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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, but if she changes .PY files without knowing programming, or what she’s changing them for, she’s headed for disaster whatever version of NVDA she uses.  I wouldn’t do that, I’m no programmer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: 10 September 2017 23:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

 

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

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For me its nearly always a browser.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


Which version of Windows are you using? And from the way you've written, I
assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or
Word or Calculator or anything else?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get
no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is
not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing,
I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis
that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
entries?
Kind regards,
Felix



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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

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If you mean can you launch a piece of software and nvda seems not to notice, then yes, and it also happens with other screenreaders. If you have auto say all on for example Firefox often on its first opening will not be apparently in focus will not read the page, but anything that affects the display, say hitting alt or in your case going to the address bar, seems to wake it up. I suspect that nvda does not see the page completed signal or its not sent.
Hard to say, but yes it does happen and the speed of the machine seems to be no indication of when it will or will not work..
For example a program called Belarc advisor looks at your computer and then launches the default browser to see the result. It nearly always seems to not have the browser in the foreground when it finishes, even though its just launched it.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice


Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon.
Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get
no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is
not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing,
I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis
that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and
indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific
control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log
shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is
it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important
events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily
overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log
entries?
Kind regards,
Felix


Re: its time for skinnable windows

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I think we have a while yet though, as many companies use extended support as they did with XP and I know thatthis effectively increases the time of the life of a particular version by another 2 years or so. it depends rather a lot on how Microsoft see the future. If they say and mean Windows 10 is the last one, do they mean its a continual upgrade, or do they mean their next system will not even be called windows, or do they mean everyting will be in the cloud and effectively rented to the customer which will be a problem for anyone not on a good internet connection.
I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to this. I do agree though that in theis day and age we should be able to decide our interface for ALL software so people can have a less steep learning curve. we should be making it easier to upgrade by adding features not changing the intface every few years and stopping people forom using old software.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] its time for skinnable windows


Hi.

Well changed the subject.

I have always said jean that we the users should be able to do as they do in linux decide what desktop one uses with a subset of features ofcause.

And the ability to switch entire sessions at will if we desire.

I like windows 10, but if I could use a windows 7 desktop, and a windows 98 desktop and or an xp desktop and menus then I'd be happy.

Ofcause I would have the chance to switch back and forth as I pleased.

There could be some drawbacks for things.

Things like win7 and lower desktops can not run universal apps in their true universal mode and they would either look like desktops or simply not run.

Games etc could choose what mode they ran in indipendantly from what you had.

So an xp game would run just like on xp, etc.

I'd also like the windows 7 style update dialogs back maybe with added updates histories, articles about them, ways to report bugs easier, and a few other things.

It goes with out saying you would choose what you wanted.

So I could be comfortable in my own skin but choose when needed to switch to another skin when needed.

For me for most things copy paste moving files about playing my old games in windows 7 or xp is fine even the online stuff brousing the net maybe to who knows.

But if I want an spaciffic ms app I could switch to the win10 interface.

I know we have classic shell, old new explorer, ribbon disabler etc but I just wish I could run what os desktop I chose like a theme but even more so.

For us it could also mean we could run our readers depending on what they were for a certain desktop which means no updates for whatever or something like that who knows.

Its been something I have been looking for for ages.

The issue has always been that we have to always use the set of features we are given but we may not need all of them all the time.




On 11/09/2017 1:53 p.m., Gene wrote:
Windows 7 stops being supported in 2020, which is two years and a few months away. Whether people keep using it will involve the same kinds of arguments and discussions that have been raised regarding XP.

Gene
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From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound
truth.

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- William Gibson

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Re: nvda 2017.3 trying to recover from freeze

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I have noticed lots of this all the time. However, if you look at logs and the times taken for these they are often very very short and indeed after a few trips around the loop it seems to force some kind of cancel.
its not so bad on some faster machines but does happen on single processor machines for longer, or is it just that time splitting is worse on these?
The main thing I find is when you get errors repeatedly that an api seems not to be ebing seen and hence bits of nvda have ceased to operate, normally context menus first. At this time a reboot of windows is needed!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 1:57 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda 2017.3 trying to recover from freeze


hi

I set my log to debug warning and for some reason in 2017.3 I am getting
lots of trying to recover from freeze the debug warnings. log is below.
or should i set it to debug the last option in the list would that give
the most detail?


