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Re: Update Problem

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What sort of problem?
I think people might need a bit more details as to the actual issue. brain

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Sherry" <sherryan@wideband.net.au>
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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Update Problem


I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea

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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I've never heard of it, is it like a source view on a web page, showing all the control stuff?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Backstage view? Does anyone who's sighted know what that look like and
what's the point of it being their?


On 9/3/2017 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps it might be useful to discuss how to disable back stage view
in recent versions of Word. I don't use Word but I've seen comments
that appear reliable that turning off back stage view makes Word much
easier to use. This may not be directly related to ribbons but since
we are discussing ribbons this may be a helpful topic.
Brian
Thanks for the compliment of my ribbon material.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

In addition to Gene's material, which is great, I wrote the following
for my clients:

* Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard
<https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOTUI1dDhDaHpwTk0>

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Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

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But yours do not have this and mine do but they are both via groups.io
Thing is its not always the case. Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding how my name is shown here


I believe you can't, and that's probably a good thing. This way recipients
can tell the difference between emails sent directly by you and emails
resent by groups.io. In the latter case, the recipients must trust that
groups.io is faithfully relaying your emails. In this case, we probably
trust groups.io, but you might not trust other relayers, so it's good to
know who is doing the relaying.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io <
carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when I
write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I get
it to just display my name?


Thanks,


Noah





Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

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I have the same problem, but not always. its weird.
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Subject: [nvda] Question Regarding how my name is shown here


Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when I write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I get it to just display my name?


Thanks,


Noah



Re: Further Update Query

Andrea Sherry
 

I believe that it is something like 1073.

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 6:48 PM, Chris wrote:

What is the current build of windows you are running?

 

 

From: Andrea Sherry
Sent: 04 September 2017 02:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Further Update Query

 

Well the other thing that it would appear I have not been offered online

is that Creative update. Should this still apply me if I am using

Windows 10 pro?

 

Andrea

 

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from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad

 

 

 


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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on the screen. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons, th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.


Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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You can get a ribbon remover for Explorer in windows 10, but every major update it has to be reinstalled. Also some options still do not work as they did, ie setting all foolders to list view seems to have no option as there are now lots of different forms of folders and each seems to have to be configured alone which is mightly annoying.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


I use this PC to get to my stuff. I need to make myself learn the ribon. I've been ising WIN for 2 years and I've never made myself learn it.


On 9/3/2017 8:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes, 10 seems to be a bit clunky to me in Explorer and I was always looking for ways to make it streamlined and easier, but then of course, we are coming at It from a different angle to the majority of users. This is where the ribbon debate gets to be a real issue for us. It may have some sense if you can see the overview, but in our down the centre of a loo roll view its illogical, mixing as it does different objects we have come to put into different little categories in our minds.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Well to be honest I'd really like to see the updates as they were in 7 there is no problem with me updating but as a geek I want to read what I am updating first.

As for spying don't care that much every time you sign up to anything well.

Saying that, ms is supposed to be a user orientated thing now so if people want more control they should get it.

I'd actually like a way to control what desktop a user had.

Ie windows xp style shell, win7 style shell or win10 style shell.

I am sure thats not to hard.

I'd pick the 7 style shell however if I could pick bits and bobs that would be even better.

the xp style explorer works for me, the win7 style start menu works to, all the progress bars and other things as they used to be work well to.

But I do like the kernal of 10.




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The new version about to hit the internet I think, finally means you can even on the basic version of 10, stop all this forced updating and spying and advertising junk.
I doubt its been made that obvious, but so many have complained I think Microsoft had to include it as so many people were hacking the registry and screwing things up!

Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Spying on you? You know you can privacy settings. Look into those before
you say stuff like this. They only entity I worry spying on me is our
shadow government here in the US, but that's off topic here.


On 9/1/2017 9:03 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is
if you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not
upgrading to Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are
second hand Windows 7 computers available at local department stores
at cheap prices. Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM
and 3.3GHZ Intel Core I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be
even less than 25000 Thai baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a
child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play
with it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.







