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10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

Kevin Chao
 

10 Super Efficient Ways Inbox by Gmail Saves You Time

Gmail is good as ever, but could Inbox by Gmail be the better choice for you?

Inbox by Gmail is Google’s most recent approach to email organization and management. It takes some getting used to, but if it’s capable of giving you a simpler email workflow, it’s worth adopting. And now you don’t even need an invite to use Inbox!

TIL you can mute in @inboxbygmail by pressing M.

— Josh Todd (@JoshTodd) April 6, 2016

To help you decide whether you should switch over to Inbox completely, we’ll show you some of the ways in which it’ll make email better for you. But first, let’s show you where everything is in Inbox’s interface.

Where Inbox Options Are

You’ll find all of Inbox’s options and settings in one of five locations:

  • The toolbar that appears when you hover over a message – This is where you’ll find the options to pin an email, snooze it, mark it as done (or move it to the inbox)

inbox-message-toolbar

  • The pop-up menu that appears when you click on the Move to… icon (three dots arranged vertically) in the toolbar shown above
  • The icon-driven menu hidden behind the Compose button – You’ll be able to see the menu when you hover over the big red plus (+) icon at the bottom right in Inbox
  • Inbox’s Settings dialog – To bring this up, click on the hamburger icon at the top left in the Inbox interface, and in the fly-out sidebar that appears, click on Settings

inbox-settings

  • Individual bundle settings – To bring up the Settings dialog for any bundle, hover on its link in the sidebar and click on the gear icon that appears next to it.

inbox-bundle-settings

Now let’s see how Inbox saves you, the user, both time and effort.

1. Turns Your Emails into To-dos

With Gmail, you can send emails as tasks to your to-do list app, but with Inbox, your email is your to-do list. Inbox treats it as such because it understands that most emails need you to take some kind of action.

Inbox allows you to mark emails as “done” instead of “read” or “archived”. That may be a simple change of wording, but it does put a different spin on email management.

I'm loving Inbox by Gmail. Making emails "actionable" made the experience amazing for a To-Do List junkie like me – Mark "Done"#InboxbyGmail

— Ashley Mitchell (@amitchellidea) October 29, 2014

Emails that you mark as done get shunted out of your way. It’s like checking tasks off your to-do list and is the equivalent of archiving in Gmail. You can also pin important emails to the top of your inbox for quick access to them.

2. Sorts Email Right for You

Inbox takes the onus of sorting your email and does a pretty good job of it. It places similar emails in groups called Bundles.

When you’re setting up Inbox for the first time, you’ll get a prompt to choose which type of emails you’d like to see grouped into a separate bundle. Trips, Promos, Updates, Forums, and Finance are some of the bundle types that you can choose from.

inbox-settings-dialog

Use the Create new… sidebar link if you’d like to create a custom bundle. You can go back and tweak your bundle preferences anytime via Inbox settings.

3. Highlights Just the Data You Need

From flight times to car rental info to order confirmations, Inbox is familiar with the kind of data that you’re usually looking for in your inbox. That’s why it keeps that important data highlighted at all times in scannable cards for easy identification.

inbox-card

Inbox also makes it easy to tell if an email has attachments, photos, inline images, links to videos, etc., by making their thumbnails visible in your inbox.

inbox-thumbnails

If you mention a link, a phone number, or an email address while creating a reminder in Inbox, its Assist feature brings up extra information that it thinks you might need. We’re sharing this tweet as an example:

Another win for @inboxbygmail. I set this reminder for myself a month ago, and Inbox knows when my pharmacy opens! pic.twitter.com/pUMliylPnc

— Danger Manley (@DangerManley) March 30, 2016

You’ll appreciate that Inbox is smart enough to not display sensitive data like license keys in cards.

4. Speeds up Email Replies

For any email that’s currently open, Inbox lists three text snippets beneath the message. These are replies crafted by Inbox to save you some time. Click on any of the snippets and a new draft appears with that snippet pasted in the body of the reply email. You can review and edit the email before you hit Send.

inbox-smart-reply

Inbox notes the changes you make and learns from them, crafting better response options with each iteration. It also works its way up to more complex sentences as you keep using the Smart Reply feature. Smart replies are available on the web and on mobile.

The @inboxbygmail auto-replies are creepily accurate. AI is making impressive strides. And saving me time. :-)

— Bart Verkoeijen (@bgever) April 8, 2016

5. Speeds up Searches

The problem with email searches is that you still have to look through the results to find key information. Inbox knows that this can be time consuming and does its best to push the right information to the top. Then it shows you other relevant results in two groups: Top results and All results.

When I searched for flight time in Inbox, right at the top it showed me the most relevant card that matched my query — a card highlighting the flight number as well as the departure date and time for the earliest upcoming flight. Handy!

inbox-smart-search

6. Acts as Your Travel Assistant

Tracking travel plans has never been this smooth. Inbox has a dedicated bundle called a trip bundle that gathers all emails related to each of your trips in one place. Click on Trips in the sidebar to view trip bundles for upcoming trips as well as completed ones. Click on any of them and there’s all the right data you need!

I am travelling soon! Who wants to meet? Let me know ??

ps love how @inboxbygmail automatically creates itineraries pic.twitter.com/83NEVqCCUW

— Antal János Monori (@anthonymonori) April 7, 2016

You can even share trip summaries with family and friends quite easily. All you have to do is open a trip bundle, click on the Share trip icon (right-facing curved arrow), fill in the recipient’s email address, and hit Send. Inbox takes care of adding the trip summary to the email when you click on Share trip.

Trip-Info

7. Prompts You to Create Reminders

When you receive an email that Inbox identifies as a to-do, it suggests adding a reminder for it. You can accept its suggestion by clicking on ADD REMINDER. This way you don’t need to follow up on emails that require action. All you have to do is accept Inbox’s reminder suggestions and get on with your work till Inbox prompts you again to take action.

inbox-reminder-suggestion

Reminders that you create in Inbox and tie to a specific time and location show up as cards in Google Now. Also, when you add a reminder in Google Now or in Google Keep, it turns up in Inbox. You’ll find it under Reminders in the sidebar.

inbox-reminder-from-keep

8. Keeps Emails out of Sight Till You Need Them

Emails that you don’t need right now are often a distraction because you have to bypass them to get to the ones you do need. To help tackle this problem, Inbox also allows you to snooze emails for later.

Snoozing an email hides it temporarily and moves it back to your inbox when you’re ready for it. If you still aren’t, feel free to hit Snooze again.

You can pick from snooze times like Next week, Someday, and This weekend or add a custom snooze date, time, and place.

inbox-snooze-email

9. Lets You Control the Frequency of Promo and Update Emails

It’s annoying to have promotional emails or update emails trickle into your inbox throughout the day. But with Inbox, you can opt to display the Promo and Update bundles in your inbox just once a day or even once a week. The catch is that you can’t change the time at which the bundles appear in your inbox. The default is 7 AM and you’ll have to live with that, for now anyway.

To set the frequency for promo emails, open the Settings dialog for the Promos bundle. There, under Show bundle, select the radio button next to Once a day or Once a week and close the dialog. Repeat this process for the Updates bundle.

inbox-promo-settings

In the bundle settings dialog, if you have set the Bundle messages in the inbox option to Off, you won’t get the email frequency option, but you will get one to automatically mark messages as done when they arrive.

Note: Promo emails include deals, offers, etc. and update emails include notification emails like confirmations and alerts.

10. Learns What You Need

Inbox uses intelligent scanning to sort your emails, highlight key information, and to provide suggestions for reminders, replies, and searches. What’s great is that the more you work with Inbox, the better it gets at giving you relevant suggestions. This is sure to save you a lot of typing and correction as you continue to use Inbox.

Also, you don’t need to learn or remember any special syntax to interact with Inbox, because it recognizes natural language just fine.

Inbox by Gmail now uses natural language recognition to suggest reminders to add http://t.co/Aii7xayyUU pic.twitter.com/UACcl7ufng

— Ali Güçlü ? (@aliguclu) June 21, 2015

Inbox Is Great, But…

The quick and easy data access that Inbox provides is made possible by the data-scanning mechanism built into it. This means that Inbox trawls your messages to bring up the information that’s most relevant to you. Creepy? It sure is, unless the lack of privacy doesn’t bother you much. This intrusion into every part of your life is the biggest problem with Inbox, granted that it’s an intrusion that has your blessings if you sign up for Inbox.

Started looking at Inbox by Google. Became concerned about privacy. Remembered I already use Gmail so I don't have privacy anymore.

