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Re: what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?

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No he means nvda_snapshot_next-14363,0092e3d0.exe

The one before the new code was pushed to that branch.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?


Hi, it's in the announcements message. You can use 1703 for xp and other
older versions of windows. The next update wont support them.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: August-30-17 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?

Hi there.
What is the last version of next NVDA to support NVDA and can I still
download it?
Thanks.






Re: service pack one

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Not a question we can answer. i suspect like office it will be a continuously evolving system, until they hit the buffers with hardware again. At some point we will all have a different concept to grasp. I'm hoping to be long gone by then.

Anyway, I've posted far too much like everyone else on here today. it would be nenice to see some new reply from Mick who I take it is now in the hot seat with the imminent departure of Jamie.

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] service pack one


Well then we're fine for now. Will there be anymore versions of windows? Or
is ten the last update?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter
Beasley
Sent: August-31-17 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] service pack one



I just checked and I also have it.



From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:04 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] service pack one



Nevermind. I do have service pack one. I just typed winver and it said I
have it.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Dropbox, in my opinion is far superior to One drive or Google drive in the simple way it works. I use it to update a remote web site via my web provider. Even a trained chimp could do it!

However I fear that cloud storage will soon start to be charged for as the free gravy train needs some new investment to make up for lost advert revenue!
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree with Gean except ofr your observation on Dropbox's site. Ive had
no problems with it. I'm considering ditching my free account anyway due
to that fact 1 Drive is part of WIN 10. I don't see the need to have 2
file sharing services.


On 8/31/2017 10:59 AM, Gene wrote:
nasrin
It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long
standing problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you
unload and reload and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode
won't be available. This necessitates closing and opening the browser
again, which can be annoying. The developers want to correct this
problem but continued support for XP makes it much harder to do. And,
as you see, there are many other reasons to discontinue support. One
significant program that no longer runs in XP is Drop Box, which
wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop Box site isn't fully
accessible and its design makes it very inefficient to work with using
a browser. For many users that's a very important issue. And at some
point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop support for
XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a public
service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.
Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and I would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP.
You have to use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard
to find over time in the used market and increasingly less reliable as
they age. You will still be able to use the current version of XP
which is very capable and which will meett many peoples' needs who use
XP well or reasonably well for quite some time. And I recall you
saying you didn't intend to upgrade from 17.2 ever because its so
wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad news for you? You don't
even intend to use the latest available version.
Gene
----- Original message -----
*From:* Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2
service pack 1

Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding
to stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current
software will
not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version
52 (March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions
of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should
continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack 1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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As long as they are not windows 10S machines.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I have seen windows 10 computers in the last two weeks for Lestin $200.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:17 PM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I fully understand why old operating systems can't be supported for ever. You do have to keep in mind that some people can't afford to purchase new or newer computers which can run newer operating systems. In many if not most situations if you are still running XP that computer is probably not capable of running Win 10 so a free upgrade to Win 10 doesn't help. So either you have to start saving what you can to upgrade to a newer computer or just stay with the older versions of NVDA and hope your old XP machine keeps on working..

On 8/31/2017 12:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7
On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.





Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Jack,

Do you happen to know the GitHub reference to this problem from earlier sources? I would like to add my issue to the list.

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacques Stassen
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

This occasionally happens to me too, on an i7 machine on Windows 10 Pro.
In my case it's Office 365, which, at this point, effectively is Office 2016. I have the shark installed on this system too and have not been able to reproduce the same behaviour with the alternative screen reader.
I believe there have been sufficient reports on this with regard to NVDA to make it a point of concern. As stated numerous times, also on my website, I am a staunch user of NVDA, but believe some basic inconsistent behaviour needs to be addressed at this point.

Jacques

On 31/08/2017 19:13, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is
available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Depends where you live I'd imagine. Most of the recycled ones are very very cheap.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Tanner" <david.tanner100@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


And you could probably buy a brand new windows 10 computer many computer discount stores for less thing you'll pay for a windows seven computer with a nine-year-old operating system.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com> wrote:

I saw a few WIN 7 PC's for sale at Newegg and Amazon. It still can be bought.


On 8/31/2017 1:14 PM, Arlene wrote:
If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.








Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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There are in the uk many resellers who also have windows 8 on them as well, Andes has been said, if the hardware can run 8 then it can run 10 and in fact you can still get 10 for free if you are a VI. Best be quick though, as I'm not sure for how much longer.
I'm going to buy new for Christmas. Not a really top line machine but something usable. I am using a good machine now. It cost me in 2015 over 800 quid, but the same spec now is half that. Rather like everything else these days its out of date before you leave the shop. You have to just accept it. This is why I'm surprised to hear that even in poor countries they are not giving windows 7 machines away with corn flakes by now.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I saw a few WIN 7 PC's for sale at Newegg and Amazon. It still can be bought.


On 8/31/2017 1:14 PM, Arlene wrote:
If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Tanner
Sent: August-31-17 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.







getting font information from displaytext

Pettyjohn, Chris G. (FTC)
 

Hi,
 Is there a way to get the font information for the text found inside an object?  I am dealing with a custom control grid (tAdvStringGrid).  NVDA does not speak the highlighted row of information as a user navigates the grid with up and down arrows.  When a row is highlighted the text turns from black to white.  Is there a way to pull the font color information for an objects text?  If there is I can find the text that is highlighted.

Chris


Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Office is fully up to date, Rui! Thanks for the suggestion but it makes no difference. The problem is not with Office nor Windows 10 it is with NVDA. There seems to be some internal element that NVDA is interacting with that does not complete before Outlook times out. NVDA is a different animal from JAWS. The latter does not invade the application in the same way and so does not get entangled in slower processes. I am hoping that someone from the NVDA development team will respond and explain why this is happening and if there are any plans to address it.


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Have you checked by Office updates?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Data: 31 de agosto de 2017 18:13
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Please, please, can someone help me with this problem?

Every day now, NVDA is breaking Outlook 2016 as soon as I try to open a sub folder.
I can send and receive messages in the Inbox without any problem. I can send messages into any subfolder from the Inbox. If I try to go to the subfolder from the Inbox using control -y, Outlook hangs and then the following announcement appears:
Microsoft Outlook has stopped working
A problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available.
Close program

After this Outlook closes and I drop back to the desktop.

I am using Office 2016 in Windows 10 - latest update and NVDA 2017.3 - also latest update.

This problem has been happening at random over the past three months, but, lately, has become chronic.

I am very fond of NVA and prefer to use it for everything. I was astonished to find that JAWS 17 was able to operate Outlook without this problem and that is still the case. I am convinced, therefore, that this is a problem caused by NVDA conflicting with something in Outlook.

All suggestions very welcome! This is really frustrating and I cannot find any solution.


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I have a laptop that says its 64 bit ready, but when i run windows 7 8 and 10 test programs on it it asks me to update the bios. Going on the Dell website it states I cannot do this any more but I can run 32 bit version of 7 if I want to.

None of the other three xp machines can even run this according to the test programs. Mostly due to hardware issues in the chipsets and bios.

Not that I was intending to do this.

I guess we would need to know where the people are who are going to be affected by this and see if anything can be done. However getting more functionality on a limited spec machine is going to be very hard to do
Indeed Most of my old xp machines run slow on complex web pages. OK you can use word XP OK on them, and maybe email, but not a lot else really.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, Also the code for browsers use change to keep newer systems going. Also ten year old systems may not be capable of these new codes.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: August-31-17 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1



I fully understand why old operating systems can't be supported for ever. You do have to keep in mind that some people can't afford to purchase new or newer computers which can run newer operating systems. In many if not most situations if you are still running XP that computer is probably not capable of running Win 10 so a free upgrade to Win 10 doesn't help. So either you have to start saving what you can to upgrade to a newer computer or just stay with the older versions of NVDA and hope your old XP machine keeps on working..



On 8/31/2017 12:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <mailto:whocrazy@internode.on.net> <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've complained before about error boxes that don't go away until clicked, especially ones that occur as a result of an NVDA crash. I even reported one on list, but instead of thinking it should be fixed, most devs just decided it was a perfectly legitimate error message, and didn't need to be addressed at all.  Kind of silly to prevent your screen reader from restarting just because of a message box that requires you to press an ok button instead of going away after a few seconds, which would allow the screen reader to be restarted w/no problem, but each to their own I suppose. <shrug>

On 8/31/2017 5:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to  make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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its alright now, its been let out of intensive care.

Still have some add ons to reinstall.
brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree. This is why I made a big stink on the add-ons list late last night. Its time to move on folks. I agree with with Bryan in the UK. This could have been handled much better. Sorry to hear your XP box got bricked sir, but again its time to move on.


On 8/31/2017 1:11 PM, David Tanner wrote:
You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.





Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Actually I've yet to encounter any Windows 7 system without sp1. I suspect it was pushed to all machines at some time in the past and most fresh OEM installs done by second user sellers will be like this machine, using sp1.
I suppose my main issue for 10 is that I have yet to find an email client that does what I need on multiple accounts like Outlook Express does. But as long as Mick and co keep the app module in, then I can still use it on 7. 10 is a different thing due to the problems with major updates removing outlook express.

If I could find an email client that did usenet and email with each account in a separate little box so no long tree views with a need to work out which email address to reply from then I'd switch tomorrow, but it seems this does not exist in an accessible form yet.

I fail to understand the ethos of Microsofts email clients since Outlook Express.
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If you can do it. You'd have to go to a place where they have refurbished 7
systems. Or you can get a windows ten computer straight from the store.
You'd be better off to do that. If you get win 7. You need the service pack
one if you want NVDA Updates.

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to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired.
Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then
expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more
to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.







Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I imagine his hardware won't support it that is why.
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You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I don't think this tone is helpful here.
I do know many people who are stuck on xp. However the functionality I get from nvda 2017.3 and indeed snaps up to when next crashed is far better than any screenreader I had previously, so why should I complain. All my clunkers will bite the dust eventually and till then i can use them as stores and for other non critical tasks.

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For as many years as you have been using NVDA in technology I would think you should understand by now the price that it cost so developer to keep supporting a 10-year-old operating system which has even less and less relevant with the software that is now available. For the cost that you can purchase a windows 10 computer it would be smarter for you to buy a new computer for 100 or $200 then to expect in the Valtr to spend thousands of extra dollars supporting a 10-year-old operating system

David Tanner

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I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

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And the search for bookmarks works very well.
I do hope though that when Firefox 56 comes out they fix the focus issue.
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I like your suggestion Bryan about bookmarks. I rarely use multiple tabs. I have several sites bookmarked.


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How much memory has your computer got and are you using the 32 bit or 64 bit version of Firefox?
Might be wise for me to say that 4 gigs is definitely slow compared to 8 when you start opening tabs, escpecially if javascript is active on a fair number of them.
Also some people say the 64 bit version is more capable, but have never tried it as I don't think I would open more than about four on a session.
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thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by having 36 tabs open :)




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Sorry this is off topic, but my name is often mud or that bloke who won't shut up or indeed my last name is often mis spelled. OuI You is probably best. grin

I had not noticed his different name in words and email till you mentioned it.

Lets all lighten up eh?

I do understand where he comes from on this, as he wants to help but has problems getting a newer system. I will say this though, Windows 7 in my opinion is still better than 10. However the potential of 10 is very good. I just hope they stop bringing out so many different incarnations as complete rebuilds.
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Why don't you change the "name" entry in your email client so that it shows
your correct name, followed by your email address, then we would know what it
is and use it.

Currently you appear as: "nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>" therefore
people think your name is Nasrin.

I hope that helps,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 18:15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi bhavya.
thanks very much for calling my real name in your second message!
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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No me neither, I think people are getting two things confused.
1. there is a known bug in some versions of Open office and for that matter demo versions of Microsoft Office that altered DLL files are removed but the old ones not re registered with the system. this causes browse mode not to work as nvda cannot see the access info for many browsers
2 the problem of late has been that if nvda is rebooted, say after an upgrade and firefox is running, the iaccessible 2 API is locked out. It has other problems as well and in the most serious cases needs a complete reboot of windows. However 7 and up do actually basically provide a way to access this api via another more secure and preferred route but its a piece of code not in xp or vista.
This is not going to be the only issue like this either, so you can see that you are between a rock and a hard place. Do you live with the bug due to xp code not allowing it to be sorted without rebooting or use the new code and basically crash nvda when its run on xp. Remember it has to initialise this code at start up.
OK this is a gross over simplification and I had to give up trying to really understand it from the code this morning at about 3 of clock but I think that is the gist of it!

I think Mick originally assumed he had done a work around but when that started to crash nvda on xp as well he made a decision I think.
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Hi Nasrin,
Gene raised a valid point. Since you have explicitly stated on
multiple occasions that you wish to use NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2
forever and never upgrade, why the passionate opposition to this
decision? In case NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2 with Windows XP is the
software setup you desire to use forever, I can assure you that this
option will remain unaffected. Also, I am unable to figure out the
corelation of the uninstallation of OpenOffice with the Firefox browse
mode bug being referred to here. Please clarify.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@gmail.com> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
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Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Gene
 

I said entity because I have no idea who owns it now.  It's probably a company but since I didn't know, I said entity.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Well entity?
 It sounds exactly like it even to the lisp!
 I got mine on an old cd called Home Page reader by IBM it was a freebie.
Goes back a very long way!