Re: Making Partition Using NVDA

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That is clearly not true, as a friend of mine has done this, but he is sighted. He used partition magic and a special bit of code in the primary partition that allowed you to select which OS you booted. As there are only two and it always defaults to the same position, the fact that this does not speak is not an issue for blind use.
I'll need to ask him the trick.
I think it can have issues if there is already a hidden partition for recovery use as is often the case these days. Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA


If there's a way to resize partitions with built in windows tools, I
sure never learned about it. The only way to make one partition two
partitions is to delete the existing partition, and create two of them,
which wipes out everything on the drive, and leaves you with two freshly
formatted partitions both of which will be completely blank. This is
fine if you don't care about the contents of your hard disk, but if
you're trying to simply split a single partition into two partitions,
then there aren't any ways to do this with just default windows utilities.


On 9/2/2017 11:41 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi, I don’t want to go with third party application. Built-in disk
management option can fulfil my requirement. My question is that How
to do this using NVDA?

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Unless you have a program that can resize partitions, you're not going
to be able to change your partitions without loosing
everything.Paragon has a couple programs that can do this, check out
http://paragon-software.com and take a look at their partition manager
or their hard disk manager depending on how much you want to do. Both
programs aren't 100 percent accessible, but they're close enough to
get the job done. If you're willing to help out, let me know, and
can give you my affiliate links, but if you just want to purchase the
programs, that's ok too.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi List,

Kindly someone guide me to make partition on C drive using NVDA.

I am using Del laptop with Win10 64 Bits. In this laptop all the
space is reserved for C drive. I want to make two partitions to
allocate my data.

Thanks In Advance

Raghu

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Re: Further Update Query

Chris
 

What is the current build of windows you are running?

 

 

From: Andrea Sherry
Sent: 04 September 2017 02:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Further Update Query

 

Well the other thing that it would appear I have not been offered online

is that Creative update. Should this still apply me if I am using

Windows 10 pro?

 

Andrea

 

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Re: Github

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So why is it called a pull not a push?
Seems logical to me. :-)
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Github


Hi Gene,

Pull requests are code contribution from another Github repos.
You fork the NVDA git repos on your Github account, make your code
contribution then submit it by creating a pull request.

It facilitates code merging.

Patrick

Le 03/09/2017 à 15:28, Gene a écrit :
What are pull requests?

Gene
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I asked this some time ago, and Jamie sent me some stuff. There is now a
new
issues link and also a search field, but I've never found the search to be
very intuitive and I suspect this is why so many duplicate issues get filed.

Quinton sent me this also.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues -
there is a search edit on that page you can type your query in to see if
there's an existing issue (open or closed, though note it will only show
open issues at first by default) which deals with what you are looking for.

To post a new issue, there should be a "new issue" button on most pages.
Activating that will take you here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new with the main components being
a title edit and a "leave a comment" edit where you can describe your issue
in detail.


However recently some guidelines are now in there for fields that prompt
you
to give useful information as well.

One thing that I do not like about it is that it does not send an email to
you even if you are subscribed to its list, you only see others comments.
However when you reply via email, you really do need to edit off quoted
stuff as otherwise looking at the issue on line gets very confused. I
occasionally forget myself. Also, it won't send you back these emails
either.
I am not sure who came up with this rule but its bonkers if you use the
email list to know where you are, as to see your own comments you either
need to find it in your own sent folder or go to the website.
Anyway, I've had my say.
Problems? Well...
The biggest issue I had was creating the account in the first place and
getting past all the stuff that is just not relevant.


You can attach files, but thus far I've not made this work!
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Github


I just looked at the Github NVDA part of the site. I haven't signed up yet
but it looks easy to do so and to create a pull request, which I assume is
what is generally referred to on this list as a ticket. But many people
may
find the page confusing. Is there a way that some sort of short help
information can be inserted after the navigation links on the page,
instructing people what to do to create what are called tickets, perhaps
also how to search for tickets and how to create an account? If tickets
are
desired from the widest variety of users, this process should be somehow
explained and done so in a place that those wishing to create tickets will
be likely to see the explanation.

Gene




Re: Github

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I don't need to know but I think its when you want to grab the source and mess about with it and either make a new branch or test your fiddlings locally.
I've never tried one. Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Github


What are pull requests?

Gene
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I asked this some time ago, and Jamie sent me some stuff. There is now a new
issues link and also a search field, but I've never found the search to be
very intuitive and I suspect this is why so many duplicate issues get filed.

Quinton sent me this also.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues -
there is a search edit on that page you can type your query in to see if
there's an existing issue (open or closed, though note it will only show
open issues at first by default) which deals with what you are looking for.