— Chris of ComicBookDB (@comicbookdb) November 7, 2014

Except for the privacy bit, none of Inbox’s cons seem to be deal breakers. A unified inbox feature would have been a useful addition for managing multiple Google accounts in Inbox though. For now, you’ll have to stick to account switching just like you do in Gmail. A one-click delete option for emails would also have been nice.

Unbox Inbox!

You won’t know if Inbox is worth making your primary email client unless you spend some time with it. Get started on that today. If it’s been more than a year since you tried Inbox and went back to Gmail, give it another shot, because Inbox has evolved quite a bit between then and now.

The takeaway here is that if it’s efficiency that you’re looking for, Inbox gives you an awesome deal. Not so much if privacy is your top concern at all costs.

Have you switched to Inbox by Gmail? Has it changed your email workflow for the better? Did you hate it and go back to regular Gmail? We’d love to hear about your experience with Inbox.

Image Credit: Hourglass clock by Dima Sobko via Shutterstock


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Excuse me but I’m not the only one who had this problem. I had a sighted nephew work with windows live mail and he even said that NVDA didn’t see the message body. As far as seeing the message in the preview pane, I do have that turned off and I can hit enter to automatically read a message. I’m sure other people on the list had similar problems with NVDA and windows live mail. I’m wondering if you did a mouse click for NVDA to see the message body. I’m not trying to argue with you—just wondering why I have to hit alt M and enter to type a message or reply to one.
 
Rosemarie
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

Ali Colak
 

Thanks to all who've replied. I originally downloaded a portable
coppy of Mozilla on to a thumb drive, than added web visum to that
and it worked. Then I saw the e-mails about the signed version of web
visum onto my actually computer, and that's what I'll be using from
now on.

Thanks again

On 4/16/16, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@gmail.com> wrote:
Webvisum CAPTCHA Solver returns to Firefox
<http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15142>

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

Almost every time I see a statement on technology lists I follow
preceedded with the words I heard or something similar, the statement is
either wrong or very misleading. I quoted and linked to the source I got
the information from, a Firefox document that is part of a Wiki by
Mozilla. I see no reason to question its accuracy. It appears to come
from the developers.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:18 AM
*To:* nvda@groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
As a temporary solution, you can do this. As you will see, it is only
temporary.
From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
•Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement
to
be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox
47:
(Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for
Desktop
will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.

It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of
this
type and give a way to disable it.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!


hi.
someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
to deactivate it.
i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
in firefox since version 41.
hope that help.
thank for your question and god bless you.

On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more,
either
use

an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in
the
advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a
nightmare!


Or am I doing something wrong.
Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar
or
enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?

Any suggestions?
Ali






--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org





Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

Kevin Chao
 

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 11:19 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Almost every time I see a statement on technology lists I follow preceedded with the words I heard or something similar, the statement is either wrong or very misleading.  I quoted and linked to the source I got the information from,  a Firefox document that is part of a Wiki by Mozilla.  I see no reason to question its accuracy.  It appears to come from the developers.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> As a temporary solution, you can do this.  As you will see, it is only
> temporary.
> From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
> •Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement to
> be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox 47:
> (Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for Desktop
> will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.
>
> It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of this
> type and give a way to disable it.
>
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>
>
> hi.
> someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
> in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
> to deactivate it.
> i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
> in firefox since version 41.
> hope that help.
> thank for your question and god bless you.
>
> On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>> I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more, either
>> use
>>
>> an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in the
>> advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>>
>>
>>>  Or am I doing something wrong.
>>>  Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
>>> just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
>>> notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
>>> pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar or
>>> enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
>>>  I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
>>> so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?
>>>
>>>  Any suggestions?
>>>  Ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
> written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
> good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
> and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
> burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
> believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
> has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
> holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Windows live mail question

 

Rosemarie,

           You were having this problem before and it is inexplicable to me.  When I open Windows Live Mail 2012 on my machine and I'm in my inbox message list all I have to do is either TAB to jump to the preview pane to see the message or hit ENTER while on the message to have it open in its own Window.

           Reading e-mail as plain text is fine if you want to do so, but it is not necessary for security reasons.  Patches to prevent execution of code via HTML e-mail were put into place in contemporary e-mail clients many years ago.  This is one of those practices that, while once valuable, is really not so any more.

           I can't figure out where you'd even use ALT+M, because that's not a command in the reading side of WLM 2012.

           There are commands under ALT+M, the Message Ribbon, when you're replying (or composing a new message), but when I reply I am immediately thrown into the edit box for the message box at the outset and can just type my message.  If I am composing a new message I am thrown into the To: field when the window opens up, after filling that in TAB takes me to Subject, and after filling that in TAB takes me to the message body.  This is the behavior I've always observed on client computers as well.  NVDA just follows right along with where the system cursor has landed each and every time.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

   
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
I never use alt m and I don't know what that command does.  If you are reading mail as plain text using the ribbon version of Windows Live Mail and NVDA, simply opening the message by pressing enter won't allow you to read the message in the usual way.  I don't know what the case is with other screen-readers.  Using the preview pane does allow you to read it in the usual way.  In other words, in the message list, move to a message you want to read.  If the preview pane is on, as it is by default, tab once to be in the preview pane.  Issue the read to end command and the message will be read.  Once finished, either shift tab once or tab twice to get back to the message list.  Then do whatever you want, delete the message or move to another message or anything you want to do in the program. 
 
While I think the preview pane should be off if you read all mail as html, if you read mail as plain text, there is no security risk having the preview pane on.
When reading mail as html, you don't have to use the preview pane.  You can simply press enter to read the message so you can conveniently have it off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 
Hi, Brian,
 
I just installed windows live mail but I do have a question. How do you get NVDA to see the message body? I have to hit alt M and enter for NVDA to see the message body.
 
Thanks.

Rosemarie
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Gene
 

I never use alt m and I don't know what that command does.  If you are reading mail as plain text using the ribbon version of Windows Live Mail and NVDA, simply opening the message by pressing enter won't allow you to read the message in the usual way.  I don't know what the case is with other screen-readers.  Using the preview pane does allow you to read it in the usual way.  In other words, in the message list, move to a message you want to read.  If the preview pane is on, as it is by default, tab once to be in the preview pane.  Issue the read to end command and the message will be read.  Once finished, either shift tab once or tab twice to get back to the message list.  Then do whatever you want, delete the message or move to another message or anything you want to do in the program. 
 
While I think the preview pane should be off if you read all mail as html, if you read mail as plain text, there is no security risk having the preview pane on.
When reading mail as html, you don't have to use the preview pane.  You can simply press enter to read the message so you can conveniently have it off. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question

Hi, Brian,
 
I just installed windows live mail but I do have a question. How do you get NVDA to see the message body? I have to hit alt M and enter for NVDA to see the message body.
 
Thanks.

Rosemarie
 
 
 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,
 
I just installed windows live mail but I do have a question. How do you get NVDA to see the message body? I have to hit alt M and enter for NVDA to see the message body.
 
Thanks.

Rosemarie
 
 
 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question
 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian


Re: Windows live mail question

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Not Helga, but be assured Thunderbird does work very well under Windows 10.

On 16 Apr 2016, at 16:15, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:

hello helga how are you?
did you try mozilla thunderbird for emails?
its an open source program from firefox company.
i did not know that windows live mail is not compatible with newer
versions of windows.
i use windows xp and it is installed for me by default.
thanks so much and god bless you too!

On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
From feedback I have, live mail 16 is needed,this is the one with
ribbonmenus.

Would not know if there are any screens that a portable install will not
access during this on windows 10, but somebody will know. If she has been an

Outlook Express user, she may prefer the version of OE a third party has
built which does not run on windows 10. It needs a small donation to the
authors via paypal, but you get installation on three machines and support
via their web forum.

I do not have the address, but I just searched for Outlook express for
windows 10 and there are seemingly only two options, one is this normal
version and the other is a rewrite look alike that doesnot seem to work with

screenreaders.
A
couple of words of warning. Whatever you install, if its going to be used
with any access tech, turn off the preview pane when setting up. It can make

nvda do odd things.
Also if you try to install the live mal 14 version it seems to get stuck on

windows 7 and later. It used to work but I think a windows update has messed

it up.
If you use OE even on xp, with nvda, occasionally OE forgets how to display

messages or to be able to write them. an OE restart normally fixes this one.

Certainly works on xp and 7.

