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Re: NVDA 2017.3 released

Gene
 

Please stop pirating threads.  If you have something to say that is relevant to a thread, say it.  If you have nothing relevant to say to a  thread, don't pirate it.  This thread has absolutely nothing to do with the subject you are writing about.  I haven't been following your messages carefully because so many of them seem repetitious, asking for the same or similar things repeatedly.  If they are as repetitious as they seem, just repeating the same or almost identical requests time after time will do nothing but irritate members who see the same message or almost the same message repeatedly. 
 
If you don't get answers to a question, then it might make sense to repeat the question perhaps two days later.  It seems to me that you have sent almost the same messages perhaps six or ten times over the last day. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

I have faestival and vox voices. I need more for NVDA on my
winWindos7Home pro windos7pro computer  I need better voices for NVDA
voices for my PC and Windo eyes jaws Nvda &other voices/screenreaders

On 8/27/17, Vijay Kumar <ca.s.vijaykumar@...> wrote:
> Thank you Bhavya  great help ,would try and please suggest  would it  be
> different if I go with desk top as my option?
>
> Regards
> Vijay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
> shah
> Sent: 26 August 2017 08:08
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
>
> Hi Vijay,
> Since you are using a laptop without a NumPad, you may have the laptop
> keyboard layout selected. In this case, NVDA+A is the keystroke you need to
> press to issue a say all.
> Thanks.
>
> On 8/26/17, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
>> One great thing I've just noticed about this new version of NVDA is
>> the problem with mIRC has been fixed! It no longer messes it up and
>> I've disabled it's own speech and switched it back to nvda.  This is
>> so much better as it is faster and I can use the synth of my choice.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2017 6:31 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are interested I have the speech platform synth and voices in
>>> my drop box account. You need to install the synth run time thingy
>>> first then the tts voices after.
>>>
>>>
>>> The link to the drop box account is
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20en
>>> gine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0
>>>
>>> They are in a zip format at present but after the synth run time
>>> thingy has been installed there are quite a few different voices and
>>> languages to pick from.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do also have the speech hub package if you want it as well but the
>>> add on will have to be installed as well. I can give directions for
>>> that one but they are in english for voices etc. Just let me know if
>>> you are interested in this one to.
>>>
>>>
>>> gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/08/2017 01:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>>>> so I am stuck with espeak or how do I get new voices with NVDA I use
>>>> windos 7 pro
>>>>
>>>> On 8/25/17, Antony Stone<antony.stone@...>  wrote:
>>>>> Which extra voices do you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are running Windows 10, you already have the OneCore voices.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are not running Windows 10, those voices are not available.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never heard of any extra voices for OneCore other than those
>>>>> included as standard with Windows 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday 25 August 2017 at 15:29:12, Gary Metzler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Quentin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How can I get the extra voices for one core?  thanks for any help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Quentin Christensen
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:51 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank-you Zahra,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And to you also!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:34 AM, nasrin khaksar
>>>>>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    thanks quentin for posting this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    On 8/25/17, Rosemarie Chavarria<knitqueen2007@...>  wrote:
>>>>>>    > I just got it.
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > From:nvda@nvda.groups.io  [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>>    > Quentin Christensen
>>>>>>    > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:53 PM
>>>>>>    > To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>    > Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > Hi everyone,
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > NVDA 2017.3 is out!  Highlights of this release include input of
>>>>>>    > contracted braille, support for new Windows OneCore voices
>>>>>> available
>>>>>>    > on Windows 10, in-built support for Windows 10 OCR, and many
>>>>>>    > significant improvements regarding Braille and the web.
>>>>>>    >
>>>>>>    > Release notes and download links at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-3-now-available-for-downl
>>>>>> >oad/
>>>>> --
>>>>> "Good health" is merely the slowest rate at which you can die.
>>>>>
>>>>>                                                     Please reply to
>>>>> the list;
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>>>>> *don't* CC me.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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>>> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
>>> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
>>> you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
>>> use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
>>> find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
>>> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
>>> (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
>>> near you, please visit the following link
>>> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
>>> the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
>>> world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: can't get abbyy fine reader to work

Gene
 

Are you willing to pay for it?
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't get abbyy fine reader to work

Hi rosemarie

If you manage to set up abbyy fine reader, can you please tell me from where I can download i?

Because it seems very useful.

Thanks in advance

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 26 August 2017 23:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get abbyy fine reader to work

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I wanted to try to scan a letter I received in the mail today but when I hit enter to open abbyy fine reader, I got a message saying it would be terminated. How do I set it up to make it work?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: NVDA 2017.3 released

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

I have faestival and vox voices. I need more for NVDA on my
winWindos7Home pro windos7pro computer I need better voices for NVDA
voices for my PC and Windo eyes jaws Nvda &other voices/screenreaders

On 8/27/17, Vijay Kumar <ca.s.vijaykumar@...> wrote:
Thank you Bhavya great help ,would try and please suggest would it be
different if I go with desk top as my option?

Regards
Vijay
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya
shah
Sent: 26 August 2017 08:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

Hi Vijay,
Since you are using a laptop without a NumPad, you may have the laptop
keyboard layout selected. In this case, NVDA+A is the keystroke you need to
press to issue a say all.
Thanks.

On 8/26/17, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:
One great thing I've just noticed about this new version of NVDA is
the problem with mIRC has been fixed! It no longer messes it up and
I've disabled it's own speech and switched it back to nvda. This is
so much better as it is faster and I can use the synth of my choice.

Roger














On 8/25/2017 6:31 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


If you are interested I have the speech platform synth and voices in
my drop box account. You need to install the synth run time thingy
first then the tts voices after.


The link to the drop box account is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20en
gine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0

They are in a zip format at present but after the synth run time
thingy has been installed there are quite a few different voices and
languages to pick from.


I do also have the speech hub package if you want it as well but the
add on will have to be installed as well. I can give directions for
that one but they are in english for voices etc. Just let me know if
you are interested in this one to.


gene nz



On 26/08/2017 01:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
so I am stuck with espeak or how do I get new voices with NVDA I use
windos 7 pro

On 8/25/17, Antony Stone<antony.stone@...> wrote:
Which extra voices do you mean?

If you are running Windows 10, you already have the OneCore voices.

If you are not running Windows 10, those voices are not available.

I've never heard of any extra voices for OneCore other than those
included as standard with Windows 10.


Antony.

On Friday 25 August 2017 at 15:29:12, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Quentin,

How can I get the extra voices for one core? thanks for any help.

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:51 PM To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released

Thank-you Zahra,

And to you also!

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:34 AM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@...>
wrote:

thanks quentin for posting this.

On 8/25/17, Rosemarie Chavarria<knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
> I just got it.
>
> From:nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
Behalf Of
> Quentin Christensen
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 4:53 PM
> To:nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.3 released
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> NVDA 2017.3 is out! Highlights of this release include input of
> contracted braille, support for new Windows OneCore voices
available
> on Windows 10, in-built support for Windows 10 OCR, and many
> significant improvements regarding Braille and the web.
>
> Release notes and download links at:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-3-now-available-for-downl
oad/
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
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you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the
world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


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Re: can't get abbyy fine reader to work

anthony borg
 

Hi rosemarie

If you manage to set up abbyy fine reader, can you please tell me from where I can download i?

Because it seems very useful.

Thanks in advance

Anthony    

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: 26 August 2017 23:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't get abbyy fine reader to work

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I wanted to try to scan a letter I received in the mail today but when I hit enter to open abbyy fine reader, I got a message saying it would be terminated. How do I set it up to make it work?

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Help With Eloquence

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

I need the link 2the jaws add on for NVDA hq please or large
voices/addpns for nvda NVDA is my favorit favorit creenreader in the
world

On 8/27/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@...> wrote:
Open nvda menu insert+n
2 times down Arrow
There is a submenu called codefactory
There should it be

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

Från: Gene
Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

please don't leave the group when you don't want to get mail from it.  Every
time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe and send a message, the first
message you send has to be approved.  Every new member has to have his first
message approved.  This is a setting list administrators can't change.  It
is a setting set by the entire list serve administrator.

Please go nomail so that every time you want to start receiving mail and
discuss something, the first message you send doesn't have to be approved.
While messages are generally approved quickly or reasonbly promptly, you may
wait many hours perhaps six or eight if neeither the owner or I look at the
list because we are busy or sleeping.
To go nomail, send a blank message to
nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
To resume receiving mail as individual messages, send a message to
nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
That will resume single delivery if you have gone nomail.

Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and run it again after
installing the add on?

Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as I recall Code Factory?
The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots of annoying artifacts.
The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should.  You can get a demo of that
version as well.  If you have problems finding it, asking here should get
you the information.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

Hi good people:
I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence expressive ad on
for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial version.
The program has been properly installed, and I've gone through the
settings.  But I cannot find the program in the synthesiser sub-menu
of NVDA.
Please can anyone help me understand what could have gone wrong, or
what I didn't do properly?
Regards.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.



