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Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

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Yes but why does it sometimes append the other part?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding how my name is shown here


you can get help from gene or other moderators.
i went to the website and changed my name to my real name.
God bless you!

On 9/4/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
So, how is your name shown as "Marshall handheld Flax" then?

I subscribe to the list by email (ie: not the web interface) and my name is

shown as "Antony Stone".

No mention of "via Groups.io" in either of our names...


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 00:00:31, Marshall handheld Flax wrote:

I believe you can't, and that's probably a good thing. This way
recipients
can tell the difference between emails sent directly by you and emails
resent by groups.io. In the latter case, the recipients must trust that
groups.io is faithfully relaying your emails. In this case, we probably
trust groups.io, but you might not trust other relayers, so it's good to
know who is doing the relaying.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when
I
write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I
get
it to just display my name?


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Re: email and nvda

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Can you open several folders and leave them open and just go between them?
Also how can one do identities on Tbird, to make it work like Outlook express so you know which email account is replying to an email.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


thunderbird works a treat. It's a bit slow at times (especially if you
have thousands and thousands of messages), but otherwise, it works just
fine with NVDA, and I've been using it for just about a year now without
any major problems.



On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a
second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the
same window).

Cindy




Re: Github

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I think all those addresses were in my last email about this. Also although those extra fields are OK they can make it more complicated if you are not sure if the issue really depends on anything special. The big problem for me at l4east is that I'm not all the time logged into this account and can easily miss a new itemm that is needed to be answered by me. and since the original message and your own submitted bits by email do not generate an email back to you the actual thread in the list gets broken. ideally github should respond every time even from yourself to keep this working.
That is hat I think anyway.
Take this as an example the odd effect I see on some web sites where using k to move through links will sometimes read the text with the first character missing. I don't know whether this is a page authoring issue, an nvda one or a firefox one.
Trying to put that sensibly into a ticket is not as easy as it sounds.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Github


As mentioned, if you want to create a ticket, submit an issue or generally
report something that isn't working / could work better / should be
implemented etc, what you want to do is create a new issue. The link to
the issues section is https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Unless you are writing code yourself, you can mostly ignore the other
sections (code, pull requests, projects, etc).

Ideally, it's worth jumping to the SECOND edit box on that page to search
for the issue you want to report. (the first one searches code and other
things, you want to search issues). So, if someone reported a problem with
footnotes in Word 2016 for instance, I'd search for "word 2016 footnotes"
or similar in that second edit box. There are two types of issues, open
and closed. Open issues are either new issues that haven't been triaged yet
(that is, no one has looked at them to see how serious they are, whether
the issue has already been reported etc), or issues which are being worked
on, or waiting to be worked on. Closed issues are issues which have either
been fixed, or which are duplicates of other issues, or sometimes things
which can't or won't be fixed. If the problem with footnotes is that you
want them to appear at the top of the page for instance, then that isn't
something related to NVDA. That's a feature request for Word itself and
you'd need to submit that to Microsoft.

To create a new issue, there is a "new issue" button, you can jump straight
there with https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new

When you create a new issue, there is a block of text in the "comment"
prompting you for the kinds of information that are useful in diagnosing
the issue. Please try and include: steps to reproduce the issue, attach
any files which might help (eg if Word crashes every time you try and check
formatting in this particular file, if you can share it, that would help),
what should happen and what actually happens, and your system configuration
(Windows version, application version, NVDA version and whether installed
or portable), and anything you've done to try and resolve or get more
information (eg tried different version of NVDA or other program). Don't
stress if you don't have every piece of that information or if you aren't
sure if the issue has been filed before. When someone goes to triage the
issue, they will ask for more information if needed. If the issue has been
filed previously, they will link to it (and likely close the duplicate
issue you created).

If you do have any more questions, please feel free to ask.

Kind regards

Quentin.



On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 2:40 AM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com>
wrote:

Good point sir. Ive seen Get Hub's pages in the past and its confusing as
heck.

On 9/3/2017 7:34 AM, Gene wrote:

I just looked at the Github NVDA part of the site. I haven't signed up
yet but it looks easy to do so and to create a pull request, which I assume
is what is generally referred to on this list as a ticket. But many people
may find the page confusing. Is there a way that some sort of short help
information can be inserted after the navigation links on the page,
instructing people what to do to create what are called tickets, perhaps
also how to search for tickets and how to create an account? If tickets
are desired from the widest variety of users, this process should be
somehow explained and done so in a place that those wishing to create
tickets will be likely to see the explanation.

Gene





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Re: email and nvda

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Most allow this but seem to slow down the more you open and getting between them can often be a bit of a fuddle.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


How do you open multiple folders?


On September 3, 2017 10:38:35 PM "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Have you tried the Mail app in windows 10?
It works quite well with NvDA.

On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, slery <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a
second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same
window).
Cindy


Re: Synths

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Yes this is the Australian version of English. the west midlands one is quite good if you are from the north of the UK otherwise its quite funny.
The worst part of Espeak is Us English which sounds more cultured Canadian to me.

I wrote the Quincy varient and tend to still use it myself. Note though that my Auntie and others do not actually alter the phonemes, just the frequencies and accentuation of them, that is all.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo" <ochikodinaka@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Synths


I love NVSA ooh! its NVDA from nvaccess.org or www.NVDA-project.org!
Y? espe speak please the next nvdaNVDA update needs to b like
like.like
like. like human ivona big big voices or meggia voices upgrad the e
speak! please I usest Speak all my life sence first of NVDA back in
2000 Y? Now of e speak please free free more free free free free free
voices Non NVaccess or NVDA\nvda NOICE! Have a nice Day! goodbuy

On 9/3/17, Ronald J Glaser <truefriends@abe.midco.net> wrote:
vocalizer, Eloquence, Ivona,Neo Speech, Acapela are all paid voices


On 9/3/2017 5:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
I've changed the subject to better reflect. Hope that was OK.
I don't think Vocalizer is free either. Sorry.
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence

vocilelizer the nvda version or the all computer of vocolizer please
or free free free voices not the ones u pay for I don't have the
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Re: Further Update Query

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Yes.
Although I think there are different levels of update you can turn on and off. I got thoroughly confused by this part.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Sherry" <sherryan@wideband.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 2:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Further Update Query


Well the other thing that it would appear I have not been offered online is that Creative update. Should this still apply me if I am using Windows 10 pro?

Andrea

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Re: one core voices

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Yes I'm one of those who cannot hear and understand any voice if its as fast as some use them. A guy I know has Daniel on his phone going so fast it sounds like some demented chipmunk but he claims to be able to understand it.
Wow.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] one core voices


Hi Don


after changing the text to speech settings to a at least 80 percent as in the previous email after that i could ajust it in nvda but no faster than what i had set before hand.


This machine is a slow one but no lag even on the desktop at the faster rate.


if i went any quicker in the rate that i set before hand i probably would have to slow it down in nvda and plus if i also went into narrator he would be to quick.


gene nz


On 04/09/2017 10:20, Don H wrote:

I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings. I guess the lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the icon you are moving to. For example at the desktop I hit the letter n and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.

On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi don


At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.


there is a work around for the moment which works.


In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it came up with some results.

it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings, System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.


When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys to do this.


Then close it the screen i mean.


You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.


Gene nz


On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my syn I have been using the access

32 syn with NVDA. I have tried the One Core David voice but find it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn. Of course David sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there a way to change how the one core voices perform?







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Re: Update Problem

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Question, after a major update like the creators update, is the update history from previous versions deleted?

If yes, then three sounds about right. I do also notice on a friends machine it will say something like you have one critical update pending and 4 updates which are optional, and there is normally a view the list.
You then use checkboxes and tell it to go ahead.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update Problem


The update history on my computer doesn't seem to show the Defender update history and I know that there is a Defender update just about every day. Other Windows updates don't come that often and I only show three.


On 9/3/2017 7:49 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Yes that's what it ways every time. However when I check in the update history only three entries show up.

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 9:56 AM, Don H wrote:
Are you getting the result of your check for updates that your system is up to date?


On 9/3/2017 6:43 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Do you mean pressing that check for updates button. Well yes I have done that.

Thanks heaps for all the replies. I'm sure that between us we'll get to the bottom of this.

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 9:40 AM, Don H wrote:
Have you checked for updates manually?


On 9/3/2017 5:37 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Not getting any updates to my windows system through including Defender definition updates

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 8:21 AM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
What seems to be the issue?
Can you please provide more information?
When did the issue start?
What does it involve?


Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Andrea Sherry <sherryan@wideband.net.au> wrote:

I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea

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Re: Update Problem

Andrea Sherry
 

Using the Windows provided firewall.

Forcing an update check just tells me that my system is up to date.

Andrea

On 4/09/2017 7:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
If you force an update, what message is generated?

Do you have a third party firewall, maybe some silly security software installed by you ISP perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Sherry" <sherryan@wideband.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update Problem


Not getting any updates to my windows system through including Defender definition updates

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 8:21 AM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
What seems to be the issue?
Can you please provide more information?
When did the issue start?
What does it involve?


Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Andrea Sherry <sherryan@wideband.net.au> wrote:

I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea

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Re: lag when writing messages in thunderbird

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No its not the machine unless its very throttled back by power saving routines.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sally Kiebdaj" <fiddle.pup@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


I have also had big lags only in TB composition but with both NVDA and
Window-Eyes.

I am running Windows 7 pro on an i7 2.7GHrz processor with 16 GB of RAM. I
don't think the lag should be from a slow machine especially since it
doesn't impact programs like word or excel which can lag with lack of
processing power.

I have the service pack 1 for win 7 and haven't looked into other service
packs. Might that help?

Thoughts?
Sally

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io <
the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

tbird.


On 02/09/2017 10:26, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Is this the search in Windows or Tbird?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] lag when writing messages in thunderbird


Hi, I don't know if this will fix it or not, but I remember Jamey
posted something because tb was crashing but this was some years ago this
is his work and not mine. text below.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 01/09/2017 14:41, Jeffrey Shockley wrote:

Hello,
I have noticed this as well. Any solution to this problem would be
greatly appreciated. I don't know what is causing it. I'm using the latest
NVDA, Thunderbird, and windows 8.1 if that helps. I am glad it's not just
me noticing this. I thought my computer was going crazy or something. LOL
Thanks,
Jeffrey

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2017, at 11:49 PM, Lino Morales <linomorales001@gmail.com
<mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>> wrote:

Josh I;ve noticed this also.


On 8/31/2017 8:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:


When composing new emails and writing messages in mozilla thunderbird
I get significant lag when trying to edit and write messages. Is there a
way to change the cursor in thunderbird to a more responsive one?


Josh


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Re: Update Problem

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If you force an update, what message is generated?

Do you have a third party firewall, maybe some silly security software installed by you ISP perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrea Sherry" <sherryan@wideband.net.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update Problem


Not getting any updates to my windows system through including Defender definition updates

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 8:21 AM, Jessica D wrote:
Hi,
What seems to be the issue?
Can you please provide more information?
When did the issue start?
What does it involve?


Sent from my iPad

On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Andrea Sherry <sherryan@wideband.net.au> wrote:

I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea

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Re: Synths

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None of the 'real' Eloquence libraries now available are free. As I think somebody said, Sappi 4 Via Voice is similar but not exactly Eloquence and can still work, but a lot of people are spending their money as as a well as the old Eloquence if you buy a package you get other voices more suited to reading docs and this can be set up as a user profile so you can hear more comfortable readings while still retaining the quick and dirty access in menus etc.

There are now so many people talking about Eloquence, I've hived all these messages off into another folder. I'm beginning to think that people might be addicted to Eloquence, Next we will have rehab clinics to wean folk off of it! :-)
Brian

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From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <clgilland07@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Synths


I've changed the subject to better reflect. Hope that was OK.

I don't think Vocalizer is free either. Sorry.
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----- Original Message -----
From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence


vocilelizer the nvda version or the all computer of vocolizer please
or free free free voices not the ones u pay for I don't have the money


Re: Update Problem

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What sort of problem?
I think people might need a bit more details as to the actual issue. brain

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Update Problem


I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would like suggestions for a list I could consult please.

Andrea

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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I've never heard of it, is it like a source view on a web page, showing all the control stuff?
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Backstage view? Does anyone who's sighted know what that look like and
what's the point of it being their?


On 9/3/2017 3:43 PM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps it might be useful to discuss how to disable back stage view
in recent versions of Word. I don't use Word but I've seen comments
that appear reliable that turning off back stage view makes Word much
easier to use. This may not be directly related to ribbons but since
we are discussing ribbons this may be a helpful topic.
Brian
Thanks for the compliment of my ribbon material.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

In addition to Gene's material, which is great, I wrote the following
for my clients:

* Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard
<https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&;id=0B98uELZbPFnOTUI1dDhDaHpwTk0>

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Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

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But yours do not have this and mine do but they are both via groups.io
Thing is its not always the case. Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding how my name is shown here


I believe you can't, and that's probably a good thing. This way recipients
can tell the difference between emails sent directly by you and emails
resent by groups.io. In the latter case, the recipients must trust that
groups.io is faithfully relaying your emails. In this case, we probably
trust groups.io, but you might not trust other relayers, so it's good to
know who is doing the relaying.

On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io <
carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when I
write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I get
it to just display my name?


Thanks,


Noah





Re: Question Regarding how my name is shown here

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I have the same problem, but not always. its weird.
Brian

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Hi,


I write my messages to the group using thunderbird. I noticed that when I write a message, it Comes up as "Noah carver via groups.io". How do I get it to just display my name?


Thanks,


Noah



Re: Further Update Query

Andrea Sherry
 

I believe that it is something like 1073.

Andrea


On 4/09/2017 6:48 PM, Chris wrote:

What is the current build of windows you are running?

 

 

From: Andrea Sherry
Sent: 04 September 2017 02:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Further Update Query

 

Well the other thing that it would appear I have not been offered online

is that Creative update. Should this still apply me if I am using

Windows 10 pro?

 

Andrea

 

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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on the screen. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons, th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.


Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

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You can get a ribbon remover for Explorer in windows 10, but every major update it has to be reinstalled. Also some options still do not work as they did, ie setting all foolders to list view seems to have no option as there are now lots of different forms of folders and each seems to have to be configured alone which is mightly annoying.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


I use this PC to get to my stuff. I need to make myself learn the ribon. I've been ising WIN for 2 years and I've never made myself learn it.


On 9/3/2017 8:21 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes, 10 seems to be a bit clunky to me in Explorer and I was always looking for ways to make it streamlined and easier, but then of course, we are coming at It from a different angle to the majority of users. This is where the ribbon debate gets to be a real issue for us. It may have some sense if you can see the overview, but in our down the centre of a loo roll view its illogical, mixing as it does different objects we have come to put into different little categories in our minds.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Well to be honest I'd really like to see the updates as they were in 7 there is no problem with me updating but as a geek I want to read what I am updating first.

As for spying don't care that much every time you sign up to anything well.

Saying that, ms is supposed to be a user orientated thing now so if people want more control they should get it.

I'd actually like a way to control what desktop a user had.

Ie windows xp style shell, win7 style shell or win10 style shell.

I am sure thats not to hard.

I'd pick the 7 style shell however if I could pick bits and bobs that would be even better.

the xp style explorer works for me, the win7 style start menu works to, all the progress bars and other things as they used to be work well to.

But I do like the kernal of 10.




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The new version about to hit the internet I think, finally means you can even on the basic version of 10, stop all this forced updating and spying and advertising junk.
I doubt its been made that obvious, but so many have complained I think Microsoft had to include it as so many people were hacking the registry and screwing things up!

Brian

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Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Spying on you? You know you can privacy settings. Look into those before
you say stuff like this. They only entity I worry spying on me is our
shadow government here in the US, but that's off topic here.


On 9/1/2017 9:03 PM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
The only reason that I can think of of not upgrading to Windows 10 is
if you really don't want Microsoft to spy on you. But for not
upgrading to Windows 7? I can't think of any valid reasons...there are
second hand Windows 7 computers available at local department stores
at cheap prices. Even my desktop which I got in 2011 with 8GB of RAM
and 3.3GHZ Intel Core I5 costs less than 30000 Thai baht (might be
even less than 25000 Thai baht).
I still like XP though; it's the first OS that I remember using as a
child. I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up so that I can play
with it whenever I want, without damaging my actual computer.







Re: Making Partition Using NVDA

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That is clearly not true, as a friend of mine has done this, but he is sighted. He used partition magic and a special bit of code in the primary partition that allowed you to select which OS you booted. As there are only two and it always defaults to the same position, the fact that this does not speak is not an issue for blind use.
I'll need to ask him the trick.
I think it can have issues if there is already a hidden partition for recovery use as is often the case these days. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA


If there's a way to resize partitions with built in windows tools, I
sure never learned about it. The only way to make one partition two
partitions is to delete the existing partition, and create two of them,
which wipes out everything on the drive, and leaves you with two freshly
formatted partitions both of which will be completely blank. This is
fine if you don't care about the contents of your hard disk, but if
you're trying to simply split a single partition into two partitions,
then there aren't any ways to do this with just default windows utilities.


On 9/2/2017 11:41 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi, I don’t want to go with third party application. Built-in disk
management option can fulfil my requirement. My question is that How
to do this using NVDA?

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Unless you have a program that can resize partitions, you're not going
to be able to change your partitions without loosing
everything.Paragon has a couple programs that can do this, check out
http://paragon-software.com and take a look at their partition manager
or their hard disk manager depending on how much you want to do. Both
programs aren't 100 percent accessible, but they're close enough to
get the job done. If you're willing to help out, let me know, and
can give you my affiliate links, but if you just want to purchase the
programs, that's ok too.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi List,

Kindly someone guide me to make partition on C drive using NVDA.

I am using Del laptop with Win10 64 Bits. In this laptop all the
space is reserved for C drive. I want to make two partitions to
allocate my data.

Thanks In Advance

Raghu

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