Happens if multiple identities are created and the preview pane is on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Helga Schreiber" <helga.schreiber26@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] Windows live mail question


Hi all! How are you all? Do any of you use Windows Live mail for your
emails? If so, can you tell me some steps in how can I install windows
live mail with NVDA? I'm just owndering. I want to install windows live mail

in my mom's computer and set her email account. On it! However, I don't know

if that is possible to do with NVDA guys? My mom has windows 10 in her
laptop computer, so I iwll use the portable copy of NVDA that i have in my
drive in order to install WLM on her computer and set everything up! On my
windows computer I don't have windows 10 there yet i will really appreciate

it if you can help me and give me some suggestions regarding this matter! I

look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind

Students.
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Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: winamp book markers?

 

how do I book mark a spot in a file and then go back to it?

On 4/16/2016 8:19 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hello.
winamp has bookmark option in itself by default and you dont need to
install an extra addon.
hope that help.
thanks and god bless you.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
A tech on another list created a book mark utility that is not screen-reader
dependent. You can download it from this page:
http://opopanax.net/download/
Search the page for the word Winamp.

I don't use it so I won't discuss it further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] winamp book markers?


Hello when listening to a file in winamp is there a nvda add on that
would allow me to book mark a file to go back to it at at a later time
like there is in jaws?
thanks
Hank



Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

Gene
 

Almost every time I see a statement on technology lists I follow preceedded with the words I heard or something similar, the statement is either wrong or very misleading.  I quoted and linked to the source I got the information from,  a Firefox document that is part of a Wiki by Mozilla.  I see no reason to question its accuracy.  It appears to come from the developers.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> As a temporary solution, you can do this.  As you will see, it is only
> temporary.
> From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
> •Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement to
> be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox 47:
> (Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for Desktop
> will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.
>
> It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of this
> type and give a way to disable it.
>
> Gene
> ----- original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>
>
> hi.
> someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
> in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
> to deactivate it.
> i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
> in firefox since version 41.
> hope that help.
> thank for your question and god bless you.
>
> On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
>> I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more, either
>> use
>>
>> an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in the
>> advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@...>
>> To: <nvda@groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
>> Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!
>>
>>
>>>  Or am I doing something wrong.
>>>  Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
>>> just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
>>> notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
>>> pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar or
>>> enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
>>>  I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
>>> so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?
>>>
>>>  Any suggestions?
>>>  Ali
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
> written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
> good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
> and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
> burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
> believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
> has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
> holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: Windows live mail question

 

Windows Live Mail, along with Thunderbird, are the two most screen-reader friendly no-cost e-mail clients that I've worked with in recent years.

I have no problem with WLM 2012 with NVDA nor with JAWS, and I never turn the preview pane off for two reasons:  it's on by default and if you do want someone sighted either to help you or just to take a look at something it's very convenient.

If your mother is not already familiar with a specific e-mail client I'd suggest Windows Live Mail 2012.  There is really no purpose in using the older versions of the program for someone who's got to learn from scratch to begin with.  The ribbon system is here to stay and it's putting off the inevitable to try to avoid it.  Do not use Outlook Express, even if you can get a hacked copy.

Brian


Re: Browse Mode vs Focus Mode Sound

 

Andre,

         And not always in Word, either.  I wonder which version of Word was the first to have this implemented?  I've already opened a bug report for NVDA 2016.1 in combination with MS-Word 2010 with regard to the Elements List not functioning at all there.

         It seems to work just fine in Excel 2010 and not at all in Access 2010.  I've not tested Outlook or PowerPoint.

Brian


Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

 

Nasrin,

           Gene is correct.  Additional security measures are often implemented with a period of transition where they can be disabled to give developers who are not proactive (and the users of their products) time to get things ready for firm enforcement.

            All add-ons will require digital signature in the not too distant future.  Any unsigned add-ons that are currently functioning in the latest version of Firefox are doing so because tweaks have been made by the user to the "deep" browser settings to override the digital signature requirement.  You will not be able to make that override in perpetuity.

            It makes no sense whatsoever to leave gaping security loopholes because "it's easier" for developers and end-users who don't want to keep up with threats that have been identified to make additional security necessary.  Certain developers simply stop working on things for other reasons, too, and it's quite clear that WebVisum is dead in the long term.  The digital signing done on the work-around version is just that, a work-around, but no one's keeping anything up on the back end which is necessary for ongoing viability.

