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Re: ocr

Rui Fontes
 

No, you don't need to have Openbook installed.
Since the first version of Jaws OCR that Jaws in its own instalation places in your system some kind of FineReader Lite to be used in Jaws OCR.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Data: 2 de setembro de 2017 02:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] ocr


Ow'w'w, Gawod! Gr'roass! Don't tell me I have to have Openbook installed for the OCR in JFW to work! I happen to, so woohoo me, but for those who don't, that could really pose a major major problem!
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ocr

They are joining Jaws and Openbook...
That is a OCR application feature and not a screen reader feature.

To have that in NVDA we will need a virtual printer to send the resultant
image to the Windows 10 OCR engine, and hoping that the engine allows
multipage images...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Don H
Data: 2 de setembro de 2017 01:16
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] ocr

With the OCR function in Jaws 2018 beta you find the file you want to
OCR in file explorer then open the context menu for the file and then
arrow down to recoginize with Jaws and hit enter. You then have a view
that you can read and or copy.


On 9/1/2017 7:12 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Can you explain the differences?
When I used Jaws, the difference was not much, as I remember...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original----- De: Don H
Data: 2 de setembro de 2017 01:03
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] ocr

Sorry to say that the OCR function in Jaws 2018 is much easier than the
OCR in NVDA. I say sorry because I like using NVDA much better than Jaws.










Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Pranav

That's interesting!
I have not heard of the Insider build of Office. What is it? What was the cause of the problem? What has been done to resolve it?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 2:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Cearbhall,

Are you on the insider builds of office? I have switched to the insider build and it has mitigated the problem.

Pranav


Re: Outlook 2016 stopped by NVDA

Pranav Lal
 

Cearbhall,

Are you on the insider builds of office? I have switched to the insider build and it has mitigated the problem.

Pranav


Re: OCR >In Arabic

George Zaynoun
 

Above all that I add I chose Arabic as ocr language in NVDA when doing Arabic, Swedish when doing Swedish and I assume this should be enough.
Original message:

I didn't think of this language thing at all, I have Surface Pro 4 and
Windows language is English UK and NVDA language is set to user default
yet I have Arabic Lebanon installed and its input as well as the
language pack for Windows interface, same for Swedish, German and
French. I made OCR in Swedish and it was very good. It seems good in
Arabic but each line must be reversed.
Original message:
Hi George,
What is the language set to in NVDA menu, Preferences, Windows OCR?
(Note this can be set separately to NVDA's language). For good measure,
what are your Windows and NVDA language settings please?
Regards
Quentin.
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:29 PM, George Zaynoun
<humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

To the NVDA devs, I am getting good OCR results from .jpg files but
each line by itself is read from end to beginning i.e if I have to read
a line correctly I locate the line with cursor up/down then press end
and with ctrl+left arrow I read word by word, if I read a whole line it
is from end to beginning, please fix it asap, thanks.
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Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Well the issue was that an nvdaF1 on the self opening inaccessible window gave basically lots of weird stuff that was not of much help. Hang on....

Your wish is my command.

IO - speech.speak (13:12:44.953):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Clock clock 13:12, \u200eSaturday, \u200e02/\u200e09/\u200e2017']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (13:12:45.726):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - speech.speak (13:12:45.769):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'NotificationOverflow']

IO - speech.speak (13:12:45.783):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Overflow Notification Area tool bar']

IO - speech.speak (13:12:45.799):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Network Internet access button 1 of 3']

IO - speech.speak (13:12:46.769):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Network Internet access tool tip']

IO - speech.speak (13:12:46.855):

Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'View Available Networks']

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (13:12:48.743):

Input: kb(desktop):downArrow

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (13:12:49.200):

Input: kb(desktop):upArrow

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (13:12:56.864):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:12:56.966):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: u'View Available Networks'

role: ROLE_PANE

states: STATE_INVISIBLE, STATE_FOCUSABLE

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: False

Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible object at 0x059E5F50>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (648, 1668, 264, 112)

value: None

appModule: <'explorer' (appName u'explorer', process ID 1752) at address 57cee90>

appModule.productName: u'Microsoft\xae Windows\xae Operating System'

appModule.productVersion: u'6.1.7600.16385'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 1442568

windowClassName: u'NativeHWNDHost'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: -2038431744

windowThreadID: 2004

windowText: u'View Available Networks'

displayText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x6abf368 at 591df30>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=1442568, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accName: u'View Available Networks'

