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Re: OCR >In Arabic

Mohammed Al Shara
 

hi.

I meant to see if the same can be observed with the OCR in office. they use the same engine. if you can do that it'll be great to know weather it's the same there.
Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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That is true, but luckily, you can add a couple of years to that date as we did more than this with xp. As I said, to my knowledge the main reason in the well off world for keeping xp is mainly due to the computer interfacing with expensive medical gear whos makers won't make new drivers for. they want you to rebuy the hardware ripping of the state run NHS in the process.

This has been why they paid Microsoft to support XP till the end of last year.
My last update to XXP was rather surprisingly just this March and this was due to the ransomware network bug being found.
So Microsoft are not all maney grabbing, they did fix an old system and good for them for doing it.
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


But just because Microsoft collect usage information should not be why you shouldn't stay away from Windows 10. I agree that this privacy concern is too...over exaggerated.
Going back to the subject of old unsupported Windows versions...if I am in a situation where my Windows XP machine is too ancient to run even Windows 7, I'd get a second hand desktop that already comes with Windows 7 SP1, which is much cheaper. This way I could continue to update NVDA and other programs and also receive security patches from Microsoft.
But to be honest, my experience with recent versions of NVDA on Windows 7 is that...there's not much difference at all. This is because most of the bug fixes and new features are aimed at users of Windows 10. Soon Windows 7 will meet the same fate as Windows XP as end of life for Windows 7 is only a few years away.
Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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Actually, lack of some privacy and distribution of data is a lot to do with how we can afford to be on the internet and have affordable products. Advertising is another way, but more and more companies are realising that adverts piss folk off when overdone and in our case, they can make an accessible site completely useless so we put in ad blockers then sites stop you accessijing them till you allow adverts etc.

The big snag with privacy issues is not the collection of data but who gets it and what use they put it to. In a benign world that would be OK but today with unexpected happenings, you just do not know.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


i agree with you about privacy.

On 9/2/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I do think this spying thing is a bit to overboard.

Privacy is so overboard all the world is cloud based its everyone
watching everyones back.

The only times its bad is.1. you do something bad, like really bad bad
enough for people to notice.

2. you get hacked and that can happen to just about anyone so its not a
real big reason.

3. if something screws up.

I have had it where I was going away on a trip and had to do the
government benifit thing filling out how long I would be away to make
sure things went right and I didn't get cut off.

Came back to find that I had been cut off.

Rang the people and they said there was a system crash and my data was
never filed.

So the system sent a message but as I was way below the cut off date
they didn't deem it necessary to do much about it.

The result of that was that I got a few useless messages from a system.

In a more extreme case though we lost all net service for a while
because a cloud datacentre just happened to have a drive failier which
shut down a lot of things.

But the thing is things are changing.

This spying lark well you can adjust the settings but I put it like the
y2k thing.

There are movies about y2k being an apocolipse.

A lot of programs were released to counter y2k, the same goes for
spying, and you can turn a lot of stuff off including cortana and
windows update which is spying as well as a lot of windows things as
long as you pay the programmer and maybe get spyware in your system.

Even if you don't use the net yourself you will encounter it from time
to time from government to well banks.

You can't avoid it just continue as you are.




On 2/09/2017 1:03 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if
you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to
Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand
Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices.
Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core
I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai
baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a
child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with
it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.




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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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Yes I think one of the problems for us at the moment is that if you want to back up to local media. recent malware has made it its business to corrupt that first so you have no back up and some cloud services do not protect your back ups from ransom ware either, except Dropbox which can roll back easier than others like Google.
Also I asked a guy in a shop to test some software bundled with large portable hard drives for accessibility and the outcome was very poor. When will companies get the accessibility message?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Well I do think this spying thing is a bit to overboard.

Privacy is so overboard all the world is cloud based its everyone watching everyones back.

The only times its bad is.1. you do something bad, like really bad bad enough for people to notice.

2. you get hacked and that can happen to just about anyone so its not a real big reason.

3. if something screws up.

I have had it where I was going away on a trip and had to do the government benifit thing filling out how long I would be away to make sure things went right and I didn't get cut off.

Came back to find that I had been cut off.

Rang the people and they said there was a system crash and my data was never filed.

So the system sent a message but as I was way below the cut off date they didn't deem it necessary to do much about it.

The result of that was that I got a few useless messages from a system.

In a more extreme case though we lost all net service for a while because a cloud datacentre just happened to have a drive failier which shut down a lot of things.

But the thing is things are changing.

This spying lark well you can adjust the settings but I put it like the y2k thing.

There are movies about y2k being an apocolipse.

A lot of programs were released to counter y2k, the same goes for spying, and you can turn a lot of stuff off including cortana and windows update which is spying as well as a lot of windows things as long as you pay the programmer and maybe get spyware in your system.

Even if you don't use the net yourself you will encounter it from time to time from government to well banks.

You can't avoid it just continue as you are.




On 2/09/2017 1:03 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is if you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not upgrading to Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are second hand Windows 7 computers available at local department stores at cheap prices. Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM and 3.3GHZ Intel Core I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be even less than 25000 Thai baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play with it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.
Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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Well nnot quite. At least at the moment my xp machines still update msse, but a little bird tells me that when a new scan engine comes out this will not install on XP or old Vista systems and one supposes that updates probably won't run either.
I note that Superantispyware still runs on XP, but I've seen no mention ofwhether this will stop. I'd imagine once its built in a new version of the Microsoft compiler it will no longer work unless flags are set to make compatible code which will probably beslowere thant he native one so its a trade off not many would accept.

I think the biggest killer so far of XP is the lack of a browser which is in current development. I can and do still use firefox on a laptop but I'm told I can install windows 7 on it even if its only 32 bit, and why would I not do that? a search for installation media seems to suggest you can still get valid keys.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 7:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Amen, Brian. If he gets a virus or malware, he has nobody to blame but himself. Like they say, either go with the flow or get left behind.



Rosemarie



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:59 pm, zahra wrote:

i realy cant and dont want to use any version than xp forever!

Then you must understand that choices have consequences. Your choice has consequences. You bear responsibility for that choice.

Please stop demanding that software companies continue to support an operating system that its own maker has not supported for 8 plus years now. This is what is known as a completely unreasonable demand and expectation. It is not ever going to be met, nor should it be.

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Re: A delightful change for those wanting to take the code contributions course: subscribe to devlearning subgroup of NVDA forum directly

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Could I ask why you did not just have a new group on its own, it would stop all of this faffing about to stop the main group sending you email?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] A delightful change for those wanting to take the code contributions course: subscribe to devlearning subgroup of NVDA forum directly


Hi everyone,



If you were looking to take the NVDA code contributions course and are
concerned about having to join the parent NVDA forum first, the following
should make it easier for you to join:



You can now join a subgroup of a mailing list on Groups.IO directly without
first having to sign up for a parent group. This will work if the parent
forum is not restricted (no moderator approval to join). The only caveat to
be aware of is that you need to set no mail on the parent group if you do
not wish to read posts from there.



Thus:



1. Send an email to nvda+devlearning+subscribe@groups.io
<mailto:nvda+devlearning+subscribe@groups.io> .
2. Once you confirm your subscription, send an email to
nvda+nomail@groups.io <mailto:nvda+nomail@groups.io> (optional).



Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Excel reading issues

Chris Mullins
 

I agree, this is a significant accessibility issue as it makes editing cell content and formulae extremely difficult.  It is the same in Excel 2007.  I disabled Win10app essentials add-on in case that affected it but it does not.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dmitriy
Sent: 1 September 2017 23:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Excel reading issues

 

Hi again,

 

As I stated before, I’m using Windows 10 Creater’s Edition with Excel 2010, and NVDA version 2017.3.

I’ve already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It still doesn’t read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I’m moving through the text with left and right arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key, NVDA doesn’t read anything I’m selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it’ll go to the clipboard no problem, but the fact that you don’t know what’s been selected and copied, really bugs me.

 

Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as it should.

I’ve tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.

