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Re: How Do I Join A Subgroup

Gene
 

Do you have an groups.io account?  If so, I can look and see how to subscribe to subgroups.  As I recall, when you are on the page for a group, there is a button that says subgroups.  following it shows the subgroups you can join for that group.  If you have an account, you may be taken to the messages page when you go to the group page.  Somewhere near the top of the page, as I recall, is a link to go to the main page of the group.  It may just say the name of the group as a link.  I can check if my recollection isn't correct. 
 
If your specific intent is to join a subgroup of this list, we may be able to send you the e-mail subscribe address. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Homme
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 7:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] How Do I Join A Subgroup

Hi,

The subject says it. I can’t seem to figure out how to join a subgroup of the main group. Can anyone please tell me how or point me to the right information?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 

 

==========

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Bender HighTest Accessibility Team

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Re: Open Office?

Lino Morales
 

Thanks Bryan. I didn’t realize Open Office was a dead project. Thaat sucks. Well Lebre Office it is. I c’t afford Office 365 right now.n

 

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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?

 

I think the point here is that both these projects are in fact based on the

same code base and whereas Open office seems to have no current active

development or fixes being worked on, the other does, so you are more likely

to get issues resolved as the nvda devs are not going to try to find work

arounds for a dead development string, but will work on Libra as the

developers can be contacted as many issues need to be fixed in the code of

the software, not the screenreader. I hope this is clearer for you.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:34 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?

 

 

> Sir I asked about Open Office not the other. Stick to the topic!

> On 8/22/2017 2:31 PM, Jim Homme wrote:

>> Hi,

>> Let me suggest that you try LibreOffice. That project is more up to date.

>> Please forgive me if I spelled it incorrecctly.

>> 

>> Jim

>> 

>> 

>> ==========

>> Jim Homme,

>> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,

>> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team

>> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,

>> 412-787-8567,

>> jhomme@...

>> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions

>> E+R=O

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino

>> Morales

>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:13 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: [nvda] Open Office?

>> 

>> I don't remember, but doe Open Office work with the current version of

>> NVDA? Thanks.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Open Office?

Lino Morales
 

Thanks sir for your explanation. Does anyone know the URL for Open Office? I speak English so’ll I’ll need the English language pack.

 

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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?

 

hello.

yes, both openoffice and libreoffice work with all versions of nvda

which i tested since 2014 versions of nvda.

i used libreoffice, but i decided to migrate to openoffice.

libreoffice has many features in compare to openoffice, but openoffice

is very much simpler, easy to use and learn, even we can select which

feature we want to install!

but unfortunately its removed from libreoffice.

openoffice exe file at least 80 mb less than libreoffice.msi file,

because libreoffice is translated to more than 110 languages and it

has all languages and more than 40 dictionaries in its installer file,

but in openoffice you can select your desire language and for

additional languages, you should download and install languagePack

separately.

libreoffice is i think currently stable, but openoffice is more

stable, because there is no extreme changes in any version that they

release!

hope that help and God bless you all.

 

On 8/23/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

> Hi, Travis,

> I just downloaded and installed libre office and did a test document in

> writer. It worked out great so-far.

> Rosemarie

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis

> Siegel

> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:33 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?

> Suggesting that you use a more up to date version of a program is a

> perfectly reasonable response.  Open office became librioffice, and last

> time I checked, open office hadn't been updated for some time.  Since libri

> office is an updated version of open office, I find nothing wrong with the

> suggestion to try it in place of your copy of open office.

> On 8/22/2017 2:34 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

>> Sir I asked about Open Office not the other. Stick to the topic!

>> 

>> 

>> On 8/22/2017 2:31 PM, Jim Homme wrote:

>>> Hi,

>>> Let me suggest that you try LibreOffice. That project is more up to

>>> date. Please forgive me if I spelled it incorrecctly.

>>> 

>>> Jim

>>> 

>>> 

>>> ==========

>>> Jim Homme,

>>> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant, Bender HighTest Accessibility

>>> Team Bender Consulting Services, Inc., 412-787-8567,

>>> jhomme@...

>>> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-techn

>>> ology-solutions

>>> 

>>> E+R=O

>>> 

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>>> Lino Morales

>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:13 PM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> Subject: [nvda] Open Office?