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_INVISIBLE, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1081344)

IAccessible accDescription: None

IAccessible accValue: None

 



You will note that although i know its intel it insists its explorer, and did not need the button to be pushed to activate it at all, it just coverd everything up. I now know the trick to get it out the way, but its a real pain when its visible as there is no warning.


Over to you.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


Is there a GitHub issue for the problem with the system tray (I see a
couple of closed issues just asking for a dialog), but I would word this as
a problem navigating the system tray with that particular Wi-Fi chipset.
Yes a dialog listing the system tray icons may be one way to fix this, but
I would approach it from the point of view of the problem, rather than your
preferred solution (just suggesting).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

You don't have to use the Windows utility. You can use the system tray
add on for reliable and convenient access to the system tray. And this
isn't about getting access to the network settings alone. Another very
important aspect of the problem is that if you don't intend to get access
to the network settings but are moving through the system tray with the
arrow keys, this problem occurs when you move to and intend
to move beyond the icon. So access to the entire system tray is disrupted
even when you have no intention of using the network icon. The system tray
dialog eliminates the problem.

\Gene
----- Original Message -----
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*Sent:* Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:55 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

A workaround should not be required. the system tray is a very standard
way to access various items. If for some reason, proper access can't be
achieved from the keyboard directly and another interface has existed since
about 1998 that provides reliable access, it should be incorporated into
NVDA. I shouldn't have to open something else, whyich is less convenient
and not the way people usually access the network or WIFI when a perfectly
reliable alternative exists for accessing the system tray. And a lot of
people don't know about the system tray add on. No other screen-reader I
know of is without a system tray dialog. There are good reasons.

Gene
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In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact
as
you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet
instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that
Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed
when
you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to
use
the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows version
I
always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but
in
7 and up it seems the various vendors have finally agreed on a common way
to detect the hardware!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI
connections and connect to to networks? It should not be necessary to
hide
a system tray icon. The system tray dialog should be incorporated into
NVDA
because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've
given in earlier threads. This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL
screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles










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Re: OCR >In Arabic

George Zaynoun
 

I didn't think of this language thing at all, I have Surface Pro 4 and Windows language is English UK and NVDA language is set to user default yet I have Arabic Lebanon installed and its input as well as the language pack for Windows interface, same for Swedish, German and French. I made OCR in Swedish and it was very good. It seems good in Arabic but each line must be reversed.
Original message:

Hi George,
What is the language set to in NVDA menu, Preferences, Windows OCR? (Note this can be set separately to NVDA's language). For good measure, what are your Windows and NVDA language settings please?
Regards
Quentin.
On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 5:29 PM, George Zaynoun <humorlessgeza@samobile.net <mailto:humorlessgeza@samobile.net>> wrote:

To the NVDA devs, I am getting good OCR results from .jpg files but each line by itself is read from end to beginning i.e if I have to read a line correctly I locate the line with cursor up/down then press end and with ctrl+left arrow I read word by word, if I read a whole line it is from end to beginning, please fix it asap, thanks.
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Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2048%2029%2029> +46 (500) 43 55 11 <tel:%2B46%20%28500%29%2043%2055%2011>




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Re: OCR >In Arabic

George Zaynoun
 

At the moment I don't have Office but if you have it please try it you understand the language.
Original message:

hi.
I meant to see if the same can be observed with the OCR in office. they
use the same engine. if you can do that it'll be great to know weather
it's the same there.
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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

I haven't submitted a report.  I'll look at the site to see how difficult it is to create an account and submit one. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

Is there a GitHub issue for the problem with the system tray (I see a couple of closed issues just asking for a dialog), but I would word this as a problem navigating the system tray with that particular Wi-Fi chipset.  Yes a dialog listing the system tray icons may be one way to fix this, but I would approach it from the point of view of the problem, rather than your preferred solution (just suggesting).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You don't have to use the Windows utility.  You can use the system tray add on for reliable and convenient access to the system tray.  And this isn't about getting access to the network settings alone.  Another very important aspect of the problem is that if you don't intend to get access to the network settings but are moving through the system tray with the arrow keys, this problem occurs when you move to and intend
to move beyond the icon.  So access to the entire system tray is disrupted even when you have no intention of using the network icon.  The system tray dialog eliminates the problem.
 
\Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

A workaround should not be required.  the system tray is a very standard way to access various items.  If for some reason, proper access can't be achieved from the keyboard directly and another interface has existed since about 1998 that provides reliable access, it should be incorporated into NVDA.  I shouldn't have to open something else, whyich is less convenient and not the way people usually access the network or WIFI when a perfectly reliable alternative exists for accessing the system tray.  And a lot of people don't know about the system tray add on.  No other screen-reader I know of is without a system tray dialog.  There are good reasons. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact as
you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet
instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that
Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed when
you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to use
the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows  version I
always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but in
7 and up it seems the various  vendors have finally agreed on a common way
to detect the hardware!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI
connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide
a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA
because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've
given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 4:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>










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Re: Sorry folks! Was problem with latest NVDA

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It looks like my keyboard is bouncing keys this morning since I see doubled letters on some of my messages, sorry about that folks.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


Interesting, maybe you had an update in or around 20015? Anyway, hide it and if you want to still see wifi, which you cannot do now with the wobbly file, use the built in windows set up which normally works well for me.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


The system tray is universally used for such purposes and if it is incorrectly executing in this case in a lot of computers, how many millions of computers match your technical specifications, then that's a very strong argument to add the system tray dialog. and the problem of something opening, which may be a different problem that occurs under the same conditions, is far more extensive. My Windows 7 laptop is from 2011. It is an Intel machine and I don't know if that matters. I don't lose speech but as I explained something disruptive opens when I move to the icon in the system tray if it is my first time doing so in that session of Windows. The icon is resonding to being selected, not activated. This doesn't matter for a mouse user. it does for a keyboard user. Sometimes, its time to abandon ideology and add something that real world exegencies dictate should be added.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up
but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again.
You do not really need it as windows ordinary applets let you do all the
same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped
networks I think.
There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one
is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if
it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to
the icon would open. I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would
pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was
moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening
whatever it opened. This never happened while using the systray dialog.
also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used
the system tray. I had to use the system tray icon. I don't know what
people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when
directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using
the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray
icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.

On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc
to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the
network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe
1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and
as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles















Re: problem with latest NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Is there a GitHub issue for the problem with the system tray (I see a couple of closed issues just asking for a dialog), but I would word this as a problem navigating the system tray with that particular Wi-Fi chipset.  Yes a dialog listing the system tray icons may be one way to fix this, but I would approach it from the point of view of the problem, rather than your preferred solution (just suggesting).

Regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You don't have to use the Windows utility.  You can use the system tray add on for reliable and convenient access to the system tray.  And this isn't about getting access to the network settings alone.  Another very important aspect of the problem is that if you don't intend to get access to the network settings but are moving through the system tray with the arrow keys, this problem occurs when you move to and intend
to move beyond the icon.  So access to the entire system tray is disrupted even when you have no intention of using the network icon.  The system tray dialog eliminates the problem.
 
\Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

A workaround should not be required.  the system tray is a very standard way to access various items.  If for some reason, proper access can't be achieved from the keyboard directly and another interface has existed since about 1998 that provides reliable access, it should be incorporated into NVDA.  I shouldn't have to open something else, whyich is less convenient and not the way people usually access the network or WIFI when a perfectly reliable alternative exists for accessing the system tray.  And a lot of people don't know about the system tray add on.  No other screen-reader I know of is without a system tray dialog.  There are good reasons. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact as
you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet
instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that
Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed when
you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to use
the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows  version I
always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but in
7 and up it seems the various  vendors have finally agreed on a common way
to detect the hardware!