Brian


Re: Browse Mode vs Focus Mode Sound

Andre Fisher
 

It is only available in Word unfortunately.

On 4/16/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
I've updated to 5.1.2, but haven't opened it yet.

I'll check it out, but I'm afraid that function (navigation within
documents) is only woking in Ms Word.






Il 16/04/2016 17:10, Brian Vogel ha scritto:

I can't get NVDA 2016.1 to respond to NVDA+Space to change modes in
Libre Office Writer in Libre Office 5.1. I did get the "there's an
update available" notification when I started Libre this morning but
it's for a minor dot update, not major version update. I'll see if
that changes anything once installed, but I doubt it.

With Office 2010 what's interesting is that if I hit NVDA+F7 to bring
up the Elements List in Excel it works just fine. The Elements dialog
immediately pops up (and, helpful for me, is fully visible). In Word
2010, all I get is the announcement, "Elements List Dialog, Tree
View," with no dialog ever appearing. Using the left or right arrow
buttons to go through the element radio button choice does nothing and
you get nothing announced, and the first hit of TAB gets, "Filter by,
ALT+F." This is in a document that is laden with hyperlinks and, if
memory serves, that should be the element shown by default when the
Elements List is invoked. I'm doubly stuck because I don't have the
visual element to be able to see what NVDA seems to be doing, it just
doesn't ever show up on the screen and I know darned well that I have
plenty of links in this document.

Brian





Re: Browse Mode vs Focus Mode Sound

Mallard
 

I've updated to 5.1.2, but haven't opened it yet.

I'll check it out, but I'm afraid that function (navigation within documents) is only woking in Ms Word.

Il 16/04/2016 17:10, Brian Vogel ha scritto:

I can't get NVDA 2016.1 to respond to NVDA+Space to change modes in Libre Office Writer in Libre Office 5.1. I did get the "there's an update available" notification when I started Libre this morning but it's for a minor dot update, not major version update. I'll see if that changes anything once installed, but I doubt it.

With Office 2010 what's interesting is that if I hit NVDA+F7 to bring up the Elements List in Excel it works just fine. The Elements dialog immediately pops up (and, helpful for me, is fully visible). In Word 2010, all I get is the announcement, "Elements List Dialog, Tree View," with no dialog ever appearing. Using the left or right arrow buttons to go through the element radio button choice does nothing and you get nothing announced, and the first hit of TAB gets, "Filter by, ALT+F." This is in a document that is laden with hyperlinks and, if memory serves, that should be the element shown by default when the Elements List is invoked. I'm doubly stuck because I don't have the visual element to be able to see what NVDA seems to be doing, it just doesn't ever show up on the screen and I know darned well that I have plenty of links in this document.

Brian


Re: Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!

 

but i heard that it work well not temporary.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
As a temporary solution, you can do this. As you will see, it is only
temporary.
From https://wiki.mozilla.org/Add-ons/Extension_Signing
•Firefox 43: Firefox has a preference that allows signature enforcement to
be disabled (xpinstall.signatures.required in about:config). •Firefox 47:
(Pushed from Firefox 46). Release and Beta versions of Firefox for Desktop
will not allow unsigned extensions to be installed, with no override.

It wouldn't make sense for Mozilla to have a security requirement of this
type and give a way to disable it.

Gene
----- original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:02 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!


hi.
someone told me that in the address bar type about:config.
in the list, search and find xpinstall.signatures.required press enter
to deactivate it.
i read firefox new versions and release note and this problem happened
in firefox since version 41.
hope that help.
thank for your question and god bless you.

On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I am given to believe that this add on is not approved any more, either
use

an older version of the Firefox program, or you have to hack about in the
advanced settings to turn off approval certification.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ali Colak" <alish54@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] Why is installing an addon on firefox such a nightmare!


Or am I doing something wrong.
Hello to all. Last night I tried to reinstall webvisum, as I have
just baught a new computer. When ever I press the install link, the
notifaction to allow firefox to install the addon comes. I've tried
pressing alt+a several times, and I've tried pressing the space bar or
enter when it seems that I'm on the allow button, nothing works.
I don't remember seeing any other complaints about this from anyone,
so is it only me getting something so basic wrong?

Any suggestions?
Ali






--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: winamp book markers?

