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Skype for Business notifications in latest snapshot

Jacques Stassen <j@...>
 

Hi All

 

I was excited to see that notifications in Skype for Business was added as a new feature since a few snapshots ago. I use this application on a daily basis in my work, but do not currently find that NVDA automatically reports any of the notifications. Below is quoted from the What’s new section:

 

• NVDA now automatically reports notifications in Skype for Business Desktop, such as when someone starts a conversation with you. (#7281)

 

Quentin, if you or anyone else using this application, can confirm what exactly can be expected from this new feature, as well as perhaps Skype for Business specific settings that should be changed in order to get this to work, I’ll really appreciate it. Getting IM’s and other relevant info automatically reported will really make my life a lot easier. Below the specs for the system in question:

 

  • Dell Latitude 5550
  • Windows 10 Enterprise, 64 bit
  • Skype for Business 2016
  • NVDA version: next-14331,f30dd972

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Jacques Stassen

NVDA certified expert | JAWS certified individual

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Re: Open Office?

 

Well you can download a help package from the libre office website and install it which I have done.

On 24/08/2017 5:13 a.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
openoffice is more simple, has less features, but libreoffice supports
for example: many formats like many apple formats, microsoft visio and
publisher which openoffice does not.
both programs have there advantages.
i am not completely sure about my decision.
the best feature of openoffice which i like: are ability to select
which component that we want, less size and the most important one is
its help.
i realy wished that libreoffice had the help of openoffice internally
which explanes all the options and menus of the program!

On 8/23/17, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@utsa.edu> wrote:
No secret I prefer the pace of LibreOffice development, but Apache
OpenOffice is not dead, just glacial.

Developers and QA participants have drifted away but still a solid
offering.

In fact Apache OpenOffice project is wrapping up builds of the 4.1.4 branch
with Release Candidate 2 (rc2) just posted:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ )

The 4.1.3 build was released October 12, 2016 and is available here:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html (
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html )

Stuart


Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

 

This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office or something else entirely.

On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice.. together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be solved because apparently there is no communication between the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003 document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 - 2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003 format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus. Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose focus thing at one point moving through the text.  I didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that.  It's annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or anything.  The focus itself was still in the document, so I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident with NVDA not running.  Nothing untoward in the NVDA log though.  I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc, or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>> wrote:

    Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
    Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and modify a MS
    Office 2003 document.  If I change the document and select to save
    it as the original .doc file type it crashes LibreOffice to the
    point of needing a hard reboot to clear it.  Is this a known issue
    with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office documents?
    Thanks







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Re: stopping the word clickable.

 

Well I'd like to keep it on because you'd never know when there is something that should be clicked.

However is this nvda or windows being buggy and I would really like this repeated clickable fixed.

On 23/08/2017 6:57 p.m., Gene wrote:
How to turn off clickable was discussed later in the thread. As far as hearing it only once is concerned, you can have clickable on or off. It is some sort of bug that causes all these repetitions. Either turn it off and experiment when you can't find a way to do something but see text you think might be clickable, or turn it on when you think you might need it and off the rest of the time.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


i agree.
i want to hear clickable only once, not multiple times.
what should i do?

On 8/23/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
In win10 a lot of stuff say clickable repeatedly is there a way to turn
clickables off so I don't get clickable.

I am happy to hear it once but clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable link really slows the user down.




On 23/08/2017 3:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is no connection between clickable and links. Clickable items are
items that may take an action when you press enter or click on them. They
aren't links. Changing whether clickable is announced has nothing to do
with how you move through links nor what you hear when you encounter a
link. But if you just turn clickable off, there are times when you won't
hear clickable when you need to activate a clickable object to do
something. Sometimes, you activate a clickable object to play audio.
sometimes, to bring up help information, sometimes for other reasons. It
isn't a good idea to have it off all the time.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi




Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following
check box called Clickable then uncheck it.

you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any
how




Gene nz






On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked
how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the
hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first
question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the
NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested
something about changing object presentation. he also said something about
turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any
thoughts




Re: stopping the word clickable.

 

Unsure, it seems to be a win10 thing I use win7 and firefox.

Right now just reformat and install win7 and the problem will be gone seriously though we need to find out exactly what is going on with 10 things on chrome and edge and other brousers read like this.

On 23/08/2017 6:49 p.m., nasrin khaksar wrote:
i agree.
i want to hear clickable only once, not multiple times.
what should i do?

On 8/23/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
In win10 a lot of stuff say clickable repeatedly is there a way to turn
clickables off so I don't get clickable.

I am happy to hear it once but  clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable clickable
clickable clickable clickable link really slows the user down.




On 23/08/2017 3:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is no connection between clickable and links. Clickable items are
items that may take an action when you press enter or click on them. They
aren't links. Changing whether clickable is announced has nothing to do
with how you move through links nor what you hear when you encounter a
link. But if you just turn clickable off, there are times when you won't
hear clickable when you need to activate a clickable object to do
something. Sometimes, you activate a clickable object to play audio.
sometimes, to bring up help information, sometimes for other reasons. It
isn't a good idea to have it off all the time.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi




Check under the document formatting menu in NVDA then locate the following
check box called Clickable then uncheck it.

you will not hear it said now but the letter k will take you to a link any
how




Gene nz






On 23/08/2017 12:20, ken lawrence via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked
how does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the
hadley site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first
question NVDA said clickable on several places. how does she stop the
NVDA from saying clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested
something about changing object presentation. he also said something about
turning use screen layout off which is of course the default. any
thoughts




Re: strange happening with speech recognition.

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Ken,

 

The problem may be the wireless microphone. Could you try recording its output and listening to it? The recording may give you an idea of where the problem is.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 10:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange happening with speech recognition.

 

Hi, am using a plentronics wireless headset microphone and the card is a realtech high definition audio card.  


Re: A QUESTION

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


At present there is no graphics labeler in NVDA.


Is the idea to locate some thing that is not labeled? then give it a name.


the closest thing that would come to mind is the golden cursor it is a add on.


What it actually done was i had a scanner program which was in accessible unless you used a mouse to get to those parts. it allowed me to move the mouse to any position on the screen and then i was able to give it a name then save the position in different parts of the screen i marked. When i then went back into that program i could bring up the list and move the mouse straight to that position.

Then i could get it to scan etc. But i do not think this would do the job? I have found this add on quite useful and have not come across much unlabled stuff.


My self i hope they would put one in as i have a android phone and use the graphics labeler on that from time to time the same i got told is in apple phones jaws has it and windows eyes? if i remember right.



I know there was some work done on it a while ago but do not know what happened to it.


Gene nz

 


On 24/08/2017 01:49, Christo Vorster wrote:

Hi Group

 

Years ago I used Supernova and found it a very usable program. With Supernova, and JAWS it was possible to name buttons.

 

Is there a similar function, if not, would it be possible to incorporate such function in NVDA?

 

It would be fantastic if it might be possible.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (South Africa)

 

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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Gene
 

In the last roughly month, there were two similar threads as I recall.  I'm not sure if this is the same problem but I believe that people in two separate threads, said that they had new computers, and had problems with NVDA and I believe, Firefox or perhaps browsers in general.  If I understand what you are saying, all the computers you've tried have been the same manufacturer and perhaps the same model.  I may be wrong and the previous threads may not apply but it might be very helpful if those who began the previous threads stated the problems again and what brand and model they had the problems on.  I am becoming suspicious that a certain company may be using a defective copy of what is transferred onto one or more models of their machines.  I don't know the technical term but, I'm sure a company puts the identical image on all the hard drives of the same model of machine.  So, if something isn't there or isn't registered in the image, then every machine of that model would have the same problem. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

I have tried it on another computer but the same make and model,   this
won't be the problem,   I got it from ninite.com and I have the
installer from filehippo.com as well I have got rid of nvda and ff and
reinstalled no luck.

On 23/08/2017 00:23, Andre Fisher wrote:
> A couple questions:
>
>  1. Did you uninstall Office recently?
>  2. Do you have any other screen readers besides Narraor?
>  3. Where did you download this version of Firefox?
>
> The reason for asking these questions is simple, nobody is facing these
> issues you are currently facing, so it’s doubtful that the developers
> even know about it. You need to provide additional information to
> diagnose the problem. Have you tried it on other types of systems?
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
> <mailto:the.big.white.shepherd@...>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:29 PM
> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda
>
> Hi,   I use defender and it just works,   but still having these pesky
>
> problems when testing the RC version I sure hope they catch this before
>
> the next version hits the masses!
>
> On 22/08/2017 20:06, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
>
>  > I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.
>
>  >
>
>  > Take care all.
>
>  >> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>
>  >> <mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
>
>  >>
>
>  >> Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> hitman is made by sophos now.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay
>
>  >> expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay
>
>  >> accessible though.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other
>
>  >> words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> Thats the way its going to have to be.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something
>
>  >> that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want
>
>  >> something I can control and configure easily and I want something
>
>  >> which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted
>
>  >> things.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit
>
>  >> unless I need to msse does that.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard
>
>  >> controls, etc.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others
>
>  >> I want something low cost to.
>
>  >>
>
>  >> An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >> On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:
>
>  >>> Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried
>
>  >>> that files have been removed.  Does the program quaranteen files or
>
>  >>> just remove them?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Also, does the person have system restore points from before the
>
>  >>> problem started?
>
>  >>> And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just
>
>  >>> unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the
>
>  >>> time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will
>
>  >>> restore the files?  I don't know enough about repairing Windows or
>
>  >>> having Windows replace missing files to comment further.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Gene
>
>  >>> ----- Original Message -----
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> From: Tony Ballou
>
>  >>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM
>
>  >>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
>  >>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and
> nvda
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Hi Gene,
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated
>
>  >>> her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work
>
>  >>> well until I went into firefox.  I'm testing the same set of
>
>  >>> scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same
>
>  >>> problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted
>
>  >>> partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten
>
>  >>> things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to
>
>  >>> the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this
>
>  >>> happens.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   Hi Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem
>
>  >>> but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a
>
>  >>> attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others.
>
>  >>> I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some
>
>  >>> patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to
>
>  >>> save a restore point in windows.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   Gene nz
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Hey Gene,
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come
> into
>
>  >>> play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners earlier
>
>  >>> today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the
>
>  >>> solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>
>  >>> Hi Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at
>
>  >>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but
>
>  >>> think it is for windows 7 or 8.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> 8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following
> command:
>
>  >>> c:\windows\system32\regsvr32
>
>  >>> c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
>
>  >>> 9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:
>
>  >>> c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32
>
>  >>> c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Gene nz
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:
>
>  >>> Hey Gene,
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with
>
>  >>> edge.  However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking
>
>  >>> about in Firefox .
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>
>  >>> Hi tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers
>
>  >>> is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web
> page? did
>
>  >>> the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5
>
>  >>> key and see if it plays nicely?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda
> speak any
>
>  >>> of the programs there?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as
>
>  >>> you arrow down it?
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab
>
>  >>> into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for
>
>  >>> mozilla fire fox.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Gene nz
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:
>
>  >>> howdy mates
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along
>
>  >>> with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement
>
>  >>> that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the
>
>  >>> page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.
>
>  >>> Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very
>
>  >>> strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and
>
>  >>> NVda.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>> Tony
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>   --
>
>  >>>       Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness
>
>  >>> related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of
>
>  >>> where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites
>
>  >>> you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
>
>  >>> computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you
>
>  >>> please visit
>
>  >>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>
>  >>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>
>  >>> near you, please visit the following link
>
>  >>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>
>  >>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
>
>  >>> world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>>
>
>  >>
>
>  >>
>
>  >
>
>  >
>
>



Re: Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

Kevin Cussick
 

I have not used this before and I hear it is a bit of a pain so I suppose it won't be fixed for me on the next version of nvda and it is an nvda problem as windows built in screen reader works just fine and the stable version works as well.

On 23/08/2017 08:24, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It is indeed strange. You really need to raise an issue in github. It has to be done by somebody with the same problem as you as it seems only some are affected by this issue.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken

thanks but I am not using the same version as you and as I keep saying it works perfectly with nvda version 2017.2 but not with the RC using 32 bit fire fox windows10 home 64bit this is getting very frustrating now.

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55 works well in all versions for me, only 56 has the focus at start up issue from my point of view.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken


Hi, went to about firefox and it says 55.02 32 bit I hope this helps in some way but as I have said using the stable version of nvda it works perfectly well.

On 21/08/2017 15:59, Andre Fisher wrote:
Is this 32 bit or 64 bit Firefox. It appears a bug needs to be filed. Which version of Firefox. Please send an actual number, with steps to reproduce. This seems serious.

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Hi, agreed but I am using the latest version it works with the stable

version of nvda but not the RC and now this is on 2 computers now.

On 21/08/2017 11:54, Gene wrote:

If it didn't happen in the previous version of Firefox, why would
this

be an NVDA bug? It may be that NVDA will have to be modified
because of

a change in Firefox, but I would think the logical cause would be
Firefox.

Gene
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*Subject:* [nvda] Firefox has updated to 56 and its broken
It just did this and now it opens in some kind of bookmark panel.
One has to tab to find the actual displayed page. I am thinking
this is a

Firefox bug. Toolbar for bookmarks is definitely off.
Anyone else noticed this?
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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Kevin Cussick
 

I have tried it on another computer but the same make and model, this won't be the problem, I got it from ninite.com and I have the installer from filehippo.com as well I have got rid of nvda and ff and reinstalled no luck.

On 23/08/2017 00:23, Andre Fisher wrote:
A couple questions:
1. Did you uninstall Office recently?
2. Do you have any other screen readers besides Narraor?
3. Where did you download this version of Firefox?
The reason for asking these questions is simple, nobody is facing these issues you are currently facing, so it’s doubtful that the developers even know about it. You need to provide additional information to diagnose the problem. Have you tried it on other types of systems?
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Hi,   I use defender and it just works,   but still having these pesky
problems when testing the RC version I sure hope they catch this before
the next version hits the masses!
On 22/08/2017 20:06, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

> I just use MSE, I don't really use anything else, it just works.

>

> Take care all.

>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com

>> <mailto:sm.everiss@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>

>> Well to be honest I'd just reinstall windows.

>>

>> hitman is made by sophos now.

>>

>> I am still searching for a good antivirus, I'd prefur not to pay

>> expensive subscriptions for something that may or may not stay

>> accessible though.

>>

>> And if it is accessible, I want it to be msse accessible in other

>> words, I want it to fully work with either an addon or not.

>>

>> Thats the way its going to have to be.

>>

>> Msse is good access wize, but protection wize well I want something

>> that is easy to put exclusions for blind games and the like, I want

>> something I can control and configure easily and I want something

>> which performs and does not bog down the system or add extra unwanted

>> things.

>>

>> I also want to trust my security program and not have to bother withit

>> unless I need to msse does that.

>>

>> I need something with a accessible interface that uses standard

>> controls, etc.

>>

>> If it needs to be a subscription for my 3 pc network and maybe others

>> I want something low cost to.

>>

>> An entire suite will be nice I guess but its not needed.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> On 22/08/2017 2:21 p.m., Gene wrote:

>>> Maybe files have been unregistered by the program but I'd be worried

>>> that files have been removed.  Does the program quaranteen files or

>>> just remove them?

>>>

>>> Also, does the person have system restore points from before the

>>> problem started?

>>> And if files have been removed that are Windows files, not just

>>> unregistered, and if no restore points are available from before the

>>> time the problem started, is there a way to repair Windows that will

>>> restore the files?  I don't know enough about repairing Windows or

>>> having Windows replace missing files to comment further.

>>>

>>> Gene

>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>>

>>> From: Tony Ballou

>>> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2017 8:48 PM

>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and
nvda

>>>

>>>

>>> Hi Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> I think I know what's happened. While at my friend's house we updated

>>> her hitman pro antivirus to the latest version and all seemed to work

>>> well until I went into firefox.  I'm testing the same set of

>>> scenarios on my system here at home and have gotten the exact same

>>> problems that she has. I've sent the information on to my sighted

>>> partner and between the 2 of us we should be able to straighten

>>> things out. We will also put together a piece on this and send it to

>>> the folks who make the antivirus program to let them know that this

>>> happens.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>> On 8/21/2017 8:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>>

>>>   Hi Tony

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   I know the first email from off my website that fixed my problem

>>> but it has to be done exactly the way it was sent.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   The later one for windows 10 i was not aware of until i posted a

>>> attachments and jamie pointed me towards the comments on the others.

>>> I see they were for windows 7 and 8 and 10 and there were some

>>> patches but i think they were for 7 and 8?

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   hopefully they get it sorted. If or when it fixes it get them to

>>> save a restore point in windows.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   Gene nz

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   On 22/08/2017 12:49, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>>

>>> Hey Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>> Thanks for this information mate. Because registry editing may come
into

>>> play, I explained what was happening in Firefox to my partners earlier

>>> today. I've sent them the stuff you gave me and we will give the

>>> solutions a try. I'll keep you posted on how things workout.

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> On 8/20/2017 5:45 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>> Hi Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> the link to the page where the other fixes are can be found at

>>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

>>>

>>>

>>> This is what i just copied off it and there looks to be a reg patch but

>>> think it is for windows 7 or 8.

>>>

>>>

>>> 8. On Windows 10 (both 32 and 64 bit), also enter the following
command:

>>> c:\windows\system32\regsvr32

>>> c:\windows\system32\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll

>>> 9. On Windows 10 64 bit, also enter the following command:

>>> c:\windows\syswow64\regsvr32

>>> c:\windows\syswow64\OneCoreCommonProxyStub.dll

>>>

>>>

>>> Gene nz

>>>

>>> On 21/08/2017 09:13, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>> Hey Gene,

>>>

>>>

>>> It has said unknown in Thunderbird yes indeed. I haven't played with

>>> edge.  However, I am seeing many of those symptoms that you're talking

>>> about in Firefox .

>>>

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>> On 8/20/2017 5:05 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

>>> Hi tony

>>>

>>>

>>> can you tell me if nvda is doing any of the following? In all browsers

>>> is he saying unknown or will not speak the contents of the web
page? did

>>> the page fully load try the f5 key to do this or use the nvda key + f5

>>> key and see if it plays nicely?

>>>

>>> Does he work in microsoft edge and read out the contents?

>>>

>>>

>>> Down on the running application area on the task bar does nvda
speak any

>>> of the programs there?

>>>

>>>

>>> When you hit the applications key does nvda speak any of the menus as

>>> you arrow down it?

>>>

>>>

>>> If you are running mozilla thunder bird does it say unknown as you tab

>>> into it or try to get to messages or the menus it would be the same for

>>> mozilla fire fox.

>>>

>>>

>>> Gene nz

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On 21/08/2017 08:32, Tony Ballou wrote:

>>> howdy mates

>>>

>>> for some reason nVDA and firefox are having quite a time getting along

>>> with each other now.  When web pages come up you get the announcement

>>> that the page is up, however, nothing else works. Tabbing through the

>>> page for links, browse mode keystrokes, everything appears to be shot.

>>> Does anyone know what happened, and a fix for it if there is one? Very

>>> strange indeed.  using the latest versions of both windows 10 pro and

>>> NVda.

>>>

>>> Tony

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>   --

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>>> related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of

>>> where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites

>>> you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their

>>> computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you

>>> please visit

>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

>>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert

>>> near you, please visit the following link

>>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains

>>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the

>>> world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>

>


Re: Default vs Temporary Dictionary #addonrelease

Gene
 

I don't know why but there have been one or two occasions when I've had the same thing happen.  Putting a certain word or phrase in the default dictionary does nothing but in other dictionaries does.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 1:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] Default vs Temporary Dictionary #addonrelease

Hi all, I've just noticed a strange happening when using the temporary dictionary and the default dictionary, and I can't think of a reason why this might happen.

I often find frames on websites where NVDA says “about:srcdoc” This happens on many different websites, but this is the one I'm finding it on this evening: http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/register.php

I thought I'd try putting about:srcdoc into the temporary dictionary with nothing in the replacement field, to see if it would stop NVDA saying that, and it worked fine on that Pinkfish Media website. So I deleted it out of the temporary dictionary and added it to the default dictionary with exactly the same criteria (not case sensitive, and appearing anywhere), but now it has gone back to saying “about:srcdoc”.

Out of curiosity I moved it to the voice dictionary and once again it is back to keeping silent when it encounters the text about:srcdoc.

Does anybody have any idea why it works in the temporary and voice dictionaries but not in the default dictionary?

Thanks,
Giles


Re: Default vs Temporary Dictionary #addonrelease

Giles Turnbull
 

apologies for inadvertantly taggingg this as an addin release, I don't know how I did that and can't figure out how to remove it!


Default vs Temporary Dictionary #addonrelease

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi all, I've just noticed a strange happening when using the temporary dictionary and the default dictionary, and I can't think of a reason why this might happen.

I often find frames on websites where NVDA says “about:srcdoc” This happens on many different websites, but this is the one I'm finding it on this evening: http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/register.php

I thought I'd try putting about:srcdoc into the temporary dictionary with nothing in the replacement field, to see if it would stop NVDA saying that, and it worked fine on that Pinkfish Media website. So I deleted it out of the temporary dictionary and added it to the default dictionary with exactly the same criteria (not case sensitive, and appearing anywhere), but now it has gone back to saying “about:srcdoc”.

Out of curiosity I moved it to the voice dictionary and once again it is back to keeping silent when it encounters the text about:srcdoc.

Does anybody have any idea why it works in the temporary and voice dictionaries but not in the default dictionary?

Thanks,
Giles


Re: How Do I Join A Subgroup

Stephanie Watts
 

Hi Jim,
 
What subgroup are you trying to join?
 
Kind regards,
Stephanie


Re: Open Office?

V Stuart Foote
 

They both are iaccessible2 based implementations and depend on NVDAs iaccessible2 module just as the Mozilla components do.  An Extension to enhance things for NVDA users would be nice of course.

As to LibreOffices "off-line" a.k.a. "built-in" help, it must be downloaded separately to the program installer and then installed.  Absent the "off-line" help installation, the help dialogs will open in a Web browser, also the content of the "off-line" help becomes the content of the "Extended tips" that will sound with NVDA and other assistive technology tools.

Once installed, for exposure to Assistive Technology tools, users need to enable "extended tips" from the Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice -> General configuration tab. It is a checkbox.


Re: voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a letter

 

i downloaded sapi5 from
www.espeak.sf.net

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Oh OK, I must admit I hadn't looked too much into what other versions of
eSpeak where available to download, I apologise! Interesting, maybe it is
something which either doesn't affect XP, or only affects certain SAPI
voices.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

quentin, i also installed sapi5 version of espeak, beside espeak which
is used in nvda and pitch change works for me with bad quality of
capital letters.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
eSpeak is the default synthesizer that comes with NVDA. If you go into
the
synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s, you can change to other
synthesizers
you have on your system. Microsoft Speech API Version 5 (and on XP
Microsoft Speech API Version 4) are different to eSpeak.

I'm glad the conversation found you a useful setting in any case!

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:59 PM, nasrin khaksar <
nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi quentin.
i tested sapi5 version of espeak and i dont have this problem with it.
i dont like the quality of pitch changes in espeak sapi5 and set it to
0.
i also set 0% pitch change in espeak normal and checked say cap before
it.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 8/23/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Jim,

NVDA has a voice settings option called "capital pitch change
percentage".
The idea being that as you are typing or reading letter by letter,
capital
letters are read in a higher (or lower) pitch to distinguish them.
There
are several other options for distinguishing capitals, being to beep
or
to
read "cap", all of which can be set independently of each other.

The issue is that when using either OneCore or SAPI voices, the
capital
pitch change option is ignored UNLESS say cap is also checked - and
then
it
does both.

Using eSpeak, the options all work as they should (capitals are
indicated
by pitch change even without say cap checked). I'm not sure about
other
synthesizers.

The issue I filed is: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7514

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 4:27 AM, Jim Homme
<jhomme@benderconsult.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I subscribed to this list in the middle of this conversation, so
please
forgive me for asking this.



Can the person who had the problem please give me steps to
reproduce?
For
instance, I may be using a different synthesizer or voice or
program
or
keyboard or whatever, and I won’t be able to produce the issue. The
more
specific, the easier it is going to be to enter the bug and get a
fix.



Thanks.


Jim





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Of
*
Gene
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:25 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



If change in pitch isn't audible unless some other indication is
on,
that
is a bug and evidently is now being looked into.




Gene

----- Original Message -----



*From:* Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:19 PM

*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

*Subject:* Re: [nvda] voice pitch not changing when capitalizing a
letter



I agree that it's when I'm proof reading that I find the beep for
capitals
helpful. I have a configuration profile for editing documents
before
I
submit them anywhere, in which I have the punctuation level set to
all,
and
slow the speed down a little, and it would be helpful to have the
beep
for
a capital sounding as I move through the document line by line,
rather
than
having to navigate to the specific place where there should be a
capital
letter so I can hear the beep as I move by character.

I don't believe the change in pitch for capitals is audible at all
unless
the Say Cap for Capitals seting is on. Even with it set to 100, I
don't
hear any change in pitch with Microsoft Zira voice without that
audible
Cap
announcement and, for me, that's more of a distraction than it's
worth
when
I'm editing.

Giles




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Re: Open Office?

 

hi.
openoffice is more simple, has less features, but libreoffice supports
for example: many formats like many apple formats, microsoft visio and
publisher which openoffice does not.
both programs have there advantages.
i am not completely sure about my decision.
the best feature of openoffice which i like: are ability to select
which component that we want, less size and the most important one is
its help.
i realy wished that libreoffice had the help of openoffice internally
which explanes all the options and menus of the program!

On 8/23/17, V Stuart Foote <vstuart.foote@utsa.edu> wrote:
No secret I prefer the pace of LibreOffice development, but Apache
OpenOffice is not dead, just glacial.

Developers and QA participants have drifted away but still a solid
offering.

In fact Apache OpenOffice project is wrapping up builds of the 4.1.4 branch
with Release Candidate 2 (rc2) just posted:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ (
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/binaries/ )

The 4.1.3 build was released October 12, 2016 and is available here:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html (
https://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html )

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Re: How Do I Join A Subgroup

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Just a few days ago here there was a discussion on this. I think that if you get the syntax right you can join by email like a normal group, but finding the info on the groups.io web site was a bit difficult if you were not able to figure out the terminology.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How Do I Join A Subgroup


Do you have an groups.io account? If so, I can look and see how to subscribe to subgroups. As I recall, when you are on the page for a group, there is a button that says subgroups. following it shows the subgroups you can join for that group. If you have an account, you may be taken to the messages page when you go to the group page. Somewhere near the top of the page, as I recall, is a link to go to the main page of the group. It may just say the name of the group as a link. I can check if my recollection isn't correct.

If your specific intent is to join a subgroup of this list, we may be able to send you the e-mail subscribe address.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Homme
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How Do I Join A Subgroup


Hi,

The subject says it. I can't seem to figure out how to join a subgroup of the main group. Can anyone please tell me how or point me to the right information?



Thanks.



Jim





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Re: A QUESTION

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think I saw an add on that was supposed to do this, but I'm not sure how useful it is in web sites etc.
Presumably it needs unique identifiers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo Vorster" <christo.vorster@pioneerschool.org.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] A QUESTION


Hi Group



Years ago I used Supernova and found it a very usable program. With
Supernova, and JAWS it was possible to name buttons.



Is there a similar function, if not, would it be possible to incorporate
such function in NVDA?



It would be fantastic if it might be possible.



Regards



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Re: stopping the word clickable.

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What is needed here is some way to allow any checkbox to be altered while on certain web pages etc. I'm not sure this is possible due to the possible differences in web addresses.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


i could not use screen layout and turned it off in the first day that
i decided to use nvda.
but hearing clickable multiple times is annoying and switching between
clickable checked and unchecked also is not easy.

On 8/23/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
If clickable items are all displayed on separate lines, that's another
reason that use screen layout should be off by default. If someone is a
skilled and experienced enough Internet user to work in situations, such as
some forums, where having use screen layout should be on, the person will be
likely to know about the setting. Defaults should be defined with respect
to new or not very knowledgeable users and most NVDA users won't ever be
very knowledgeable. Such users won't know there is a choice and will be
inconvenienced by not having links on separate lines and not know there is
any alternative.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 2:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


One issue for some is that wne several clickables are on a line, the
clickable seems to all be spoken together not at each clickable element.
This is where having every clickable element on a new line can add clarity.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Screen layout has nothing to do with clickable. Screen layout in the
default setting, shows the screen layout if it can be done. for example, if

there are two or more links on one line, they will all be shown on one line.

If the setting is changed, then links will each be shown on separate lines,

one for each link.

To turn off clickable announcements, In object navigation, tabbing around
will have a check box about reporting clicable objects and it should be
changed. If its checked now, it should be unchecked or if unchecked, it
should be checked. Then tab to and activate the ok button.

Clickable won't be reported. But there are times when you need to know what

is clickable on web pages so this setting shouldn't be left off all the
time. Especially if you are on a page and don't see how to do something, it

should be turned on.

Gene

----- Original Message -----From: ken lawrence via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] stopping the word clickable.


Hi listers. ken here with a question. a user of out-of-sight just asked how

does she stop NVDA from saying the word clickable. she was on the hadley
site and she was taking a test and before she got to the first question NVDA

said clickable on several places. how does she stop the NVDA from saying
clickable over and over on a page. one member suggested something about
changing object presentation. he also said something about turning use
screen layout off which is of course the default. any thoughts




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