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Re: email and nvda

 

Well you can have different profiles and accounts though it has come to my attention that with all the issues in office of late that for all its cracked up to be ms is using a vary slow and clunky cloud engine and it doesn't work so well.

Thunderbird, firefox, etc use the chrome engine which uses the chromium engine which is well fast.

The only thing that is no good is lightning but windows calendar app is fine for that.

On 5/09/2017 4:13 a.m., Gene wrote:
As far as I know, Thunderbird doesn't have identities. Also, it is my impression that identities are considered obsolete and aren't generally used in what are considered modern e-mail programs. Windows Live Mail doesn't use them, I doubt Thunderbird does, I've never seen any evidence that it does, and we'll see what others say about other programs.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


Can you open several folders and leave them open and just go between them?
Also how can one do identities on Tbird, to make it work like Outlook
express so you know which email account is replying to an email.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 5:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


thunderbird works a treat. It's a bit slow at times (especially if you
have thousands and thousands of messages), but otherwise, it works just
fine with NVDA, and I've been using it for just about a year now without
any major problems.



On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:
I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a
second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the
same window).

Cindy




Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

 

I don't mind a voice system.

But yeah the days when the command interface was king, where we were responsible for our own actions.

Where when you screwed up you screwed up and that was final.

Now you don't have to screw up to screw up, you can do something wrong and have a nice brick, but you didn't know what you did.

A reformat will make your brick work a good reformat makes it work.

But you don't know and will never know what you did unless you catch yourself doing it.

I do like the level I have now and I do like voice but if you want to well do as you used to do you have to really want to its not in front of you now.

I am happy I was born when the old systems still stand.

I have users which can't opperate without voice or in fact can't dream of using a normal old style system.

Then I have family that while they may use a tablet every day need a mouse for everything.

On 5/09/2017 4:10 a.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I'm not so much scared of it, and maybe this is a discussion for another place, but what is actually going on is fragmentation. The voice control and dictation systems are in danger of making users dumb down, and those of us who want to do more than normal stuff are being written out of the script, IE them blindies can now use they voice to do internet shopping etc, why should they need accessible apps?
If you get my drift. its the old Disabled are inconvenient thing all over again, of course it never really went away, its just not been possible before to hive us off with our own system.
Sad if it does go this way.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


What really scares me is that ms lost the battle for action centre on antivirus notifications.

I agree you can bypass things however in an accessibility viewpoint laws asside now ms has lost its basically opened the door for people to put in their own notifications or inaccessible changes and all they need to prove is that it mucks up how things should work.

I know this may be a bit dumb especially with how we progressed but back in the day expensive that it was we had our software and equipment and the sighted had our's.

We progressed up and up till win10 and now I am not sure.

Look at symbian, look at win7 look at win xp 98 and lower, look at dos.

It used to be simple for us, and while I know going back really isn't an option with all the changes going on with tech and the sighted winning, a bit of me is screaming give up and go back to the way it used to be before you get something that will never work.

Its not rational I know that but as all these new things go on getting inaccessible and up and down and such that part is getting louder and louder.

I used to be ready for the future, now I am scared of it.




On 4/09/2017 8:59 p.m., Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on the screen. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons, th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10 but this description should allow you to look through the Windows ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows. If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example, if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep, hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method, either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad. Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the ribbons. Move in one
direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one menu and you should look through it. Many important and common commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc. Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing. Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs
that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work.







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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

 

Well to be honest who knows even when adobe and others put the basic standards in its a hit and miss thing.

And sadly its what is holding us blind people back.

I shouldn't be thinking windows xp is better or dos is better, or my old blindy product has been better.

But I am.

And to be honest I doubt vary much that we can actually make companies change at all we are just to small.

They have to want to from office to security companies,etc.

I still use a lot of 32 bit desktop apps.

But I am a home user.

I don't need ms office or business software I have a budget antivirus program, a scanner and video conversion suite which did cost a lot and a midrange audio editer come cd ripper as well as a audio decoder for dvds.

I have a few games, and then the rest is opensource or freeware,.

I don't need much in the way of accessible software, most of my stuff is simple.

We can't even get the simple stuff sometimes to work let alone the universals.

One thing I'd like to see is some sort of blindy spaciffic windows shell or something that just works without all the bells on it.