>>> 

>>> I don't remember, but doe Open Office work with the current version

>>> of NVDA? Thanks.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

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best website for studying islamic book in different languages

al-islam.org

 

 

 


Re: Looking for an old modle of braille display, anny help?

Joney
 

I have a very, very old, verse Abrial 2+. Last time I checked it worked. But that was a long time ago.

Joney
"If God can bring you to it, 
He will lead you through it."  

On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:50 AM, valiant8086 <valiant8086@...> wrote:

Hi.


I have an original Humanware brailliant 32 if you didn't find one or anybody else is looking. In perfect shape, very little use. I didn't like going back and forth between the display and the qwerty keyboard and just wanted to get one that had a braille keyboard, which I have now done, focus 14. I had the brailliant out a few months ago and it was still working, didn't seam like the battery was failing or anything. All the pins work well.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 5/11/2017 9:37 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi all,

I have a braille embosser that still works with windows Xp, and I'm trying to buy a used braille display in good conditions, 40 characters and LPT or USB port only, to work with my XP machine revising and editing braille music.

If anyone knows about someone trying to sell a braille display with this features I'll deeply appreciate your help.

If you have any advise or suggestions please contact me at:

ferapan@...

Respectfully,


Fernando Apan.








Re: Looking for an old modle of braille display, anny help?

valiant8086
 

Hi.


I have an original Humanware brailliant 32 if you didn't find one or anybody else is looking. In perfect shape, very little use. I didn't like going back and forth between the display and the qwerty keyboard and just wanted to get one that had a braille keyboard, which I have now done, focus 14. I had the brailliant out a few months ago and it was still working, didn't seam like the battery was failing or anything. All the pins work well.



Cheers:
Aaron Spears, A.K.A. valiant8086. General Partner - Valiant Galaxy Associates "We make Very Good Audiogames for the blind community - http://valiantGalaxy.com"

<Sent with Thunderbird 52.1.0 portable>

On 5/11/2017 9:37 PM, Fernando Apan wrote:
Hi all,

I have a braille embosser that still works with windows Xp, and I'm trying to buy a used braille display in good conditions, 40 characters and LPT or USB port only, to work with my XP machine revising and editing braille music.

If anyone knows about someone trying to sell a braille display with this features I'll deeply appreciate your help.

If you have any advise or suggestions please contact me at:

ferapan@utexas.edu

Respectfully,


Fernando Apan.



A QUESTION

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Group

 

Years ago I used Supernova and found it a very usable program. With Supernova, and JAWS it was possible to name buttons.

 

Is there a similar function, if not, would it be possible to incorporate such function in NVDA?

 

It would be fantastic if it might be possible.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (South Africa)

 

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Lecturer: Kaleidoscope Training

 

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How Do I Join A Subgroup

Jim Homme
 

Hi,

The subject says it. I can’t seem to figure out how to join a subgroup of the main group. Can anyone please tell me how or point me to the right information?

 

Thanks.

 

Jim

 

 

==========

Jim Homme,

Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,

Bender HighTest Accessibility Team

Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,

412-787-8567,

jhomme@...

http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions

E+R=O

 


Re: Microsoft edge keyboard shortcuts

Chris Mullins
 

To open settings press alt+x, then up arrow once, then enter

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: 23 August 2017 06:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft edge keyboard shortcuts

 

This is fan! freaking! tastic!

 

I'm absolutely saving this. I do wonder however what the keystroke is to open the Edge Settings/preferences screen.

 

Nonetheless, I'm very greatful for you taking the time to put this together and send to the list. It will prove to be incredibly helpful!

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:36 AM

Subject: [nvda] Microsoft edge keyboard shortcuts

 