INFO - __main__ (20:54:07.907):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.124):
Config dir: C:\Users\joshk\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (20:54:08.124):
Loading config: C:\Users\joshk\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.177):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.177):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.177):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.177):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (20:54:08.924):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (20:54:08.924):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (20:54:08.924):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (20:54:08.924):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (20:54:08.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (20:54:08.977):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (20:54:08.977):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadLocaleGestureMap (20:54:09.178):
No locale gesture map for language en
DEBUGWARNING - inputCore.InputManager.loadUserGestureMap (20:54:09.178):
No user gesture map
DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (20:54:09.210):
No touch devices found
INFO - core.main (20:54:09.361):
NVDA initialized
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:54:14.799):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 604, in __init__
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1078, in QueryInterface

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (20:54:14.898):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 889, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 71, in __call__
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:15.415):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:54:15.599):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 886, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 619, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 450, in
findOverlayClasses
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\adobeFlash.pyo", line 98, in
findExtraOverlayClasses
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1111, in QueryService

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (20:54:15.599):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 886, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 619, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 450, in
findOverlayClasses
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:16.016):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:18.226):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:54:21.805):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 367, in Notify
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 83, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 50, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 61, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 890, in event_typedCharacter
File "speech.pyo", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters
File "api.pyo", line 238, in isTypingProtected
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\mozilla.pyo", line 42, in _get_states
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 820, in _get_states
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 1033, in
_get_IA2Attributes

DEBUGWARNING - eventHandler.executeEvent (20:54:21.858):
error executing event: typedCharacter on
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_RowWithFakeNavigationMozillaIAccessible object at
0x04CF7F90> with extra args of {'ch': u'\r'}
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 143, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 91, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 98, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 890, in event_typedCharacter
File "speech.pyo", line 654, in speakTypedCharacters
File "api.pyo", line 238, in isTypingProtected
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\mozilla.pyo", line 42, in _get_states
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 820, in _get_states
File "baseObject.pyo", line 34, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:54:22.359):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 874, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 756, in processForegroundWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 61, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 200, in findBestAPIClass
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 439, in kwargsFromSuper
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 155, in
HTMLNodeFromIAccessible
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1111, in QueryService

DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.391):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.391):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.391):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.391):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.407):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:22.460):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IA2WindowHandle
(20:54:27.171):
IAccessible2::windowHandle failed: (-2147220995, 'Object is not
connected to server', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:27.815):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:27.829):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:27.841):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:27.907):
accRole failed: (-2147220995, 'Object is not connected to server',
(None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IA2Attributes
(20:54:27.910):
IAccessibleObject.attributes COMError (-2147220995, 'Object is not
connected to server', (None, None, None, 0, None))
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:54:30.799):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 199, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 396, in main
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 8657, in MainLoop
File "wx\_core.pyo", line 7952, in MainLoop
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 886, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 619, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 61, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 200, in findBestAPIClass
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 439, in kwargsFromSuper
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\MSHTML.pyo", line 155, in
HTMLNodeFromIAccessible
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 1111, in QueryService

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.Notify (20:54:30.931):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 366, in Notify
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 886, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 619, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 531, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 43, in
getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 71, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 550, in __init__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 21, in __get__
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole
(20:54:40.448):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None,
None, None, 0, None))
INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(20:54:46.568):
Developer info for navigator object:
name: u'about:blank'
role: ROLE_DOCUMENT
states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_EDITABLE, STATE_FOCUSED
isFocusable: True
hasFocus: True
Python object:
<NVDAObjects.Dynamic_EditableTextWithAutoSelectDetectionBrokenFocusedStateDocumentEditorMozillaIAccessible
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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

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For transparent issue you mention I think this is because the browser and screenreader simply cannot cope with it. It has to have newer code to make it accessible. That has been my experience. I agree its not ideal and the pace of change is very fast, but in the end we have to live in the world as it is, not as we would like it to be, sadly, and I do sympathise, but the world is as it is.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


hi antony. and bhavya again.

i tried to change pyo files in library.zip, but it destroyed nvda and
completely stopped its working!
i even could not open nvda and reinstalled it again.
one other concern is problems which occur for adding transparent
background color which hangs for me even on xp!

2017.1 is extremely great, without any delay or hang and i realy wish
to keep only this version!

its the best version for me.

i see hang in firefox, skype using 17.2 and even sometimes i fource to
turn of my computer with power button!

my other reasons are not technical, just my favor, interest and
personal reasons!

for this reason that cant help anyone and are only personal, cant explane them!

again, God bless you and thanks extremely for your excellent program
and your support!