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI
connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide
a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA
because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've
given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
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You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>










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Re: Question From A Newbie?

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And its not expensive by the looks of it.
However could I suggest that some people find it nice to open the docs in a browser other than default using a small batch file that specifies the browser and the path and file name of the user guide. the good thing about this is that its always open and not overwritten by the default browser, though I suspect using tabbed browsing might manage the same task.

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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question From A Newbie?


Hi Donald,

Looks like everyone else has got you sorted with the help documentation,
and do feel free to post any more questions you come up with!

I mostly thought I'd chime in with a quick "ad" for the official "Basic
Training for NVDA" which is a book (available in electronic text, audio or
Braille) designed to walk you through the features of NVDA with extra
explanation as well as activities each step of the way.

It's available from: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Donald Moore via Groups.Io <
don.moore48=reagan.com@groups.io> wrote:

Could one of you good folks explain how to get to the NVDA documentation?

Thanks in advance!







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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Ann Byrne
 


Re: quick templates for common tasks

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Yes, the ramifications are very complex as some of the info required by the Dolphin version of this, was not easy to come by. It needed executable names and lots of details about the api used by the software if one was used at all.
You could easily get a good way in and then find a road block so to speak. If it were this simple then everything could be automated by AI.
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks


It sounds great in theory but not possible.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Engin Albayrak
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 6:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks



Yes, I want that as a user. I am looking forward results of this study from now.

Thanks, and kongrates You.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 11:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] quick templates for common tasks



hi

I was sitting here thinking of how templates are used in google docs and microsoft office to quickly make resumes and other such things. And then I was struck by an idea I want to run by you guys.

Why not make add-on templates for NVDA? Here is how they would work. An addon template lets non-programmers edit a file to accomplish a specific task such as renaming reclassing objects in certain applications, hitting tab to go through objects in an unuseable application and so on. Lets say you have an inaccessible object you want to make it useable quickly. you open the object reclass template in notepad its a prepared .py file with extensive comments. Most of the work is done for you. the comments may instruct you, however, to get info from the log and paste it here or paste in this bit of code save your file then rename the .py file to what application you want it to act on. templates could be made for global tasks, app specific tasks and so on. Its like a word template but it would be designed to quickly paste in some python code so the non-programmer could do some basic things like reclassing and renaming objects, doing things when objects appear or disappear and so on. What do you think, good idea or not? oh and then when the person is done making the template, they could package it into an addon to share with the community.

some templates may also instruct you to remove comments from certain lines to do things as well. depends on the template and what task you want to quickly get done.

Josh



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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

You don't have to use the Windows utility.  You can use the system tray add on for reliable and convenient access to the system tray.  And this isn't about getting access to the network settings alone.  Another very important aspect of the problem is that if you don't intend to get access to the network settings but are moving through the system tray with the arrow keys, this problem occurs when you move to and intend
to move beyond the icon.  So access to the entire system tray is disrupted even when you have no intention of using the network icon.  The system tray dialog eliminates the problem.
 
\Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

A workaround should not be required.  the system tray is a very standard way to access various items.  If for some reason, proper access can't be achieved from the keyboard directly and another interface has existed since about 1998 that provides reliable access, it should be incorporated into NVDA.  I shouldn't have to open something else, whyich is less convenient and not the way people usually access the network or WIFI when a perfectly reliable alternative exists for accessing the system tray.  And a lot of people don't know about the system tray add on.  No other screen-reader I know of is without a system tray dialog.  There are good reasons. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact as
you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet
instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that
Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed when
you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to use
the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows  version I
always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but in
7 and up it seems the various  vendors have finally agreed on a common way
to detect the hardware!

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI
connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide
a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA
because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've
given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 4:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>








Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Fine print sounds just the same as ordinary print. There is a good opportunity for an add on that inserts a speed hike on the synth for print below a certain size, just like you hear on the radio commercials!
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Note that upgrade offer is only for users of Windows 7 and 8.1 (the same as
the original offer that was open to everyone) - it's on that page but down
the bottom in the fine print.

2017-09-02 11:42 GMT+10:00 Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com>:

[Edited Message Follows]
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade



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Re: problem with latest NVDA

Gene
 

A workaround should not be required.  the system tray is a very standard way to access various items.  If for some reason, proper access can't be achieved from the keyboard directly and another interface has existed since about 1998 that provides reliable access, it should be incorporated into NVDA.  I shouldn't have to open something else, whyich is less convenient and not the way people usually access the network or WIFI when a perfectly reliable alternative exists for accessing the system tray.  And a lot of people don't know about the system tray add on.  No other screen-reader I know of is without a system tray dialog.  There are good reasons. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA

In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact as
you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet
instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that
Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed when
you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to use
the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows  version I
always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but in
7 and up it seems the various  vendors have finally agreed on a common way
to detect the hardware!

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI
connections and connect to to networks?  It should not be necessary to hide
a system tray icon.  The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA
because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've
given in earlier threads.  This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 4:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
 I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
 Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@...> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>
> It may not be relevant to your problem but...
>
>
> On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
> the network icon in the system tray stops speech.  My solution is to hit
> ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
> esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
> the network icon.  This time the network button shows and is available.
>
>
> It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
> reacts in exactly the same way.
>
>
> Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
> never thought of it as a problem.
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
> Clive
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
>> 17.1?
>> i appreciate your answer.
>> God bless you!
>>
>> On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@...> wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
>>> I've
>>> installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
>>> cajoled
>>> back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
>>> system
>>> tray menus.
>>>
>>> It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
>>> internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
>>> in
>>> 20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
>>> rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
>>> I
>>> hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.
>>>
>>> I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
>>> different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
>>> but if
>>> I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
>>> have a
>>> shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
>>> shortcut
>>> begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
>>> tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
>>> NVDA.
>>>
>>> To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
>>> basis
>>> for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
>>> but
>>> I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
>>> have some more informative insight.
>>>
>>> Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)
>>>
>>> Giles
>>>
>>
>
>
>








Re: problem with latest NVDA

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Interesting, maybe you had an update in or around 20015? Anyway, hide it and if you want to still see wifi, which you cannot do now with the wobbly file, use the built in windows set up which normally works well for me.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


The system tray is universally used for such purposes and if it is incorrectly executing in this case in a lot of computers, how many millions of computers match your technical specifications, then that's a very strong argument to add the system tray dialog. and the problem of something opening, which may be a different problem that occurs under the same conditions, is far more extensive. My Windows 7 laptop is from 2011. It is an Intel machine and I don't know if that matters. I don't lose speech but as I explained something disruptive opens when I move to the icon in the system tray if it is my first time doing so in that session of Windows. The icon is resonding to being selected, not activated. This doesn't matter for a mouse user. it does for a keyboard user. Sometimes, its time to abandon ideology and add something that real world exegencies dictate should be added.

Gene
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


It can manifest itself several ways depending on how the desktop is set up
but if you hide that item, then it seems never to block the system again.
You do not really need it as windows ordinary applets let you do all the
same things in any case, and as Isaid earlier, its specific to Intel chipped
networks I think.
There are several Intel applets that run at start up in various places. one
is a security item, which sstrangely does not act the same way.
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I didn't have that issue but in my case, if I moved to the network icon, if
it was the first time during that session of Windows, something related to
the icon would open. I don't remember how I closed it now but if I would
pass over the icon by arrowing while moving to something else, unless I was
moving abnormally quickly, it would disrupt what I was doing by opening
whatever it opened. This never happened while using the systray dialog.
also, it was a good while ago, but another icon didn't activate when I used
the system tray. I had to use the system tray icon. I don't know what
people are experiencing in Windows 10 regarding the system tray when
directly accessed as opposed to the system tray menu, but in Windows 7 using
the system tray directly simply did not work as well as the system tray
icon, ideology aside.

Gene
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From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 1:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.

On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:


Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes, esc
to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to the
network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe
1 in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in
a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and
as I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've
also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I
should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: problem with latest NVDA

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In this case since it does not work properly then hiding it has no inpact as you can tick the show wifi on the windows own wireless network applet instead and this seems to be fine in 7 and ten. Its something weird that Intel put in.