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Re: Help With Eloquence

mattias
 

Open nvda menu insert+n

2 times down Arrow

There is a submenu called codefactory

There should it be

 

Skickades från E-post för Windows 10

 

Från: Gene
Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

 

please don't leave the group when you don't want to get mail from it.  Every time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe and send a message, the first message you send has to be approved.  Every new member has to have his first message approved.  This is a setting list administrators can't change.  It is a setting set by the entire list serve administrator.

 

Please go nomail so that every time you want to start receiving mail and discuss something, the first message you send doesn't have to be approved.  While messages are generally approved quickly or reasonbly promptly, you may wait many hours perhaps six or eight if neeither the owner or I look at the list because we are busy or sleeping. 

To go nomail, send a blank message to

To resume receiving mail as individual messages, send a message to

That will resume single delivery if you have gone nomail.

 

Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and run it again after installing the add on? 

 

Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as I recall Code Factory?  The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots of annoying artifacts.  The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should.  You can get a demo of that version as well.  If you have problems finding it, asking here should get you the information. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM

Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

 

Hi good people:
I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence expressive ad on
for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial version.
The program has been properly installed, and I've gone through the
settings.  But I cannot find the program in the synthesiser sub-menu
of NVDA.
Please can anyone help me understand what could have gone wrong, or
what I didn't do properly?
Regards.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.

 


Re: Older threads on this list

Gene
 

Also, if you send a message to a blocked thread, you get an automated message about the thread being blocked.
 
Gene

Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older threads on this list

Do you mean that you have recently replied to an old thread, which hasn't
otherwise seen any activity for some time, and your new posting hasn't
appeared?

I don't see why the age of the last posting to a thread would make any
difference to whether a new comment in that thread appears or not.

As for threads being blocked by moderators, I know this has happened in a very
few cases, but was it really such a thread that you've seen (or not seen) a
recent reply not appearing on?


Antony.

On Sunday 27 August 2017 at 11:39:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

> I have noticed recently that some posts to threads of some time ago, never
> seem to appear ,while others do. Is there some time out on a thread if no
> new posts are received in a given time?
>  I'm asking in public, as this might help others. I looked on groups.io
> this morning but saw nothing.
>  On the other hand I guess the threads might have been blocked by the
> moderators, but there seems to be no such post as there usually is when
> this happens.
>  Brian

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Re: Older threads on this list

Gene
 

I've never seen anything indicating that old threads are blocked.  on other groups.io lists I'm on, sometimes people revive a thread after a month or cloase to it.  Nor have I seen any setting about threads expiring after a certain amount of time.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 4:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Older threads on this list

Do you mean that you have recently replied to an old thread, which hasn't
otherwise seen any activity for some time, and your new posting hasn't
appeared?

I don't see why the age of the last posting to a thread would make any
difference to whether a new comment in that thread appears or not.

As for threads being blocked by moderators, I know this has happened in a very
few cases, but was it really such a thread that you've seen (or not seen) a
recent reply not appearing on?


Antony.

On Sunday 27 August 2017 at 11:39:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

> I have noticed recently that some posts to threads of some time ago, never
> seem to appear ,while others do. Is there some time out on a thread if no
> new posts are received in a given time?
>  I'm asking in public, as this might help others. I looked on groups.io
> this morning but saw nothing.
>  On the other hand I guess the threads might have been blocked by the
> moderators, but there seems to be no such post as there usually is when
> this happens.
>  Brian

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Re: Skype for Business notifications in latest NVDA snapshot

Jacques Stassen <j@...>
 

Hi Quentin, thanks for this. I don't get #7286 to work though. I have gone through all Skype for Business 2016 settings and do not find anything that indicates that it will have an influence on this new NVDA feature to work, or alternatively, not work. Hopefully someone else on the list can confirm that the feature works for them as advertised, with whom I can perhaps compare notes to see what the problem could be.

