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Re: quick templates for common tasks

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Interestingly Supernova had something like this where it asked questions via checkboxes etc and then let you test the file on the target program. It did work but was quite time consuming to do. Brian

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From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks


hi

I was sitting here thinking of how templates are used in google docs and
microsoft office to quickly make resumes and other such things. And then
I was struck by an idea I want to run by you guys.

Why not make add-on templates for NVDA? Here is how they would work. An
addon template lets non-programmers edit a file to accomplish a specific
task such as renaming reclassing objects in certain applications,
hitting tab to go through objects in an unuseable application and so on.
Lets say you have an inaccessible object you want to make it useable
quickly. you open the object reclass template in notepad its a prepared
.py file with extensive comments. Most of the work is done for you. the
comments may instruct you, however, to get info from the log and paste
it here or paste in this bit of code save your file then rename the .py
file to what application you want it to act on. templates could be made
for global tasks, app specific tasks and so on. Its like a word template
but it would be designed to quickly paste in some python code so the
non-programmer could do some basic things like reclassing and renaming
objects, doing things when objects appear or disappear and so on. What
do you think, good idea or not? oh and then when the person is done
making the template, they could package it into an addon to share with
the community.

some templates may also instruct you to remove comments from certain
lines to do things as well. depends on the template and what task you
want to quickly get done.

Josh


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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I don't thin he is demanding anything, to be honest.
Its a bit like when you have lived in a place for ages and have to move out so it can be knowcked down and a new house built that is all.

Bitter sweet.

PS I came across an old lady still using windows 98 last week. For email and letters no problems.
She had an old copy of Supernova on it.
version 5 something.
grin.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm, zahra wrote:


i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever!
Then you must understand that choices have consequences. Your choice has consequences. You bear responsibility for that choice.

Please stop demanding that software companies continue to support an operating system that its own maker has not supported for 8 plus years now. This is what is known as a completely unreasonable demand and expectation. It is not ever going to be met, nor should it be.

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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.
 
Gene

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

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In an installed version it is indeed in the temp folder, though there are moves afoot to delay installs that might mean putting it in the download folder. I don't know if this has been decided as yet.
In a portable version you launch the default browser and download it there and of course you can then save it where you like. If its in temp then it will not last, obviously!

I often find that Firefox can download the file faster than nvdas own downloader. Also note that Firefox sometimes will put up a message not read by nvda saying this is not a normally downloaded file, after beeping almost to the end of the download. If this seems to just stop with no completion use the context menu in the download box of Firefox to tell it to download it and it will end. this normally only happens if you run a snapshot portably.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates


Hi all,

Out of curiosity, how do the automatic NVDA updates work? I assume it checks the update server and then downloads the new installer and automatically runs it to update NVDA files. Is the installer saved somewhere like the temp folder? Is it deleted automatically once the update is complete? If this is all correct, great! If not, please correct me.

Thanks,

Chris


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again. You do not really need it as windows ordinary applets let you do all the same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped networks I think.
There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to the icon would open. I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening whatever it opened. This never happened while using the systray dialog. also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used the system tray. I had to use the system tray icon. I don't know what people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win 10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7 virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to the network icon.

On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Yes well the network item that does this is Intel chipset specific and seemed to be in versions starting about the end of 2015, but of course it does not always get updated, so most people with installs before this do not have the issue.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


hi.
i also have this problem using some network settings.
i did not try these settings before, so i thought that its a problem
of new versions of nvda!
then tried with previous versions of nvda with the same result!

On 9/1/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


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Re: problem with latest NVDA

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You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
Brian

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win 10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7 virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Yes a version of the intel network tool has a blank invisible screen that will not cancel with keyboard input. My solution was to go into the hide or view taskbar items, and hide the offending one so it never gets even seen. It auto activates as you cursor through it otherwise.

Its a pest.
It should like most software obey the single click double click rules you set, but it ignores these and works with a hover.
Grrr.
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From: "Clive May" <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


NVDA not reading the message list in Outlook 2016

 

Hi,
I'm using NVDA 2017.3 on Windows 10 version 1703 and Outlook 2016. For some reason after I made some changes to the views settings NVDA no longer reads the message list. What I've done is...hide the message preview pane, and hide the favorites from the folders list.
Could anyone tell me how to get NVDA to read the message list again in Outlook 2016, without resetting my views settings?


Re: ocr

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It really depends on what it is you are displaying in focus at the time and although it seems to work for programs where there is no text on buttons, only a picture of them, quite how you might use this to make such software accessible is not clear to me. Its good for things like text on a screen that you cannot read, but how would one map the buttons if the maker has not done this properly in the first place?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr


hi.
i am not familiar with ocr, but i think that it scans just images and
inaccessible programs, not entire screen!

On 9/1/17, Mahmood HoZhabri <mahmood.hojabri@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. press enter on jpg file to open, and full screen it with alt + enter
and press insert + r

2017-09-01 20:56 GMT+04:30 Don H <lmddh50@adams.net>:

OK let me expand on my issue.
I have a jpg file listed under file explorer. I arrow down until it is
highlighted and hit NVDA key R. The results of the ocr is not that of
the
jpg but the entire file explorer screen. So maybe my question should be
how to get focus for the OCR to be the jpg file and not the whole screen.
Thanks





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Re: OCR functionality

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Do you happen to know if the windows 10 system requires internet connection, ie is it sending your data to the cloud and doing the OCR there?
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functionality


hi.
you should only keep it if you use previous versions than windows ten.
if you have ten, nvda supports internal ocr which is available on
windows ten, so, you dont need extra addon for it.
Hope that help, God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Provided that one is using Windows 10, that is.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui
Fontes
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functionality

You should remove the old addon, or at least, change the command NVDA+R of
the addon to other keystroke...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: David Mehler
Data: 1 de setembro de 2017 17:13
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] OCR functionality

Hello,

With 2017.3 and the NVDA+r key for OCR, is the OCR addon still needed?

Thanks.
Dave.










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Re: OCR functionality

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Yes then you can decide which one does the best job.

Of course if you are not using win 10 then you are stuck with it or any other ocr you have bought or use.
I often find that jpgs can be very fuzzy and not ocr too well.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR functionality


You should remove the old addon, or at least, change the command NVDA+R of the addon to other keystroke...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: David Mehler
Data: 1 de setembro de 2017 17:13
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] OCR functionality

Hello,

With 2017.3 and the NVDA+r key for OCR, is the OCR addon still needed?

Thanks.
Dave.





Re: ocr

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Erm, even I don't get your connection to boats.
Must be a cultural thing.
brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr


Hi,
Think about the following: besides boats, what is another way to cross a river on foot? You need to do a crucial step before you can use OCR, and no, that's not related to performing an NVDA command.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr

OK let me expand on my issue.
I have a jpg file listed under file explorer. I arrow down until it is highlighted and hit NVDA key R. The results of the ocr is not that of the jpg but the entire file explorer screen. So maybe my question should be how to get focus for the OCR to be the jpg file and not the whole screen.
Thanks


Re: ocr

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What are you viewing the jpg in?
Normally, I tend to convert them to tiff in paint and then resave and use my old office OCR on them but I'd imagine one can do a similar thing with other ocr systems.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr


OK let me expand on my issue.
I have a jpg file listed under file explorer. I arrow down until it is highlighted and hit NVDA key R. The results of the ocr is not that of the jpg but the entire file explorer screen. So maybe my question should be how to get focus for the OCR to be the jpg file and not the whole screen.
Thanks



Re: OCR functionality

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If you use one of the recent builds on Win10, no, but yes if its earlier. The point is that windows now has an ocr built in but did not used to have.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:13 PM
Subject: [nvda] OCR functionality


Hello,

With 2017.3 and the NVDA+r key for OCR, is the OCR addon still needed?

Thanks.
Dave.


Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

 

But just because Microsoft collect usage information should not be why you shouldn't stay away from Windows 10. I agree that this privacy concern is too...over exaggerated.
Going back to the subject of old unsupported Windows versions...if I am in a situation where my Windows XP machine is too ancient to run even Windows 7, I'd get a second hand desktop that already comes with Windows 7 SP1, which is much cheaper. This way I could continue to update NVDA and other programs and also receive security patches from Microsoft.
But to be honest, my experience with recent versions of NVDA on Windows 7 is that...there's not much difference at all. This is because most of the bug fixes and new features are aimed at users of Windows 10. Soon Windows 7 will meet the same fate as Windows XP as end of life for Windows 7 is only a few years away.


Re: Question From A Newbie?

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Your insert key or what you have set up as the nvda key, and n, then find help and its all on there.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question From A Newbie?


NVDA menu, Help.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Donald Moore via Groups.Io
Data: 1 de setembro de 2017 13:21
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Question From A Newbie?

Could one of you good folks explain how to get to the NVDA documentation?

Thanks in advance!








Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Good idea.

I might suggest you create a batch file in the root, with another unique shortcut on the desktop as follows.

@echo off
cd "%temp%"
start /WAIT nvda.exe -q

start notepad.exe nvda.log
rem, this line just kicks its heels for a bit to make sure the log is loaded into notepad before rebooting nvda.
ping -n 5 127.0.0.1>nul
start nvda.exe

exit


The idea is to reboot with a copy of the log from the silent copy already in notepad.
Brian




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----- Original Message -----
From: "Giles Turnbull" <giles.turnbull@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

 

i agree with you about privacy.

On 9/2/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I do think this spying thing is a bit to overboard.

Privacy is so overboard all the world is cloud based its everyone
watching everyones back.

The only times its bad is.1.  you do something bad, like really bad bad
enough for people to notice.

2.  you get hacked and that can happen to just about anyone so its not a
real big reason.

3.   if something screws up.

I have had it where I was going away on a trip and had to do the
government benifit thing filling out how long I would be away to make
sure things went right and I didn't get cut off.

Came back to find that I had been cut off.

Rang the people and they said there was a system crash and my data was
never filed.

So the system sent a message but as I was way below the cut off date
they didn't deem it necessary to do much about it.

The result of that was that I got a few useless messages from a system.

In a more extreme case though we lost all net service for a while
because a cloud datacentre just happened to have a drive failier which
shut down a lot of things.

But the thing is things are changing.

This spying lark well you can adjust the settings but I put it like the
y2k thing.

There are movies about y2k being an apocolipse.

A lot of programs were released to counter y2k, the same goes for
spying, and you can turn a lot of stuff off including cortana and
windows update which is spying as well as a lot of windows things as
long as you pay the programmer and maybe get spyware in your system.

Even if you don't use the net yourself you will encounter it from time
to time from government to well banks.

You can't avoid it just continue as you are.




On 2/09/2017 1:03 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if
you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to
Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand
Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices.
Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core
I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai
baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a
child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with
it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.



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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org


Re: ocr

Gene
 

No, that was not stated nor anything like it and I'm completely sure that isn't true.  The statement said they are joining JAWS and Openbook.  I'm not sure just what is meant by that statement but I doubt it is true in the sense that Openbook is going to be dispensed with and I don't think it should be stated in that way.  JAWS is getting significantly increased abilities.  That doesn't mean it is comparable to Openbook in features.  It just means that JAWS has significantly increased OCR capability.  I read most of the What's New document and I never saw any statement about JAWS being combined with or merged with Openbook. 
 
You seem much too quick to believe, and take seriously dire statements about JAWS.  It's as though you hope the worst concerning JAWS is always true.  That is, in my opinion, not what anyone should want.  The more good tools we have, the more our chances of getting the most done with our computers and the greater is our likelihood of success in various settings. Also, innovation is more likely that will be adopteds by the other screen-readers when there is competition and a variety of products.  It was not desirable that Window-eyes was discontinued for those reasons, whether you like or use Window-eyes or not.  The same with JAWS.   
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr

Ow'w'w, Gawod! Gr'roass! Don't tell me I have to have Openbook installed for the OCR in JFW to work! I happen to, so woohoo me, but for those who don't, that could really pose a major major problem!
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr

They are joining Jaws and Openbook...
That is a OCR application feature and not a screen reader feature.

To have that in NVDA we will need a virtual printer to send the resultant
image to the Windows 10 OCR engine, and hoping that the engine allows
multipage images...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Don H
Data: 2 de setembro de 2017 01:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] ocr

With the OCR function in Jaws 2018 beta you find the file you want to
OCR in file explorer then open the context menu for the file and then
arrow down to recoginize with Jaws and hit enter. You then have a view
that you can read and or copy.


On 9/1/2017 7:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Can you explain the differences?
> When I used Jaws, the difference was not much, as I remember...
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> Data: 2 de setembro de 2017 01:03
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: [nvda] ocr
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> Sorry to say that the OCR function in Jaws 2018 is much easier than the
> OCR in NVDA.  I say sorry because I like using NVDA much better than Jaws.
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