Gene
 

Winamp does not have a feature that allows you to mark a time in a file and return to it.  It has book marks for storing and going to a stream or I believe, a file but what people insist on incorrectly calling bookmarks for time is not available.  A correct term might be time marker but not book marks. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] winamp book markers?

hello.
winamp has bookmark option in itself by default and you dont need to
install an extra addon.
hope that help.
thanks and god bless you.

On 4/16/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> A tech on another list created a book mark utility that is not screen-reader
> dependent.  You can download it from this page:
> http://opopanax.net/download/
> Search the page for the word Winamp.
>
> I don't use it so I won't discuss it further.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] winamp book markers?
>
>
> Hello when listening to a file in winamp is there a nvda add on that
> would allow me to book mark a file to go back to it at at a later time
> like there is in jaws?
> thanks
> Hank
>
>
>


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Windows live mail question

Gene
 

It is being used in later versions of Windows.  If the person wants to use it, it will run.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows live mail question

hello helga how are you?
did you try mozilla thunderbird for emails?
its an open source program from firefox company.
i did not know that windows live mail is not compatible with newer
versions of windows.
i use windows xp and it is installed for me by default.
thanks so much and god bless you too!

On 4/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
> From feedback I have, live mail 16 is needed,this is the one with
> ribbonmenus.
>
> Would not know if there are any screens that a portable install will not
> access during this on windows 10, but somebody will know. If she has been an
>
> Outlook Express user, she may prefer the  version of OE a third party has
> built which does not run on windows 10. It needs a small donation to the
> authors via paypal, but you get installation on three machines and support
> via their web forum.
>
> I do not have the address, but I just searched for Outlook express for
> windows 10 and there are seemingly only two options, one is this normal
> version and the other is a rewrite look alike that doesnot seem to work with
>
> screenreaders.
>  A
>  couple of words of warning. Whatever you install, if its going to be used
> with any access tech, turn off the preview pane when setting up. It can make
>
> nvda  do odd things.
>  Also if you try to install the live mal 14 version it seems to get stuck on
>
> windows 7 and later. It used to work but I think a windows update has messed
>
> it up.
> If you use OE even on xp, with nvda, occasionally  OE forgets how to display
>
> messages or to be able to write them. an OE restart normally fixes this one.
>
> Certainly works on xp and 7.
>
> Happens if multiple identities are created and the preview pane is on.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Helga Schreiber" <helga.schreiber26@...>
> To: <nvda@groups.io>
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 6:21 AM
> Subject: [nvda] Windows live mail question
>
>
> Hi all! How are you all? Do any of you use Windows Live mail for your
> emails? If so, can you tell me some steps  in how  can I install  windows
> live mail with NVDA? I'm just owndering. I want to install windows live mail
>
> in my mom's computer and set her email account. On it! However, I don't know
>
> if that is possible to do with NVDA guys? My mom has windows 10 in her
> laptop computer, so I iwll use the portable copy of NVDA that i have in my
> drive in order to install WLM on her computer and set everything up! On my
> windows computer I don't have windows 10 there yet i will really appreciate
>
> it if you can help me and give me some suggestions regarding this matter! I
>
> look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26@...
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
>
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1
>
>
>
>
>


--
Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who] enjoins them
good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them their
burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light which
has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: Any updates on Weather Plus?

Laz
 

You can get it from this page:

http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm

Just look for the word weather.

Laz

On 4/16/16, Lisa P Geibel <lisapgeibel429@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Laz and all,
I'll try it. Do any of you have a direct link to find this or do I just
look for something to do with weather by this person? Thanks.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 4/15/16 10:49 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
I have this installed and found that over the past several days it
failed to work. However it appears to be functioning today.

Andrea


On 16/04/2016 12:35 PM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
strange because I can not get that one to work either.


On 4/15/2016 9:34 AM, Laz wrote:
The old weather add-on by Storm is still working...

Laz

On 4/14/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com> wrote:
According to other threads on this list, it has to do with the yahoo
API.
Anyone?

On Apr 13, 2016, at 19:26, Life My Way via Groups.io
<lifemyway=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I am wondering this as well, when i try and add my zip code i get a
message about my internet connection not bing there but I know I am
connected to the internet can anyone please help?

On 4/13/2016 8:55 PM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
HI listers
I've been offList a few weeks, thus sorry if this has been covered
before. Any update on Weather Plus or its new AddOn for NVDA?





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