Jacques

On 27/08/2017 11:34, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Jacques,
"Automatically report incoming messages", basically does what it says, if someone sends you a message on Skype for Business, you receive a notification.  Original issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7281 and https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7286
One of those issues deals with notifications for messages in existing chat windows, the other for new global notifications.  Skype for Business uses a non-standard implementation which required its own code to work from our end.
Regards
Quentin.
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Jacques Stassen <j@... <mailto:j@...>> wrote:
Hi Quentin / All____
__ __
I posted a question on this a few days ago, but have not yet
received feedback. I am running the latest NVDA snapshot on a
Windows 10 Enterprise laptop, using Skype for Business 2016. The
below is quoted from the what's new section of NVDA.____
__ __
"• NVDA now automatically reports notifications in Skype for
Business Desktop, such as when someone starts a conversation with
you. (#7281) "____
__ __
Please clarify what could be expected from this new feature? Is it
supposed to read out new IM's when in the IM window, name of the
caller when a call comes in? I do not find any of these to be the
case, so need to know if specific settings need to be enabled to get
this to work.____
__ __
Thanks in advance.____
__ __
Jacques Stassen ____
NVDA certified expert <https://certification.nvaccess.org/> | JAWS
certified individual
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Services/TrainingAndCertification/JAWSCertifiedIndividuals>____
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<https://twitter.com/stassenj> ____
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Re: Older threads on this list

Antony Stone
 

Do you mean that you have recently replied to an old thread, which hasn't
otherwise seen any activity for some time, and your new posting hasn't
appeared?

I don't see why the age of the last posting to a thread would make any
difference to whether a new comment in that thread appears or not.

As for threads being blocked by moderators, I know this has happened in a very
few cases, but was it really such a thread that you've seen (or not seen) a
recent reply not appearing on?


Antony.

On Sunday 27 August 2017 at 11:39:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
wrote:

I have noticed recently that some posts to threads of some time ago, never
seem to appear ,while others do. Is there some time out on a thread if no
new posts are received in a given time?
I'm asking in public, as this might help others. I looked on groups.io
this morning but saw nothing.
On the other hand I guess the threads might have been blocked by the
moderators, but there seems to be no such post as there usually is when
this happens.
Brian
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Re: a good program for reading pdf files

Dejan Ristic
 

You do not have to pay for it.


Here is the link to it:


www.adobe.com


When you open the site, find a link called Acrobat DC. Click on it, and you will get to the download page of the above mentioned programme.


Friend, I've just found it for you:


https://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/

On 8/26/2017 8:28 PM, Bobby Vinton wrote:
hay I was wondering if any of you know of a good program for reading and opening PDF files.  I don't know if adobe still works or if you have to pay for it.  Just let me know.



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Older threads on this list

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I have noticed recently that some posts to threads of some time ago, never seem to appear ,while others do. Is there some time out on a thread if no new posts are received in a given time?
I'm asking in public, as this might help others. I looked on groups.io this morning but saw nothing.
On the other hand I guess the threads might have been blocked by the moderators, but there seems to be no such post as there usually is when this happens.
Brian

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Re: Skype for Business notifications in latest NVDA snapshot

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jacques,

"Automatically report incoming messages", basically does what it says, if someone sends you a message on Skype for Business, you receive a notification.  Original issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7281 and https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7286

One of those issues deals with notifications for messages in existing chat windows, the other for new global notifications.  Skype for Business uses a non-standard implementation which required its own code to work from our end.

Regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Jacques Stassen <j@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin / All

 

I posted a question on this a few days ago, but have not yet received feedback. I am running the latest NVDA snapshot on a Windows 10 Enterprise laptop, using Skype for Business 2016. The below is quoted from the what's new section of NVDA.

 

"• NVDA now automatically reports notifications in Skype for Business Desktop, such as when someone starts a conversation with you. (#7281) "

 

Please clarify what could be expected from this new feature? Is it supposed to read out new IM's when in the IM window, name of the caller when a call comes in? I do not find any of these to be the case, so need to know if specific settings need to be enabled to get this to work.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

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Re: Chrome Dictionary extension

Gary Bowers
 

Hi Gene. I'm good at using dictionaries online.

I was just exploring Chrome extensions as another tool. I like options.

Thanks,

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:37 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome Dictionary extension

I don't know about dictionary extensions but do you know the many ways you
can look up information about words online? I doubt a dictionary extension
would be meaningfully more convenient than some of these ways.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Chrome Dictionary extension

Has anyone found a dictionary extension for Google Chrome that works with
NVDA? If so, which one?

