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Re: Update Problem

Gene
 

Windows Defender is supposed to be very similar to Microsoft Security essentials.  Microsoft Security essentials has update settings in the program itself and the program shows when it is updating if you use screen review to look at the screen.  I don't know what time of day the program usually updates, if there is one.  Are you running the latest version of Windows 10 or an earlier version?  When was your last update?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Update Problem

The update history on my computer doesn't seem to show the Defender
update history and I know that there is a Defender update just about
every day.  Other Windows updates don't come that often and I only show
three.


On 9/3/2017 7:49 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
> Yes that's what it ways every time. However when I check in the update
> history only three entries show up.
>
> Andrea
>
>
> On 4/09/2017 9:56 AM, Don H wrote:
>> Are you getting the result of your check for updates that your system
>> is up to date?
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2017 6:43 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
>>> Do you mean pressing that check for updates button. Well yes I have
>>> done that.
>>>
>>> Thanks heaps for all the replies. I'm sure that between us we'll get
>>> to the bottom of this.
>>>
>>> Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/09/2017 9:40 AM, Don H wrote:
>>>> Have you checked for updates manually?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2017 5:37 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
>>>>> Not getting any updates to my windows system through including
>>>>> Defender definition updates
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/09/2017 8:21 AM, Jessica D wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> What seems to be the issue?
>>>>>> Can you please provide more information?
>>>>>> When did the issue start?
>>>>>> What does it involve?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 3, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Andrea Sherry
>>>>>>> <sherryan@...> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an update problem with Windows 10 pro 64 bit and would
>>>>>>> like suggestions for a list I could consult please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can
>>>>>>> start from now and make a brand new ending." - Carl Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well don't give up on Facebook. I'd write to them myself, but don't know where to go.

On 9/4/2017 11:24 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
As I noted on Win10 forum (not here) numerous times, the level of accessibility of universal apps depends on willingness from vendors to take accessibility seriously and commit to it. In other words, what matters now is attitudes, not just aptitude. Microsoft is a prime example of what happens when a company takes accessibility seriously, whereas Facebook is not (I myself have given up on accessibility of Facebook universal app; sending numerous advisories and attempts at talking to FB to take accessibility seriously didn't work). But attitudes from vendors is just part of the picture: attitudes from screen reader vendors is also important, as VFO customers are finding out the hard way these days, just as NVDA users did two years ago when support for Edge and universal apps was in infancy. As this month happens to be the second anniversary of Windows 10 App Essentials, I'll reaffirm my vow that, as long as Windows 10 ecosystem and universal apps live, I'll continue to provide new versions of this add-on (the next stable version is scheduled for tomorrow and it supports changes made to Windows Store in August via release preview ring).
By the way, apart from one or two issues, NVDA 2017.3 is ready for Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (the issues are inability to navigate emoji panel with synthesizers other than OneCore and not being able to adjust speech rate for this synthesizer just yet, both of which require using newer Windows SDK versions).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

Speaking of UWP apps Joseph needs to circulate his awesome post on making them accessible in WIN 10. We haven't made any progress in my opinion in the blindness coummity contacting MS. Facebook and FB Messenger being the 2 that once were.


On 9/4/2017 4:59 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use
find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the
old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic
point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas
thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named
universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars
to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on
the screen. Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons,
th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of
organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide
instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how
to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10
but this description should allow you to look through the Windows
ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows
that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places
in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see
more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.
If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is
the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you
either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example,
if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a
list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep,
hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list
or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through
the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing
enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you
press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other
options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be
displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method,
either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done
with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might
work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from
left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you
think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move
you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the
split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars
run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be
sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you
are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split
button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you
open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with
them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For
example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down
arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through
the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with
split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up
arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted
if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands
effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against
using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training
material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be
unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other
disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.
Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides
a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper
ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to
move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all
of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move
with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can
keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You
can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can
move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in
what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to
it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you
backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar
or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a
menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to
work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use
the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it
is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command
insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing
you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the
information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.
Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.
You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press
alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop
down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't
have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a
button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to
activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down
arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open
an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard
alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all
the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you
will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program
window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt
f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one
menu and you should look through it. Many important and common
commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I
mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure
some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to
the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you
would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes
you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.
Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward
through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the
items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as
you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a
category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool
bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in
the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab
until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in
the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar
ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a
menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use
regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize
items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to
help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v
for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward
from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When
you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.
Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized
by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what
is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are
mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear
them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find
them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the
program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program.
If you already know the commands from having used an older version of
the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will
work.







