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Re: a good program for reading pdf files

Chris Mullins
 

Acrobat Reader DC is very good,it's free and they have put some effort into accessibility.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby Vinton
Sent: 26 August 2017 19:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a good program for reading pdf files

hay I was wondering if any of you know of a good program for reading and opening PDF files. I don't know if adobe still works or if you have to pay for it. Just let me know.


Re: NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow

 

I do notice this sometimes on win10 aniversery updating to creaters fixed that.

The other thing, if I am on twitter, with firefox, plus start bt sync and then dropbox, or something nvda will semi loose focus and not read everything past the start button correctly when you hit keys and acts completely stupid till I restart nvda.

This doesn't happen often enough that I get concerned.

I can avoid most of this if I don't run firefox when I run the other programs and I don't need those running all the day long same with skype so I am unsure for those that do.

I run my bt sync, skype and dropbox and other things only when I need to, most of the time I have one window open at once or 2 a roleover from my dos days I guess.

Even though I can I loose focus myself if I have to much open.

On 26/08/2017 11:41 p.m., Quentin Christensen wrote:
Are you doing anything in particular when it happens (Using Outlook,
Firefox, calculator, etc?) and are you using NVDA 2017.3?

Anything else you can think of about your system or what you are doing that
might help - and anything that has changed recently.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Brenduh <brenduh@...> wrote:

Hello,
I'm new to NVDA and it has been freezing up and running incredibly laggy
when it does work. I have a core i 7 laptop with 16gb of memory and a huge
hard drive. I'm running windows 10. Any suggestions is appreciated.
Brenda



Re: a good program for reading pdf files

Roger Stewart
 

The Adobe Reader is still around and is still free. I also like PDF2txt as well.

Roger

On 8/26/2017 1:28 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
hay I was wondering if any of you know of a good program for reading and opening PDF files. I don't know if adobe still works or if you have to pay for it. Just let me know.




a good program for reading pdf files

Bobby Vinton
 

hay I was wondering if any of you know of a good program for reading and opening PDF files.  I don't know if adobe still works or if you have to pay for it.  Just let me know.


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Joe_L
 

Fixed (I think!) - in my case it was 64 bit Firefox causing the problem, when I uninstalled this and installed 32bit  Firefox it seems much better.

It seems the latest versions of Firefox push a 64 bit install onto any 64 bit operating system. Could this explain why people using the beta saw the problem? In my case it was a new install of FF onto my Win 10 laptop so it gave me the 64 bit version. After uninstalling and a reboot for good measure it took some hunting to find the real 32 bit download (there's a link on the main mozilla download landing page that still installed a 64 bit version).

Hope this helps,
Joe


Re: Creating backups of dvd's?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

There's also anyburn which you can get from www.anyburn.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Creating backups of dvd's?

hello.
you can use burnaware free.
you can use most of features without paying any charge, its free for home users, its accessible for screen reader users.
it also supports the feature that you need for free.

www.burnaware.com
God bless you and hope that my answer helps you.

On 8/26/17, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
I use iso recorder.
Only thing is if the disc has any kind of copy protection on it it
will not create the iso image.
You could look at any dvd, which basically plays the disc through it
and removes the copy protection.
I don’t know how much it is now, but it really works and I use the two
together when needed with no trouble.
Good luck and let me know if need any more help.
Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Matt Turner
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 7:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Creating backups of dvd's?

Hi folks. I'm trying to create a iso file from all of my dvd's i bought.

I'm using any burn. When i start copying to a image, i get a arer
message. something about IO.

Anyone no of and easier way?









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Re: windows 7 and new n v d a release

Arlene
 

Hi, I'm using win 7 home addition. I downloaded the latest version of NVDA. It works just fine. Yes it does benefit win ten. There's no reason why it wont work for 7. If you hear something like windows app ignore it its just for ten. It does work for 7.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mcLeod stinnett
Sent: August-26-17 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 7 and new n v d a release


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from mack using win 7 64 bit. sounds like the new release primarily benefits win 10 users. I am using 2017.1 and it works just fine. any compelling reason to update at this time. thanks.