To post a new issue, there should be a "new issue" button on most pages.
Activating that will take you here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new with the main components being
a title edit and a "leave a comment" edit where you can describe your issue
in detail.


However recently some guidelines are now in there for fields that prompt you
to give useful information as well.

One thing that I do not like about it is that it does not send an email to
you even if you are subscribed to its list, you only see others comments.
However when you reply via email, you really do need to edit off quoted
stuff as otherwise looking at the issue on line gets very confused. I
occasionally forget myself. Also, it won't send you back these emails
either.
I am not sure who came up with this rule but its bonkers if you use the
email list to know where you are, as to see your own comments you either
need to find it in your own sent folder or go to the website.
Anyway, I've had my say.
Problems? Well...
The biggest issue I had was creating the account in the first place and
getting past all the stuff that is just not relevant.


You can attach files, but thus far I've not made this work!
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 12:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] Github


I just looked at the Github NVDA part of the site. I haven't signed up yet
but it looks easy to do so and to create a pull request, which I assume is
what is generally referred to on this list as a ticket. But many people may
find the page confusing. Is there a way that some sort of short help
information can be inserted after the navigation links on the page,
instructing people what to do to create what are called tickets, perhaps
also how to search for tickets and how to create an account? If tickets are
desired from the widest variety of users, this process should be somehow
explained and done so in a place that those wishing to create tickets will
be likely to see the explanation.

Gene


Re: Update Problem

Chris
 

Windows defender definition updates do not show in update history, that is why you don’t see them there

 

 

From: Don H
Sent: 04 September 2017 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update Problem

 

The update history on my computer doesn't seem to show the Defender

update history and I know that there is a Defender update just about

every day.  Other Windows updates don't come that often and I only show

three.

 

 

On 9/3/2017 7:49 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:

> Yes that's what it ways every time. However when I check in the update

> history only three entries show up.

> Andrea

> On 4/09/2017 9:56 AM, Don H wrote:

>> Are you getting the result of your check for updates that your system

>> is up to date?

>> 

>> 

>> On 9/3/2017 6:43 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:

>>> Do you mean pressing that check for updates button. Well yes I have

>>> done that.

>>> 

>>> Thanks heaps for all the replies. I'm sure that between us we'll get

>>> to the bottom of this.

>>> 

>>> Andrea

>>> 

>>> 

>>> On 4/09/2017 9:40 AM, Don H wrote:

>>>> Have you checked for updates manually?

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> On 9/3/2017 5:37 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:

>>>>> Not getting any updates to my windows system through including

>>>>> Defender definition updates

>>>>> 

>>>>> Andrea

>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>>> On 4/09/2017 8:21 AM, Jessica D wrote:

>>>>>> Hi,

>>>>>> What seems to be the issue?

>>>>>> Can you please provide more information?

>>>>>> When did the issue start?

>>>>>> What does it involve?

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> Sent from my iPad

>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Andrea Sherry

>>>>>>> <sherryan@...> wrote:

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would

>>>>>>> like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> Andrea

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can

>>>>>>> start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>>> 

>>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Help With Eloquence

 

I havn't looked and if they are old they may not work but I have traced round for things like winlame and to be honest what I thought was dead did have an update and is still about.

On 4/09/2017 9:23 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What about the old Mbrela voices? I wonder if those things are still around?
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575
----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence


Free voices.

Well you are restricted to the following.

1. the nvda extra voices page has festival, and pico and a few other
things.

2. the speachhub project I think its speachhup.org but I forget thats
got a few.

Thirdly the ms voices, sapi4 are free they are round ms site.

4. While not exactly free if you email enablerehab@gmail.com and get
the dectalk sapi voices and just pay a couple bucks or whatever you can
spare you will get some voices the volumes are not that great but well.

Ofcause the other way I'd go is if you can get some cash, watch out for
voice pack sales, I got the inoetics voices for a sale early on.

The voices at atguys.com are in packs to.

There is flite if you can find it, its worse than espeak but its about.