Gary B


Re: what in the world is happening with firefox and nvda

Arno Schuh
 

Hi,
Am Samstag, 26. August 2017 23:56 schrieb Joe_L via Groups.Io <joedevsys=googlemail.com@groups.io>:
Get your 32 bit firefox here:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ (
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/all/ )
You still can reach the Mozilla FTP server, and there you will find any Firefox version you need:
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Yours sincerely

Arno


Re: Access, teaching and concepts for blind use of computers, was Cutting and pasting from wordpad to word in various modes

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Just catching up on this one.
The problem was highlighted recently when I needed someone specifically to help me interpret what a sighted user was actually doing into my keyboard orientated world. You are right that most sighted users not only do not know the keyboard shortcuts, but worse, do not understand the concepts of what they are actually doing when dragging files about and selecting folders to put stuff in, many just accepting defaults set up on an install. This comes to a head when a sighted relative uses a blind configured computer as they may use a click that reset something you had painstakingly altered, many months back and since they do not tell you you then need to fiddle for ages to get your functionality back.

All of these things are windows, not screenreader commands, normally.
I notice that in Supernova, there is a separate chapter on windows conventions and shortcuts and how different settings of windows can affect the user like us.
I guess the single and double click alterations is one of the main ones that gets moved quite often.


Unfortunately, in all the different flavours of windows, the way to get at settings changes somewhat.
I also have issues with concepts when they change. I do not like ribbon menus for blind use. I have had them explained until steam is coming out of a tutors ears, but as I learned on logical normal pull down menus. Ribbons seems a bit of a mess, putting all sorts of things I have thought were different, together in one big 'pudding'. So toolbars, property sheets sub menus and all sorts of stuff comes up unexpectedly as the brain has partitioned these objects as different things not likely to be in the menu system directly.

I use things like control/shift no for new folder which seems to be something my sighted colleagues never even knew was possible and the like, so, I guess I have a foot in many camps and the challenge is to attempt to cater for people like me who do not like change to concepts. That is one reason I do not like the new apps in Windows 10, as they seem to be a step back in time to a non standard as you like approach to software we had in the old Dos days. If we can no longer rely on finding things where we always used to, it will be very hard to teach anyone how to use them if the interface changes every time an update comes out.


Its about time that accessibility was not just seen as, yes you can get at and operate a button or control, but that there needs to be some underlying logic and short cut key set everyone uses. Its like many web sites which claim to be accessible as everything reads, but its so big and messy that without an overview as the sighted has, the poor old blind user is completely at sea as to what else might be on the page in a stupid place.
I feel better now.
Brian

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On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 04:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:


Just on your point about the system tray commands needing to be taught, I
agree that people should know them, however exactly where to cover them is
the issue. They are not NVDA commands, therefore are not suitable to be
put in the NVDA User Guide. They do get a mention in the Basic Training
for NVDA module since that does walk the user through learning how to use
the computer as a whole with NVDA.
Quentin,

Now I'm going to do one of my rare instances of having one foot on both sides of the fence. As a screen-reader tutor for many years now it has been a constant battle to teach the actual field counselors who contract me that it is, literally, not possible to teach "how to use a screen reader" unless one is using a screen reader to do something that we who can see do with some program we use to do it. A screen reader is a tool that has no useful function if it is not being used to manipulate something else. Thus, in order to teach people how to use a screen reader you must, at the same time, be teaching (or re-teaching) them how to do the "something else" they do with it.

But, and it's an important but, no one should expect the documentation for a screen reader to address every possible eventuality as far as using Windows goes. In my own tutorial on using the ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (and, of course, with the presumption of a screen reader running) I cover it only for Windows Explorer and explicitly state that the principles discussed there apply to any program using a ribbon interface, because they do. The point is to teach how to explore other stuff independently, not to cover every eventuality.

Just as I have posted step-by-step instructions I've written for screen reader users on sites not focused on same, expecting that when I say something like, " ALT+T,R to open the Tools menu, References Dialog " a sighted user knows that means, "Click on the Tools menu and choose the References item," I conversely should be able to expect a screen reader user *who is not entirely new to the game* to read instructions written for the sighted and understand how those convert over to screen reader and/or Windows keystrokes. I have gotten a lot more static for that latter presumption than I've ever gotten for the former, and if one does not know it's not impossible, or even all that difficult, to research the answer. Most sighted users have no idea of anything beyond a few keyboard commands, if that. But the idea that "click on" means "activate" is much more direct.

You are correct that no documentation for any screen reader could or should cover every possible thing you do with Windows. The really odd stuff that any of us use very infrequently, if at all, should be expected to require personal research regardless of one's ability to see or not.

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Re: NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow

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It is much the same in the 64 bit version of Windows 7 as well. I had found that the system by which it would pop up the speed of the processor cores was flawed and did not take into account a program hogging one core built acting as a bottleneck for other processes. Nvda is just one such case. Whether its possible when support for xp is dropped to make it multi core aware I have no idea, as the problem is that it has to be working as fast as it can since its the only way we can 'see the screen' so to speak.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow


A few people have found issues with the power settings in Windows 10. The
Power Settings try to throttle back your CPU to increase battery life, but
in practice, it often goes too far and impacts performance. Preventing it
from throttling back has fixed laginess and other problems for a number of
users.

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:

I also turn off a lot of scheduals I just don't have time for those on my
workstation but thats because I use it.

Now on the critical workstations in here I set all the schedualed scans
for night time round midnight as well as the schedualed updates and the
like.

Its a good time to get those done.

I control backups myself I want to make sure I have those sorted but yeah.

Critical stuff is on the cloud and the rest I keep the 2 backup drives
updated regularly.

As for the 2 other systems the workstation has a drive which we backup
every so often, the other server come workstation uses the seagate backup
manager type deal and every so often we connect the drive and let it sit
for 3 hours during runtime or at night then it backs itself up.

Sadly as we found out security and backup programs use a lot of resources.





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I have for example noticed that windows will often slow down if an
automatic back up is in progress. You would not normally know this was
going on of course and it to some extent depends on how and what to you
aare backing up. also sometimes some virus scanners can eat resources if
they scan incoming files or do scans with ahigh priority setting.
This was why I kicked out Avast originally.



Brian

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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow


Also, from the way your message is written, it isn't clear if the
performance problems only happen when you run NVDA or if they occur in
general. You said you are new to NVDA but you didn't say if these are
general problems or only present when you run NVDA.

Gene
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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 6:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA is freezing up and incredibly slow


Are you doing anything in particular when it happens (Using Outlook,
Firefox, calculator, etc?) and are you using NVDA 2017.3?


Anything else you can think of about your system or what you are doing
that might help - and anything that has changed recently.


Regards


Quentin.


On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Brenduh <brenduh@...> wrote:

Hello,
I'm new to NVDA and it has been freezing up and running incredibly laggy
when it does work. I have a core i 7 laptop with 16gb of memory and a huge
hard drive. I'm running windows 10. Any suggestions is appreciated.
Brenda










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Re: Chrome Dictionary extension

Gene
 

I don't know about dictionary extensions but do you know the many ways you can look up information about words online?  I doubt a dictionary extension would be meaningfully more convenient than some of these ways. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] Chrome Dictionary extension

Has anyone found a dictionary extension for Google Chrome that works with
NVDA? If so, which one?

Gary B





Re: windows 7 and new n v d a release

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It would be interesting to find out why some people, like yourself find it has issues, whereas many including me, do not have such problems. It would I'm sure help developers if instead of just saying its no good for me, people took just a little time to actually explain in detail, where the problems are for them. remember everyone cannot be using exactly the same hardware and software, and thus cannot see every problem that might arise.
I also feel though, that reporting such things has to be made easier than having to get an account on github and fiddling about on that web site.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 7 and new n v d a release


hello.
yes. the versions 2017.1 and 2017.2 are the best versions.
i realy decided to never update my nvda forever and i try to covenent
my promise and decision.
my decision is for reasons that i cant explane.
2017.2 is the best and realy extremely great.

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Heck its even running fine on XP as well, though only subtle changes exist
there I think. Its certainly no worse from my viewpoint. It seems smoother
all round in Firefox versions to me. It will, shock horror even work on
Internet Explorer 8!
I know as I had to use it yesterday with a current next snap, and there
were no issues or errors at all when I downloaded some files from an old
site that seemed to work in old versions of browsers.


Some people on here are having issues with firefox and I think I posted
about this a bit earlier today, but seeing as I cannot see the problems
here, they will have to go to github and add to the relevent tickets if it
cannot be solved.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 7 and new n v d a release


Hi, I'm using win 7 home addition. I downloaded the latest version of NVDA.

It works just fine. Yes it does benefit win ten. There's no reason why it
wont work for 7. If you hear something like windows app ignore it its just

for ten. It does work for 7.

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Subject: [nvda] windows 7 and new n v d a release


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from mack using win 7 64 bit. sounds like the new release primarily
benefits win 10 users. I am using 2017.1 and it works just fine. any
compelling reason to update at this time. thanks.










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Chrome Dictionary extension

Gary Bowers
 

Has anyone found a dictionary extension for Google Chrome that works with
NVDA? If so, which one?

Gary B