Please, question about windows one core voices and registry entries.

Leo
 

hi, please I need this information.

from waht registry entries keys is n v d a calling these microsoft mobile voices?

all I need to know is the location of these entries to search for them on the registry.

any help here would be great.


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Re: windows 7 and new n v d a release

 

Hi,
A less talked about feature in 2017.3 is ability to move between spelling errors in Microsoft Word (W/Shift+W), along with significant changes to braille output, and of course, braille input. Although I haven't found a way to do it, I still would like to let Windows 7 and 8.x users hear sounds when suggestions appear, and for Windows 8.x, treat Start screen suggestion items the same way as Windows 10 Start menu suggestions (it is doable).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] windows 7 and new n v d a release


--
from mack using win 7 64 bit. sounds like the new release primarily benefits win 10 users. I am using 2017.1 and it works just fine. any compelling reason to update at this time. thanks.


windows 7 and new n v d a release

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
from mack using win 7 64 bit. sounds like the new release primarily benefits win 10 users. I am using 2017.1 and it works just fine. any compelling reason to update at this time. thanks.


Re: NVDA 2017.3 released

 

Hi,

In theory, yes.

I’ll write a more general FAQ regarding Windows 10 features and NVDA in the next post that should answer most questions regarding new features introduced in NVDA 2017.3. For developers, a specific version will be sent to you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

 

Hi can you use these voices in windows seven?

 

 

 

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 6:31 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

 

Hi

 

If you are interested I have the speech platform synth and voices in my drop box account. You need to install the synth run time thingy first then the tts voices after.

 

The link to the drop box account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0

They are in a zip format at present but after the synth run time thingy has been installed there are quite a few different voices and languages to pick from.

 

I do also have the speech hub package if you want it as well but the add on will have to be installed as well. I can give directions for that one but they are in english for voices etc. Just let me know if you are interested in this one to.

 

gene nz

 

 

On 26/08/2017 01:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:

so I am stuck with espeak or how do I get new voices with NVDA I use
windos 7 pro
 
On 8/25/17, Antony Stone mailto:antony.stone@... wrote:
Which extra voices do you mean?
 
If you are running Windows 10, you already have the OneCore voices.
 
If you are not running Windows 10, those voices are not available.
 
I've never heard of any extra voices for OneCore other than those included
as
standard with Windows 10.
 
 
Antony.
 
On Friday 25 August 2017 at 15:29:12, Gary Metzler wrote:
 
Hi Quentin,
 
How can I get the extra voices for one core?  thanks for any help.
 
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
 
Thank-you Zahra,
 
And to you also!
 
Quentin.
 
On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:34 AM, nasrin khaksar
mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...
wrote:
 
  thanks quentin for posting this.
 
  On 8/25/17, Rosemarie Chavarria mailto:knitqueen2007@... wrote:
  > I just got it.
  >
  > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
  > Quentin Christensen
  > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:53 PM
  > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  > Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
  >
  > Hi everyone,
  >
  > NVDA 2017.3 is out!  Highlights of this release include input of
  > contracted braille, support for new Windows OneCore voices available
  > on Windows 10, in-built support for Windows 10 OCR, and many
  > significant improvements regarding Braille and the web.
  >
  > Release notes and download links at:
  > https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-3-now-available-for-download/
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Re: Multiple posts almost exactly the same in a thread from the same person. was whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

Laz
 

Yes that can get very annoying and I tend to just ignore messages from
those who do that sort of thing constantly. Especially since they
appear to also ignore responses and just cntinue to vacuously send the
same message again and again. I recall on a different list one of
these people was told to please stop doing that by someone who was
obviously quite irritated by it.

On 8/26/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
OK this is probably going to sound a bit daft coming from one of the main

offenders of this here, but at least I can see it happening to others and
want to help keep the peace!

