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Re: one core voices

Quentin Christensen
 

OneCore voices are only available in Windows 10.  If you have Windows 10 then you can add new voices by:
1. Press the WINDOWS key to open the start menu
2. Start typing "Region and language".
3. When "Region and language settings" come up as a system settings option, press ENTER.
4. On this screen, you can add new languages, and for languages you already have installed, you can add a speech pack (if not already installed) - tab to the first language, arrow through the languages you have installed, press ENTER on one, tab to "Options" and enter on that to go into its options).



On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
how do I get 1cor voices what is the key comboNation

On 9/4/17, Lubos Pintes <lubos.pintes@...> wrote:
> This is a known bug and could be fixed in NVDA master.
>
>
> Dňa 4. 9. 2017 o 0:20 Don H napísal(a):
>>
>> I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings.  I guess the
>> lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single
>> letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the
>> icon you are moving to.  For example at the desktop I hit the letter n
>> and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes
>> longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi don
>>>
>>>
>>> At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda
>>> to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there
>>> is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> there is a work around for the moment which works.
>>>
>>>
>>> In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it
>>> came up with some results.
>>>
>>> it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings,
>>> System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.
>>>
>>>
>>> When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i
>>> chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys to
>>> do this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then close it the screen i mean.
>>>
>>>
>>> You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
>>>> Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my syn
>>>> I have been using the access
>>>>
>>>> 32 syn with NVDA.  I have tried the One Core  David voice but find
>>>> it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn.  Of course David
>>>> sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there
>>>> a way to change how the one core voices perform?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Help With Eloquence

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodinaka@...>
 

witch voices are free or witch I need money

On 9/4/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
I havn't looked and if they are old they may not work but I have traced
round for things like winlame and to be honest what I thought was dead
did have an update and is still about.




On 4/09/2017 9:23 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What about the old Mbrela voices? I wonder if those things are still
around?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence


Free voices.

Well you are restricted to the following.

1. the nvda extra voices page has festival, and pico and a few other
things.

2. the speachhub project I think its speachhup.org but I forget thats
got a few.

Thirdly the ms voices, sapi4 are free they are round ms site.

4. While not exactly free if you email enablerehab@... and get
the dectalk sapi voices and just pay a couple bucks or whatever you
can
spare you will get some voices the volumes are not that great but
well.

Ofcause the other way I'd go is if you can get some cash, watch out
for
voice pack sales, I got the inoetics voices for a sale early on.

The voices at atguys.com are in packs to.

There is flite if you can find it, its worse than espeak but its
about.




On 4/09/2017 3:44 a.m., mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> any free sites for voices? I don't have any money
>
> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
>> Have you looked at any of the following sites?
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
>>
>>
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/high-quality-voices-available-for-nvda/
>>
>> http://www.acapela-nvda.com/
>>
>> I found them all using a Google search for "NVDA voices".
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 16:55:46, mr. Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum
>> Oguledo
>> wrote:
>>
>>> any voices for free I am now using espeak bilt by NVDA y e speak
np
>>> nop no ivonna or hi tech voices. I will not say there name. I will
not
>>> brack the code. but I hat ihate I hate e speak
>>>
>>> On 9/3/17, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
>>>> go here to get the voices for NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20&zenid=85ea
>>>> 007d48eb24d89f88d60f78838cbd
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2017 9:39 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>>>>> if I want it both for free where do I go &if I need to pay how
much
>>>>> are there both caust
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...> wrote:
>>>>>> How you can understand clearly what he is saying? It's not
entirely
>>>>>> clear to me so far... ;)
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I had to say it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 03/09/2017 a las 10:57, Gene escribió:
>>>>>>> you have repeatedly said that the trial has run out and that
you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> the voices forever. Whether you realize it or not, you are
asking
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get the ssoftware illegally. If the owners of the software
wanted
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to have it for free, they wouldn't charge anything and the
software
>>>>>>> wouldn't time out. Now that I have explained this, I will hold
you
>>>>>>> strictly responsible for not requesting illegal software.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> *From:* mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>> <mailto:ochikodinaka@...>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:51 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not trying2brake the law. that's is y I need the email
address
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the lady hoos needs the help with voices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well you can't get them for free legally and if you keep up
this
>>>>>>> nonsense,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> requesting free illegal software on list, I will put you on
>>>>>>>> moderated
>>>>>>>> status. You have been told specifically by me, a list
moderator,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> perhaps by other members in other messages that it is not
allowed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> illegal software on list. If you don't follow this rule, you
will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> moderated for at least one week, probably two or three. You
have
>>>>>>>> been clearly told not to discuss illegal software on list and
you
>>>>>>>> blatantly ignore that request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene, Moderator
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> y? do u need to pay for vocilizly and eti jaws?eleiqwence I
need
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> both for free and for ever
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:antony.stone@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read the email you are replying to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It contains the email address you are asking for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact it contains it twice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 15:02:09, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>>> Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> off list I need your emailAddress so we can gist off list
about
>>>>>>>>>> eliqwence and vocializer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> He wrote his email address in the message you just replied
to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 14:37:58, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oguledo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> please please please
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your email address please so we we we can gist
about
>>>>>>> vocalizer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> &e t I eleqwence off off this list
>>>>>>>>>>>> my free trial expired I wont to keep it for ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/17, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those voices come with a free trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 05:29, chris judge
>>>>>>> <chrisjudge1967@... <mailto:chrisjudge1967@...>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Write me off list re eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrisjudge1967@...
<mailto:Chrisjudge1967@...>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: August 28, 2017 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a free tom or somethah for nvda not payed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one is the $59 one that donates a part of the
cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I got the price wrong but this company donates
a
>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of eloquence to the nvda company. I should add
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google for it but by now lost the link in my over 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history items I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept for about 7 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <knitqueen2007@...
<mailto:knitqueen2007@...>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to pay for that one. You can't get it
illegally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I did. but I need the add on to eliqwence for
NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is readey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't use the jaws eloquence voice because it's
tied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:01 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need the link 2the jaws add on for NVDA hq please
or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices/addpns for nvda NVDA is my favorit favorit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creenreader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@...
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjonsson1986@...>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open nvda menu insert+n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 times down Arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a submenu called codefactory There should
it be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Från: Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please don't leave the group when you don't want to
get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Every time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe
and
>>>>>>> send a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, the first message you send has to be
approved.
>>>>>>> Every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new member has to have his first message approved.
This
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting list administrators can't change. It is a
>>>>>>> setting set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the entire list serve administrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please go nomail so that every time you want to
start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail and discuss something, the first message you
send
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be approved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While messages are generally approved quickly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonbly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly, you may wait many hours perhaps six or
eight if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neeither the owner or I look at the list because we
are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleeping. To go nomail, send a blank message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resume receiving mail as individual messages,
send a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+single@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will resume single delivery if you have gone
nomail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and
run it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after installing the add on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as
I
>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Code Factory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots
of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should. You can
get a
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that version as well. If you have problems finding
it,
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should get you the information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ibrahim Ajayi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence
>>>>>>> expressive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial
version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The program has been properly installed, and I've
gone
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the settings. But I cannot find the program in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-menu of NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can anyone help me understand what could have
gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I didn't do properly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try
try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
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>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently renders them relatively incompetent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Daniel C Dennett
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please
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>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>>>>> CC
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>>>>>>>>>>> me.
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>>>>>>>>> we'd be so simple that we couldn't.
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>> me.
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Re: one core voices

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodinaka@...>
 

how do I get 1cor voices what is the key comboNation

On 9/4/17, Lubos Pintes <lubos.pintes@...> wrote:
This is a known bug and could be fixed in NVDA master.


Dňa 4. 9. 2017 o 0:20 Don H napísal(a):

I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings.  I guess the
lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single
letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the
icon you are moving to.  For example at the desktop I hit the letter n
and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes
longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.


On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi don


At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda
to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there
is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.


there is a work around for the moment which works.


In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it
came up with some results.

it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings,
System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.


When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i
chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys to
do this.


Then close it the screen i mean.


You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.


Gene nz



On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my syn
I have been using the access

32 syn with NVDA.  I have tried the One Core  David voice but find
it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn.  Of course David
sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there
a way to change how the one core voices perform?





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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene
 

I meant what I said, that I read mail as plain text because it is safer.  I don't know if reading mail as html exposes the user to much risk but plain text is safer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene,

Did you mean to write “I read mail in HTML as it is the safe way to read mail?”

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 

 

I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 

 

Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Possibly, but not all.

On September 4, 2017 6:02:29 PM "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@...> wrote:

If I do a reset will have to reinstall any of my programs


On 9/4/2017 5:28 PM, slery wrote:
If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep
your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you
choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren
Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before
installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work
and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I
get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver
for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes
its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the
problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the
screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five
computers.
Cindy


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<bglists@...> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new
version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Gene,

Did you mean to write “I read mail in HTML as it is the safe way to read mail?”

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 

 

I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 

 

Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Gene
 

I didn't say anything about Outlook Express.  I wanted to be clear about how important having multiple folders opened simultaneously is because niether Thunderbird nor Windows Live Mail allows this.  I really doubt the Windows Mail App in Windows 10 does either.  It might be useful to know if your problem is one of the problems that Outlook and NVDA have when used in combination.  There have been problems discussed here recently where, when people tried JAWS with Outlook, the problems didn't occur but they do with NVDA.  Perhaps list members know about another accessible program that allows you to have more than one folder opened at a time.  If you are using Windows 10 and if you want multiple folders opened and you don't have JAWS, you might want to try Narrator with the program.  I don't have Windows 10 and I don't know how well Narrator works with the program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I routinely have four folders open all day long. Two of the folders stay the same all day and two change throughout the day. These are all from the same account. I do not want the other accounts mixed as I check them at different times.

I have used Outlook and NOT Outlook express for years and I am not looking for something with less functionality.
Cindy

On September 4, 2017 12:04:16 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I routinely have four folders open all day long. Two of the folders stay the same all day and two change throughout the day. These are all from the same account. I do not want the other accounts mixed as I check them at different times.

I have used Outlook and NOT Outlook express for years and I am not looking for something with less functionality.
Cindy

On September 4, 2017 12:04:16 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

Quentin Christensen
 

Also, if you are used to using F12 to save as, you can also use control+f12 to directly open an open dialog.  If you check "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files", in the "Save" options, you can use control+o to open or control+s to save (a previously unsaved file).

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Alt F A has been around in programs at least as far back as Windows 95.  I noted with interest, when I learned about ribbons, that the ribbon menu was set up to preserve this command.  I don't use Word so I can't evaluate Back Stage View. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 09:39 am, Gene wrote:
If that is so, it would at least be useful, from what I've read, for blind users to know how to either stop it from coming up when saving files or how to dismiss it efficiently when it does come up.
Gene, the link I gave includes the information about how you can keep backstage view from coming up when you use CTRL+O to open a file or F12 to Save As.  That's the most one can do.

I've been teaching folks how to use the File tab, as it comes (which is the backstage view), for years now and it does not seem to be problematic.  It's a matter, in many cases, of resistance to change.  I cannot believe I am still hearing rants about the ribbon interface more than 10 years after its introduction.  It isn't going away and it is up to end users, sighted or blind, to learn how to use it effectively whether they like it or not (and, for the record, I preferred menus myself).

It is my custom to teach keyboard shortcuts for pretty much any commonly used function in any given Office program.  Alt+F, followed by the correct character for Save (S), Save As (A), Open (O), etc., etc., etc., hasn't changed in a very long time and is, if memory serves, unchanged from the era of the File Menu, but I could be wrong about that.  Since Word 2003 was the last version that used menus it's now not even in the mists of my memory.  I've gotta keep up and try my darndest to do so.

By the way, none of the above is aimed at you, personally, but is a broad observation.  I would hope that doesn't even need to be said, but just in case.


 
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Re: office365

Darren Tomblin
 

If I do a reset will have to reinstall any of my programs

On 9/4/2017 5:28 PM, slery wrote:
If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

you're slightly incorrect in your end of line character assignment.

The original mac os (prior to OSX used carriage return (ascii 13, hex 0D).  Unix uses (and always has) linefeed (ascii 10, hex 0A), and windows/dos uses both (though generally, windows only reports the carriage return, if you use a hex editor, you will see both are present).

Hope this clears up any confusion.

On 9/4/2017 8:24 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Yes, there is a difference between the two, and it matters when sending files
between different types of computers.

Windows uses simply Carriage Return (hex code 0d) to indicate end of line.

Macintosh computers used to use just Line Feed (hex code 0a); I don't know
whether this changed when they migrated from MacOS to OSX.

Linux and Unix computers use both together, so the hex code is 0d 0a, to
indicate end of line.

The reason for the two codes is historical - teletypes and printers used one
code to mean "return the print head to the start of the line" (that's Carriage
Return), and the other to mean "move the paper up one line" (that's line
feed).

This made it possible to print a line, return to the start without moving the
paper, and then print again over the top of the first line, used for creating
bold print, composite characters, etc.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 12:56:22, Mohamed wrote:

Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time,
NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to
indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder
if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.


Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

In dos (and most of the time windows) an end of line is denoted by a carriage return and a line feed one after the other (ascii 13/ascii10).  On unix type environments (including linux) it's generally just a line feed (ascii 10) that is the end of line character.  Older mac versions used just a carriage return, so it was always hit or miss as to which end of line character(s) you'd get when you picked up a text file that was cross platform.  This still happens sometimes (especially when working with languages like python, java or ruby, who are mostly cross platform). Different editors handle the end of line characters differently, though most windows editors just ignore line feeds, and treat them just like another unprintable character, which is why when opening a file created on a unix system, it all appears to be on a single line in a windows editor.  There are some editors that automatically convert line endings based on which os you're using to load the file (pico/nano does this), as does a custom editor I use sometimes when coding, but in general, on windows, the carriage return is considered the end of line character (though it still contains the carriage return and line feed pairs)

No idea why this is done (pretending the linefeed character doesn't exist, for simplicity I guess), but nonetheless, if you have a good editor, it will handle the end of line characters properly.  If you don't, then it will leave it all on a single line, and you'll need to add the carriage returns yourself.

On 9/4/2017 6:56 AM, Mohamed wrote:
Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time, NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.



Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

--
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Re: Making Partition Using NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Partition magic is *not* (I repeat) partition magic is *not* a windows tool.  Therefore, your statements are erroneous. Microsoft does not include partition magic with windows, so that makes it neither free, nor is it part of windows (which is what the original poster was asking for.

On 9/4/2017 4:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That is clearly not true, as a friend of mine has done this, but he is sighted. He used partition magic and a special bit of code in the primary partition that allowed you to select which OS you booted. As there are only two and it always defaults to the same position, the fact that this does not speak is not an issue for  blind use.
I'll need to ask him the trick.
I think it can have issues if there is already a hidden partition for recovery use as is often the case these days. Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA


If there's a way to resize partitions with built in windows tools, I
sure never learned about it. The only way to make one partition two
partitions is to delete the existing partition, and create two of them,
which wipes out everything on the drive, and leaves you with two freshly
formatted partitions both of which will be completely blank. This is
fine if you don't care about the contents of your hard disk, but if
you're trying to simply split a single partition into two partitions,
then there aren't any ways to do this with just default windows utilities.


On 9/2/2017 11:41 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi, I don’t want to go with third party application. Built-in disk
management option can fulfil my requirement. My question is that How
to do this using NVDA?

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*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA

Unless you have a program that can resize partitions, you're not going
to be able to change your partitions without loosing
everything.Paragon has a couple programs that can do this, check out
http://paragon-software.com and take a look at their partition manager
or their hard disk manager depending on how much you want to do. Both
programs aren't 100 percent accessible, but they're close enough to
get the job done. If you're willing to help out, let me know, and
can give you my affiliate links, but if you just want to purchase the
programs, that's ok too.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

    Hi List,

    Kindly someone guide me to make partition on C drive using NVDA.

    I am using Del laptop with Win10 64 Bits. In this laptop all the
    space is reserved for C drive. I want to make two partitions to
    allocate my data.

    Thanks In Advance

    Raghu

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I don't think you really can.

On 9/4/2017 4:21 PM, Casey wrote:
Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?


Re: turning of speech in an application or program

Mohamed
 

Or z, if you're on the laptop layout.


On 9/4/2017 2:38 PM, Monte Single wrote:

Yes,  ins, shift, s.

That’s it.

Thanks

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: September-04-17 12:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] turning of speech in an application or program

 

NVDA key + shift + S will toggle sleep mode on/off, and, NVDA key + S cycles through speech modes - think that's a default option/keystroke.

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017/09/04 20:06, Monte Single wrote:

I thought the key combo to turn off speech in an application was;

Control+shift+insert

 

What is the correct combo?

Thanks,

Monte

 



Re: Further Update Query

 


On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:52 am, Lino Morales wrote:
She had no UpgradeAssistant on her desktop.
Upgrade Assistant is not on your desktop.  You go to the Windows 10 Download Page, and activate the Update Now button to trigger the Update Assistant as I mentioned earlier.

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene
 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 
 
I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 
 
Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Antony Stone
 

Aha :)

I now understand the distinction, but I'll have to defer to someone else here
who uses Outlook who may be able to answer your question - I don't use
Outlook, so I'm sorry but I can't tell you how to do this with NVDA.

Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 22:21:03, Casey wrote:

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message
and moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it
will open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's
the difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which "deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:
Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will
go on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?
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Re: office365

Darren Tomblin
 

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before
installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't
work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window
eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the
latest driver for my graphics card.  also if I have someone look at my
screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on
it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all
current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick with
it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it was from
2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some compatibility
problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper to have both out
look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists@...> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old adage, if
its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for old may be
alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new bits and indeed
whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years ago
it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since reading
some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the store. thanks

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