On 9/10/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
nvda is extremely great.
i always appreciate it,

i told just for myself not updating.

i explaned one reason that i can explane, but other reasons i realy
cant explane about them.

one of the biggest advantages of opensource softwares is freedom of
choice for us.

for example: even i can download firefox version of 1999 if i want to use!

On 9/10/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Zahra,
Could you please elaborate on these 'many many reasons'? Technically
speaking, any older version of NVDA automatically becomes officially
unsupported, if I am at par with NV Access's update policies. Staying
on outdated software forever may often result in being excluded from
latest technology trends, and thus from the average NVDA community
member also, since NVDA updates are absolutely free of cost and always
progressive (as opposed to regressive).
Thanks.

On 9/10/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi brian.
i wish to know about using nvda with firefox in multiprocess.
as you and many people know, my version of firefox is 52 and my windows
xp!
but maybe i need to use nvda on other places that maybe have firefox
57 in the future!

nvda 17.3 and later i never use forever for many many reasons, but one
of the biggest problem in nvda 17.2 for me is spell with phonetic
which is extremely annoying!

i found a way to return it back to previous behavior, but
unfortunately did not work and this feature causes many problems for
me!

its the most big problem for me, but i have other concerns with newer
versions.

i just want to use nvda 17.1 and keep it forever, but my only concern
is multiprocess and the bugs which i sent there links!

thanks very much, i appreciate any help and God bless you.

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Could one ask what the problem with the later nvda is? also I notice
that
the focus issue mentioned in here about Firefox56 is fixed in 57, but
whether it will do all it needs to in an older version of nvda is hard
to
say of course.
I think that those in here that have done development will help if
there
are clear issues.
I would myself say, and this is personally only, that the 32 bit
version
of

Firefox is still more reliable than the 64 bit one and there is no
messing
about in extended set up to disable multi processor support either.
Obviously, you may have a need for the new version but if you do not
I'd
still advise using Firefox 55, not a nightly or beta.

You did not say in this message what operating system you are using
or,
as

I said what problems you are having with later versions of NVDA.

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version
of

nvda!


hello.

for some reasons, i cant use nvda 17.3, even prefer to keep version
17.1 forever and never update it!

however, i read that some crashes are fixed in nvda 17.2 in firefox
with multiprocess enabled!

i realy wish that know if i use firefox with multiprocess (firefox 57
and later) can i use nvda with crash in this situation?

do firefox developers fix the issue or it depends on nvda helper
remote?

i am realy confused and dont know what should i do.

could someone see these bugs and also test with firefox 57 nightly?

because it maybe causes problem for normal users, i only request nvda
developers and programmers to test it for me.

test please nvda 17.1 with firefox 57 nightly and see these bugs.

i sincerely need your help and waiting for the result.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6805/

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885/

God bless you all, i pray sincerely for you every day, request his
infinite mercy and graces for you and never forget your kindness and
great program and generosity towards me!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

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The problem with any other version of Firefox on XP than 52 or 48 on amd chipped machines, is that no further updates will occur, in fact for amd this is completely true, but for the intel chipped version that is 52, they are still fixing security holes. It is, sadly time to pension off xp and use it for other things, its still capable of writing letters and all sorts of stuff, but as the web eveloves it is increasingly hard to justify using it.

Slowness rather than security and non support of new bits of code are the main issues.

Web sites increasingly are forcing you to use certain browsers of a certain age and no older.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


nvda is extremely great.
i always appreciate it,

i told just for myself not updating.

i explaned one reason that i can explane, but other reasons i realy
cant explane about them.

one of the biggest advantages of opensource softwares is freedom of
choice for us.

for example: even i can download firefox version of 1999 if i want to use!

On 9/10/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Zahra,
Could you please elaborate on these 'many many reasons'? Technically
speaking, any older version of NVDA automatically becomes officially
unsupported, if I am at par with NV Access's update policies. Staying
on outdated software forever may often result in being excluded from
latest technology trends, and thus from the average NVDA community
member also, since NVDA updates are absolutely free of cost and always
progressive (as opposed to regressive).
Thanks.

On 9/10/17, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi brian.
i wish to know about using nvda with firefox in multiprocess.
as you and many people know, my version of firefox is 52 and my windows
xp!
but maybe i need to use nvda on other places that maybe have firefox
57 in the future!

nvda 17.3 and later i never use forever for many many reasons, but one
of the biggest problem in nvda 17.2 for me is spell with phonetic
which is extremely annoying!

i found a way to return it back to previous behavior, but
unfortunately did not work and this feature causes many problems for
me!

its the most big problem for me, but i have other concerns with newer
versions.

i just want to use nvda 17.1 and keep it forever, but my only concern
is multiprocess and the bugs which i sent there links!

thanks very much, i appreciate any help and God bless you.

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Could one ask what the problem with the later nvda is? also I notice
that
the focus issue mentioned in here about Firefox56 is fixed in 57, but
whether it will do all it needs to in an older version of nvda is hard
to
say of course.
I think that those in here that have done development will help if
there
are clear issues.
I would myself say, and this is personally only, that the 32 bit
version
of

Firefox is still more reliable than the 64 bit one and there is no
messing
about in extended set up to disable multi processor support either.
Obviously, you may have a need for the new version but if you do not
I'd
still advise using Firefox 55, not a nightly or beta.

You did not say in this message what operating system you are using or,
as

I said what problems you are having with later versions of NVDA.

Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of

nvda!


hello.

for some reasons, i cant use nvda 17.3, even prefer to keep version
17.1 forever and never update it!

however, i read that some crashes are fixed in nvda 17.2 in firefox
with multiprocess enabled!

i realy wish that know if i use firefox with multiprocess (firefox 57
and later) can i use nvda with crash in this situation?

do firefox developers fix the issue or it depends on nvda helper
remote?

i am realy confused and dont know what should i do.

could someone see these bugs and also test with firefox 57 nightly?

because it maybe causes problem for normal users, i only request nvda
developers and programmers to test it for me.

test please nvda 17.1 with firefox 57 nightly and see these bugs.

i sincerely need your help and waiting for the result.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6805/

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885/

God bless you all, i pray sincerely for you every day, request his
infinite mercy and graces for you and never forget your kindness and
great program and generosity towards me!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




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Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

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You cannot use any later version of Firefox in XP. There is no other way around it of course.
Actully I and others read a lot of messages here and unless someonbne does explain in the new message what they are using its not really fair to expect people to remember what system you use later on.
However i would suggest that even in xp the latest nvda seems more stable in most ways, though there is a possible exception in Microsoft Outlook in Office.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


hi brian.
i wish to know about using nvda with firefox in multiprocess.
as you and many people know, my version of firefox is 52 and my windows xp!
but maybe i need to use nvda on other places that maybe have firefox
57 in the future!

nvda 17.3 and later i never use forever for many many reasons, but one
of the biggest problem in nvda 17.2 for me is spell with phonetic
which is extremely annoying!

i found a way to return it back to previous behavior, but
unfortunately did not work and this feature causes many problems for
me!

its the most big problem for me, but i have other concerns with newer versions.

i just want to use nvda 17.1 and keep it forever, but my only concern
is multiprocess and the bugs which i sent there links!

thanks very much, i appreciate any help and God bless you.

On 9/10/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Could one ask what the problem with the later nvda is? also I notice that
the focus issue mentioned in here about Firefox56 is fixed in 57, but
whether it will do all it needs to in an older version of nvda is hard to
say of course.
I think that those in here that have done development will help if there
are clear issues.
I would myself say, and this is personally only, that the 32 bit version of

Firefox is still more reliable than the 64 bit one and there is no messing
about in extended set up to disable multi processor support either.
Obviously, you may have a need for the new version but if you do not I'd
still advise using Firefox 55, not a nightly or beta.

You did not say in this message what operating system you are using or, as

I said what problems you are having with later versions of NVDA.

Brian

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From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 3:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of

nvda!


hello.

for some reasons, i cant use nvda 17.3, even prefer to keep version
17.1 forever and never update it!

however, i read that some crashes are fixed in nvda 17.2 in firefox
with multiprocess enabled!

i realy wish that know if i use firefox with multiprocess (firefox 57
and later) can i use nvda with crash in this situation?

do firefox developers fix the issue or it depends on nvda helper remote?

i am realy confused and dont know what should i do.

could someone see these bugs and also test with firefox 57 nightly?

because it maybe causes problem for normal users, i only request nvda
developers and programmers to test it for me.

test please nvda 17.1 with firefox 57 nightly and see these bugs.

i sincerely need your help and waiting for the result.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6805/

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885/

God bless you all, i pray sincerely for you every day, request his
infinite mercy and graces for you and never forget your kindness and
great program and generosity towards me!

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: nvda and citrix environments?

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I can remember some talk about these things being called thin clients, which I thought was a very odd term, but I'm assuming these systems are a bit like operating a terminal with the software running elsewhere. I recall Dolphin supporting this but it needed a special group of files on both the client and the server.
Not much likelihood of a home user encountering this I suspect.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and citrix environments?


To be honest, if someone had asked me the question directly, I would have
deferred to the brain's trust here myself, so I hope this is the right
place for such questions :)

But yes, the other place definitely is GitHub. As you know, with help from
some of the very knowledgeable people here, triaging of new issues is
starting to get done a bit quicker and hopefully that will allow us to
investigate / respond to / fix things sooner.

Back to Citrix, and I must admit I don't have any great personal knowledge
on the matter myself. Definitely, as someone indicated, it is always worth
bringing this to the attention of the other organisation - as quite often a
little bit of work from both sides makes fixing things so much easier for
everyone.

Re network installs, I'm sure I had a conversation awhile back with someone
who mentioned they setup NVDA to automatically install on a lab full of
machines - I don't know exactly how they did it now. If you are doing a
network or automatic install, you might be interested in the command line
options for setting up in a batch file particularly:
https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#CommandLineOptions

Regards

Quentin.

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I was merely suggesting that it really does need more people to make
issues about this, if anyone wants some action.
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 4:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and citrix environments?



Wrong place why?

Rui Fontes


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Data: 8 de setembro de 2017 15:52
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Assunto: Re: [nvda] nvda and citrix environments?

Wrong place to ask I'd imagine

I've certainly not heard of any of this thus far, and with the departure
of
Jamie I'd wait a bit to see how the programming team ends up.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 2:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and citrix environments?


hello

does nvda support citrix environments and software for workplaces and
businesses yet? Also any plans to add network installs for NVDA for
businesses?


thanks


Josh


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Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Mohammadreza Rashad
 

I have same issue with Firefox. NVDA 17.3 on Windows 10.1703.


On Sep 11, 2017 11:04 AM, "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon. Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing, I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log entries?
Kind regards,
Felix


Re: Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Quentin Christensen
 

Which version of Windows are you using?  And from the way you've written, I assume Chrome is just an example - it also happens if you open NotePad or Word or Calculator or anything else?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon. Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing, I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log entries?
Kind regards,
Felix




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Focus changes that NVDA doesn't seem to notice

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I was wondering if anyone else has experienced the following phenomenon. Soon after starting Windows, I launch a program, let's say Chrome, and get no feedback whatsoever about it. In particular, the Chrome window title is not announced, and neither is the address bar. To test what NVDA is seeing, I press NVDA+t, and it says "Explorer." However, maintaining the hypothesis that Chrome indeed has focus, I type a web address and press enter, and indeed the site opens in Chrome and is read properly by NVDA.
So, a new window became active, and keyboard focus was on a specific control within this window, but NVDA did not detect this. The NVDA log shows no irregularities.
Any idea what might be going on and how the effect could be prevented? Is it a known fact that Windows sometimes does not raise such important events? Or might there be a timing issue in which NVDA is temporarily overloaded and thus fails to track them? Would that not generate log entries?
Kind regards,
Felix


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

hi gene thanks so much as always for your kindness and supporting me!

yes, you are correct, i write many times the links which i want to
copy and 99 percent of times, i write them correctly!

i just memorize the simple links, type in my browser address bar or
write them when i need!

i realy like this way and dont wish to keep any history, cookies, bookmarks etc!
my firefox when is opened is always like a fresh install for the first
time and i realy love this way!

and as you know, i desabled javascript for security and only activate
when i realy need it!

hi quentin.

as i mentioned, i dont face any crash in using firefox with normal processing,

for me just in some websites, (although i desabled displaying images
and javascripts) but nvda 17.2 becomes very sluggish.

i should be waite for one or two minutes to nvda works again.

before that, nvda becomes silent, i should restart it many times to
work again, close such heavy websites, or even in a rare cases, i
should turn off my system with power button, because in this
situation, i cant use nvda or my firefox!

i did not see this behaviour in firefox and nvda version 17.1, even i
opened ten tabs!

hope that help you and you also read the links which i wrote and help
me about this issue!

God bless you all, i pray for you sincerely every day and beg divine
infinite mercy and graces for you!

On 9/11/17, Randy Barnett <randy@soundtique.net> wrote:
I built it myself so just the cost of parts. approx. 700.00 Not counting
the mech HDD's they where just lieing around...
On 9/10/2017 7:23 PM, The Wolf wrote:
damn I like yur computer spects how much did that set u back?

Hank



On 9/10/2017 7:18 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Vinux (Self voicing Linux) is easy to install. I am still learning it
but so far so good.
Win 7 supports SSD's amd more RAM than you will ever need.
I have win 7 64bit hone and Win 10 64bit Pro on a skylake  Z170
chipset with an Intel I5 6600K CPU that runs at 4.4Ghz. A Samsung 950
Pro M2 NVME SSD and 16GB DDR4 RAM.
It also has a Samsung 850 Pro SATA SSD and 4 old mech HDD's.
ON this systemWin 7 is just as fast as win 10. On 9/10/2017 6:57 PM,
Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well my plan is to have a system I will use for online stuff and
either vms of a lot of other things, however I had this old win7 box
and I am either going to use it for gaming or linux or something.

Something I can use on the road or when I need something done.

My main push this time is not just win7 going to die sooner or later
but I want ssd and large data storage for on the go as well as take
advantage of a few win10 features and extras like that.

However I'd be lieing if it may be my last one for a bit.

I have been thinking of having an older throw away system with
windows of some sort of version which while I will use it online
from time to time will be for things like media file playback, and
conversion.




On 11/09/2017 12:04 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for
various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and
maybe other
things.  I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would
not put
certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp
box and
I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that's
what I'd
do. I wont put it online.  And maybe store files on it.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
favorite version
of nvda!


How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your
computer.  For
some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for
others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they
don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a
version of
Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the
person uses
the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me
to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number,
or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making
credit card
purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I
wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would
recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from
running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow
them on that
specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing. I would
read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted
message
as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click
here.


Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they
do have a
choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to
use it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
favorite version
of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what
her story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or
later 7 is
going to go out just like xp.  I'm going to learn ten before 7
becomes a
sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
favorite version
of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person
is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either
get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements
can't both be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing
such an
appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a
particle?  For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until
theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
favorite version
of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement,
how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound
truth.










--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I built it myself so just the cost of parts. approx. 700.00 Not counting the mech HDD's they where just lieing around...

On 9/10/2017 7:23 PM, The Wolf wrote:
damn I like yur computer spects how much did that set u back?

Hank



On 9/10/2017 7:18 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Vinux (Self voicing Linux) is easy to install. I am still learning it but so far so good.
Win 7 supports SSD's amd more RAM than you will ever need.
I have win 7 64bit hone and Win 10 64bit Pro on a skylake  Z170 chipset with an Intel I5 6600K CPU that runs at 4.4Ghz. A Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME SSD and 16GB DDR4 RAM.
It also has a Samsung 850 Pro SATA SSD and 4 old mech HDD's.
ON this systemWin 7 is just as fast as win 10. On 9/10/2017 6:57 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well my plan is to have a system I will use for online stuff and either vms of a lot of other things, however I had this old win7 box and I am either going to use it for gaming or linux or something.

Something I can use on the road or when I need something done.

My main push this time is not just win7 going to die sooner or later but I want ssd and large data storage for on the go as well as take advantage of a few win10 features and extras like that.

However I'd be lieing if it may be my last one for a bit.

I have been thinking of having an older throw away system with windows of some sort of version which while I will use it online from time to time will be for things like media file playback, and conversion.




On 11/09/2017 12:04 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for
various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and maybe other
things.  I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would not put
certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp box and
I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that's what I'd
do. I wont put it online.  And maybe store files on it.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer.  For
some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of
Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the person uses
the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card
purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that
specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing. I would read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message
as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click here.


Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a
choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is
going to go out just like xp.  I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a
sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an
appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.







Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

damn I like yur computer spects how much did that set u back?

Hank

On 9/10/2017 7:18 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:
Vinux (Self voicing Linux) is easy to install. I am still learning it but so far so good.
Win 7 supports SSD's amd more RAM than you will ever need.
I have win 7 64bit hone and Win 10 64bit Pro on a skylake  Z170 chipset with an Intel I5 6600K CPU that runs at 4.4Ghz. A Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME SSD and 16GB DDR4 RAM.
It also has a Samsung 850 Pro SATA SSD and 4 old mech HDD's.
ON this systemWin 7 is just as fast as win 10. On 9/10/2017 6:57 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well my plan is to have a system I will use for online stuff and either vms of a lot of other things, however I had this old win7 box and I am either going to use it for gaming or linux or something.

Something I can use on the road or when I need something done.

My main push this time is not just win7 going to die sooner or later but I want ssd and large data storage for on the go as well as take advantage of a few win10 features and extras like that.

However I'd be lieing if it may be my last one for a bit.

I have been thinking of having an older throw away system with windows of some sort of version which while I will use it online from time to time will be for things like media file playback, and conversion.




On 11/09/2017 12:04 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for
various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and maybe other
things.  I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would not put
certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp box and
I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that's what I'd
do. I wont put it online.  And maybe store files on it.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer.  For
some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of
Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the person uses
the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card
purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that
specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing.  I would read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message
as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click here.


Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a
choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is
going to go out just like xp.  I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a
sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an
appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.





Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Official MS support ends in just under 3 years but that doesnt mean it will just stop being a good OS. No one is going to bother hacking most of us as it is and they will be going after win 10 by then anyway.

On 9/10/2017 6:59 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I thought it was 3.

I am almost tempted if thats the case to wait for the intel 8g series which should be out soon.

Though due to a few things most of which I won't bore you with I am seriously thinking of switching from toshiba to hp or gegabyte.




On 11/09/2017 12:50 p.m., Randy Barnett wrote:
there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lino Morales
*Sent:* September-10-17 3:20 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

    Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements
    can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the
    problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is
    light a wave or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem
    in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that
    accounted for both observations.

    Gene

    ------ Original Message -----

    *From:*Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

    *Sent:*Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
    favorite version of nvda!

    I've often wondered about this.

    Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

    So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false
    statement, how can it
    be another profound truth?


    Antony.

    On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

    > The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
    >
    > But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another
    profound truth.

    --     "The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

     - William Gibson

                                                       Please reply to
    the list;
    please *don't* CC me.




Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Vinux (Self voicing Linux) is easy to install. I am still learning it but so far so good.
Win 7 supports SSD's amd more RAM than you will ever need.
I have win 7 64bit hone and Win 10 64bit Pro on a skylake  Z170 chipset with an Intel I5 6600K CPU that runs at 4.4Ghz. A Samsung 950 Pro M2 NVME SSD and 16GB DDR4 RAM.
It also has a Samsung 850 Pro SATA SSD and 4 old mech HDD's.
ON this systemWin 7 is just as fast as win 10. On 9/10/2017 6:57 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well my plan is to have a system I will use for online stuff and either vms of a lot of other things, however I had this old win7 box and I am either going to use it for gaming or linux or something.

Something I can use on the road or when I need something done.

My main push this time is not just win7 going to die sooner or later but I want ssd and large data storage for on the go as well as take advantage of a few win10 features and extras like that.

However I'd be lieing if it may be my last one for a bit.

I have been thinking of having an older throw away system with windows of some sort of version which while I will use it online from time to time will be for things like media file playback, and conversion.




On 11/09/2017 12:04 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for
various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and maybe other
things.  I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would not put
certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp box and
I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that's what I'd
do. I wont put it online.  And maybe store files on it.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer.  For
some people, they must use something other than XP now.  for others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of
Windows higher than XP.  And then, you have to consider how the person uses
the computer.  I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card
purchahses.  Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine.  for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that
specific site.  That will increase safety during browsing.  I would read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message
as HTML, such as  a newsletter with links that are words like click here.


Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a
choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is
going to go out just like xp.  I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a
sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements can't both be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an
appearance is resolved.  for example, is light a wave or a particle?  For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.


its time for skinnable windows

 

Hi.

Well changed the subject.

I have always said jean that we the users should be able to do as they do in linux decide what desktop one uses with a subset of features ofcause.

And the ability to switch entire sessions at will if we desire.

I like windows 10, but if I could use a windows 7 desktop, and a windows 98 desktop and or an xp desktop and menus then I'd be happy.

Ofcause I would have the chance to switch back and forth as I pleased.

There could be some drawbacks for things.

Things like win7 and lower desktops can not run universal apps in their true universal mode and they would either look like desktops or simply not run.

Games etc could choose what mode they ran in indipendantly from what you had.

So an xp game would run just like on xp, etc.

I'd also like the windows 7 style update dialogs back maybe with added updates histories, articles about them, ways to report bugs easier, and a few other things.

It goes with out saying you would choose what you wanted.

So I could be comfortable in my own skin but choose when needed to switch to another skin when needed.

For me for most things copy paste moving files about playing my old games in windows 7 or xp is fine even the online stuff brousing the net maybe to who knows.

But if I want an spaciffic ms app I could switch to the win10 interface.

I know we have classic shell, old new explorer, ribbon disabler etc but I just wish I could run what os desktop I chose like a theme but even more so.

For us it could also mean we could run our readers depending on what they were for a certain desktop which means no updates for whatever or something like that who knows.

Its been something I have been looking for for ages.

The issue has always been that we have to always use the set of features we are given but we may not need all of them all the time.

On 11/09/2017 1:53 p.m., Gene wrote:
Windows 7 stops being supported in 2020, which is two years and a few months away. Whether people keep using it will involve the same kinds of arguments and discussions that have been raised regarding XP.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 7:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

> The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
>
> But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.








Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

I thought it was 3.

I am almost tempted if thats the case to wait for the intel 8g series which should be out soon.

Though due to a few things most of which I won't bore you with I am seriously thinking of switching from toshiba to hp or gegabyte.

On 11/09/2017 12:50 p.m., Randy Barnett wrote:
there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don’t know what her story is. yes that person’s going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is going to go out just like xp.  I’m going to learn ten before 7 becomes a sinking ship.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Lino Morales
*Sent:* September-10-17 3:20 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.

On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

    Perhaps a paradox is an example.  Two contradictory statements
    can't both be true although, they can both seem to be until the
    problem causing such an appearance is resolved.  for example, is
    light a wave or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem
    in quantum mechanics until theories and models were developed that
    accounted for both observations.

    Gene

    ------ Original Message -----

    *From:*Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

    *Sent:*Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

    *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    *Subject:*Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my
    favorite version of nvda!

    I've often wondered about this.

    Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

    So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false
    statement, how can it
    be another profound truth?


    Antony.

    On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

    > The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.
    >
    > But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another
    profound truth.

    --     "The future is already here.   It's just not evenly distributed yet."

     - William Gibson

                                                       Please reply to
    the list;
    please *don't* CC me.



Re: nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

 

Well my plan is to have a system I will use for online stuff and either vms of a lot of other things, however I had this old win7 box and I am either going to use it for gaming or linux or something.

Something I can use on the road or when I need something done.

My main push this time is not just win7 going to die sooner or later but I want ssd and large data storage for on the go as well as take advantage of a few win10 features and extras like that.

However I'd be lieing if it may be my last one for a bit.

I have been thinking of having an older throw away system with windows of some sort of version which while I will use it online from time to time will be for things like media file playback, and conversion.

On 11/09/2017 12:04 p.m., Arlene wrote:
I know a friend who has an xp computer. He does not put it on line for
various reasons. He uses it to convert audio tapes to mp3s and maybe other
things. I think he has windows ten. That would be me too. I would not put
certin info using xp if I had it online. If I had an old clunker xp box and
I knew how to use it to convert cassette tapes to mp3s then that's what I'd
do. I wont put it online. And maybe store files on it.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: September-10-17 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


How fast you may be left behind depends on how you use your computer. For
some people, they must use something other than XP now. for others, they
may be able to get away with using XP for quite some time, if they don't do
anything that requires programs or peripherals that require a version of
Windows higher than XP. And then, you have to consider how the person uses
the computer. I wouldn't use XP if I had to do things requiring me to give
personal information such as my birthday, Social Security number, or other
information that might aid in identity theft, including making credit card
purchahses. Because of the vulnerability of XP to hacking, I wouldn't do
any such things on an XP machine. for general browsing, e-mail, word
processing, etc. XP will be able to be used for years. I would recommend
that those who use XP learn to protect themselves by turning off JAVA
scripts or by using No Script (spelling) which blocks scripts from running
unless you are on a site that requires them, then you can allow them on that
specific site. That will increase safety during browsing. I would read
e-mail as plain text unless it would be necessary to read a trusted message
as HTML, such as a newsletter with links that are words like click here.


Some people may not have a choice about whether to use XP but they do have a
choice about whether they protect themselves if they are going to use it.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 5:24 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her story
is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or later 7 is
going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten before 7 becomes a
sinking ship.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino
Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is 2
chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either get off
the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.


On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't both be
true although, they can both seem to be until the problem causing such an
appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave or a particle? For
years, that was a serious problem in quantum mechanics until theories and
models were developed that accounted for both observations.


Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version
of nvda!


I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement, how can
it
be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.