Microsoft Edge keyboard shortcuts
table with 2 columns and 40 rows
Press this key
To do this
Ctrl + D
Add current site to favorites or reading list
Ctrl + I
Open favorites pane
Ctrl + J
Open downloads pane
Ctrl + H
Open history pane
Ctrl + P
Print the current page
Ctrl + F
Find on page
Alt + C
Open Cortana while you are in Edge!
Ctrl + Shift + R
Enter reading view
Ctrl + T
Open a new tab
Ctrl + Shift + T
Reopen the last closed tab
Ctrl + W or Ctrl + F4
Close the active tab
Ctrl + K
Duplicate tab
Ctrl + N
Open a new window
Ctrl + Shift + P
Open a new InPrivate Browsing window
Ctrl + Tab
Switch to the next tab
Ctrl + Shift + Tab
Switch to the previous tab
Ctrl + 1, 2, 3, and so on
Switch to a specific tab number
Ctrl + 9
Switch to the last tab
Ctrl + plus
Zoom in (25%)
Ctrl + minus
Zoom out (25%)
Ctrl + 0
Reset zoom level
Backspace or Alt + Left arrow
Go back to last web page
Alt + Right arrow
Go forward to next web page
F5 or Ctrl + R
Refresh the page
Escape
Stop loading the page
Ctrl + L or F4 or Alt + D
Select the address bar
Ctrl + Shift + L
Open address bar query in a new tab
Ctrl + E
Open a search query in the address bar
Ctrl + Enter
Add www. to the beginning and .com to the end of text typed in the address bar
Ctrl + click
Open link in a new tab
Ctrl + Shift + click
Open link in a new tab and switch to that tab
Alt + Shift + click
Open link in a new window 
Ctrl + Shift +M
Start creating web notes
Ctrl + Alt + M
Copy selected content into a web note
F12
Open F12 Developer Tools 
Ctrl + U
View source
F6
Toggle focus between webpage content and the address bar
F7
Turn caret browsing on for the active tab
Ctrl + Shift + Delete
Show controls to clear browsing data

Links to other resources
Keyboard shortcuts for Microsoft Edge: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13805


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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
 

So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.  Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though. 

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks







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Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

Quentin Christensen
 

Oh OK, I must admit I hadn't looked too much into what other versions of eSpeak where available to download, I apologise!  Interesting, maybe it is something which either doesn't affect XP, or only affects certain SAPI voices.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA.  If you go into the
> synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers
> you have on your system.  Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
> Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.
>
> I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> wrote:
>
>> hi quentin.
>> i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
>> i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
>> i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
>> it.
>> thanks so much and God bless you.
>>
>> On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> > Hi Jim,
>> >
>> > NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change
>> percentage".
>> > The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter,
>> capital
>> > letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
>> > There
>> > are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or
>> to
>> > read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
>> >
>> > The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
>> > pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
>> > then
>> it
>> > does both.
>> >
>> > Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
>> > indicated
>> > by pitch change even without say cap checked).  I'm not sure about
>> > other
>> > synthesizers.
>> >
>> > The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
>> >> please
>> >> forgive me for asking this.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce?
>> For
>> >> instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program
>> >> or
>> >> keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
>> >> more
>> >> specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==========
>> >>
>> >> Jim Homme,
>> >>
>> >> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
>> >>
>> >> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
>> >>
>> >> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
>> >>
>> >> 412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
>> >>
>> >> jhomme@...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
>> >> accessible-technology-solutions
>> >>
>> >> E+R=O
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *
>> >> Gene
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
>> >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
>> letter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on,
>> that
>> >> is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
>> >>
>> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
>> >>
>> >> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> >>
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
>> letter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
>> >> capitals
>> >> helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
>> >> submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
>> >> all,
>> >> and
>> >> slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
>> >> for
>> >> a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
>> >> than
>> >> having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
>> >> capital
>> >> letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
>> >>
>> >> I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
>> unless
>> >> the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
>> >> don't
>> >> hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
>> >> audible
>> >> Cap
>> >> announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
>> >> when
>> >> I'm editing.
>> >>
>> >> Giles
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> > available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> > www.nvaccess.org
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Open Office?

 

also openoffice is become updated but unfortunately one version in the year!
openoffice 4.2.0 is in nightly and openoffice 4.1.4 rc2 is released in
recent days.

On 8/23/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I think the point here is that both these projects are in fact based on the

same code base and whereas Open office seems to have no current active
development or fixes being worked on, the other does, so you are more likely

to get issues resolved as the nvda devs are not going to try to find work
arounds for a dead development string, but will work on Libra as the
developers can be contacted as many issues need to be fixed in the code of
the software, not the screenreader. I hope this is clearer for you.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office?


Sir I asked about Open Office not the other. Stick to the topic!


On 8/22/2017 2:31 PM, Jim Homme wrote:
Hi,
Let me suggest that you try LibreOffice. That project is more up to date.

Please forgive me if I spelled it incorrecctly.