Hi could I ask that when you have comments on one thread, that you put them

into as few posts as possible. I know I've been accused of running off
comments as if this is a chat line and it irritates others and generates
lots of messages crossing over each other with similar content as well.

Make a mental note of replies in your thread and put them into one reply or

as few as possible. also do not change the meaning of a subject thread
without trying to indicate in the subject line that its morphed a bit.
I'm mindful of those who have to wade through these and may then mask out
your messages and then never see one that might be relevant later on.
I'm going back to sleep now.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo" <ochikodinaka@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


I don't like e speak any otheOther tts voices

On 8/25/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
yes.
espeak supports farsi.
but i have also another farsi tts that needs sapi5 english voice to
work.
i want english voice to use with my farsi tts.

On 8/25/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
<ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
I need hq or free free NVDA voices or voices for my PC

On 8/25/17, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
<ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
NVDA peo where can I get free hc or free n v d a. voices?

On 8/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But your subject line asks what's the best voice for English. I
don't
know
where you might get information about farsi voices. Does E-Speak
support
farsi? If so, there is a SAPI 5 version of ESpeak.

You could look up different synthesizers doing Google searches such
as
DecTalk farsi. But perhaps a better way in terms of efficiency to
find
something is to do a Google search for something like speech
synthesizer
farsi or free speech synthesizer farsi and see what results you
get.
You
might change your subject line and ask the question again here. Your
initial subject line may have caused those who may know about farsi
to
skip
the question.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 2:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


i am not sure which one i should use.
i want a sapi5 voice to use with my farsi tts.
i dont want addons which cant support my farsi tts.

On 8/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I just played a bit with the voices I mentioned in my last message.
I
had
remembered incorrectly. They are both bad. I'm not sure f one is
better
than the other. Those who are curious can compare and see what you
think.
What synthesizers people like is subjective and quite variable but I
consider these both to be quite poor quality.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 1:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


it's not hard to fined something better than Microsoft Sam. That's
not
saying much, to say that a voice is better than one of the worst
ones.
I
played with two free voices and I don't like either but they are
better,
as
are most voices, than Microsoft Sam. The better of the two I played
with
is
Softvoice.
The worse of the two is Svox pico synthesizer. These are both NVDA
Add
Ons
so and I think you said you want SAPI 5 voices. Being add ons, they
are
limited to NVDA. I believe a lot of the free voices on the NVDA
page
are
add ons but I haven't looked at enough to know that, it's just my
suspicion.
I believe you said you want a voice to use with other programs than
NVDA.
If so, neither voice I discussed will be suitable.

All I can say is that you can look at the voices and see if any
might
meet
your needs, then try them.

The NVDA page with voices is
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 12:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


i should try.
i did not test until now.
which one did you test and mentioned its better than my current
sapi5
voice
sam?

On 8/25/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Have you looked at the voicews on the NVDA page that lists a lot of
voices?
There are many free ones and many you pay for. I have no idea if
you
would
consider any of the free ones satisfactory. I haven't tried many.
The
ones
I've tried, I thought weren't very good but they may be bettter
than
what
you are using now. And what people like in terms of speech is
subjective
and varies widely.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


You'll probably have to buy other voices because you can't get
microsoft
Anna for XP. It only comes with windows 7.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
nasrin
khaksar
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

sam is realy terrible.
i realy cant use it and wish to find another voice.

On 8/25/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
XP comes with microsoft Sam.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

yes brian.
i want to use them on xp, but i wish supporting in all windows
versions.
where can i download microsoft anna?
does it support xp as well as other versions of windows?

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However these only work on windows 10 as far as I'm aware.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?


It's part of the one-core voices that are now in NVDA.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
mr.
Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

how do I get the voice Microsoft mark and other voices

On 8/24/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I like the one-core voices. My favorite one is microsoft Mark.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
nasrin khaksar
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] whats the best sapi5 voice for english?

hello every one.
i want to find one free, understandable, responsive voice sapi5
version to use in my sapi5 programs.
which voice should i use and from where, can i download it?
God bless you and thanks so much for your help.