I don't have wifi on this machine but laptops seem to cope well, indeed when you retro install a wifi dongle etc, you often get asked if you want to use the whizz bang set up program they supply or the standard windows version I always use the latter. In old XP you cold find this fails to find it, but in 7 and up it seems the various vendors have finally agreed on a common way to detect the hardware!

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


And if you hide that setting, how do you conveniently look for WIFI connections and connect to to networks? It should not be necessary to hide a system tray icon. The system tray dialog should be incorporated into NVDA because the direct access doesn't work properly and for other reasons I've given in earlier threads. This is strong evidence in favor of my argument.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


You are indeed fortunate indeed then.
I have seen this on half a dozen machines thus far. Hiding that particular
icon permanently in the settings for the task bar fixes it.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with latest NVDA


I don't have that issue at all actually. Running a custom machine with win
10 32 gigs of ram. In fact I never had that issue running windows 7
virtually now that I recall. I just hit windows plus b and right arrow to
the network icon.
On Sep 1, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Clive May <may.c@pobroadband.co.uk> wrote:

Hi


It may not be relevant to your problem but...


On every machine I have used running Windows 7 or Windows 10, moving to
the network icon in the system tray stops speech. My solution is to hit
ctrl esc to bring up the start menu, at which keystroke speech resumes,
esc to cancel back to the task bar, tab to the system tray and cursor to
the network icon. This time the network button shows and is available.


It does not seem to have anything to do with NVDA as the HAL screen-reader
reacts in exactly the same way.


Because it occurs on every machine i have used running 7 and 10, I have
never thought of it as a problem.


Best wishes


Clive





On 01/09/17 15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
can you please explane me did you have these issues using nvda 17.2 and
17.1?
i appreciate your answer.
God bless you!

On 9/1/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know if this is a similar issue, but two or three times since
I've
installed NVDA 17.3 I find that NVDA totally shuts up and can't be
cajoled
back into action other than a hard reset. It happens when I go into
system
tray menus.

It's usually when I go into Network Settings to re-connect my dropped
internet, and as I came out of it there was total silence. It's maybe 1
in
20 times this happens (I have a very flakey internet because I live in a
rural part of Wales). Last night when I went to adjust my volume and as
I
hit enter to open the volume slider all NVDA sound died.

I can CTRL+ALT+Del to go into shutdown options, which speaks with a
different voice (presumably using NVDA, but not my regular settings),
but if
I cancel out to return back to the desktop I'm back to silent mode. I
have a
shortcut to NVDA on my desktop titled znvda so that it's the only
shortcut
begining with a z, so I should be able to jump straight to it. I've also
tried using Win+R to run NVDA that way, but neither one will re-start
NVDA.

To me it feels more like an operating system error, but I've no real
basis
for thinking that. It only happens once every three or four days max,
but
I'm going to turn logging on so that if / when it happens again I should
have some more informative insight.

Hope that's helpful even just a tiny amount :)

Giles


Re: NVDA not reading the message list in Outlook 2016

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Wel I used to disable the preview pane altogether as it slowed stuff down. As for the other issues, I no longer use Outlook. having gone back to thepast with a modified outlook Express. Windows 10 trashes that on alarge updates though.
I suggest you put it back as it was and then alter one thing at a time and see which is the culprit. On here there is a person using Outlook 2003 quite successfully till the last windows 10 update when it randomly exits on some message displays.
Brian

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From: "Supanut Leepaisomboon" <supanut2000@outlook.com>
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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 10:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA not reading the message list in Outlook 2016


Hi,
I'm using NVDA 2017.3 on Windows 10 version 1703 and Outlook 2016. For some reason after I made some changes to the views settings NVDA no longer reads the message list. What I've done is...hide the message preview pane, and hide the favorites from the folders list.
Could anyone tell me how to get NVDA to read the message list again in Outlook 2016, without resetting my views settings?


Re: OCR >In Arabic

Mohammed Al Shara
 

hi.

I meant to see if the same can be observed with the OCR in office. they use the same engine. if you can do that it'll be great to know weather it's the same there.