Jim


==========
Jim Homme,
Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
412-787-8567,
jhomme@benderconsult.com
http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-accessible-technology-solutions
E+R=O

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino

Morales
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Open Office?

I don't remember, but doe Open Office work with the current version of
NVDA? Thanks.











--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

If it did, I would think it would flag it when you open the file rather than when you try and save it again.

I have seen LIbreOffice pretty much cripple the system, and actually Don are you still reading this thread?  One of the things I've seen that causes it, is using the mouse, possibly when it triggers tooltips in Libre Office?  Do you happen to be using the mouse when you are saving your document?  Probably not (or it wouldn't be limited to Word 2003 documents), but worth checking.

I haven't found a solution to that btw, except don't touch the mouse in Libre Office.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:05 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i have many doc format, but as you know, i use xp and dont have any
problem to open doc files.
is it possible that windows deffender recognizes libreoffice as
malware and causes problems for it?


On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> The original question from Don was around opening a Word 2003 DOC file (not
> docx) on a Windows 10 computer running NVDA 2017.3rc1 and LibreOffice.  I
> couldn't reproduce the issue on my system, but I didn't have an old Office
> 2003 file, I just made one in Word 2016, and there's all kinds of reasons
> why that might be different.
>
> If anyone has a doc file that reproduces the crash that you can share, feel
> free to send it to me directly (you won't be able to send it on list in any
> case).
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
> bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>
>> Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening
>> with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and
>> maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
>> quentin@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice
>>
>>
>>
>> Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:
>>>
>>> - Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
>>> typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
>>> - Opened LibreOffice Writer.
>>> - Opened the document I'd saved.
>>> - Read through document, added some text.
>>> - Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.
>>>
>>> I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.  Pressing alt
>>> twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and
>>> back
>>> fixed the issue though.
>>>
>>> I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing
>>> at
>>> one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to
>>> reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
>>> anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
>>> move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
>>> expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward
>>> in
>>> the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice
>>> so
>>> not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
>>> LIbreOffice thing.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
>>>> Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
>>>> 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save it as the
>>>> original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing
>>>> a
>>>> hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue with trying to use
>>>> LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available:
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: stopping the word clickable.

 

i could not use screen layout and turned it off in the first day that
i decided to use nvda.
but hearing clickable multiple times is annoying and switching between
clickable checked and unchecked also is not easy.

On 8/23/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
If clickable items are all displayed on separate lines, that's another
reason that use screen layout should be off by default. If someone is a
skilled and experienced enough Internet user to work in situations, such as
some forums, where having use screen layout should be on, the person will be
likely to know about the setting. Defaults should be defined with respect
to new or not very knowledgeable users and most NVDA users won't ever be
very knowledgeable. Such users won't know there is a choice and will be
inconvenienced by not having links on separate lines and not know there is
any alternative.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the
clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element.
This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable. Screen layout in the
default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done. for example, if

there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line.

If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines,

one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around
will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be
changed. If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it
should be checked. Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported. But there are times when you need to know what

is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the
time. Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it

should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how

does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley
site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA

said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying
clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about
changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use
screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts



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Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

 

quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into the
synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers
you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.

I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
it.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Jim,

NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change
percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter,
capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or
to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.

The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
then
it
does both.

Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
other
synthesizers.

The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@benderconsult.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
please
forgive me for asking this.



Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce?
For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program
or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.



Thanks.


Jim





==========

Jim Homme,

Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,

Bender HighTest Accessibility Team

Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,

412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,

jhomme@benderconsult.com

http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
accessible-technology-solutions

E+R=O



*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on,
that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.




Gene

----- Original Message -----



*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.

I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
when
I'm editing.

Giles




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al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

 

hi quentin.
i have many doc format, but as you know, i use xp and dont have any
problem to open doc files.
is it possible that windows deffender recognizes libreoffice as
malware and causes problems for it?

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
The original question from Don was around opening a Word 2003 DOC file (not
docx) on a Windows 10 computer running NVDA 2017.3rc1 and LibreOffice. I
couldn't reproduce the issue on my system, but I didn't have an old Office
2003 file, I just made one in Word 2016, and there's all kinds of reasons
why that might be different.