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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Arno Schuh
 

Hi,

Am Samstag, 26. August 2017 13:17 schrieb Gene <gsasner@...>:
Firefox is accessible in XP and in all later versions of Windows
unless there is a technical problem.
That's because there is no later version than 52.x running with XP. And so WebVisum still runs fine with XP.

Yours sincerely

Arno


Re: NVDA 2017.3 released

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi can you use these voices in windows seven?
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
 

Hi

 

If you are interested I have the speech platform synth and voices in my drop box account. You need to install the synth run time thingy first then the tts voices after.

 

The link to the drop box account is https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0

They are in a zip format at present but after the synth run time thingy has been installed there are quite a few different voices and languages to pick from.

 

I do also have the speech hub package if you want it as well but the add on will have to be installed as well. I can give directions for that one but they are in english for voices etc. Just let me know if you are interested in this one to.

 

gene nz

 


On 26/08/2017 01:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
so I am stuck with espeak or how do I get new voices with NVDA I use
windos 7 pro

On 8/25/17, Antony Stone mailto:antony.stone@... wrote:
Which extra voices do you mean?

If you are running Windows 10, you already have the OneCore voices.

If you are not running Windows 10, those voices are not available.

I've never heard of any extra voices for OneCore other than those included
as
standard with Windows 10.


Antony.

On Friday 25 August 2017 at 15:29:12, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Quentin,

How can I get the extra voices for one core?  thanks for any help.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

Thank-you Zahra,

And to you also!

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:34 AM, nasrin khaksar
mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...
wrote:

  thanks quentin for posting this.

  On 8/25/17, Rosemarie Chavarria mailto:knitqueen2007@... wrote:
  > I just got it.
  >
  > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
  > Quentin Christensen
  > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:53 PM
  > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
  > Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
  >
  > Hi everyone,
  >
  > NVDA 2017.3 is out!  Highlights of this release include input of
  > contracted braille, support for new Windows OneCore voices available
  > on Windows 10, in-built support for Windows 10 OCR, and many
  > significant improvements regarding Braille and the web.
  >
  > Release notes and download links at:
  > https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-3-now-available-for-download/
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Casey


Re: NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow

Gene
 

Also, from the way your message is written, it isn't clear if the performance problems only happen when you run NVDA or if they occur in general.  You said you are new to NVDA but you didn't say if these are general problems or only present when you run NVDA.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow

Are you doing anything in particular when it happens (Using Outlook, Firefox, calculator, etc?) and are you using NVDA 2017.3?

Anything else you can think of about your system or what you are doing that might help - and anything that has changed recently.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Brenduh <brenduh@...> wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to NVDA and it has been freezing up and running incredibly laggy when it does work.  I have a core i 7 laptop with 16gb of memory and a huge hard drive.  I'm running windows 10.  Any suggestions is appreciated.
Brenda




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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

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Yes you can, but having bought Office I now would have to buy it again. its a pity if you have an old copy that you cannot just pay an upgrade price, but i suspect the upgrade from 2002, might be as much as a new one!
I happen to like 2003/2 version of Word. I'm not going to get you started on ribbons again honest.
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


I believe you can still; buy Office. As I recall, you have the option to rent or buy it. If I'm wrong, I expect others will know an correct me.

Gene
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Yes i am not liiking Microsofts new rental approach to software either. I
will, at some point have to choose something else when my current version of
Word finally will no longer run in windows. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


I tested OpenOffice some time ago and it was still worse than LibreOffice.

I'm still using LibreOffice 5.2, even with its issues, because Microsoft
Office is very expensive here n Brazil and, for what I have to do,
LibreOffice suits me better.

Also, I am using LibreOffice for many years and know almost all the
keyboard shortcuts, all of them very different in MS Office. As I needed
to start using a screen reader a few years ago, only recently became aware
of NVDA issues in conjunction with LibreOffice.