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop


Via Voice isn't Eloquence.  it is similar in sound and performance, but it
isn't the same program and isn't owned by the same entity.

Gene
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I've not noticed this on any of the legal Eloquence drivers, even the old
sapi 4 one called via voice. I agree that old hacked one was rubbish but
anyone using that still would probably have no hair left by now. smiley.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop


> hi.
> this may be caused by an old version of elequence.
> before you update switch to espeak then upgrade and then switch back.
> also do a restart of your laptop.
> i dont mean shutdown and restart.
> i mean a full restart.
>
> On 8/31/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm did you try to alt tab a few times.
>>
>> Sometimes I get a uac prompt, usually it pops up but if I for example
>> have more than a couple windows open then it may be hidden.
>>
>> The trick is to know how long something should take to download and if
>> you heard the completed sound or think it should be well should be, then
>> you need to alt tab.
>>
>> On the other hand, the other way you can handle this is download the
>> main exe file, close everything window wise and run that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/08/2017 6:39 p.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
>>> I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.
>>> The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would
>>> be updated and asked me to click OK which I did.  After that I keep
>>> getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is
>>> being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps
>>> indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation
>>> failed.  How do I get over this problem?  Should I remove the existing
>>> copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?
>>>
>>> Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other
>>> laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from
>>> that?  In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from
>>> reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Akbar
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...> wrote:
>>>> I got no such notification on either of the laptops.  Anyway I will
>>>> try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now.  Will get back to
>>>> you after that with the result.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Akbar
>>>>
>>>> On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>>> When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising
>>>>> that
>>>>> you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before
>>>>> you
>>>>> can install the program.  Sometimes this dialog appears behind other
>>>>> windows.  In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could
>>>>>> download the new version without any difficulty and also after
>>>>>> clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the
>>>>>> configuring
>>>>>> progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got
>>>>>> an error message saying that the installation failed.  I tried the
>>>>>> same thing three times with the same result.  Could someone please
>>>>>> enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which
>>>>>> is an Asus.  Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the
>>>>>> latest version.  On the second laptop the installation took only a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> minutes and there was no problem at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I give below the log I received for the installation failure.  Any
>>>>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Akbar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Log for failure:
>>>>>> INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):
>>>>>> Starting NVDA
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):
>>>>>> Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda
>>>>>> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):
>>>>>> Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> NVDA version 2017.3
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
>>>>>> 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using comtypes version 0.6.2
>>>>>> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Loaded synthDriver eloquence
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
>>>>>> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Braille input initialized
>>>>>> INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Using liblouis version 3.2.0
>>>>>> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
>>>>>> WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):
>>>>>> Java Access Bridge not available
>>>>>> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):
>>>>>> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):
>>>>>> NVDA initialized
>>>>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):
>>>>>> Failed to execute installer
>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>    File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
>>>>>>    File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated
>>>>>>    File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
>>>>>> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
>>>>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):
>>>>>> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  I use the book mark menu when convenient.  If I can get to something faster nby first letter navigation because of its position in the menu or if I can up arrow a small number of times to get to something that is more convenient than using search.  there are many times when search is more convenient.  I have no strange occurrences when using the menu.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue

And as I found, it does not then go dashing off until you actually finish
the selection. In the bookmark menu some strange things can happen.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


you don't have to navigate the bookmark list in Firefox.  Firefox has a
search book marks feature.

Open it with control I.  type the name or any part of the name, then tab to
the list of results.  If you type a unique word in the name of the book
mark, there will only be that one result.  Select the book mark by down
arrowing, then up arrowing if you are already on it to start with and press
enter.  The page will load.  Then, close the book mark search with control
I.

The search for book marks feature is very useful if you have a lot of book
marks and they aren't convenient to get to by moving through the list.
Also, the search function searches all book marks so it doesn't matter how
they are organized insofar as what folders they may be in.  the search
function searches everything.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to
one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many
open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to
speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters
application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry
submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are
all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than
naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back
over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the
Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the
likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got
accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the
slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open
last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by
having 36 tabs open :)