On 4/09/2017 3:44 a.m., mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> any free sites for voices? I don't have any money
>
> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
>> Have you looked at any of the following sites?
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
>>
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/high-quality-voices-available-for-nvda/
>>
>> http://www.acapela-nvda.com/
>>
>> I found them all using a Google search for "NVDA voices".
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 16:55:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>> Oguledo
>> wrote:
>>
>>> any voices for free I am now using espeak bilt by NVDA y e speak np
>>> nop no ivonna or hi tech voices. I will not say there name. I will not
>>> brack the code. but I hat ihate I hate e speak
>>>
>>> On 9/3/17, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
>>>> go here to get the voices for NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20&zenid=85ea
>>>> 007d48eb24d89f88d60f78838cbd
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2017 9:39 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>>>>> if I want it both for free where do I go &if I need to pay how much
>>>>> are there both caust
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How you can understand clearly what he is saying? It's not entirely
>>>>>> clear to me so far... ;)
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I had to say it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 03/09/2017 a las 10:57, Gene escribió:
>>>>>>> you have repeatedly said that the trial has run out and that you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> the voices forever. Whether you realize it or not, you are asking
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get the ssoftware illegally. If the owners of the software wanted
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to have it for free, they wouldn't charge anything and the software
>>>>>>> wouldn't time out. Now that I have explained this, I will hold you
>>>>>>> strictly responsible for not requesting illegal software.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> *From:* mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>> <mailto:ochikodinaka@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:51 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not trying2brake the law. that's is y I need the email address
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the lady hoos needs the help with voices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well you can't get them for free legally and if you keep up this
>>>>>>> nonsense,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> requesting free illegal software on list, I will put you on
>>>>>>>> moderated
>>>>>>>> status. You have been told specifically by me, a list moderator,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> perhaps by other members in other messages that it is not allowed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> illegal software on list. If you don't follow this rule, you will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> moderated for at least one week, probably two or three. You have
>>>>>>>> been clearly told not to discuss illegal software on list and you
>>>>>>>> blatantly ignore that request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene, Moderator
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> y? do u need to pay for vocilizly and eti jaws?eleiqwence I need
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> both for free and for ever
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it
>>>>>>> <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read the email you are replying to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It contains the email address you are asking for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact it contains it twice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 15:02:09, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>>> Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> off list I need your emailAddress so we can gist off list about
>>>>>>>>>> eliqwence and vocializer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> He wrote his email address in the message you just replied to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 14:37:58, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oguledo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> please please please
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your email address please so we we we can gist about
>>>>>>> vocalizer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> &e t I eleqwence off off this list
>>>>>>>>>>>> my free trial expired I wont to keep it for ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/17, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those voices come with a free trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 05:29, chris judge
>>>>>>> <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com <mailto:chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Write me off list re eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrisjudge1967@gmail.com <mailto:Chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: August 28, 2017 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a free tom or somethah for nvda not payed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one is the $59 one that donates a part of the cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I got the price wrong but this company donates a
>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of eloquence to the nvda company. I should add I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google for it but by now lost the link in my over 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history items I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept for about 7 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <knitqueen2007@gmail.com <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to pay for that one. You can't get it illegally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I did. but I need the add on to eliqwence for NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is readey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't use the jaws eloquence voice because it's tied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:01 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need the link 2the jaws add on for NVDA hq please or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices/addpns for nvda NVDA is my favorit favorit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creenreader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjonsson1986@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open nvda menu insert+n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 times down Arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a submenu called codefactory There should it be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Från: Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please don't leave the group when you don't want to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Every time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe and
>>>>>>> send a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, the first message you send has to be approved.
>>>>>>> Every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new member has to have his first message approved. This
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting list administrators can't change. It is a
>>>>>>> setting set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the entire list serve administrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please go nomail so that every time you want to start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail and discuss something, the first message you send
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be approved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While messages are generally approved quickly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonbly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly, you may wait many hours perhaps six or eight if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neeither the owner or I look at the list because we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleeping. To go nomail, send a blank message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resume receiving mail as individual messages, send a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+single@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will resume single delivery if you have gone nomail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and run it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after installing the add on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as I
>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Code Factory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should. You can get a
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that version as well. If you have problems finding it,
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should get you the information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ibrahim Ajayi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence
>>>>>>> expressive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The program has been properly installed, and I've gone
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the settings. But I cannot find the program in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-menu of NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can anyone help me understand what could have gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I didn't do properly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> It is also possible that putting the birds in a laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently renders them relatively incompetent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Daniel C Dennett
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please reply
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
>>>>>>>>> we'd be so simple that we couldn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please reply
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>> please *don't*
>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try again
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try again
>>
>>
>>
>




Re: Update Problem

 

Well have you run the windows update troubleshooter?