On 5/09/2017 3:24 a.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
As I noted on Win10 forum (not here) numerous times, the level of accessibility of universal apps depends on willingness from vendors to take accessibility seriously and commit to it. In other words, what matters now is attitudes, not just aptitude. Microsoft is a prime example of what happens when a company takes accessibility seriously, whereas Facebook is not (I myself have given up on accessibility of Facebook universal app; sending numerous advisories and attempts at talking to FB to take accessibility seriously didn't work). But attitudes from vendors is just part of the picture: attitudes from screen reader vendors is also important, as VFO customers are finding out the hard way these days, just as NVDA users did two years ago when support for Edge and universal apps was in infancy. As this month happens to be the second anniversary of Windows 10 App Essentials, I'll reaffirm my vow that, as long as Windows 10 ecosystem and universal apps live, I'll continue to provide new versions of this add-on (the next stable version is scheduled for tomorrow and it supports changes made to Windows Store in August via release preview ring).
By the way, apart from one or two issues, NVDA 2017.3 is ready for Windows 10 Fall Creators Update (the issues are inability to navigate emoji panel with synthesizers other than OneCore and not being able to adjust speech rate for this synthesizer just yet, both of which require using newer Windows SDK versions).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

Speaking of UWP apps Joseph needs to circulate his awesome post on making them accessible in WIN 10. We haven't made any progress in my opinion in the blindness coummity contacting MS. Facebook and FB Messenger being the 2 that once were.


On 9/4/2017 4:59 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I know I read it, but to be honest. its a concept issue. Some of use
find the logic hard to actually get into our motor memory, whereas the
old sort of menus worked as each was obviously the same from the logic
point of view. but I'm not going to start a ribbon vs other ideas
thread of annoyance here. Far more worrying are these badly named
universal apps where it seems almost anything goes from no menu bars
to some and with buttons dumped any old place for no good reason on
the screen. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions


Regardless of all the doom and gloom you hear all over about ribbons,
th3ey are nothing more than a different and perfectly logical way of
organizing programs. Here is a tutorial I wrote to provide
instruction in learning ribbons. it appears below my signature.

Gene

I'll provide a brief tutorial based on what I wrote years ago of how
to work with ribbons.

I've added a little to it here.

I don't know how the organization of Windows has changed in Windows 10
but this description should allow you to look through the Windows
ribbons, or any other ribbons, and see how things are organized.

First, I'll discuss a structure found in later versions of Windows
that you need to know about-- the split button.
One thing you will see as you look around ribbons and in other places
in Windows are split buttons. A split button often allows you to see
more options than just the default action. Let's take an example.
Let's say you come across a split button that says shut down Windows.
If you press enter on that button, Windows will shut down. That is
the default action. Split buttons often show more options if you
either right arrow while on the button or down arrow. As an example,
if you are on the shut down split button, you can right arrow and a
list of options will open. the items in the list include sleep,
hibernate, restart, and others. You up or down arrow through the list
or use the short cut commands you hear announced as you move through
the list. the letter shortcuts often take actions without pressing
enter so be careful when using them, just as you are in menus.

So, let's review. You find a split button that says shut down. If you
press enter, the computer will shut down. If you right arrow, other
options may be displayed. Or if you down arrow, other options may be
displayed. A split button won't work with both methods. One method,
either right arrowing or down arrowing will do so if it can be done
with the button. Try both methods if you don't know which one might
work. If you are on a tool bar which extends across the screen from
left to right, down arrowing will open additional options. If you
think about this, it makes sense. If you are in a menu, down arrowing
will move you to the next item in the menu. So you right arrow on the
split button to cause it to display more options. In a tool bar that
extends across the screen from left to right, right arrowing will move
you to the next item in the tool bar. So you down arrow when on the
split button to cause it to display more options. But some tool bars
run up and down the screen, as menus do. And at times, you may not be
sure which way a structure extends on screen. So, as I said, if you
are not sure or don't know, try both methods of causing the split
button to display more options. Often, one of them will work. If you
open the options a split button offers and don't want to work with
them, arrow in the opposite direction to move out of them. For
example, if you right arrowed to open more options, left arrow.
Some split buttons don't do anything when you right arrow or down
arrow. In that case, open them with alt down arrow. Then tab through
the additional options. I've almost never worked in this way with
split buttons but if you want to close a split button, try alt up
arrow if you've used alt down arrow to open it.

Now, to ribbons themselves.

Regarding ribbons, much of the complaining about them is not warranted
if you understand how they work and how to use short cut commands
effectively and efficiently. and I would strongly recommend against
using the JAWS virtual menus, no matter what the JAWS training
material says about ribbons being difficult to use. the training
material is just plain wrong and using virtual menus, you will be
unnecessarily dependent on one screen-reader. There are other
disadvantages to using them which I won't go into here.

Try looking at ribbons and doing what is described below in wordpad.
Everyone with Windows 7 has Wordpad on their machine. Wordpad provides
a good environment to look at and practice working with ribbons.

The essence of working with ribbons is this:
Press alt to move to the upper ribbon.
You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper
ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc.
To see what ribbons are available, right or left arrow repeatedly to
move through the ribbons. Move in one direction to move through all
of them, just as you would to move through all the menus.

For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move
with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can
keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You
can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can
move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite
direction.

Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in
what is called the lower ribbon that are in the view ribbon.

In other words you tab to see the items in a ribbon once you move to
it. Tab moves you forward through the items, shift tab moves you
backword.
So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.

Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar
or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a
menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu.

Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to
work with that item.
But JAWS has a bug and you often won't. To hear the short cut, use
the command JAWS key tab. If you are using the default JAWS key, it
is either insert.

Try tabbing to an item in a Wordpad ribbon and using the command
insert tab. You will hear some extraneous information. The last thing
you will hear is the short cut sequence. You can repeat the
information by repeating the command as often as you want.

Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu.
Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons.
You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press
alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt.
Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu.
You will hear application menu and then something like button drop
down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't
have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a
button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to
activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down
arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open
an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard
alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all
the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you
will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program
window, you open the menu as you always did, alt f, then type a. Alt
f opens the menau and a then opens save as. Ribbon programs have one
menu and you should look through it. Many important and common
commands and interfaces such as options may be there. By options, I
mean the kind of options interface you used to find in the tools menu.

Now the we have seen the menu, let's look at the ribbons structure
some more.
To review, and add more information, as you have seen, you can move to
the ribbon interface with alt. Then right and left arrow, just as you
would move from menu to menu.
You can also move to a ribbon using alt and a letter. So, alt h takes
you to the home ribbon. Alt v takes you to the view ribbon, etc.
Once you are on the ribbon you want to work with, tab to move forward
through the items in a ribbon. Shift tab to move back through the
items. So tab and shift tab are used instead of up and down arrow.
Ribbons are divided into categories which you will hear announced as
you tab. for example, in an e-mail program, a ribbon may have a
category named respond. You may hear this announced as respond tool
bar. As you tab, you will hear commands such as reply and forward in
the respond category. When you hear a category announced, don't tab
until you hear everything spoken. You will miss the first command in
the category if you do. I'm talking about working with an unfamiliar
ribbon.
there are often many more commands and items in a ribbon than in a
menu. So memorize command sequences for items you know you will use
regularly.
As I said, there are different categories in ribbons to help organize
items. You can quickly jump from category to category in a ribbon to
help you see if there is a category you want to look through.
Move to a ribbon in Wordpad. For example, alt h for hhome or alt v
for view.
Then repeatedly issue the command control right arrow to move forward
from category to category and control left arrow to move back. When
you get to a category you want to hear the items in, start tabbing.
Of course, you can shift tab to move back.

Open a ribbon in Wordpad and tab through it to see how it is organized
by moving through it.
Then use control right arrow to move by category and tab to see what
is in a category.

Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are
mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear
them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find
them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the
program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program.
If you already know the commands from having used an older version of
the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will
work.







.


Re: one core voices

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

You can't get one-core voices unless you're on windows 10.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] one core voices

how do I get 1cor voices what is the key comboNation

On 9/4/17, Lubos Pintes <lubos.pintes@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a known bug and could be fixed in NVDA master.


Dňa 4. 9. 2017 o 0:20 Don H napísal(a):

I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings. I guess the
lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single
letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the
icon you are moving to. For example at the desktop I hit the letter
n and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes
longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.


On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi don


At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda
to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there
is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.


there is a work around for the moment which works.


In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it
came up with some results.

it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings,
System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.


When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i
chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys
to do this.


Then close it the screen i mean.


You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.


Gene nz



On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my
syn I have been using the access

32 syn with NVDA. I have tried the One Core David voice but find
it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn. Of course David
sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there
a way to change how the one core voices perform?





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Re: email and nvda

 

I can confirm the same issue, outlook doesn't seem to want to read the first top level of messages but it will read messages once opened, the window is maximised, and I have the latest office update.

Also if you try to get at folders office may or may not become unresponsive.

For me its not a big issue as I don't use it its my dad's however its a pain when checking, and using narator produces the same results so its probably an office issue but who knows.

On 4/09/2017 11:24 p.m., Lino Morales wrote:
Mozilla Thunderbird is great. If you want less bells and whistles the built in Mail app in Windows 10 should work for you. What version of MS Office are you running? What screen reader do you use? Maybe Office needs to be uninstalled then reinstalled again.


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy


Re: one core voices

Quentin Christensen
 

OneCore voices are only available in Windows 10.  If you have Windows 10 then you can add new voices by:
1. Press the WINDOWS key to open the start menu
2. Start typing "Region and language".
3. When "Region and language settings" come up as a system settings option, press ENTER.
4. On this screen, you can add new languages, and for languages you already have installed, you can add a speech pack (if not already installed) - tab to the first language, arrow through the languages you have installed, press ENTER on one, tab to "Options" and enter on that to go into its options).



On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 12:49 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo <ochikodinaka@...> wrote:
how do I get 1cor voices what is the key comboNation

On 9/4/17, Lubos Pintes <lubos.pintes@...> wrote:
> This is a known bug and could be fixed in NVDA master.
>
>
> Dňa 4. 9. 2017 o 0:20 Don H napísal(a):
>>
>> I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings.  I guess the
>> lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single
>> letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the
>> icon you are moving to.  For example at the desktop I hit the letter n
>> and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes
>> longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi don
>>>
>>>
>>> At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda
>>> to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there
>>> is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> there is a work around for the moment which works.
>>>
>>>
>>> In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it
>>> came up with some results.
>>>
>>> it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings,
>>> System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.
>>>
>>>
>>> When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i
>>> chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys to
>>> do this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Then close it the screen i mean.
>>>
>>>
>>> You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene nz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
>>>> Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my syn
>>>> I have been using the access
>>>>
>>>> 32 syn with NVDA.  I have tried the One Core  David voice but find
>>>> it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn.  Of course David
>>>> sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there
>>>> a way to change how the one core voices perform?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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Re: Help With Eloquence

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

witch voices are free or witch I need money

On 9/4/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I havn't looked and if they are old they may not work but I have traced
round for things like winlame and to be honest what I thought was dead
did have an update and is still about.




On 4/09/2017 9:23 a.m., Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What about the old Mbrela voices? I wonder if those things are still
around?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Everiss
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence


Free voices.

Well you are restricted to the following.

1. the nvda extra voices page has festival, and pico and a few other
things.

2. the speachhub project I think its speachhup.org but I forget thats
got a few.

Thirdly the ms voices, sapi4 are free they are round ms site.

4. While not exactly free if you email enablerehab@gmail.com and get
the dectalk sapi voices and just pay a couple bucks or whatever you
can
spare you will get some voices the volumes are not that great but
well.

Ofcause the other way I'd go is if you can get some cash, watch out
for
voice pack sales, I got the inoetics voices for a sale early on.

The voices at atguys.com are in packs to.

There is flite if you can find it, its worse than espeak but its
about.




On 4/09/2017 3:44 a.m., mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
> any free sites for voices? I don't have any money
>
> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
>> Have you looked at any of the following sites?
>>
>> https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices
>>
>>
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/high-quality-voices-available-for-nvda/
>>
>> http://www.acapela-nvda.com/
>>
>> I found them all using a Google search for "NVDA voices".
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 16:55:46, mr. Chikodinaka
Nickarandidum
>> Oguledo
>> wrote:
>>
>>> any voices for free I am now using espeak bilt by NVDA y e speak
np
>>> nop no ivonna or hi tech voices. I will not say there name. I will
not
>>> brack the code. but I hat ihate I hate e speak
>>>
>>> On 9/3/17, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
>>>> go here to get the voices for NVDA.
>>>>
>>>>
http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&;cPath=20&zenid=85ea
>>>> 007d48eb24d89f88d60f78838cbd
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2017 9:39 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo wrote:
>>>>> if I want it both for free where do I go &if I need to pay how
much
>>>>> are there both caust
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/17, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How you can understand clearly what he is saying? It's not
entirely
>>>>>> clear to me so far... ;)
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I had to say it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El 03/09/2017 a las 10:57, Gene escribió:
>>>>>>> you have repeatedly said that the trial has run out and that
you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> the voices forever. Whether you realize it or not, you are
asking
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get the ssoftware illegally. If the owners of the software
wanted
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> to have it for free, they wouldn't charge anything and the
software
>>>>>>> wouldn't time out. Now that I have explained this, I will hold
you
>>>>>>> strictly responsible for not requesting illegal software.
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> *From:* mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>> <mailto:ochikodinaka@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:51 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not trying2brake the law. that's is y I need the email
address
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the lady hoos needs the help with voices
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Well you can't get them for free legally and if you keep up
this
>>>>>>> nonsense,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> requesting free illegal software on list, I will put you on
>>>>>>>> moderated
>>>>>>>> status. You have been told specifically by me, a list
moderator,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> perhaps by other members in other messages that it is not
allowed
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> illegal software on list. If you don't follow this rule, you
will
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> moderated for at least one week, probably two or three. You
have
>>>>>>>> been clearly told not to discuss illegal software on list and
you
>>>>>>>> blatantly ignore that request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene, Moderator
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 8:28 AM
>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> y? do u need to pay for vocilizly and eti jaws?eleiqwence I
need
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> both for free and for ever
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it
>>>>>>> <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Read the email you are replying to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It contains the email address you are asking for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact it contains it twice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 15:02:09, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>>> Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> off list I need your emailAddress so we can gist off list
about
>>>>>>>>>> eliqwence and vocializer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/3/17, Antony Stone wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> He wrote his email address in the message you just replied
to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Antony.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 03 September 2017 at 14:37:58, mr. Chikodinaka
>>>>>>> Nickarandidum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oguledo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> please please please
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need your email address please so we we we can gist
about
>>>>>>> vocalizer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> &e t I eleqwence off off this list
>>>>>>>>>>>> my free trial expired I wont to keep it for ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/17, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, those voices come with a free trial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2017, at 05:29, chris judge
>>>>>>> <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com <mailto:chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Write me off list re eloquence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chrisjudge1967@gmail.com
<mailto:Chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: August 28, 2017 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is there a free tom or somethah for nvda not payed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/17, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:marrie12@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which one is the $59 one that donates a part of the
cost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I got the price wrong but this company donates
a
>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the cost of eloquence to the nvda company. I should add
I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> google for it but by now lost the link in my over 200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history items I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kept for about 7 years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take care all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2017, at 5:23 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <knitqueen2007@gmail.com
<mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to pay for that one. You can't get it
illegally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 3:00 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes I did. but I need the add on to eliqwence for
NVDA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is readey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, Rosemarie Chavarria
<knitqueen2007@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:knitqueen2007@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't use the jaws eloquence voice because it's
tied
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of mr.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2017 5:01 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need the link 2the jaws add on for NVDA hq please
or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voices/addpns for nvda NVDA is my favorit favorit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creenreader
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/17, mattias <mjonsson1986@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:mjonsson1986@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open nvda menu insert+n
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 times down Arrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is a submenu called codefactory There should
it be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickades från E-post för Windows 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Från: Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skickat: den 27 augusti 2017 09:54
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ämne: Re: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please don't leave the group when you don't want to
get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Every time you unsubscribe, when you subscribe
and
>>>>>>> send a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message, the first message you send has to be
approved.
>>>>>>> Every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new member has to have his first message approved.
This
>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setting list administrators can't change. It is a
>>>>>>> setting set
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the entire list serve administrator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please go nomail so that every time you want to
start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail and discuss something, the first message you
send
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be approved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While messages are generally approved quickly or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonbly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly, you may wait many hours perhaps six or
eight if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neeither the owner or I look at the list because we
are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sleeping. To go nomail, send a blank message to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To resume receiving mail as individual messages,
send a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to nvda+single@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>>> <mailto:nvda+single@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That will resume single delivery if you have gone
nomail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding your problem, did you shut down NVDA and
run it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after installing the add on?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, do you know about the SAPI5 Eloquence from, as
I
>>>>>>> recall
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Code Factory?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The eloquence in the add on you are trying has lots
of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The SAPI 5 Eloquence sounds as it should. You can
get a
>>>>>>> demo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that version as well. If you have problems finding
it,
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should get you the information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ibrahim Ajayi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nvda] Help With Eloquence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just installed a copy of codefactory elequence
>>>>>>> expressive
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on for NVDA, and I am starting with the trial
version.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The program has been properly installed, and I've
gone
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the settings. But I cannot find the program in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> synthesiser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sub-menu of NVDA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please can anyone help me understand what could have
gone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I didn't do properly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try
try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try
try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try
try try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> It is also possible that putting the birds in a laboratory
>>>>>>>>>>> setting
>>>>>>>>>>> inadvertently renders them relatively incompetent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> - Daniel C Dennett
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please
reply
>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>>>>> *don't*
>>>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> If the human brain were so simple that we could understand
it,
>>>>>>>>> we'd be so simple that we couldn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please
reply
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> list;
>>>>>>>>> please *don't*
>>>>>>>>> CC
>>>>>>>>> me.
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Re: one core voices

mr. Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
 

how do I get 1cor voices what is the key comboNation

On 9/4/17, Lubos Pintes <lubos.pintes@gmail.com> wrote:
This is a known bug and could be fixed in NVDA master.


Dňa 4. 9. 2017 o 0:20 Don H napísal(a):

I can increase the rate within ghe NVDA voice setings.  I guess the
lag I am talking about is when you are at the desktop and use single
letter navagation there is a lag before you get the voicing of the
icon you are moving to.  For example at the desktop I hit the letter n
and it moves me to the NVDA icon but the David one core voice takes
longer to say NVDA versus how long it takes Access32 to say NVDA.


On 9/3/2017 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi don


At present you can not ajust the speed through the settings in nvda
to speed up the windows one core voices. from what i have read there
is a update from windows which will fix this if i read it correct.


there is a work around for the moment which works.


In windows 10 in the search box i typed text to speech and then it
came up with some results.

it cam up with the following result Change text-to-speech settings,
System settings of which i pressed the enter key on.


When the next screen came up it defaults to my one core voice i
chose. Tab to the rate and change it there just use the arrow keys to
do this.


Then close it the screen i mean.


You will notice now in nvda he will be speaking quicker.


Gene nz



On 04/09/2017 08:58, Don H wrote:
Having used Window Eyes for some 20 years with decaccess32 as my syn
I have been using the access

32 syn with NVDA.  I have tried the One Core  David voice but find
it has some lag as compared to the access32 syn.  Of course David
sounds more natural and Access32 is more robotic sounding. Is there
a way to change how the one core voices perform?





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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene
 

I meant what I said, that I read mail as plain text because it is safer.  I don't know if reading mail as html exposes the user to much risk but plain text is safer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Gene,

Did you mean to write “I read mail in HTML as it is the safe way to read mail?”

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 

 

I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 

 

Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Possibly, but not all.

On September 4, 2017 6:02:29 PM "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com> wrote:

If I do a reset will have to reinstall any of my programs


On 9/4/2017 5:28 PM, slery wrote:
If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep
your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you
choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren
Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before
installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work
and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I
get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver
for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes
its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the
problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the
screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five
computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new
version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Gene,

Did you mean to write “I read mail in HTML as it is the safe way to read mail?”

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 

 

I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 

 

Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Gene
 

I didn't say anything about Outlook Express.  I wanted to be clear about how important having multiple folders opened simultaneously is because niether Thunderbird nor Windows Live Mail allows this.  I really doubt the Windows Mail App in Windows 10 does either.  It might be useful to know if your problem is one of the problems that Outlook and NVDA have when used in combination.  There have been problems discussed here recently where, when people tried JAWS with Outlook, the problems didn't occur but they do with NVDA.  Perhaps list members know about another accessible program that allows you to have more than one folder opened at a time.  If you are using Windows 10 and if you want multiple folders opened and you don't have JAWS, you might want to try Narrator with the program.  I don't have Windows 10 and I don't know how well Narrator works with the program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I routinely have four folders open all day long. Two of the folders stay the same all day and two change throughout the day. These are all from the same account. I do not want the other accounts mixed as I check them at different times.

I have used Outlook and NOT Outlook express for years and I am not looking for something with less functionality.
Cindy

On September 4, 2017 12:04:16 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

slery <slerythema@...>
 

I routinely have four folders open all day long. Two of the folders stay the same all day and two change throughout the day. These are all from the same account. I do not want the other accounts mixed as I check them at different times.

I have used Outlook and NOT Outlook express for years and I am not looking for something with less functionality.
Cindy

On September 4, 2017 12:04:16 PM "Gene" <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





Re: Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

Quentin Christensen
 

Also, if you are used to using F12 to save as, you can also use control+f12 to directly open an open dialog.  If you check "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files", in the "Save" options, you can use control+o to open or control+s to save (a previously unsaved file).

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:19 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Alt F A has been around in programs at least as far back as Windows 95.  I noted with interest, when I learned about ribbons, that the ribbon menu was set up to preserve this command.  I don't use Word so I can't evaluate Back Stage View. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Backstage View in MS-Word 2010 & Later

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 09:39 am, Gene wrote:
If that is so, it would at least be useful, from what I've read, for blind users to know how to either stop it from coming up when saving files or how to dismiss it efficiently when it does come up.
Gene, the link I gave includes the information about how you can keep backstage view from coming up when you use CTRL+O to open a file or F12 to Save As.  That's the most one can do.

I've been teaching folks how to use the File tab, as it comes (which is the backstage view), for years now and it does not seem to be problematic.  It's a matter, in many cases, of resistance to change.  I cannot believe I am still hearing rants about the ribbon interface more than 10 years after its introduction.  It isn't going away and it is up to end users, sighted or blind, to learn how to use it effectively whether they like it or not (and, for the record, I preferred menus myself).

It is my custom to teach keyboard shortcuts for pretty much any commonly used function in any given Office program.  Alt+F, followed by the correct character for Save (S), Save As (A), Open (O), etc., etc., etc., hasn't changed in a very long time and is, if memory serves, unchanged from the era of the File Menu, but I could be wrong about that.  Since Word 2003 was the last version that used menus it's now not even in the mists of my memory.  I've gotta keep up and try my darndest to do so.

By the way, none of the above is aimed at you, personally, but is a broad observation.  I would hope that doesn't even need to be said, but just in case.


 
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Re: office365

Darren Tomblin
 

If I do a reset will have to reinstall any of my programs

On 9/4/2017 5:28 PM, slery wrote:
If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

you're slightly incorrect in your end of line character assignment.

The original mac os (prior to OSX used carriage return (ascii 13, hex 0D).  Unix uses (and always has) linefeed (ascii 10, hex 0A), and windows/dos uses both (though generally, windows only reports the carriage return, if you use a hex editor, you will see both are present).

Hope this clears up any confusion.

On 9/4/2017 8:24 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Yes, there is a difference between the two, and it matters when sending files
between different types of computers.

Windows uses simply Carriage Return (hex code 0d) to indicate end of line.

Macintosh computers used to use just Line Feed (hex code 0a); I don't know
whether this changed when they migrated from MacOS to OSX.

Linux and Unix computers use both together, so the hex code is 0d 0a, to
indicate end of line.

The reason for the two codes is historical - teletypes and printers used one
code to mean "return the print head to the start of the line" (that's Carriage
Return), and the other to mean "move the paper up one line" (that's line
feed).

This made it possible to print a line, return to the start without moving the
paper, and then print again over the top of the first line, used for creating
bold print, composite characters, etc.


Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 12:56:22, Mohamed wrote:

Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time,
NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to
indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder
if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.


Re: question about carriage returns vs line feeds in NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

In dos (and most of the time windows) an end of line is denoted by a carriage return and a line feed one after the other (ascii 13/ascii10).  On unix type environments (including linux) it's generally just a line feed (ascii 10) that is the end of line character.  Older mac versions used just a carriage return, so it was always hit or miss as to which end of line character(s) you'd get when you picked up a text file that was cross platform.  This still happens sometimes (especially when working with languages like python, java or ruby, who are mostly cross platform). Different editors handle the end of line characters differently, though most windows editors just ignore line feeds, and treat them just like another unprintable character, which is why when opening a file created on a unix system, it all appears to be on a single line in a windows editor.  There are some editors that automatically convert line endings based on which os you're using to load the file (pico/nano does this), as does a custom editor I use sometimes when coding, but in general, on windows, the carriage return is considered the end of line character (though it still contains the carriage return and line feed pairs)

No idea why this is done (pretending the linefeed character doesn't exist, for simplicity I guess), but nonetheless, if you have a good editor, it will handle the end of line characters properly.  If you don't, then it will leave it all on a single line, and you'll need to add the carriage returns yourself.

On 9/4/2017 6:56 AM, Mohamed wrote:
Hi, I noticed that, depending on the text editor in use at the time, NVDA will sometimes say either "carriage return" or "Line feed" to indicate new lines. Since they seem to serve similar purposes, I wonder if there is actually a difference between the two?
Thanks.



Re: office365

slery <slerythema@...>
 

If you can get the machine to start up, I would do a reset. It will keep your files and most of your programs but run better (make sure that you choose the option to keep your settings and files).

Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Darren Tomblin
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] office365

I got it installed but i'm having another problem. it started before installing it. something keeps getting corrupted. my alt tab doesn't work and the start menu won't come up and if I switch to jaws or window eyes I get an error about the display. I checked and i'm running the latest driver for my graphics card. also if I have someone look at my screen sometimes its either blue or black with just the mouse pointer on it. if I reboot the problem goes away. i'm running windows10 with all current updates on the screen readers. does anyone know how to fix this.
thanks

On 9/4/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:
I agree. Since your version is not very old, I would personally stick
with it until it no longer works for you. When I made the switch, it
was from 2002. I was having issues that all seemed to go back to some
compatibility problems. We chose 365 this time because it was cheaper
to have both out look and access plus the ability to install on up to five computers.
Cindy


On August 15, 2017 3:38:00 AM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

Why do you want to install the new product? To be honest the old
adage, if its not broken don't fix it comes to mind. New lamps for
old may be alluring, but ask yourself if you will use any of the new
bits and indeed whether you want to tie yourself into paid updates of a new version.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] office365


Hi, I have a couple questions. when I bought my laptop several years
ago it came with office 2007 i'm thinking about unistalling it and
putting
office365 on it. I was wondering if this would break nvda since
reading some posts on here. where do I go to install 365 is in the
store. thanks

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Re: Making Partition Using NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Partition magic is *not* (I repeat) partition magic is *not* a windows tool.  Therefore, your statements are erroneous. Microsoft does not include partition magic with windows, so that makes it neither free, nor is it part of windows (which is what the original poster was asking for.

On 9/4/2017 4:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That is clearly not true, as a friend of mine has done this, but he is sighted. He used partition magic and a special bit of code in the primary partition that allowed you to select which OS you booted. As there are only two and it always defaults to the same position, the fact that this does not speak is not an issue for  blind use.
I'll need to ask him the trick.
I think it can have issues if there is already a hidden partition for recovery use as is often the case these days. Brian

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Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making Partition Using NVDA


If there's a way to resize partitions with built in windows tools, I
sure never learned about it. The only way to make one partition two
partitions is to delete the existing partition, and create two of them,
which wipes out everything on the drive, and leaves you with two freshly
formatted partitions both of which will be completely blank. This is
fine if you don't care about the contents of your hard disk, but if
you're trying to simply split a single partition into two partitions,
then there aren't any ways to do this with just default windows utilities.


On 9/2/2017 11:41 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

Hi, I don’t want to go with third party application. Built-in disk
management option can fulfil my requirement. My question is that How
to do this using NVDA?

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Unless you have a program that can resize partitions, you're not going
to be able to change your partitions without loosing
everything.Paragon has a couple programs that can do this, check out
http://paragon-software.com and take a look at their partition manager
or their hard disk manager depending on how much you want to do. Both
programs aren't 100 percent accessible, but they're close enough to
get the job done. If you're willing to help out, let me know, and
can give you my affiliate links, but if you just want to purchase the
programs, that's ok too.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, Raghavendra Janivarada wrote:

    Hi List,

    Kindly someone guide me to make partition on C drive using NVDA.

    I am using Del laptop with Win10 64 Bits. In this laptop all the
    space is reserved for C drive. I want to make two partitions to
    allocate my data.

    Thanks In Advance

    Raghu

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Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Lino Morales
 

I don't think you really can.

On 9/4/2017 4:21 PM, Casey wrote:
Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here. You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.

I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on to the next message.

Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
read.

But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
down arrow to read the next message.

Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
work with that screen reader?