Em 24/08/2017 09:31, nasrin khaksar escreveu:
me too.
i downgraded to 5.2, but still calc is inaccessible for me.
every version has many new features for sighted and compatibility for
screen readers!
i completely agree with you walmir.
whats the solution?
should i realy migrate to openoffice?
please advise.

On 8/24/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,


I am very desappointed with LibreOffice.

Each update brings new compatibility issues with NVDA.

I even downgraded to LibreOffice 5.2 as the only way to minimize the
annoyances.



Em 23/08/2017 22:30, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more
often, and more features are accessible. Open Office is still being
updated. I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at
myself.

Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than
a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.

Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.

Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it
depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your
needs. For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice
causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the
mouse, then you won't encounter it.



On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss
<mailto:@smeveriss>> wrote:

This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an
office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I
supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I
havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to
getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready
know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office
or something else entirely.




On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:

So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice..
together.

I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be
solved because apparently there is no communication between
the developers of both software.



Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did
the following:

- Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 -
2003 format .doc.
- Opened LibreOffice Writer.
- Opened the document I'd saved.
- Read through document, added some text.
- Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003
format.

I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.
Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or
alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.

I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose
focus thing at one point moving through the text. I
didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that. It's
annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
anything. The focus itself was still in the document, so
I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA
wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident
with NVDA not running. Nothing untoward in the NVDA log
though. I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice
so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc,
or just a general LIbreOffice thing.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...
<mailto:lmddh50@...> <mailto:lmddh50@...
<mailto:lmddh50@...>>> wrote:

Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and
modify a MS
Office 2003 document. If I change the document and
select to save
it as the original .doc file type it crashes
LibreOffice to the
point of needing a hard reboot to clear it. Is this a
known issue
with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office
documents?
Thanks







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Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

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Normally add ons are not the issue with Firefox. it seems to be pretty good at not letting them screw up the system. Most of the time the problem could be registration of dlls after a uninstall or the item I posted about in a new thread and implicated some words!
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda


hello.
i use windows xp and dont have such problems.
if you cant use accessibility of firefox, in the address bar type
about:support
and see is accessibility available or not?
i dont install any addons and dont know if one addon maybe prevents
accessibility.
God bless you.
hope that i could help you.

On 8/26/17, Joe_L via Groups.Io <joedevsys=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
I'm new to the group and to NVDA, I'm a sighted user learning and setting up
for someone else.

I've just completed a new install of NVDA and Firefox 55.0.2 onto a Windows
10 Home 64bit laptop (HP Envy). In Firefox I cannot navigate properly, for
example pressing H does not take me to the next heading and neither can I
navigate to specific paragraphs to speak them. I'm using the Focus Highlight
add-on and the green highlight rectangle does not appear in Firefox, but it
does appear in other apps e.g. file explorer where I get both the red and
green highlight rectangles. If I go back to Firefox I get no green rectangle
again. For comparison I have been testing NVDA on Windows 7 and it works
properly, if I press H I get a green rectangle over a heading and can
down-arrow to the following paragraph (also FF55.0.2).

One critical point here I have just discovered - on Windows 10 if I launch
FF first and NVDA afterwards I get the problem. If I launch NVDA first and
FF second it seems to be OK (needs more testing to prove this is robust...).
On Windows 7 launch order is unimportant.

Regards
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Attention those with Firefox and thunderbird brose mode single letter nave issues.

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Just found this...



Please read this here or go to the address. is this the effect or effects that have been a problem with some users in Thunderbird and firefox here recently. if so get a github account or sub to the mail list and report it in one of the issues mentioned below.



https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7269#issuecomment-325105666
Browse mode in Mozilla Gecko products no longer can be used after restarting NVDA due to IAccessible2 interface registration issues #7269
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michaelDCurran commented on 9 Jun
Steps to reproduce:
This can only be reproduced on a small amount of machines running Windows 10 Creaters Update.
While NVDA is running:
. Start Firefox and navigate a page with NVDA browse mode
. Restart NVDA
. Move back to Firefox and try and navigate the page.
Browse mode will not be available due to NVDA not being able to queryService to IAccessibleApplication to fetch the Gecko version.
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jcsteh commented on 9 Jun . edited
CC @derekriemer, @josephsl, who I believe are experiencing this.
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beqabeqa473 commented on 9 Jun
also have the same problem.
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This comment left via email reply. jage9 commented on 9 Jun
Confirmed here as well. I usually notice it after an NVDA update which
of course would be a restart of NVDA.
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jcsteh commented on 9 Jun
#7207 is possibly related, though we don't have enough technical info there to be sure.
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jcsteh commented on 9 Jun . edited
Note that #5758 has similar symptoms, but is very different technically and can be worked around. It'd be good if those of you who believe you are experiencing this can do the following:
1. Switch to another application that isn't a Mozilla application. You may need to start another application if you don't have another open.
2. Restart NVDA.
3. Now switch back to the Mozilla application.
If you're experiencing #5758, everything will now work as expected. If you're experiencing this new issue (#7269), nothing will fix things except restarting the Mozilla app.
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jcsteh commented on 9 Jun
@michaelDCurran, as discussed, we should log CoRegisterPSClsid failures as errors to help diagnose issues like this.
@gregjozk
gregjozk commented on 11 Jul
Hi,
confirmed on windows 10 (64-bit) build 15063.413 last firefox (54.0.1 - 32-bit) and NVDA (last next snapshot).
This problem has been detected for a while.
@jcsteh jcsteh referenced this issue on 27 Jul
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Problem in Thunderbird and Firefox when restarting NVDA (next branch) #7442
@jcsteh jcsteh marked this as a duplicate of #7442 on 27 Jul
@leonardder leonardder referenced this issue 3 hours ago
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working in browsers is broken after restart of NVDA #7523
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mohdshara commented 3 hours ago
confirmed with NVDA 2017.3 and firefox 55..0.3. I have been experiencing this for a while, and our Arabic speaking users confirm this as well.



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Re: NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you doing anything in particular when it happens (Using Outlook, Firefox, calculator, etc?) and are you using NVDA 2017.3?

Anything else you can think of about your system or what you are doing that might help - and anything that has changed recently.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Brenduh <brenduh@...> wrote:
Hello,
I'm new to NVDA and it has been freezing up and running incredibly laggy when it does work.  I have a core i 7 laptop with 16gb of memory and a huge hard drive.  I'm running windows 10.  Any suggestions is appreciated.
Brenda




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Re: NVDA and Libreoffice

Quentin Christensen
 

Yep, you can still buy it.  In Australian dollars, it's $179 for Office 2016 Home and Student vs $89 / year for Office 365 personal or $119 for Office 365 Home.  US pricing will be slightly different but the ratio is probably similar.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I believe you can still; buy Office.  As I recall, you have the option to rent or buy it.  If I'm wrong, I expect others will know an correct me. 
 
Gene
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Yes i am not liiking Microsofts new rental approach to software either. I
will, at some point have to choose something else when my current version of
Word finally will no longer run in windows. Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Libreoffice


>I tested OpenOffice some time ago and it was still worse than LibreOffice.
>
> I'm still using LibreOffice 5.2, even with its issues, because Microsoft
> Office is very expensive here n Brazil and, for what I have to do,
> LibreOffice suits me better.
>
> Also, I am using LibreOffice for many years and know almost all the
> keyboard shortcuts, all of them very different in MS Office. As I needed
> to start using a screen reader a few years ago, only recently became aware
> of NVDA issues in conjunction with LibreOffice.
>
>
>
> Em 24/08/2017 09:31, nasrin khaksar escreveu:
>> me too.
>> i downgraded to 5.2, but still calc is inaccessible for me.
>> every version has many new features for sighted and compatibility for
>> screen readers!
>> i completely agree with you walmir.
>> whats the solution?
>> should i realy migrate to openoffice?
>> please advise.
>>
>> On 8/24/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
>> <wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> I am very desappointed with LibreOffice.
>>>
>>> Each update brings new compatibility issues with NVDA.
>>>
>>> I even downgraded to LibreOffice 5.2 as the only way to minimize the
>>> annoyances.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Em 23/08/2017 22:30, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
>>>> I think to summarise the thread, LibreOffice tends to be updated more
>>>> often, and more features are accessible. Open Office is still being
>>>> updated. I just downloaded the latest version to have another look at
>>>> myself.
>>>>
>>>> Re your user, if what they mostly need is a word processor rather than
>>>> a full office suite, Jarte is a popular stand-alone word processor.
>>>>
>>>> Another option is Google Docs and Google Sheets etc.
>>>>
>>>> Yes there are potential bugs with the different office suites, and it
>>>> depends on exactly what you need to do as to which will best suit your
>>>> needs. For instance, yes the mouse bug I mentioned in LibreOffice
>>>> causes a fairly bad crash, but if you are a user who doesn't use the
>>>> mouse, then you won't encounter it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...
>>>> <mailto:sm.everiss@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      This is serious guys I am trying to teach someone here to use an
>>>>      office like program that is not expensive ms office, how am I
>>>>      supposed to use it if there are issues with it that may pop up, I
>>>>      havn't yet fully started with it but I am half on the way to
>>>>      getting them to spend the cash on ms office which they allready
>>>>      know, should I ignore libre and go back to openoffice, wps office
>>>>      or something else entirely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      On 23/08/2017 11:18 p.m., Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          So, this is one more issue in using NVDA and LibreOffice..
>>>>          together.
>>>>
>>>>          I've described many of them here, but don't expect them to be
>>>>          solved because apparently there is no communication between
>>>>          the developers of both software.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          Em 22/08/2017 22:19, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>              Using NVDA 2017.3 rc1 and LibreOffice Writer 5.3.4.2 I did
>>>>              the following:
>>>>
>>>>              - Opened Word 2016 (I didn't have an old Word 2003
>>>>              document handy) and typed a few words, saved as Word 97 -
>>>>              2003 format .doc.
>>>>              - Opened LibreOffice Writer.
>>>>              - Opened the document I'd saved.
>>>>              - Read through document, added some text.
>>>>              - Saved document, and when prompted, saved in Office 2003
>>>>              format.
>>>>
>>>>              I did notice at that point, the NVDA seemed to lose focus.
>>>>              Pressing alt twice to go into the menu and back, or
>>>>              alt+tab to something else and back fixed the issue though.
>>>>
>>>>              I tried again and had no problems, although I got the lose
>>>>              focus thing at one point moving through the text. I
>>>>              didn't find a concrete way to reproduce that. It's
>>>>              annoying, but it didn't bring the system down or
>>>>              anything. The focus itself was still in the document, so
>>>>              I could still move around and edit, it was just that NVDA
>>>>              wasn't reading properly so I expect it wouldn't be evident
>>>>              with NVDA not running. Nothing untoward in the NVDA log
>>>>              though. I have noticed occasional issues with LibreOffice
>>>>              so not sure if this is related to using a Word 2003 doc,
>>>>              or just a general LIbreOffice thing.
>>>>
>>>>              On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...
>>>>              <mailto:lmddh50@...> <mailto:lmddh50@...
>>>>              <mailto:lmddh50@...>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>              Running NVDA 2017.3 RC1 on a Win 10 system.
>>>>              Just installed LibreOffice and attempted to open and
>>>>              modify a MS
>>>>              Office 2003 document. If I change the document and
>>>>              select to save
>>>>              it as the original .doc file type it crashes
>>>>              LibreOffice to the
>>>>              point of needing a hard reboot to clear it. Is this a
>>>>              known issue
>>>>              with trying to use LibreOffice with Microsoft Office
>>>>              documents?
>>>>              Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>              --
>>>>              Quentin Christensen
>>>>              Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>>              Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
>>>>              E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>>              Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>>              <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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>>>>              <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>






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