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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Don H
 

I fully understand why old operating systems can't be supported for ever.  You do have to keep in mind that some people can't afford to purchase new or newer computers which can run newer operating systems.  In many if not most situations if you are still running XP that computer is probably not capable of running Win 10 so a free upgrade to Win 10 doesn't help.  So either you have to start saving what you can to upgrade to a newer computer or just stay with the older versions of NVDA and hope your old XP machine keeps on working.. 


On 8/31/2017 12:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

>From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.










Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I agree. This is why I made a big stink on the add-ons list late last night. Its time to move on folks. I agree with with Bryan in the UK. This could have been handled much better. Sorry to hear your XP box got bricked sir, but again its time to move on.

On 8/31/2017 1:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Arlene
 

If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.




Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

David Tanner
 

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@...> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

David Tanner
 

For as many years as you have been using NVDA in technology I would think you should understand by now the price that it cost so developer to keep supporting a 10-year-old operating system which has even less and less relevant with the software that is now available. For the cost that you can purchase a windows 10 computer it would be smarter for you to buy a new computer for 100 or $200 then to expect in the Valtr to spend thousands of extra dollars supporting a 10-year-old operating system

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:

I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I like your suggestion Bryan about bookmarks. I rarely use multiple tabs. I have several sites bookmarked.

On 8/31/2017 6:12 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
How much memory has your computer got and are you using the 32 bit or 64 bit version of Firefox?
Might be wise for me to say that 4 gigs is definitely slow compared to 8 when you start opening tabs, escpecially if javascript is active on a fair number of them.
Also some people say the 64 bit version is more capable, but have never tried it as I don't think I would open more than about four on a session.
brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by having 36 tabs open :)



Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

hi antony.
because i dont know the reason that my emails are sent twice!
maybe joseph did not unsubscribe me from the previous group, (i mean
google group).

and i changed my full name in gmail settings, it workes in all groups,
and personal emails which i sent, but not nvda.

as i sent my emails, close it and open it again, it immediately
changed to nasrin.

i realy dont know what should i do.

On 8/31/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
Why don't you change the "name" entry in your email client so that it shows

your correct name, followed by your email address, then we would know what
it
is and use it.

Currently you appear as: "nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>"
therefore
people think your name is Nasrin.

I hope that helps,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 18:15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi bhavya.
thanks very much for calling my real name in your second message!
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Antony Stone
 

Why don't you change the "name" entry in your email client so that it shows
your correct name, followed by your email address, then we would know what it
is and use it.

Currently you appear as: "nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>" therefore
people think your name is Nasrin.

I hope that helps,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 18:15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi bhavya.
thanks very much for calling my real name in your second message!
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

hi bhavya.
thanks very much for calling my real name in your second message!
about my sadness for drop supporting of xp, i mentioned in the comment
to gene, just for testing, understanding and helping developers, i
wished that nvda's support for xp was not dropped!
i mean just for my love for nvda, its greateness, my divine duty to
help others, i wished that nvda also supports xp forever!
about uninstalling openoffice and brows mode not available, its an
issue that be discussed and confirmed for many users and maybe even
developers, that uninstalling office program, makes problems for dll
and not supporting of firefox brows mode!
i ment that.
but installing openoffice again, could help me.
i uninstalled it again with the same issue,
reinstalled nvda completely and could use firefox browse mode without problem!
hope that help, God bless you and thanks extremely for your support!

On 8/31/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Zahra,
Please excuse my previous e-mail in favour of this one. You can still
follow NVDA developments by reading the What's New document
corresponding to each new release. For a more consolidated
understanding of new NVDA enhancements, practical usage is essential,
something I believe you are unwilling to do. What continues to puzzle
me why it is not feasible for you to upgrade to latest software.
Sharing this shall help us a great deal in evaluating your position
and aiding you accordingly.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
Gene raised a valid point. Since you have explicitly stated on
multiple occasions that you wish to use NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2
forever and never upgrade, why the passionate opposition to this
decision? In case NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2 with Windows XP is the
software setup you desire to use forever, I can assure you that this
option will remain unaffected. Also, I am unable to figure out the
corelation of the uninstallation of OpenOffice with the Firefox browse
mode bug being referred to here. Please clarify.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its
better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long
standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be
available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no
longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very
inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as
a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You
have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You
will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable
and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably
well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such
bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding
to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in
2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current
software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version
52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can
use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are
too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap
that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Zahra,
Please excuse my previous e-mail in favour of this one. You can still
follow NVDA developments by reading the What's New document
corresponding to each new release. For a more consolidated
understanding of new NVDA enhancements, practical usage is essential,
something I believe you are unwilling to do. What continues to puzzle
me why it is not feasible for you to upgrade to latest software.
Sharing this shall help us a great deal in evaluating your position
and aiding you accordingly.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,
Gene raised a valid point. Since you have explicitly stated on
multiple occasions that you wish to use NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2
forever and never upgrade, why the passionate opposition to this
decision? In case NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2 with Windows XP is the
software setup you desire to use forever, I can assure you that this
option will remain unaffected. Also, I am unable to figure out the
corelation of the uninstallation of OpenOffice with the Firefox browse
mode bug being referred to here. Please clarify.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long
standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be
available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very
inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You
have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You
will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable
and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding
to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can
use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap
that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
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have

had a very large vocabulary. They've named it Thesaurus.

Please reply to the
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CC
me.





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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Nasrin,
Gene raised a valid point. Since you have explicitly stated on
multiple occasions that you wish to use NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2
forever and never upgrade, why the passionate opposition to this
decision? In case NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2 with Windows XP is the
software setup you desire to use forever, I can assure you that this
option will remain unaffected. Also, I am unable to figure out the
corelation of the uninstallation of OpenOffice with the Firefox browse
mode bug being referred to here. Please clarify.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

hi gene.
thanks so much as always for your support and helpful informations.
i should mentioned that its possible even i use nvda 17.1 forever!
so, not supporting xp does not cause major issue for me,
but i realy wish to understand newer features of other versions of
nvda, participate in its improvements, help its users and developers.
i love nvda very much, its my pleasure and divine bounty to help others,
for this reason, i became very sad that i realized nvda does not
support xp anymore.
i also wish that people call my real name zahra.
my real name is zahra, this is only my email address!

On 8/31/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
--
Archaeologists have found a previously-unknown dinosaur which seems to
have

had a very large vocabulary. They've named it Thesaurus.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't*
CC
me.





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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@...> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards, and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
--
Archaeologists have found a previously-unknown dinosaur which seems to
have

had a very large vocabulary. They've named it Thesaurus.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't*
CC
me.




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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap channels is screwed today?

 

brian, could you please send the reported bug which is mention nvda
17.4 does not support xp?
thanks.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Tis has been superseded. I wrote some messages on the dev list and raised a

ticket about xp installs, and it transpires that the only way to fix a
problem with Firefox and potentially other browsers will be to use calls to

parts of windows during initialisation which xP does not possess, and
neither does Vista.

I cannot say I'm surprised as the list of companies which now present a
message that you cannot install this on xp when you run their updates is
growing by the day.
Firefox
Dropbox
K-lite codec pack
Most newer versions of Ccleaner crash when xp and old amd processors are in

use.
I'm sure there are many many more of these.

Firefox on xp is stuck at maintained release 52 or 48 for amd chipped
machines.


The only widespread use of xp I know of in the corporate sense is in the UK

NHS, but this is only on machines that run special hardware for diagnostic
equipment like ultrasound scanners. Most of the NHS now uses Windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap
channels is screwed today?


hi,

Works fine here.


On 8/31/2017 5:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It seems no matter which branch I run, master, next or rc, the update
presented suggests its the release version, ie 2017.3.
How weird is that?
Brian

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al-islam.org


Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

 

hi.
its my pleasure to help others.
read my article and share its link for all people who know and
specially screen reader users and so on.
the article is about security and privacy in different browsers and i
am sure that be useful for all of you.

also i open many many tabs, and i want to give a good news!
i followed github and realized that slowness when openning tens of
tabs is resolved in nvda 2017.4.
good for people using windows seven and later who can benefit from
this great achievement.
God bless you all.

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
you don't have to navigate the bookmark list in Firefox. Firefox has a
search book marks feature.

Open it with control I. type the name or any part of the name, then tab to
the list of results. If you type a unique word in the name of the book
mark, there will only be that one result. Select the book mark by down
arrowing, then up arrowing if you are already on it to start with and press
enter. The page will load. Then, close the book mark search with control
I.

The search for book marks feature is very useful if you have a lot of book
marks and they aren't convenient to get to by moving through the list.
Also, the search function searches all book marks so it doesn't matter how
they are organized insofar as what folders they may be in. the search
function searches everything.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to
one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many
open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to
speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters
application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry
submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are
all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than
naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back
over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the
Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the
likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got
accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the
slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open
last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by
having 36 tabs open :)
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Firefox Alerts

Gene
 

When such announcements are announced, use control l to move to the address bar.  That is near the part of the Firefox window where such announcements are made.  I don't recall if you tab or shift tab to get to the controls regarding the announcement but I think you shift tab one or more times.  You may see an option and if you alt tab further, or perhaps its before the option, I don't recall, you may see something like a button to open a menu regarding the option.  This is a long unaddressed lack in Firefox accessibility, that focus isn't moved to the announcement field and that there is no short cut command in NVDA to move focus there. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:23 AM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts

Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will
anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any
shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the
buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.






Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

kavein thran
 

change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards, and I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
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Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Adobe Digital

MAYANK SHARMA
 

Thanks. will have a look. Good to know of the options I have so I can
choos the best one depending on what I need.

Cheers
M

On 8/31/17, Jitendra Kumar <jeet.invincible@...> wrote:
Just for information: if any of you use firefox, an extension epub
reader is a great thing, and it has next and previous chapter buttons,
and the layout is divided in frames, the first frame is the navigation
pane, second is the main document and last for next and previous
buttons.
it is very accessible, and you can open any epub file using open file
dialog from the firefox.
Hth, thank you.

On 8/30/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Mostly because calibre uses a *lot* of resources, and when I extract the
epub files, I don't use any resources at all just clicking on them
(well, on the first one), to load it into my browser, after that, the
only thing I need to change is the last 1 or 2 digits in the address
bar, and that's real simple. I only change the names of the files to
make it easier for me, it's actually not necessary.

And, besides, why should I convert html to html, it's a waste of time.
The epub books are already html format, and I see no reason to use a 3rd
party program to simply make their names more convenient for myself,
when I can do that myself.


On 8/29/2017 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
It's a lot easier for me to change a number in the address bar of my
browser to move through the pages/chapters than it is to hunt around on
some inaccessible interface, trying to find the previous and next
links.
Um, why not just use Calibre (which is cross platform too, by the way)
to
convert .epub to .htmlz and read it that way. No skipping around in the
address bar, with split000.html and split00001.html.








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Re: Adobe Digital

MAYANK SHARMA
 

Hi.

it's useful to know. Going through some previous mails I did learn
that this format is files zipped together. But how do you unsip or
extract them to be able to use it.

It's still handy. for me, to have a software that opens Epub directly.
except the work around marking specific text to go back to, it seems
accessible.

If I open it in my browser, do I have an option of creating bookmarks?
Could be a generic question but I don't know of a way yet so I can go
back to text I last read, or highlight certain portions to go back to
if I need to refer to them in a meeting.


Thanks

Cheers
M

On 8/29/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Several reasons.

First, it allows me to use my browser of choice, regardless of platform,
which means it doesn't matter if I'm on windows, SX, linux, FreeBSD, or
even dos, (admittedly, I don't use dos very often), so it's a truly
crossplatform solution.

Second, I've never found an epub reader I liked.

It's a lot easier for me to change a number in the address bar of my
browser to move through the pages/chapters than it is to hunt around on
some inaccessible interface, trying to find the previous and next links.

Of course, this goes back to the whole I've never found an epub reader I
like. Most of the ones I've tried were completely inaccessible, and
those that worked didn't work the way I thought they should. I actually
wrote my own epub reader (based on a slimmed down version of a web
browser on OSX), but that code doesn't translate to windows, linux BSD
or other operating systems, so that solution remains only on OSX.

Now, my solution of using a browser doesn't work with encrypted epub
format, and for those you'll have to use some dedicated drm capable epub
reader. I tend to avoid drm whenever possible, and if drm is absolutely
100 percent unavoidable, I generally choose kindle format, since the
kindle reader on the iphone is completely accessible and usable.
Failing that, I opt for pdf, because it's possible to solve that problem
easier than other formats. But, mainly the reason I read epub books
with my browser is because it's the fastest and simplest method for me,
and it's cross platform, which is important to me. As I said, your
mileage may vary. Most folks don't care about whether their epub reader
works on multiple platforms, and even more folks aren't even aware it's
possible to read epub books with anything except 1 or 2 programs, and
personally, I'm all about choice. I think the more options someone has
to accomplish something, the better off said person is. So, by letting
folks know that epub is (generally) just html files that work just fine
in your browser, I offer another solution for folks to read epub formats
for themselves if something happens and their current method stops working.



On 8/29/2017 1:36 PM, James AUSTIN wrote:
Please forgive my question. An interesting approach, but why?


On 29/08/2017 02:21, Travis Siegel wrote:
I don't use anything for epub ebooks except my web browser. An epub
file is just a zip file that has all the content of the book
compressed into a single file. Simply unzip it, then find the
directory with the book files in it(they'll be either html or xml
files), then just open each one with your browser. It's not as nice
as an epub reader, because it lacks the previous and next
chapter/page links an epub reader will have, but it works for me, and
is actually my preferred method for reading epub books. Your mileage
may vary.



On 8/28/2017 12:20 PM, MAYANK SHARMA wrote:
Hi all,

I'm reading an epub file using adobe digital 4.5. It's more or less
accessible but a problem I'm currently facing is to do with selecting
text in the book. My purpose is to highlight the text so I can get
back to it later for a reference. Is there a better way to do so?
Right now I'm not able to select the text so I can highlight, or
perhaps add notes which I haven't yet tried.

I've been reading Epub files on and off using this program, and have
just gone through the help file.

Hope someone figures out what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Mayank