If anyone has a doc file that reproduces the crash that you can share, feel
free to send it to me directly (you won't be able to send it on list in any
case).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <
bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening
with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and
maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <
quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice



Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt
twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and
back
fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing
at
one point moving through the text. I didn't find a concrete way to
reproduce that. It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything. The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running. Nothing untoward
in
the NVDA log though. I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice
so
not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
2003 document. If I change the document and select to save it as the
original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing
a
hard reboot to clear it. Is this a known issue with trying to use
LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks





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al-islam.org


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

The original question from Don was around opening a Word 2003 DOC file (not docx) on a Windows 10 computer running NVDA 2017.3rc1 and LibreOffice.  I couldn't reproduce the issue on my system, but I didn't have an old Office 2003 file, I just made one in Word 2016, and there's all kinds of reasons why that might be different.

If anyone has a doc file that reproduces the crash that you can share, feel free to send it to me directly (you won't be able to send it on list in any case).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
Was this in windows 10? There have been a number of odd things happening with the latest 10, that seem to randomly crash office 2003 programs, and maybe its more to do with the file format than anything else.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice



Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and
typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.  Pressing alt
twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back
fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at
one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to
reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still
move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I
expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in
the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so
not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general
LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS Office
2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save it as the
original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the point of needing a
hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue with trying to use
LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
Thanks







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Training and Support Manager

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http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
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Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

Quentin Christensen
 

eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA.  If you go into the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other synthesizers you have on your system.  Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.

I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to 0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before it.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change percentage".
> The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter, capital
> letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.  There
> are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep or to
> read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.
>
> The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the capital
> pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and then it
> does both.
>
> Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are indicated
> by pitch change even without say cap checked).  I'm not sure about other
> synthesizers.
>
> The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514
>
> Regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme <jhomme@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so please
>> forgive me for asking this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to reproduce? For
>> instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or program or
>> keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The more
>> specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a fix.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>>
>> Team Lead and Accessibility Consultant,
>>
>> Bender HighTest Accessibility Team
>>
>> Bender Consulting Services, Inc.,
>>
>> 412-787-8567 <(412)%20787-8567>,
>>
>> jhomme@...
>>
>> http://www.benderconsult.com/our%20services/hightest-
>> accessible-technology-solutions
>>
>> E+R=O
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *
>> Gene
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is on, that
>> is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...>
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM
>>
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
>> capitals
>> helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents before I
>> submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to all,
>> and
>> slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the beep
>> for
>> a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line, rather
>> than
>> having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a capital
>> letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.
>>
>> I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all unless
>> the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I don't
>> hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that audible
>> Cap
>> announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's worth
>> when
>> I'm editing.
>>
>> Giles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
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>


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Re: silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Better still, create a profile for Kurzweil and make sure that NVDA is asleep before you save it.  Then it should do it automatically I believe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 15 August 2017 19:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Oh! I’ll have to give that a try!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: August-15-17 11:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Put nvda to sleep by holding down the insert and control keys and press the letter S.

 

Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 12:00 PM

Subject: [nvda] silencing nvda while using kurzweil 1000

 

Hi, is there a way to silence nvda while using an independent speech program like Kurzweil 1000? That way I don’t have two eloquence synths going at once? Which is kind of psychedelic sounding but not very productive.

 

Thanks, Dave


Re: stopping the word clickable.

Gene
 

If clickable items are all displayed on separate lines, that's another reason that use screen layout should be off by default.  If someone is a skilled and experienced enough Internet user to work in situations, such as some forums, where having use screen layout should be on, the person will be likely to know about the setting.  Defaults should be defined with respect to new or not very knowledgeable users and most NVDA users won't ever be very knowledgeable.  Such users won't know there is a choice and will be inconvenienced by not having links on separate lines and not know there is any alternative. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.

One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the
clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element.
This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable.  Screen layout in the
default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done.  for example, if
there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line.
If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines,
one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around
will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be
changed.  If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it
should be checked.  Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported.  But there are times when you need to know what
is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the
time.  Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it
should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how
does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley
site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA
said clickable on several places.  how does she stop the NVDA from saying
clickable over and over on a page.  one member suggested something about
changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use
screen layout off which is of course the default.  any thoughts




Re: stopping the word clickable.

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One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element. This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable. Screen layout in the default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done. for example, if there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line. If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines, one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be changed. If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it should be checked. Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported. But there are times when you need to know what is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the time. Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts