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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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If you are visually impaired you are allowed to download it for free as before. That is unless they have removed the page in the last two weeks.
I think you have to have a legal copy of windows 7 or8 though, and I'm not aware of how you prove it as I last did it some time aback. I currently have no windows 10 machine that works as I installed it on an old amd chipped machine whos motherboard died when a power supply blue up after a mains surge. I intend to buy a new laptop before Christmas and that will come with 10, and although I ham a little worried about the current trend toward no keypad and function keys configured as media keys, I imagine the latter can be fixed by a sighted person going into the bios.
If it has the deregistered dll files recently encountered on the cloned Lenovo and other makes then that seems to be a fixable problem now with perhaps a batch file or script.
I'd like a laptop with keypad, merely cos I'm lazy, and despite what a certain Jonathan Mozen might say to try to convince me otherwise!
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Please explain "You can get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user".

How? Where?

Regards,


Antony.

On Saturday 02 September 2017 at 02:47:48, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I agree with everyone here. Windows XP is dead since 2014; Freedom
Scientific (now part of VFO) stopped supporting XP since Jaws 16.
Microsoft Office dropped Windows XP support since Office 2013, which is
released more than a full year before end of life for Windows XP. You can
get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user, and if you need a new
computer, there's second-hand computers that comes with Windows 7 (more
recent ones should have SP1 installed) cheaply.
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Re: Question From A Newbie?

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Hi Donald,

Looks like everyone else has got you sorted with the help documentation, and do feel free to post any more questions you come up with!

I mostly thought I'd chime in with a quick "ad" for the official "Basic Training for NVDA" which is a book (available in electronic text, audio or Braille) designed to walk you through the features of NVDA with extra explanation as well as activities each step of the way.

It's available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

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On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Donald Moore via Groups.Io <don.moore48@...> wrote:
Could one of you good folks explain how to get to the NVDA documentation?

Thanks in advance!









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Re: quick templates for common tasks

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It sounds great in theory but not possible.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Engin Albayrak
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 6:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks

 

Yes, I want that as a user. I am looking forward results of this study from now.

Thanks, and kongrates You.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 11:25 PM
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Subject: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks

 

hi

I was sitting here thinking of how templates are used in google docs and microsoft office to quickly make resumes and other such things. And then I was struck by an idea I want to run by you guys.

Why not make add-on templates for NVDA? Here is how they would work. An addon template lets non-programmers edit a file to accomplish a specific task such as renaming reclassing objects in certain applications, hitting tab to go through objects in an unuseable application and so on. Lets say you have an inaccessible object you want to make it useable quickly. you open the object reclass template in notepad its a prepared .py file with extensive comments. Most of the work is done for you. the comments may instruct you, however, to get info from the log and paste it here or paste in this bit of code save your file then rename the .py file to what application you want it to act on. templates could be made for global tasks, app specific tasks and so on. Its like a word template but it would be designed to quickly paste in some python code so the non-programmer could do some basic things like reclassing and renaming objects, doing things when objects appear or disappear and so on. What do you think, good idea or not? oh and then when the person is done making the template, they could package it into an addon to share with the community.

some templates may also instruct you to remove comments from certain lines to do things as well. depends on the template and what task you want to quickly get done.

Josh

 

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Re: OCR >In Arabic

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi George,

What is the language set to in NVDA menu, Preferences, Windows OCR?  (Note this can be set separately to NVDA's language).  For good measure, what are your Windows and NVDA language settings please?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:29 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
To the NVDA devs, I am getting good OCR results from .jpg files but each line by itself is read from end to beginning i.e if I have to read a line correctly I locate the line with cursor up/down then press end and with ctrl+left arrow I read word by word, if I read a whole line it is from end to beginning, please fix it asap, thanks.

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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I think though, that in a few parts of the world this is still not affordable, but unfortunately I do not see what can be done to resolve these issues.

I mean, an old 8 bit home computer can still work for what it used to be capable of and I know many who still have them doing this, as they opted out of the world of tech back then, but when their old printer dies no modern printer will even connect to them, let alone understand the epson control codes.
I guess otherwise we would all still be scribing on bits of stone or wood.
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree with everyone here. Windows XP is dead since 2014; Freedom Scientific (now part of VFO) stopped supporting XP since Jaws 16. Microsoft Office dropped Windows XP support since Office 2013, which is released more than a full year before end of life for Windows XP.
You can get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user, and if you need a new computer, there's second-hand computers that comes with Windows 7 (more recent ones should have SP1 installed) cheaply.


Re: Excel reading issues

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I wonder if you set up file attributes like background colour etc if that might help as a work around. It sounds like the way highlighting is being done in that version is not being seen by nvda. Does highlighting work in Word from the same suite?
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Excel reading issues


Hi again,



As I stated before, I'm using Windows 10 Creater's Edition with Excel 2010,
and NVDA version 2017.3.

I've already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It
still doesn't read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I
want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I'm moving through the text with left and right
arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by
character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key,
NVDA doesn't read anything I'm selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it'll go to the clipboard
no problem, but the fact that you don't know what's been selected and
copied, really bugs me.



Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as
it should.

I've tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.



On the other hand, when I'm using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then
selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.



Thanks for any help.



Dmitry


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Quentin Christensen
 

Note that upgrade offer is only for users of Windows 7 and 8.1 (the same as the original offer that was open to everyone) - it's on that page but down the bottom in the fine print.

2017-09-02 11:42 GMT+10:00 Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...>:

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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

The system tray is universally used for such purposes and if it is incorrectly executing in this case in a lot of computers, how many millions of computers match your technical specifications, then that's a very strong argument to add the system tray dialog.  and the problem of something opening, which may be a different problem that occurs under the same conditions, is far more extensive.  My Windows 7 laptop is from 2011.  It is an Intel machine and I don't know if that matters.  I don't lose speech but as I explained something disruptive opens when I move to the icon in the system tray if it is my first time doing so in that session of Windows.  The icon is resonding to being selected, not activated.  This doesn't matter for a mouse user.  it does for a keyboard user.  Sometimes, its time to abandon ideology and add something that real world exegencies dictate should be added.
 
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It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up
but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again.
You do not really need it as windows ordinary  applets let you do all the
same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped
networks I think.
 There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one
is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if
it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to
the icon would open.  I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would
pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was
moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening
whatever it opened.  This never happened while using the systray dialog.
also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used
the system tray.  I had to use the system tray icon.  I don't know what
people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when
directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using
the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray
icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.

  On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:


  Hi


  It may not be relevant to your problem but...


  On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc
to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the
network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.


  It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


  Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


  Best wishes


  Clive





  On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

    hi.
    can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
    i appreciate your answer.
    God bless you!

    On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

      I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
      installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
      back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
      tray menus.

      It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
      internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe
1 in
      20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
      rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and
as I
      hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

      I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
      different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
      I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
      shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
      begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
      tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

      To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
      for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
      I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
      have some more informative insight.

      Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

      Giles













Re: Excel reading issues

Quentin Christensen
 

I see the issue you created on GitHub has been closed as it was a duplicate of another issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2946  That original issue is still open.  It does work in Excel 2016.

There have been a couple of issues caused by the way Excel does editing cells - another one is reading formatting (and particularly formatting where an entire cell is not formatted uniformly).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dmitriy <dlazarev86@...> wrote:

Hi again,

 

As I stated before, I’m using Windows 10 Creater’s Edition with Excel 2010, and NVDA version 2017.3.

I’ve already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It still doesn’t read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I’m moving through the text with left and right arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key, NVDA doesn’t read anything I’m selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it’ll go to the clipboard no problem, but the fact that you don’t know what’s been selected and copied, really bugs me.

 

Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as it should.

I’ve tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.

 

On the other hand, when I’m using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Dmitry




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Re: lag when writing messages in thunderbird

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This lag was a windows UIA bug I think you will find fixed in the recent Microsoft updates. it also affected word in long docs and the file dialogues as I recall.
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


This option is no longer present in thunderbird, so that won't help. And, just for reference, I'm using thunderbird, and NVDA 2017.3, and I'm not seeing the slowdown problem when typing text in messages. I did experience a small bit of this when I first upgraded to 2017.3, but it seems to have gone away, though I didn't do anything to help solve it. Well, come to think of it, I did install some windows updates today, perhaps that was the fix.


On 9/1/2017 6:04 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, I don't know if this will fix it or not, but I remember Jamey posted something because tb was crashing but this was some years ago this is his work and not mine. text below.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 01/09/2017 14:41, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
Hello,
I have noticed this as well. Any solution to this problem would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing it. I'm using the latest NVDA, Thunderbird, and windows 8.1 if that helps. I am glad it's not just me noticing this. I thought my computer was going crazy or something. LOL
Thanks,
Jeffrey

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh I;ve noticed this also.


On 8/31/2017 8:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

When composing new emails and writing messages in mozilla thunderbird I get significant lag when trying to edit and write messages. Is there a way to change the cursor in thunderbird to a more responsive one?


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Re: A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

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Unless its a portable version.
I think I saw a ticket being worked on to delay installs from downloaded installed versions yesterday.
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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates


By now, the option is yes or no to download and install. You can not download and not instal.
If you download you have to install it.

Rui


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De: Chris Mullins
Data: 1 de setembro de 2017 21:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

For the most part correct. Updates are detected automatically rather than
applied then it's users choice as to whether an update is
downloaded/installed or not.

Cheers
Chris

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Wright via Groups.Io
Sent: 1 September 2017 20:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

Hi all,

Out of curiosity, how do the automatic NVDA updates work? I assume it checks
the update server and then downloads the new installer and automatically
runs it to update NVDA files. Is the installer saved somewhere like the temp
folder? Is it deleted automatically once the update is complete? If this is
all correct, great! If not, please correct me.

Thanks,

Chris







Re: lag when writing messages in thunderbird

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Is this the search in Windows or Tbird?
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


Hi, I don't know if this will fix it or not, but I remember Jamey posted something because tb was crashing but this was some years ago this is his work and not mine. text below.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 01/09/2017 14:41, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
Hello,
I have noticed this as well. Any solution to this problem would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing it. I'm using the latest NVDA, Thunderbird, and windows 8.1 if that helps. I am glad it's not just me noticing this. I thought my computer was going crazy or something. LOL
Thanks,
Jeffrey

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh I;ve noticed this also.


On 8/31/2017 8:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

When composing new emails and writing messages in mozilla thunderbird I get significant lag when trying to edit and write messages. Is there a way to change the cursor in thunderbird to a more responsive one?


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Re: quick templates for common tasks

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Interestingly Supernova had something like this where it asked questions via checkboxes etc and then let you test the file on the target program. It did work but was quite time consuming to do. Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 9:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks


hi

I was sitting here thinking of how templates are used in google docs and
microsoft office to quickly make resumes and other such things. And then
I was struck by an idea I want to run by you guys.

Why not make add-on templates for NVDA? Here is how they would work. An
addon template lets non-programmers edit a file to accomplish a specific
task such as renaming reclassing objects in certain applications,
hitting tab to go through objects in an unuseable application and so on.
Lets say you have an inaccessible object you want to make it useable
quickly. you open the object reclass template in notepad its a prepared
.py file with extensive comments. Most of the work is done for you. the
comments may instruct you, however, to get info from the log and paste
it here or paste in this bit of code save your file then rename the .py
file to what application you want it to act on. templates could be made
for global tasks, app specific tasks and so on. Its like a word template
but it would be designed to quickly paste in some python code so the
non-programmer could do some basic things like reclassing and renaming
objects, doing things when objects appear or disappear and so on. What
do you think, good idea or not? oh and then when the person is done
making the template, they could package it into an addon to share with
the community.

some templates may also instruct you to remove comments from certain
lines to do things as well. depends on the template and what task you
want to quickly get done.

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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I don't thin he is demanding anything, to be honest.
Its a bit like when you have lived in a place for ages and have to move out so it can be knowcked down and a new house built that is all.

Bitter sweet.

PS I came across an old lady still using windows 98 last week. For email and letters no problems.
She had an old copy of Supernova on it.
version 5 something.
grin.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm, zahra wrote:


i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever!
Then you must understand that choices have consequences. Your choice has consequences. You bear responsibility for that choice.

Please stop demanding that software companies continue to support an operating system that its own maker has not supported for 8 plus years now. This is what is known as a completely unreasonable demand and expectation. It is not ever going to be met, nor should it be.

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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.
 
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You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>





Re: A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

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In an installed version it is indeed in the temp folder, though there are moves afoot to delay installs that might mean putting it in the download folder. I don't know if this has been decided as yet.
In a portable version you launch the default browser and download it there and of course you can then save it where you like. If its in temp then it will not last, obviously!

I often find that Firefox can download the file faster than nvdas own downloader. Also note that Firefox sometimes will put up a message not read by nvda saying this is not a normally downloaded file, after beeping almost to the end of the download. If this seems to just stop with no completion use the context menu in the download box of Firefox to tell it to download it and it will end. this normally only happens if you run a snapshot portably.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates


Hi all,

Out of curiosity, how do the automatic NVDA updates work? I assume it checks the update server and then downloads the new installer and automatically runs it to update NVDA files. Is the installer saved somewhere like the temp folder? Is it deleted automatically once the update is complete? If this is all correct, great! If not, please correct me.

Thanks,

Chris


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again. You do not really need it as windows ordinary applets let you do all the same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped networks I think.
There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to the icon would open. I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening whatever it opened. This never happened while using the systray dialog. also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used the system tray. I had to use the system tray icon. I don't know what people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win 10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7 virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to the network icon.

On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Yes well the network item that does this is Intel chipset specific and seemed to be in versions starting about the end of 2015, but of course it does not always get updated, so most people with installs before this do not have the issue.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


hi.
i also have this problem using some network settings.
i did not try these settings before, so i thought that its a problem
of new versions of nvda!
then tried with previous versions of nvda with the same result!

On 9/1/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


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Re: problem with latest NVDA

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You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win 10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7 virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Yes a version of the intel network tool has a blank invisible screen that will not cancel with keyboard input. My solution was to go into the hide or view taskbar items, and hide the offending one so it never gets even seen. It auto activates as you cursor through it otherwise.

Its a pest.
It should like most software obey the single click double click rules you set, but it ignores these and works with a hover.
Grrr.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and 17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings), but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max, but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles