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Re: email and nvda

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Brian, it is okay to want things the way we want them (can't always get
it). But we shouldn't have to do things only one way just because we are
blind. I have run into that so many times since becoming blind. Blind
people are supposed to use jaws, an iPhone, not do more than one thing at a
time and have alarm clocks with roosters.
Keep asking for what you want.
Cindy


On September 5, 2017 3:33:37 PM "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

What I want from an email client is the exact opposite of both of you.
I want to have an email account or accounts in a little walled garden so I
do not see unwanted accounts and only collect mail when I move from one
walled garden to the next one, ie as Outlook express does it. I have my
reasons for wanting it this way, and seemingly nobody thinks its a good
idea. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


What's the reason for having multiple folders open at the same time?
Thunderbird tells you when you get new mail, and which account it was
for, at that point, you can easily go back to the folder list, and
select the one you want to read, open it, then go to the message list
and there you are. I have 3 accounts in my current thunderbird, and I
never need more than one folder at a time open. When I want to read
mail from the other folders, it's a simple matter to navigate to it and
open it in the folder list. I'm not sure what benefit you would derive
from having them open all the time (other than eating memory and cpu
cycles).


On 9/5/2017 3:04 PM, slery wrote:

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but
I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open
at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou"
<cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything
you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with
NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open
a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within
the same window).

Cindy





Re: getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

Pascal Lambert
 

Thanks for clarifying.

Blessings

Pascal

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

I meant what I said, that I read mail as plain text because it is safer.  I don't know if reading mail as html exposes the user to much risk but plain text is safer.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:50 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Gene,

Did you mean to write “I read mail in HTML as it is the safe way to read mail?”

Thanks

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Are you reading mail as plain text or as HTML?  NVDA has a feature called automatic read on page load.  It is in the browse mode settings.  But it is checked by default.  I don't read mail as HTML because that is the safest way to read it.  No malicious code can run.  But I just found out today from a message from someone, I believe on another List, that Thunderbird has an HTML setting that shows mail as HTML but doesn't allow any code to run. 

 

I don't know what program you are using, but, as I've said before, there are times when simply getting in the habit of executing a command can save you time and trouble.  When I do a search on an Internet page, I issue the read current line command after I do the search to avoid reading of extraneous text.  After a little while, it's second nature.  I read mail in plain text in my e-mail program.  I've been using the read to end command after I move to a new message for years.  It's second nature. 

 

Screen-readers take a way of displaying information that isn't intended for use with screen-readers and makes the information accessible.  At times, something isn't going to work perfectly.  Computer operating systems aren't made by blind people and screen-readers work remarkably well with them.  Take it or leave it, my advice, based on nineteen or twenty years of experience with Windows is that you will save a lot of trouble if you adopt such procedures when they are minimal, as I've been describing and not spend time and trouble being a perfectionist about how this or this minor problem should work in a perfect world.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Casey

Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when using NVDA

 

Hi sorry about that.
When I am using Jaws and delete the message I am currently reading.
It will open the next one and read it right away.
Now when I use NVDA and delete the message that I am reading.
And it will open the next one but I have to hit the NVDA key and down arrow
then it will read the message.
So I hope that clears that up.
How do I make NVDA do what Jaws does when reading and deleting A message and
moving on to the next message and having it read it?




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2017 8:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] getting messages to automatically read in outlook when
using NVDA

I'm not quite sure what the problem is here.  You say that with JAWS:

"I can open a message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
on
to the next message".

I assume you mean it's deleted the first message as well.

Then you say that with NVDA:

"I can do this it will delete the message that I just read, but then it will

open the next one"

You then say you have to use NVDA-down to actually read that message.

Maybe it's just because of the different wording you've used, but what's the

difference between JAWS, which "goes on to the next message", and NVDA,
which
"deletes the message you just read and then opens the next one"?

To me these things sound the same.


Antony.

On Monday 04 September 2017 at 15:39:23, Casey wrote:

> Hi when I am using Jaws and the latest version of outlook.
>
> I can open A message and then read it and hit control delete and I will go
> on to the next message.
>
> Now if I use NVDA I can do this it will delete the message that I just
> read.
>
> But then it will open the next on and I will have to use the NVDA key and
> down arrow to read the next message.
>
> Can you get an add on that will fix that or is that just the way things
> work with that screen reader?

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Re: email and nvda

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Well, again, I'm not sure why just navigating to them is a problem, but for what it's worth, you can have multiple folders open, I just opened a second account, and I can now control-tab between my two folder lists, two messages that are open, and this email (currently being written).  I don't think thunderbird cares how many folders you open, but as I said, each one you open uses additional memory and cpu, but if it works for you, have at it.



On 9/5/2017 3:34 PM, slery wrote:

FYI the multiple folders that I use are all from one email account they are not from different email accounts I obviously do not use my email the way that you do I prefer to have certain folders open throughout the day as I use them that way that is why I need to have multiple folders open at the same time because it is how I work
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 3:13:46 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

What's the reason for having multiple folders open at the same time? Thunderbird tells you when you get new mail, and which account it was for, at that point, you can easily go back to the folder list, and select the one you want to read, open it, then go to the message list and there you are.  I have 3 accounts in my current thunderbird, and I never need more than one folder at a time open.  When I want to read mail from the other folders, it's a simple matter to navigate to it and open it in the folder list.  I'm not sure what benefit you would derive from having them open all the time (other than eating memory and cpu cycles).


On 9/5/2017 3:04 PM, slery wrote:

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy




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deleting column labels in XL

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

I used shift-inserHi:

If I have a spreadsheet and I want NVDA to anounce the column titles,
I go to the row where the column titles are and press insert-shift-c.
That works fine, but what if I change my mind and put the column
titles on another row. How do I delete the anouncement of those
column titles so I can make NVDA anounce the new column titles?

Kevin Huber


Re: email and nvda

slery <slerythema@...>
 

FYI the multiple folders that I use are all from one email account they are not from different email accounts I obviously do not use my email the way that you do I prefer to have certain folders open throughout the day as I use them that way that is why I need to have multiple folders open at the same time because it is how I work
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 3:13:46 PM "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...> wrote:

What's the reason for having multiple folders open at the same time? Thunderbird tells you when you get new mail, and which account it was for, at that point, you can easily go back to the folder list, and select the one you want to read, open it, then go to the message list and there you are.  I have 3 accounts in my current thunderbird, and I never need more than one folder at a time open.  When I want to read mail from the other folders, it's a simple matter to navigate to it and open it in the folder list.  I'm not sure what benefit you would derive from having them open all the time (other than eating memory and cpu cycles).


On 9/5/2017 3:04 PM, slery wrote:

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy




Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: email and nvda

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What I want from an email client is the exact opposite of both of you.
I want to have an email account or accounts in a little walled garden so I do not see unwanted accounts and only collect mail when I move from one walled garden to the next one, ie as Outlook express does it. I have my reasons for wanting it this way, and seemingly nobody thinks its a good idea. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda


What's the reason for having multiple folders open at the same time?
Thunderbird tells you when you get new mail, and which account it was
for, at that point, you can easily go back to the folder list, and
select the one you want to read, open it, then go to the message list
and there you are. I have 3 accounts in my current thunderbird, and I
never need more than one folder at a time open. When I want to read
mail from the other folders, it's a simple matter to navigate to it and
open it in the folder list. I'm not sure what benefit you would derive
from having them open all the time (other than eating memory and cpu
cycles).


On 9/5/2017 3:04 PM, slery wrote:

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but
I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open
at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou"
<cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything
you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with
NVDA).

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open
multiple folders at the same time

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open
a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within
the same window).

Cindy



Re: email and nvda

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

What's the reason for having multiple folders open at the same time? Thunderbird tells you when you get new mail, and which account it was for, at that point, you can easily go back to the folder list, and select the one you want to read, open it, then go to the message list and there you are.  I have 3 accounts in my current thunderbird, and I never need more than one folder at a time open.  When I want to read mail from the other folders, it's a simple matter to navigate to it and open it in the folder list.  I'm not sure what benefit you would derive from having them open all the time (other than eating memory and cpu cycles).


On 9/5/2017 3:04 PM, slery wrote:

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy




Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: email and nvda

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Can you please tell me how to open multiple folders?

I have not had a chance to install it since I started this thread but I am getting mixed messages as to whether I can have four folders open at the same time.
Cindy

On September 5, 2017 12:39:27 PM "Tony Ballou" <cyberpro224@...> wrote:

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy



Re: NVDA constantly repeating icons on the desktop

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

No if these are normal icons then it should not be doing it. Has the machine got a mouse attached or one of those pesky touch pads or a little joystick in the keyboard as seen on some laptops. I've had those suddenly do silly things and move the mouse about for no good reason.
if it worked ok before the update there has been no changes that should make any difference to the desktop that I can think of.
What happens if you tab to other parts of the screen like the start button does it drag focus away to the desktop again?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA constantly repeating icons on the desktop


Hi
Is it a bug? How can it be fixed? It’s really annoying.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I get this repeating after returning from sleep mode where NVDA keeps repeating the name associated with the icon that happens to have focus.


On 9/5/2017 12:16 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No that is not normal unless the image is constantly being redrawn.
That seems an unlikely event.
I had something like this once in XP with aa clever special icon that had a timer inside it but apart from that not seen it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA constantly repeating icons on the desktop


Hi,

I'm having an interesting issue with NVDA 2017.3.

When on my desktop, if I don't move, NVDA constantly repeats the name of the
icon that currently has focus.

Is this normal?





Can anyone tell me how to fix it?



Thanks,

Jessica










NVDA Remote Add-on problem

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I’m using Windows 10 Home premium 1703, NVDA 2017.3, Remote add-on V2.0.  I can successfully connect computers but I cannot get the disconnect option on the NVDA menu to work.  Anyone else had this problem?  I have to restart NVDA to force a disconnect.

 

Cheers

Chris  


Re: NVDA constantly repeating icons on the desktop

Jessica D
 

Hi
Is it a bug? How can it be fixed? It’s really annoying.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 5, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I get this repeating after returning from sleep mode where NVDA keeps repeating the name associated with the icon that happens to have focus.


On 9/5/2017 12:16 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No that is not normal unless the image is constantly being redrawn.
That seems an unlikely event.
I had something like this once in XP with aa clever special icon that had a timer inside it but apart from that not seen it.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica D" <jldail13@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA constantly repeating icons on the desktop


Hi,

I'm having an interesting issue with NVDA 2017.3.

When on my desktop, if I don't move, NVDA constantly repeats the name of the
icon that currently has focus.

Is this normal?





Can anyone tell me how to fix it?



Thanks,

Jessica










Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Sarah k Alawami
 

No it does not, but that's another mail program that  can open more than one view or se of folders at the same time.  Someone asked why you would want to do that, that's why and that's how I do said task. Thunder bird might be able to do this maybe not. I don't use mail on windows, hate it.

Take care

On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know anything about Apple Mail.  Is it just an apple program or does it have a Windows version?
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I use apple mail and sometimes I have 5 views each with different folders open as often I forget what I'm doing or I'm at work doing my small business. It's cool but a resource hog if you are not careful.
On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to    restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>







Re: weather plus addon

Don H
 

I am using Google Chrome.  I tried downloading other add ons and everything went fine.  Only the Weather Plus is causing the problem.  I did use Firefox and tried to get the weather plus add on and it worked fine.  So I am having some wierd issue with Chrome and the weather plus add on.


On 9/5/2017 12:59 PM, Gene wrote:
What browser are you using?  your browser is evidently opening the file in the browser instead of downloading it.  Do you have other browsers on the machine?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon

When I try this link I get a page that starts with the following lines
and seems to be several pages long.

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On 9/5/2017 12:21 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
>
> Rui
>
> -----Mensagem Original----- De: Brian Vogel
> Data: 5 de setembro de 2017 17:15
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon
>
> All "official" NVDA add-ons, including Weather Plus, can be found on
> this page:  https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html






Re: weather plus addon

Gene
 

What browser are you using?  your browser is evidently opening the file in the browser instead of downloading it.  Do you have other browsers on the machine?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon

When I try this link I get a page that starts with the following lines
and seems to be several pages long.

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On 9/5/2017 12:21 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
> Hi!
>
> http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.5.nvda-addon
>
> Rui
>
> -----Mensagem Original----- De: Brian Vogel
> Data: 5 de setembro de 2017 17:15
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon
>
> All "official" NVDA add-ons, including Weather Plus, can be found on
> this page:  https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html





Re: [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

Gene
 

I don't know anything about Apple Mail.  Is it just an apple program or does it have a Windows version?
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I use apple mail and sometimes I have 5 views each with different folders open as often I forget what I'm doing or I'm at work doing my small business. It's cool but a resource hog if you are not careful.
On Sep 4, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

How important is opening multiple folders?  To my knowledge, I've never used a program that allows me to have to, three, or more folders opened.  Many e-mail programs allow you to see all messages aggregated from the same folder in different accounts.  For example, if you want to see all inbox messages from every inbox folder in your machine and you have three accounts, there is an aggregate folder that shows all inbox messages in one place.  
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: slery
Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016

I have this problem constantly. It is so bad now that I cannot use any
folder other than the one that is open.

For another problem, my computer was recently reset (office 365 and NVDA
were both among the programs reinstalled. This reset has allowed my
computer to finally get creators update (1703)). The problem with Outlook
is at it's worst.
Cindy


On August 30, 2017 1:21:20 AM "laura cornwell" <cornwelll627@...> wrote:

> Well  I am having the same trouble   and I don't know where this could
> be coming from  I would also like to know  now when I use the screen
> reader that
>
>
> comes with Windows  outlook works fine. all the best to fixing this
> trouble.    On 8/25/2017 5:31 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
>> I have Outlook 2007 and it works fine with NVDA until I try to read the
>> status bar using NVDA+end when Outlook stops working and I have to restart
>> it.  This has occurred in quite a few versions of NVDA up to 17.2.  I'm not
>> saying it's an NVDA problem, it may be something to do with the interaction
>> between the information exposed by Outlook and how NVDA obtains it whichh
>> causes it.  I doubt MS would do anything  to solve it, so I just avoid
>> using that keystroke.
>>
>> Cheers#
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>> Cearbhall O'Meadhra
>> Sent: 25 August 2017 10:02
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA stopping Outlook 2016
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am running Outlook 2016 on Windows 10 with the latest update of NVDA.
>>
>> Over the past month, I have found that outlook stops and runs out of time
>> almost every time (four times a day) that I check my emails. I notice the
>> problem particularly when I try to swap between folders. This generates the
>> message that Outlook has stopped working and will close. Today, I
>> downloaded the newest update of NVDA and yet the problem is still persisting.
>>
>> I unloaded NVDA and brought up JAWS. With JAWS running I am able to swap
>> between folders without any delay so I am convinced that NDA is causing the
>> problem.
>>
>> Before loading JAWS, I had a very full outlook .pst file and reduced that
>> from 1.2g to 200mb. I have no addins so that can't be the cause.
>> Has anyone experienced this problem? Is there a known solution?
>>
>>
>> I would really value a response as I much prefer to use NVDA rather than JAWS!
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Cearbhall
>>
>> m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 
>






Re: email and nvda

Gene
 

As far as I know, Thunderbird doesn't open multiple folders at the same time.  If that isn't essential, it will do everything else, as will e-mail programs in general.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] email and nvda

Hi,


Try Mozilla Thunderbird. Works with NVDA just fine and has everything you need.


Tony


On 9/3/2017 10:20 PM, slery wrote:

I am looking for a new email program (obviously needs to work with NVDA).

 

Must haves: work with gmail, work with multiple email accounts, open multiple folders at the same time

 

Thanks for any help. Outlook keeps crashing every time I try to open a second folder (or even just switch to a different folder within the same window).

Cindy



jdf2dic

Engin Albayrak <mealbayrak@...>
 

Hello. In Turkey,We are using a jaws dictionary file for QuentinC's playroom application to translate to Turkish. Because, the app and server doesn't support Turkish language.
This jdf file is about 70 pages, and it contains about 2000 entry.
I want to edit it as a dic file for nvda.
Does anybody have any idea?
Thanks.


Re: nvda remote host

Aman Singer
 

Hello Brian and all,

You are perfectly correct in saying that most ISPs use dynamic IP
addressing. However, this is easily worked around with dynamic DNS
such, just as an example, as
http://www.noip.com

There is no need to have an IP address specifically "owned" by anyone.
Many routers even include a way to access dynamic DNS directly in
their settings. Therefore, it is usually quite simple to setup a name
on the internet to point your NVDA remote or any other service at. A
bridge server is sometimes nice to have, but it is obviously a
security risk. I do wish the nvdaremote developers would release their
bridge server code so that, if you wish, you can set up your own
bridge server.
Aman

On 9/5/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hmm, of course one of the problems with a lot of isps is that you do not
own an address its likely to change, so even if you do open ports and all of

that, there is no actuall definite way to know what the IP address actually

is.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda remote host


It's not for security reasons - it's for simple technical reasons. Most
people's computers are not on public IP addresses; they're on private
addresses, able to connect to the Internet through a router. The router
is a
one-way device - computers on the private network can connect to the
Internet
(and the replies can come back again), but without some slightly
complicated
fiddling around with the router settings, no-one out on the Internet can
connect to a computer on the private network.

Therefore two computers on networks like this cannot connect to each
other,
however both can connect to a server which is on a public IP address,
therefore that's why the remote host machine is needed.

The two computers on private networks connect to the host on a public IP
address, and it can reply back to each of those machines, therefore it
can
bridge the connection and the two private machines end up talking to each
other, which they could not do directly.


In fact, if you do have two computers on a single network which want to
use
the NVDA Remote Addon and can talk directly between themselves, you can
do
this - you just put each computer's IP address into the settings on the
other
machine, and they communicate directly without the need for the remote
host.

So, if the two computers can talk to each other directly, NVDA Remote
allows
this, but if they can't, the remote host server enables the connection.


Regards,


Antony.

On Tuesday 05 September 2017 at 09:47:12, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io wrote:

I have to say that I really do not understand why remote works this way
through a host. Is it something obvious?
Since I've not had cause to use it myself as yet it seems just a bit
complex. Is it security or for other reasons that the two interconnected
machines do not talk directly to each other?
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Tomblin" <dtomblin@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 8:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda remote host

hi, I was reading the documentation for the remote addon and it talks
about a remote host. I was wondering if theres one available thats
free.
thanks
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Re: weather plus addon

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi,

and if from the link, open the context menu choose save object with name, that happens?
Adriano

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon


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Re: weather plus addon

Don H
 

OK I go to the first link in your message and hit enter on stable and all I get is a page of code and no download.


On 9/5/2017 12:26 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
 
 
Cheers
Adriano
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] weather plus addon

Sorry but when I try to download from the addon page it does nothing but give me a page of garbage on the screen


On 9/5/2017 11:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
All "official" NVDA add-ons, including Weather Plus, can be found on this page:  https://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
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