 

On the other hand, when I’m using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Dmitry
Re: Advisory on future releases for Joseph's add-ons: two add-ons will drop support for Windows XP and other old releases by end of 2017

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Lets just hope not too many older routines are removed from the new versions of nvda. This will allow writers, for example someone writing an app module for OEE Classic to piggy back on the old OE app module and this may well be the case for other routines that may be redundant but still used by an add on on the web site. Somebody will need to keep an eye on this in case it makes an add on unusable on future nvda versions when the original add on author is no longer around to fix it. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:02 AM
Subject: [nvda] Advisory on future releases for Joseph's add-ons: two add-ons will drop support for Windows XP and other old releases by end of 2017


Ladies and gentlemen,



As a follow-up to a recent announcement from NV Access regarding ending
support for old Windows releases, I (Joseph Lee) would like to announce that
two of my add-ons will be ending support for Windows XP by end of this year:



* GoldWave: The next stable version (planned for later in September)
will be the last version to support GoldWave versions earlier than 5.70. A
version planned for early 2018 will require GoldWave 6 or later on Windows 7
SP1 and later (64-bit only).
* Resource Monitor: a stable version planned for early October will be
the last version to recognize Windows versions earlier than Windows Vista
due to newer psutil releases being incompatible with Windows XP and Server
2003. A version to be released in April 2018 at the latest will drop support
for Windows Vista and Server 2008.



I will provide links to download last supported versions of these add-ons
that'll work on older Windows releases. As for other add-ons, it'll depend
on ability to use features from old NVDA releases.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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If you are visually impaired you are allowed to download it for free as before. That is unless they have removed the page in the last two weeks.
I think you have to have a legal copy of windows 7 or8 though, and I'm not aware of how you prove it as I last did it some time aback. I currently have no windows 10 machine that works as I installed it on an old amd chipped machine whos motherboard died when a power supply blue up after a mains surge. I intend to buy a new laptop before Christmas and that will come with 10, and although I ham a little worried about the current trend toward no keypad and function keys configured as media keys, I imagine the latter can be fixed by a sighted person going into the bios.
If it has the deregistered dll files recently encountered on the cloned Lenovo and other makes then that seems to be a fixable problem now with perhaps a batch file or script.
I'd like a laptop with keypad, merely cos I'm lazy, and despite what a certain Jonathan Mozen might say to try to convince me otherwise!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Please explain "You can get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user".

How? Where?

Regards,


Antony.

On Saturday 02 September 2017 at 02:47:48, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I agree with everyone here. Windows XP is dead since 2014; Freedom
Scientific (now part of VFO) stopped supporting XP since Jaws 16.
Microsoft Office dropped Windows XP support since Office 2013, which is
released more than a full year before end of life for Windows XP. You can
get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user, and if you need a new
computer, there's second-hand computers that comes with Windows 7 (more
recent ones should have SP1 installed) cheaply.
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Re: Question From A Newbie?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Donald,

Looks like everyone else has got you sorted with the help documentation, and do feel free to post any more questions you come up with!

I mostly thought I'd chime in with a quick "ad" for the official "Basic Training for NVDA" which is a book (available in electronic text, audio or Braille) designed to walk you through the features of NVDA with extra explanation as well as activities each step of the way.

It's available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Donald Moore via Groups.Io <don.moore48@...> wrote:
Could one of you good folks explain how to get to the NVDA documentation?

Thanks in advance!









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Re: quick templates for common tasks

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

It sounds great in theory but not possible.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Engin Albayrak
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 6:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks

 

Yes, I want that as a user. I am looking forward results of this study from now.

Thanks, and kongrates You.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks

 

hi

I was sitting here thinking of how templates are used in google docs and microsoft office to quickly make resumes and other such things. And then I was struck by an idea I want to run by you guys.

Why not make add-on templates for NVDA? Here is how they would work. An addon template lets non-programmers edit a file to accomplish a specific task such as renaming reclassing objects in certain applications, hitting tab to go through objects in an unuseable application and so on. Lets say you have an inaccessible object you want to make it useable quickly. you open the object reclass template in notepad its a prepared .py file with extensive comments. Most of the work is done for you. the comments may instruct you, however, to get info from the log and paste it here or paste in this bit of code save your file then rename the .py file to what application you want it to act on. templates could be made for global tasks, app specific tasks and so on. Its like a word template but it would be designed to quickly paste in some python code so the non-programmer could do some basic things like reclassing and renaming objects, doing things when objects appear or disappear and so on. What do you think, good idea or not? oh and then when the person is done making the template, they could package it into an addon to share with the community.

some templates may also instruct you to remove comments from certain lines to do things as well. depends on the template and what task you want to quickly get done.

Josh

 

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Re: OCR >In Arabic

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi George,

What is the language set to in NVDA menu, Preferences, Windows OCR?  (Note this can be set separately to NVDA's language).  For good measure, what are your Windows and NVDA language settings please?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:29 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@...> wrote:
To the NVDA devs, I am getting good OCR results from .jpg files but each line by itself is read from end to beginning i.e if I have to read a line correctly I locate the line with cursor up/down then press end and with ctrl+left arrow I read word by word, if I read a whole line it is from end to beginning, please fix it asap, thanks.

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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I think though, that in a few parts of the world this is still not affordable, but unfortunately I do not see what can be done to resolve these issues.

I mean, an old 8 bit home computer can still work for what it used to be capable of and I know many who still have them doing this, as they opted out of the world of tech back then, but when their old printer dies no modern printer will even connect to them, let alone understand the epson control codes.
I guess otherwise we would all still be scribing on bits of stone or wood.
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From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


I agree with everyone here. Windows XP is dead since 2014; Freedom Scientific (now part of VFO) stopped supporting XP since Jaws 16. Microsoft Office dropped Windows XP support since Office 2013, which is released more than a full year before end of life for Windows XP.
You can get Windows 10 for free since you're a NVDA user, and if you need a new computer, there's second-hand computers that comes with Windows 7 (more recent ones should have SP1 installed) cheaply.
Re: Excel reading issues

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I wonder if you set up file attributes like background colour etc if that might help as a work around. It sounds like the way highlighting is being done in that version is not being seen by nvda. Does highlighting work in Word from the same suite?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dmitriy" <dlazarev86@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:26 PM
Subject: [nvda] Excel reading issues


Hi again,



As I stated before, I'm using Windows 10 Creater's Edition with Excel 2010,
and NVDA version 2017.3.

I've already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It
still doesn't read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I
want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I'm moving through the text with left and right
arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by
character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key,
NVDA doesn't read anything I'm selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it'll go to the clipboard
no problem, but the fact that you don't know what's been selected and
copied, really bugs me.



Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as
it should.

I've tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.



On the other hand, when I'm using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then
selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.



Thanks for any help.



Dmitry
Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Quentin Christensen
 

Note that upgrade offer is only for users of Windows 7 and 8.1 (the same as the original offer that was open to everyone) - it's on that page but down the bottom in the fine print.

2017-09-02 11:42 GMT+10:00 Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...>:

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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

The system tray is universally used for such purposes and if it is incorrectly executing in this case in a lot of computers, how many millions of computers match your technical specifications, then that's a very strong argument to add the system tray dialog.  and the problem of something opening, which may be a different problem that occurs under the same conditions, is far more extensive.  My Windows 7 laptop is from 2011.  It is an Intel machine and I don't know if that matters.  I don't lose speech but as I explained something disruptive opens when I move to the icon in the system tray if it is my first time doing so in that session of Windows.  The icon is resonding to being selected, not activated.  This doesn't matter for a mouse user.  it does for a keyboard user.  Sometimes, its time to abandon ideology and add something that real world exegencies dictate should be added.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up
but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again.
You do not really need it as windows ordinary  applets let you do all the
same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped
networks I think.
 There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one
is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if
it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to
the icon would open.  I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would
pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was
moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening
whatever it opened.  This never happened while using the systray dialog.
also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used
the system tray.  I had to use the system tray icon.  I don't know what
people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when
directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using
the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray
icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.

  On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:


  Hi


  It may not be relevant to your problem but...


  On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc
to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the
network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.