Re: weather plus update

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Yes.


On 9/4/2017 11:18 AM, Don H wrote:

So in your words I should ignore the dam dialog box that came up when I started NVDA that says I should go to the weather plus check for updates under add on manager.


On 9/4/2017 10:13 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Dan is right. Read the damn posts in full people!


On 9/4/2017 10:24 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

If you read all of his post you will see that you can't use that method to download it.  You have to use the links in his posting.


Dan Beaver


On 9/4/2017 10:21 AM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I get the same results!



On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.












Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

 

Hi,
As I noted on Win10 forum (not here) numerous times, the level of accessibility of universal apps depends on willingness from vendors to take accessibility seriously and commit to it. In other words, what matters now is attitudes, not just aptitude. Microsoft is a prime example of what happens when a company takes accessibility seriously, whereas Facebook is not (I myself have given up on accessibility of Facebook universal app; sending numerous advisories and attempts at talking to FB to take accessibility seriously didn't work). But attitudes from vendors is just part of the picture: attitudes from screen reader vendors is also important, as VFO customers are finding out the hard way these days, just as NVDA users did two years ago when support for Edge and universal apps was in infancy. As this month happens to be the second anniversary of Windows 10 App Essentials, I'll reaffirm my vow that, as long as Windows 10 ecosystem and universal apps live, I'll continue to provide new versions of this add-on (the next stable version is scheduled for tomorrow and it supports changes made to Windows Store in August via release preview ring).
By the way, apart from one or two issues, NVDA 2017.3 is ready for Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (the issues are inability to navigate emoji panel with synthesizers other than OneCore and not being able to adjust speech rate for this synthesizer just yet, both of which require using newer Windows SDK versions).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

Speaking of UWP apps Joseph needs to circulate his awesome post on making them accessible in WIN 10. We haven't made any progress in my opinion in the blindness coummity contacting MS. Facebook and FB Messenger being the 2 that once were.


On 9/4/2017 4:59 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use
find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the
old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic
point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas
thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named
universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars
to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on
the screen. Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons,
th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of
organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide
instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how
to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10
but this description should allow you to look through the Windows
ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows
that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places
in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see
more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.
If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is
the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you
either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example,
if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a
list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep,
hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list
or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through
the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing
enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you
press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other
options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be
displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method,
either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done
with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might
work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from
left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you
think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move
you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the
split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars
run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be
sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you
are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split
button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you
open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with
them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For
example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down
arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through
the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with
split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up
arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted
if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands
effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against
using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training
material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be
unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other
disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.
Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides
a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper
ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to
move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all
of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move
with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can
keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You
can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can
move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in
what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to
it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you
backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar
or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a
menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to
work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use
the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it
is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command
insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing
you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the
information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.
Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.
You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press
alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop
down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't
have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a
button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to
activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down
arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open
an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard
alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all
the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you
will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program
window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt
f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one
menu and you should look through it. Many important and common
commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I
mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure
some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to
the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you
would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes
you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.
Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward
through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the
items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as
you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a
category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool
bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in
the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab
until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in
the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar
ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a
menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use
regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize
items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to
help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v
for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward
from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When
you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.
Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized
by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what
is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are
mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear
them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find
them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the
program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program.
If you already know the commands from having used an older version of
the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will
work.




Re: weather plus update

Rob
 

Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
So in your words I should ignore the dam dialog box that came up when I
started NVDA that says I should go to the weather plus check for updates
under add on manager.

That's right. The original poster said that due to technical difficulties weatherplus could not self-update.


Re: weather plus update

Don H
 

So in your words I should ignore the dam dialog box that came up when I started NVDA that says I should go to the weather plus check for updates under add on manager.


On 9/4/2017 10:13 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Dan is right. Read the damn posts in full people!


On 9/4/2017 10:24 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

If you read all of his post you will see that you can't use that method to download it.  You have to use the links in his posting.


Dan Beaver


On 9/4/2017 10:21 AM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I get the same results!



On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.











Re: weather plus update

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Dan is right. Read the damn posts in full people!


On 9/4/2017 10:24 AM, Dan Beaver wrote:

If you read all of his post you will see that you can't use that method to download it.  You have to use the links in his posting.


Dan Beaver


On 9/4/2017 10:21 AM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I get the same results!



On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.










Re: weather plus update

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Um that's why you go to the URL's givin. The Itilian site changed.

On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.




Re: Weather Plus 4.5 update available

Antony Stone
 

I just tried a Google search for "NVDA weather addon"

Did you try that for yourself?

The first result was https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html

I hope that helps.


Antony.


On Monday 04 September 2017 at 17:01:22, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
wrote:

there is the add on I need the weather add on

On 9/4/17, Dr. arvind singh brar <arvindsinghbrar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello there,

I get thecan'g reach this page error when i try to download the weather
plus plugin
Is there something wrong with the link?
Thanks
Arvind

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On Sep 4, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:

Hi to every one,

Changes in this version 4.5:
* Added hotkey NVDA+shift+control+alt+w;
Open the Weather Plus settings dialog.
* Correct some English strings.
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
* Added 8 new check boxes;
It is now possible to further customize the output:
* wind direction.
* wind speed.
* Perceived temperature.
* Humidity value.
* Visibility value.
* Atmospheric pressure value.
* Indicates the atmospheric pressure in millimeters of mercury (mmHg).
* State of the barometric pressure.

Weather Plus normally can able to update itself, however, your installed
version can't do it because the download link on italian page for
technical reasons
is changed.
you must download it from direct download:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
Thanks

Cheers
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Re: Weather Plus 4.5 update available

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodinaka@...>
 

there is the add on I need the weather add on

On 9/4/17, Dr. arvind singh brar <arvindsinghbrar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello there,

I get thecan'g reach this page error when i try to download the weather plus
plugin
Is there something wrong with the link?
Thanks
Arvind

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.

On Sep 4, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
<adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:

Hi to every one,

Changes in this version 4.5:
* Added hotkey NVDA+shift+control+alt+w;
Open the Weather Plus settings dialog.
* Correct some English strings.
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
* Added 8 new check boxes;
It is now possible to further customize the output:
* wind direction.
* wind speed.
* Perceived temperature.
* Humidity value.
* Visibility value.
* Atmospheric pressure value.
* Indicates the atmospheric pressure in millimeters of mercury (mmHg).
* State of the barometric pressure.

Weather Plus normally can able to update itself, however, your installed
version can't do it because the download link on italian page for
technical reasons
is changed.
you must download it from direct download:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
Thanks

Cheers
Adriano





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Re: Weather Plus 4.5 update available

 

Hello there,

I get thecan'g reach this page error when i try to download the weather plus plugin
Is there something wrong with the link?
Thanks
Arvind

This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.

On Sep 4, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io <adrianobarb=yahoo.it@groups.io> wrote:

Hi to every one,

Changes in this version 4.5:
* Added hotkey NVDA+shift+control+alt+w;
Open the Weather Plus settings dialog.
* Correct some English strings.
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
* Added 8 new check boxes;
It is now possible to further customize the output:
* wind direction.
* wind speed.
* Perceived temperature.
* Humidity value.
* Visibility value.
* Atmospheric pressure value.
* Indicates the atmospheric pressure in millimeters of mercury (mmHg).
* State of the barometric pressure.

Weather Plus normally can able to update itself, however, your installed
version can't do it because the download link on italian page for technical reasons
is changed.
you must download it from direct download:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
Thanks

Cheers
Adriano




Re: weather plus update

Dan Beaver
 

If you read all of his post you will see that you can't use that method to download it.  You have to use the links in his posting.


Dan Beaver


On 9/4/2017 10:21 AM, Rich De Steno wrote:
I get the same results!



On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.









Re: weather plus update

Rich De Steno <ironrock@...>
 

I get the same results!

On 9/4/2017 10:20 AM, Don H wrote:
When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.




--
Rich De Steno


weather plus update

Don H
 

When I go to the weather plus check for updates I enter on yes to download the update.  The next screen that comes up shows the name of the download and a button to download.  If I hit enter on that download button I get a dialog box saying download cancelled. Several retries gets the same result.


Re: email and nvda

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Outlook 2016 and it has just been reinstalled since I reset my computer. This has made the problem worse.

I thought this list was only for NVDA? Since that is the only screen reader I own and use, that is why I asked on this list.
Cindy

On September 4, 2017 7:24:10 AM "Lino Morales" <linomorales001@...> wrote:

Mozilla Thunderbird is great. If you want less bells and whistles the built in Mail app in Windows 10 should work for you. What version of MS Office are you running? What screen reader do you use? Maybe Office needs to be uninstalled then reinstalled again.


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy



Re: email and nvda

slery <slerythema@...>
 

HOW do you do this in win mail?




On September 4, 2017 5:24:26 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Most allow this but seem to slow down the more you open and getting between
them can often be a bit of a fuddle.

Brian

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From: "slery" <slerythema@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


How do you open multiple folders?


On September 3, 2017 10:38:35 PM "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Have you tried the Mail app in windows 10?
It works quite well with NvDA.

On Sep 3, 2017, at 10:20 PM, slery <slerythema@gmail.com> wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with
NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a
second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same
window).
Cindy



Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

It seems to work when NVDA is not running. Will do more testing and try
narrator as someone suggested.


On September 4, 2017 5:35:41 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Look back for Sakina's message about Outlook 2003 also stopping for no
apparent reason. I am wondering if this is a Microsoft issue, not an nvda
one concerning something in Office. Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 5:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016


I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@gmail.com>
wrote:

Well I am having the same trouble and I don't know where this could
be coming from I would also like to know now when I use the screen
reader that


comes with Windows outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
trouble. On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to
restart
it. This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2. I'm
not
saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the
interaction
between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it
whichh
causes it. I doubt MS would do anything to solve it, so I just avoid
using that keystroke.

Cheers#

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Hi everyone,

I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.

Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of
time
almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice
the
problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates
the
message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still
persisting.

I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing
the
problem.

Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced
that
from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?


I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than
JAWS!

All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie

















Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Antony Stone
 

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will
open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the
difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA, which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?
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getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things work with that screen reader?

 

 

 

 


Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Mohamed
 

Interestingly, NVDA seems to report them differently depending on how you come across the character. For example, if you enter a new line and erase it in Notepad, it gets reported as "Line feed", but arrowing to it results in "Carriage return". Is it possible that Windows may be reporting it differently depending on the case?

On 9/4/2017 8:24 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Yes, there is a difference between the two, and it matters when sending files
between different types of computers.

Windows uses simply Carriage Return (hex code 0d) to indicate end of line.

Macintosh computers used to use just Line Feed (hex code 0a); I don't know
whether this changed when they migrated from MacOS to OSX.

Linux and Unix computers use both together, so the hex code is 0d 0a, to
indicate end of line.

The reason for the two codes is historical - teletypes and printers used one
code to mean "return the print head to the start of the line" (that's Carriage
Return), and the other to mean "move the paper up one line" (that's line
feed).

This made it possible to print a line, return to the start without moving the
paper, and then print again over the top of the first line, used for creating
bold print, composite characters, etc.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 12:56:22, Mohamed wrote:

Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time,
NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to
indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder
if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.