Failing this the windows update readyness tool.

there is sfc/scannow as well as the dism/online/cleanupimage/restorehealth.

If neither of these work, windows is being stupid.

Does it happen on other systems.

If it doesn't you maybe need to reformat and reinstall windows.

If it does or you have no other thing to test this with then it could be a net issue.

I had the same issue with ms once on old win7 x86 some of this solution may still be valid I kept it about.

Hi Shaun Everiss,
It was my pleasure to work with you on your Windows 7 service request 1187621400.  I hope that you were happy with the service provided to you.
Based on our last conversation it appears that this service request is resolved and ready to be archived.  If this is not correct or premature please let us know as soon as possible.
My goal is to ensure that your experience with Microsoft Technical Support leaves you delighted with our products and services. Here is a summary of the key points for your records:
Action: Tried to download Windows Updates
Result: Failed, error 0x084402f
Cause: Possible connectivity issues, manual updates needed.
Resolution:
Downloaded System Update Readiness Tool:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947821
Changed DNS Server:
From Network Connections, right click on your LAN connection, choose properties.
Select IPV4, choose properties, change the DNS Server:
Primary: 4.2.2.2
Alternate: 4.2.2.1
As we are concluding our efforts on this issue, we hope you will take a few minutes of your valuable time to complete a customer satisfaction survey (web survey), which you will receive an invitation via e-mail. Your continued feedback is very much appreciated and valued.
Thank you for choosing Microsoft.
Zeus
Microsoft Technical Support ANZ
Support Line: AU 132058 |NZ 0800 800 004 | Email: <<auto agent e-mail>>
Support Website : http://support.microsoft.com
Support Hours : Australia 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM AEST | New Zealand 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM (Mon - Fri)
Exciting new features with Windows 8! Want to know more? Kindly visit this link; http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/how-to#2TC=windows8

In that there is something to do with dns settings, fiddle with those and maybe it works maybe it doesn't then put them back.

You may also want to get your lines tested though to be honest I have no idea what one can do with newer wireless  and voip and other services.

If you ring your isp they may refresh your connection and usually it works but if it doesn't they may send someone to look at the connections.

Win10 should be fine, however I had issues with my uncle's server, his security software and a wireless card.

The system got a lot of what it thought was malware and other things some was junk and I cleared it but the security software got to good for itself and mangled the account and the system.

After recreating the mangled account and a few other reinstalls of some things, I traced the issue to faulty hardware and replaced it.

On 4/09/2017 10:16 a.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea


Re: Synths

 

I havn't experimented with mbrola, maybe tonight I will look at it and see if I can actually do it.

On 4/09/2017 10:43 a.m., Ronald J Glaser wrote:
vocalizer, Eloquence, Ivona,Neo Speech, Acapela  are all paid voices


On 9/3/2017 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I've changed the subject to better reflect. Hope that was OK.
I don't think Vocalizer is free either. Sorry.
---
Christopher Gilland
----- Original Message -----

    *From:* mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
    <mailto:ochikodinaka@gmail.com>
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:39 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

    vocilelizer the nvda version or the all computer of vocolizer please
    or free free free voices not the ones u pay for I don't have the money


Re: Excel reading issues/Repository

Dmitriy <dlazarev86@...>
 

No, everything’s good. It’s just I didn’t want to appear to be pushy or something.

Very exciting time for NVDA.

 

Btw, can you give me some sort of advice regarding extracting a repository that has not been made to an add-on to work with NVDA?

 

 

 

Dmitry

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 11:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel reading issues

 

Oh, no problem.  It's not always easy to find similar existing issues if the creator used different wording or terminology.  I was just noting the "current" issue in the thread (and that this is an issue for Excel 2010 users, it doesn't seem to affect 2016 at least), I wasn't telling you off or anything *smile*.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Dmitriy <dlazarev86@...> wrote:

Yeah sorry, thanks for closing the double issue.

 

Dmitry

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 5:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel reading issues

 

I see the issue you created on GitHub has been closed as it was a duplicate of another issue: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2946  That original issue is still open.  It does work in Excel 2016.

 

There have been a couple of issues caused by the way Excel does editing cells - another one is reading formatting (and particularly formatting where an entire cell is not formatted uniformly).

 

Regards


Quentin.

 

On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Dmitriy <dlazarev86@...> wrote:

Hi again,

 

As I stated before, I’m using Windows 10 Creater’s Edition with Excel 2010, and NVDA version 2017.3.

I’ve already tried the below steps with all of the add-ons disabled and It still doesn’t read what I need it to read.

I go to any of my already created Excel spreadsheets, and locate a cell I want to work with like a27.

So I go there, press f2 to get to the editing of the cell.

It reads everything when I’m moving through the text with left and right arrow keys.

However, when I want to select a portion of that text either character by character shift+right arrow key or word by word ctrl+shift+right arrow key, NVDA doesn’t read anything I’m selecting.

Obviously, when you press ctrl+c to copy the text it’ll go to the clipboard no problem, but the fact that you don’t know what’s been selected and copied, really bugs me.

 

Maybe there is a solution which I could implement to make everything work as it should.

I’ve tried key echo, and it still behaves the same way.

 

On the other hand, when I’m using Google Sheets, pressing f2 and then selecting text with shift+right arrow makes everything read as it should.

 

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Re: Help With Eloquence

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I don't know about on windows, but linux can still use the mbrola voices, you can use them with the festival speech synthesizer (and there's also the flite synth for linux too).  Surprising amount of choices on linux.  I used to have flite and festival hold conversations with each other, it was quite amusing, and actually got the attention of my wife when she wasn't paying attention and I wanted her help with something. *grin*.



On 9/3/2017 5:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What about the old Mbrela voices? I wonder if those things are still around?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

Free voices.

Well you are restricted to the following.

1. the nvda extra voices page has festival, and pico and a few other
things.

2. the speachhub project I think its speachhup.org but I forget thats
got a few.

Thirdly the ms voices, sapi4 are free they are round ms site.

4. While not exactly free if you email enablerehab@... and get
the dectalk sapi voices and just pay a couple bucks or whatever you can
spare you will get some voices the volumes are not that great but well.

Ofcause the other way I'd go is if you can get some cash, watch out for
voice pack sales, I got the inoetics voices for a sale early on.

The voices at atguys.com are in packs to.

There is flite if you can find it, its worse than espeak but its about.