  It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


  Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


  Best wishes


  Clive





  On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

    hi.
    can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
    i appreciate your answer.
    God bless you!

    On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:

      I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
      installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
      back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
      tray menus.

      It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
      internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe
1 in
      20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
      rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and
as I
      hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

      I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
      different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
      I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
      shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
      begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
      tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

      To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
      for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
      I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
      have some more informative insight.

      Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

      Giles
Re: Excel reading issues

Quentin Christensen
 

I see the issue you created on GitHub has been closed as it was a duplicate of another issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2946  That original issue is still open.  It does work in Excel 2016.

There have been a couple of issues caused by the way Excel does editing cells - another one is reading formatting (and particularly formatting where an entire cell is not formatted uniformly).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dmitriy <dlazarev86@...> wrote:

Hi again,

 

As I stated before, I’m using Windows 10 Creater’s Edition with Excel 2010, and NVDA version 2017.3.

I’ve already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It still doesn’t read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I’m moving through the text with left and right arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key, NVDA doesn’t read anything I’m selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it’ll go to the clipboard no problem, but the fact that you don’t know what’s been selected and copied, really bugs me.

 

Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as it should.

I’ve tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.

 

On the other hand, when I’m using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.

 

Thanks for any help.

 

Dmitry




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Re: lag when writing messages in thunderbird

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This lag was a windows UIA bug I think you will find fixed in the recent Microsoft updates. it also affected word in long docs and the file dialogues as I recall.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


This option is no longer present in thunderbird, so that won't help. And, just for reference, I'm using thunderbird, and NVDA 2017.3, and I'm not seeing the slowdown problem when typing text in messages. I did experience a small bit of this when I first upgraded to 2017.3, but it seems to have gone away, though I didn't do anything to help solve it. Well, come to think of it, I did install some windows updates today, perhaps that was the fix.


On 9/1/2017 6:04 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, I don't know if this will fix it or not, but I remember Jamey posted something because tb was crashing but this was some years ago this is his work and not mine. text below.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 01/09/2017 14:41, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
Hello,
I have noticed this as well. Any solution to this problem would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing it. I'm using the latest NVDA, Thunderbird, and windows 8.1 if that helps. I am glad it's not just me noticing this. I thought my computer was going crazy or something. LOL
Thanks,
Jeffrey

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh I;ve noticed this also.


On 8/31/2017 8:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

When composing new emails and writing messages in mozilla thunderbird I get significant lag when trying to edit and write messages. Is there a way to change the cursor in thunderbird to a more responsive one?


Josh


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Re: A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

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Unless its a portable version.
I think I saw a ticket being worked on to delay installs from downloaded installed versions yesterday.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates


By now, the option is yes or no to download and install. You can not download and not instal.
If you download you have to install it.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Chris Mullins
Data: 1 de setembro de 2017 21:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

For the most part correct. Updates are detected automatically rather than
applied then it's users choice as to whether an update is
downloaded/installed or not.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Wright via Groups.Io
Sent: 1 September 2017 20:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] A Question about NVDA Automatic Updates

Hi all,

Out of curiosity, how do the automatic NVDA updates work? I assume it checks
the update server and then downloads the new installer and automatically
runs it to update NVDA files. Is the installer saved somewhere like the temp
folder? Is it deleted automatically once the update is complete? If this is
all correct, great! If not, please correct me.

Thanks,

Chris
Re: lag when writing messages in thunderbird

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Is this the search in Windows or Tbird?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


Hi, I don't know if this will fix it or not, but I remember Jamey posted something because tb was crashing but this was some years ago this is his work and not mine. text below.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 01/09/2017 14:41, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:
Hello,
I have noticed this as well. Any solution to this problem would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing it. I'm using the latest NVDA, Thunderbird, and windows 8.1 if that helps. I am glad it's not just me noticing this. I thought my computer was going crazy or something. LOL
Thanks,
Jeffrey

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh I;ve noticed this also.


On 8/31/2017 8:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

When composing new emails and writing messages in mozilla thunderbird I get significant lag when trying to edit and write messages. Is there a way to change the cursor in thunderbird to a more responsive one?


Josh


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