its going to have to be.

Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something
that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want
something I can control and configure easily and I want something
which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted
things.

I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit
unless I need to msse does that.

I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard
controls, etc.

If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others
I want something low cost to.

An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.





On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:
Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried
that files have been removed. Does the program quaranteen files or
just remove them?

Also, does the person have system restore points from before the
problem started?
And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just
unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the
time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will
restore the files? I don't know enough about repairing Windows or
having Windows replace missing files to comment further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi Gene,




I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated
her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work
well until I went into firefox. I'm testing the same set of
scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same
problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted
partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten
things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to
the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this
happens.



Tony

On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Tony




I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem
but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.




The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a
attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others.
I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some
patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?




hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to
save a restore point in windows.




Gene nz






On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hey Gene,


Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come into
play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners earlier
today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the
solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Tony


the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243


This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but
think it is for windows 7 or 8.


8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following command:
c:\windows\system32\regsvr32
c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:
c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32
c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll


Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
NVda.

Tony







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computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you
please visit
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(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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I don't see this here, so its hard to advise. 55 just works the same in both versions for me on windows 7.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi, I use defender and it just works, but still having these pesky problems when testing the RC version I sure hope they catch this before the next version hits the masses!

On 22/08/2017 20:06, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.

Take care all.
On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.

hitman is made by sophos now.

I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay accessible though.

And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.

Thats the way its going to have to be.

Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want something I can control and configure easily and I want something which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted things.

I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit unless I need to msse does that.

I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard controls, etc.

If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others I want something low cost to.

An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.





On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:
Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried that files have been removed. Does the program quaranteen files or just remove them?

Also, does the person have system restore points from before the problem started?
And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will restore the files? I don't know enough about repairing Windows or having Windows replace missing files to comment further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi Gene,




I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work well until I went into firefox. I'm testing the same set of scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this happens.



Tony

On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Tony




I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.




The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others. I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?




hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to save a restore point in windows.




Gene nz






On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hey Gene,


Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come into
play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners earlier
today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the
solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Tony


the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243


This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but
think it is for windows 7 or 8.


8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following command:
c:\windows\system32\regsvr32 c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:
c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32 c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll


Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony







--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

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It is indeed strange. You really need to raise an issue in github. It has to be done by somebody with the same problem as you as it seems only some are affected by this issue.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


thanks but I am not using the same version as you and as I keep saying it works perfectly with nvda version 2017.2 but not with the RC using 32 bit fire fox windows10 home 64bit this is getting very frustrating now.

On 22/08/2017 08:44, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
55 works well in all versions for me, only 56 has the focus at start up issue from my point of view.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Hi, went to about firefox and it says 55.02 32 bit I hope this helps in some way but as I have said using the stable version of nvda it works perfectly well.

On 21/08/2017 15:59, Andre Fisher wrote:
Is this 32 bit or 64 bit Firefox. It appears a bug needs to be filed. Which version of Firefox. Please send an actual number, with steps to reproduce. This seems serious.

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable

version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:

If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would
this

be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified
because of

a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be
Firefox.

Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking
this is a

Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

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Is this a docx or a doc?
I cannot say I've seen this problem, but then I do not use Libra a lot.
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office 2003 document. If I change the document and select to save it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing a hard reboot to clear it. Is this a known issue with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks



Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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Yes I also use superanti spyware free version and run it periodically to see if anything has been missed by msse/defender
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.

Take care all.
On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.

hitman is made by sophos now.

I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay accessible though.

And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.

Thats the way its going to have to be.

Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want something I can control and configure easily and I want something which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted things.

I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit unless I need to msse does that.

I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard controls, etc.

If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others I want something low cost to.

An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.





On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:
Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried that files have been removed. Does the program quaranteen files or just remove them?

Also, does the person have system restore points from before the problem started?
And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will restore the files? I don't know enough about repairing Windows or having Windows replace missing files to comment further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


Hi Gene,




I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work well until I went into firefox. I'm testing the same set of scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this happens.



Tony

On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi Tony




I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.




The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others. I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?




hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to save a restore point in windows.




Gene nz






On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:

Hey Gene,


Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come into
play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners earlier
today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the
solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi Tony


the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243


This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but
think it is for windows 7 or 8.


8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following command:
c:\windows\system32\regsvr32 c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:
c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32 c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll


Gene nz

On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hey Gene,


It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
edge. However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
about in Firefox .


Tony


On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi tony


can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web page? did
the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
key and see if it plays nicely?

Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?


Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda speak any
of the programs there?


When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
you arrow down it?


If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
mozilla fire fox.


Gene nz



On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
howdy mates

for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
with each other now. When web pages come up you get the announcement
that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
strange indeed. using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and NVda.

Tony







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Re: Open Office?

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I think the point here is that both these projects are in fact based on the same code base and whereas Open office seems to have no current active development or fixes being worked on, the other does, so you are more likely to get issues resolved as the nvda devs are not going to try to find work arounds for a dead development string, but will work on Libra as the developers can be contacted as many issues need to be fixed in the code of the software, not the screenreader. I hope this is clearer for you.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?


Sir I asked about Open Office not the other. Stick to the topic!


On 8/22/2017 2:31 PM, Jim Homme wrote:
Hi,
Let me suggest that you try LibreOffice. That project is more up to date. Please forgive me if I spelled it incorrecctly.

Jim


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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Open Office?

I don't remember, but doe Open Office work with the current version of NVDA? Thanks.







Re: stopping the word clickable.

Gene
 

How to turn off clickable was discussed later in the thread.  As far as hearing it only once is concerned, you can have clickable on or off.  It is some sort of bug that causes all these repetitions.  Either turn it off and experiment when you can't find a way to do something but see text you think might be clickable, or turn it on when you think you might need it and off the rest of the time.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.

i agree.
i want to hear clickable only once, not multiple times.
what should i do?

On 8/23/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> In win10 a lot of stuff say clickable repeatedly is there a way to turn
> clickables off so I don't get clickable.
>
> I am happy to hear it once but  clickable clickable clickable clickable
> clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable
> clickable clickable clickable link really slows the user down.
>
>
>
>
> On 23/08/2017 3:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
>> There is no connection between clickable and links.  Clickable items are
>> items that may take an action when you press enter or click on them.  They
>> aren't links.  Changing whether clickable is announced has nothing to do
>> with how you move through links nor what you hear when you encounter a
>> link.  But if you just turn clickable off, there are times when you won't
>> hear clickable when you need to activate a clickable object to do
>> something.  Sometimes, you activate a clickable object to play audio.
>> sometimes, to bring up help information, sometimes for other reasons.  It
>> isn't a good idea to have it off all the time.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Gene New Zealand
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following
>> check box called Clickable then uncheck it.
>>
>> you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any
>> how
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene nz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:
>>
>>    Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked
>> how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the
>> hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first
>> question NVDA said clickable on several places.  how does she stop the
>> NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page.  one member suggested
>> something about changing object presentation. he also said something about
>> turning use screen layout off which is of course the default.  any
>> thoughts
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: Microsoft edge keyboard shortcuts

 

hello. it was very great even for me who use firefox.
i copied and now i am saving it for myself.
God bless you for your great post!

On 8/23/17, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@gmail.com> wrote:
This is fan! freaking! tastic!

I'm absolutely saving this. I do wonder however what the keystroke is to
open the Edge Settings/preferences screen.

Nonetheless, I'm very greatful for you taking the time to put this together
and send to the list. It will prove to be incredibly helpful!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. arvind singh brar
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Microsoft edge keyboard shortcuts


Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts
table with 2 columns and 40 rows
Press this key
To do this
Ctrl + D
Add current site to favorites or reading list
Ctrl + I
Open favorites pane
Ctrl + J
Open downloads pane
Ctrl + H
Open history pane
Ctrl + P
Print the current page
Ctrl + F
Find on page
Alt + C
Open Cortana while you are in Edge!
Ctrl + Shift + R
Enter reading view
Ctrl + T
Open a new tab
Ctrl + Shift + T
Reopen the last closed tab
Ctrl + W or Ctrl + F4
Close the active tab
Ctrl + K
Duplicate tab
Ctrl + N
Open a new window
Ctrl + Shift + P
Open a new InPrivate Browsing window
Ctrl + Tab
Switch to the next tab
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
Switch to the previous tab
Ctrl + 1, 2, 3, and so on
Switch to a specific tab number
Ctrl + 9
Switch to the last tab
Ctrl + plus
Zoom in (25%)
Ctrl + minus
Zoom out (25%)
Ctrl + 0
Reset zoom level
Backspace or Alt + Left arrow
Go back to last web page
Alt + Right arrow
Go forward to next web page
F5 or Ctrl + R
Refresh the page
Escape
Stop loading the page
Ctrl + L or F4 or Alt + D
Select the address bar
Ctrl + Shift + L
Open address bar query in a new tab
Ctrl + E
Open a search query in the address bar
Ctrl + Enter
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address
bar
Ctrl + click
Open link in a new tab
Ctrl + Shift + click
Open link in a new tab and switch to that tab
Alt + Shift + click
Open link in a new window
Ctrl + Shift +M
Start creating web notes
Ctrl + Alt + M
Copy selected content into a web note
F12
Open F12 Developer Tools
Ctrl + U
View source
F6
Toggle focus between webpage content and the address bar
F7
Turn caret browsing on for the active tab
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
Show controls to clear browsing data

Links to other resources
Keyboard shortcuts for Microsoft Edge:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13805


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Re: stopping the word clickable.

 

i agree.
i want to hear clickable only once, not multiple times.
what should i do?

On 8/23/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
In win10 a lot of stuff say clickable repeatedly is there a way to turn
clickables off so I don't get clickable.

I am happy to hear it once but  clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable link really slows the user down.




On 23/08/2017 3:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is no connection between clickable and links. Clickable items are
items that may take an action when you press enter or click on them. They
aren't links. Changing whether clickable is announced has nothing to do
with how you move through links nor what you hear when you encounter a
link. But if you just turn clickable off, there are times when you won't
hear clickable when you need to activate a clickable object to do
something. Sometimes, you activate a clickable object to play audio.
sometimes, to bring up help information, sometimes for other reasons. It
isn't a good idea to have it off all the time.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi




Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following
check box called Clickable then uncheck it.

you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any
how




Gene nz






On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked
how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the
hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first
question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the
NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested
something about changing object presentation. he also said something about
turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any
thoughts




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org