On 4/09/2017 3:44 a.m., mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> any free sites for voices? I don't have any money
>
> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>> Have you looked at any of the following sites?
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
>>
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/post/high-quality-voices-available-for-nvda/
>>
>> http://www.acapela-nvda.com/
>>
>> I found them all using a Google search for "NVDA voices".
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 16:55:46, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum
>> Oguledo
>> wrote:
>>
>>> any voices for free I am now using espeak bilt by NVDA y e speak np
>>> nop no ivonna or hi tech voices. I will not say there name. I will not
>>> brack the code. but I hat ihate I hate e speak
>>>
>>> On 9/3/17, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>>>> go here to get the voices for NVDA.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20&zenid=85ea
>>>> 007d48eb24d89f88d60f78838cbd
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2017 9:39 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>>>>> if I want it both for free where do I go &if I need to pay how much
>>>>> are there both caust
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:
>>>>>> How you can understand clearly what he is saying? It's not entirely
>>>>>> clear to me so far... ;)
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I had to say it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 03/09/2017 a las 10:57, Gene escribió:
>>>>>>> you have repeatedly said that the trial has run out and that you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> the voices forever.  Whether you realize it or not, you are asking
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get the ssoftware illegally.  If the owners of the software wanted
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to have it for free, they wouldn't charge anything and the software
>>>>>>> wouldn't time out.  Now that I have explained this, I will hold you
>>>>>>> strictly responsible for not requesting illegal software.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> *From:* mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>> <mailto:ochikodinaka@...>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:51 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not trying2brake the law. that's is y I need the email address
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the lady hoos needs the help with voices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well you can't get them for free legally and if you keep up this
>>>>>>> nonsense,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> requesting free illegal software on list, I will put you on
>>>>>>>> moderated
>>>>>>>> status.  You have been told specifically by me, a list moderator,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> perhaps by other members in other messages that it is not allowed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> illegal software on list.  If you don't follow this rule, you will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> moderated for at least one week, probably two or three.  You have
>>>>>>>> been clearly told not to discuss illegal software on list and you
>>>>>>>> blatantly ignore that request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene, Moderator
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> y? do u need to pay for vocilizly and eti jaws?eleiqwence I need
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> both for free and for ever
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:antony.stone@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read the email you are replying to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It contains the email address you are asking for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact it contains it twice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 15:02:09, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>>> Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> off list I need your emailAddress so we can gist off list about
>>>>>>>>>> eliqwence and vocializer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> He wrote his email address in the message you just replied to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 14:37:58, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oguledo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> please please please
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your email address please so we we we can gist about
>>>>>>> vocalizer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> &e t I eleqwence off off this list
>>>>>>>>>>>> my free trial expired I wont to keep it  for ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/17, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those voices come with a free trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 05:29, chris judge
>>>>>>> <chrisjudge1967@... <mailto:chrisjudge1967@...>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Write me off list re eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrisjudge1967@... <mailto:Chrisjudge1967@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: August 28, 2017 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a free tom or somethah for nvda not payed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which  one is the $59 one that donates a part of the cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I got the price wrong but this company donates a
>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of eloquence to the nvda company. I should add I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google for it but by now lost the link in my over 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history items I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept for about 7 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <knitqueen2007@... <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to pay for that one. You can't get it illegally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I did. but I need the add on to eliqwence for NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is readey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't use the jaws eloquence voice because it's tied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:01 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need the link 2the jaws add on for NVDA hq please or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices/addpns for nvda NVDA is my favorit favorit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creenreader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjonsson1986@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open nvda menu insert+n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 times down Arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a submenu called codefactory There should it be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Från: Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please don't leave the group when you don't want to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Every time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe and
>>>>>>> send a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, the first message you send has to be approved.
>>>>>>> Every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new member has to have his first message approved.  This
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting list administrators can't change.  It is a
>>>>>>> setting set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the entire list serve administrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please go nomail so that every time you want to start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail and discuss something, the first message you send
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be approved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While messages are generally approved quickly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonbly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly, you may wait many hours perhaps six or eight if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neeither the owner or I look at the list because we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleeping. To go nomail, send a blank message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resume receiving mail as individual messages, send a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+single@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will resume single delivery if you have gone nomail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and run it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after installing the add on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as I
>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Code Factory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should.  You can get a
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that version as well.  If you have problems finding it,
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should get you the information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ibrahim Ajayi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence
>>>>>>> expressive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The program has been properly installed, and I've gone
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the settings.  But I cannot find the program in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-menu of NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can anyone help me understand what could have gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I didn't do properly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> It is also possible that putting the birds in a laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently renders them relatively incompetent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Daniel C Dennett
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                                      Please reply
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,
>>>>>>>>> we'd be so simple that we couldn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                                                      Please reply
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>> please *don't*
>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>> me.
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>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try again
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try again
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy

On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@gmail.com> wrote:

Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
reader that


comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
it. This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2. I'm not
saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
causes it. I doubt MS would do anything to solve it, so I just avoid
using that keystroke.

Cheers#

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Hi everyone,

I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.

Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.

I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
problem.

Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?


I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie












Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

 

you can get help from gene or other moderators.
i went to the website and changed my name to my real name.
God bless you!

On 9/4/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
So, how is your name shown as "Marshall handheld Flax" then?

I subscribe to the list by email (ie: not the web interface) and my name is

shown as "Antony Stone".

No mention of "via Groups.io" in either of our names...


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 00:00:31, Marshall handheld Flax wrote:

I believe you can't, and that's probably a good thing. This way
recipients
can tell the difference between emails sent directly by you and emails
resent by groups.io. In the latter case, the recipients must trust that
groups.io is faithfully relaying your emails. In this case, we probably
trust groups.io, but you might not trust other relayers, so it's good to
know who is doing the relaying.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when
I
write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I
get
it to just display my name?


Thanks,


Noah
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Please apologise my errors, since I have a very small device.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't* CC
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Re: email and nvda

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

thunderbird works a treat.  It's a bit slow at times (especially if you have thousands and thousands of messages), but otherwise, it works just fine with NVDA, and I've been using it for just about a year now without any major problems.



On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy



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