From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: September-12-17 8:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

Hi all.

Has anybody here thought about downloading firefox nightly?

I am pretty sure they are changing the whole ui interface so if you don’t have firefox nightly 57, you may wish to give it a try.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi Gene,

I have never had this problem. I just tried it with Firefox55 (I don't yet have 56.)  and it is not there.  I never remember having the issue using Windows 8.1 and the latest NVDA.

This has nothing to do with unregistered dll files.  It is the problem that has been mentioned by Joseph Lee recently and the problem is that if you unload and then run NVDA while firefox, or I believe any other program that uses browse mode is opened, browse mode won't work.  You must close and rerun the program such as a browser, to have it function properly again.  this bug is known to the developers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

 

Does the same thing happen in other browsers and in browse mode in pdf
reader. if things are a bit shot then you win the prize of the monty for
uninstalling a program that de registered loads of dll files that windows
uses for  accessability.

 I think if this is yet another one of these  people folk, we need to have
this fix signposted widely all the time as it seems its becoming a common
issue with Windows even brand new computers seem to have it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?


Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to
arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi, Scott,

I'll give firefox nightly a try and see how it works.

Rosemarie

Hi all.

Has anybody here thought about downloading firefox nightly?

I am pretty sure they are changing the whole ui interface so if you don’t have firefox nightly 57, you may wish to give it a try.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi Gene,

I have never had this problem. I just tried it with Firefox55 (I don't yet have 56.)  and it is not there.  I never remember having the issue using Windows 8.1 and the latest NVDA.

This has nothing to do with unregistered dll files.  It is the problem that has been mentioned by Joseph Lee recently and the problem is that if you unload and then run NVDA while firefox, or I believe any other program that uses browse mode is opened, browse mode won't work.  You must close and rerun the program such as a browser, to have it function properly again.  this bug is known to the developers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

 

Does the same thing happen in other browsers and in browse mode in pdf
reader. if things are a bit shot then you win the prize of the monty for
uninstalling a program that de registered loads of dll files that windows
uses for  accessability.

 I think if this is yet another one of these  people folk, we need to have
this fix signposted widely all the time as it seems its becoming a common
issue with Windows even brand new computers seem to have it.
 Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?


Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to
arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi all.

Has anybody here thought about downloading firefox nightly?

I am pretty sure they are changing the whole ui interface so if you don’t have firefox nightly 57, you may wish to give it a try.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Scott

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi Gene,

I have never had this problem. I just tried it with Firefox55 (I don't yet have 56.)  and it is not there.  I never remember having the issue using Windows 8.1 and the latest NVDA.

This has nothing to do with unregistered dll files.  It is the problem that has been mentioned by Joseph Lee recently and the problem is that if you unload and then run NVDA while firefox, or I believe any other program that uses browse mode is opened, browse mode won't work.  You must close and rerun the program such as a browser, to have it function properly again.  this bug is known to the developers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

 

Does the same thing happen in other browsers and in browse mode in pdf
reader. if things are a bit shot then you win the prize of the monty for
uninstalling a program that de registered loads of dll files that windows
uses for  accessability.

 I think if this is yet another one of these  people folk, we need to have
this fix signposted widely all the time as it seems its becoming a common
issue with Windows even brand new computers seem to have it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?


Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to
arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Hi Gene,

I have never had this problem. I just tried it with Firefox55 (I don't yet have 56.)  and it is not there.  I never remember having the issue using Windows 8.1 and the latest NVDA.

This has nothing to do with unregistered dll files.  It is the problem that has been mentioned by Joseph Lee recently and the problem is that if you unload and then run NVDA while firefox, or I believe any other program that uses browse mode is opened, browse mode won't work.  You must close and rerun the program such as a browser, to have it function properly again.  this bug is known to the developers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

 

Does the same thing happen in other browsers and in browse mode in pdf
reader. if things are a bit shot then you win the prize of the monty for
uninstalling a program that de registered loads of dll files that windows
uses for  accessability.

 I think if this is yet another one of these  people folk, we need to have
this fix signposted widely all the time as it seems its becoming a common
issue with Windows even brand new computers seem to have it.
 Brian

bglists@...
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briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?


Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to
arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

On Sep 12, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

Hi Gene,

I have never had this problem. I just tried it with Firefox55 (I don't yet have 56.)  and it is not there.  I never remember having the issue using Windows 8.1 and the latest NVDA.

On 9/12/2017 1:30 PM, Gene wrote:

This has nothing to do with unregistered dll files.  It is the problem that has been mentioned by Joseph Lee recently and the problem is that if you unload and then run NVDA while firefox, or I believe any other program that uses browse mode is opened, browse mode won't work.  You must close and rerun the program such as a browser, to have it function properly again.  this bug is known to the developers.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:38 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?

Does the same thing happen in other browsers and in browse mode in pdf
reader. if things are a bit shot then you win the prize of the monty for
uninstalling a program that de registered loads of dll files that windows
uses for  accessability.

 I think if this is yet another one of these  people folk, we need to have
this fix signposted widely all the time as it seems its becoming a common
issue with Windows even brand new computers seem to have it.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <brandonkeithbiggs@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:50 PM
Subject: [nvda] Does Anyone Else Have This Bug in Firefox Using NVDA?


Hello,

Does anyone else have this problem:

Start the latest stable NVDA, open the latest Firefox, restart NVDA, try to
arrow through the Firefox page. The arrow keys don’t work, just the tab key.

Thank you,


Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

On Sep 12, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi thanks for this i just filled it in.

While the survey is going i will add it to my website for other screen reader users that might want to fill it in. It will stay there until it finishes just have to figure where is the best spot?

Guys the survey is well worth filling out so please do.

Gene nz

On 13/09/2017 03:29, Rui Fontes wrote:

Hello!

Will be good to NVDA promotion if all NVDA users fill the survey!
For TalkBack users, the survey is also about mobile usage!


http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/

Best regards,

Rui Fontes

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

I don't think you can change to plain text using the gmail site.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite version of nvda!

hi gene.
could you please teach me how to open some emails in plane text?
i only use web interface of gmail and dont know how to change some emails not open in html format.
Allah bless you, his infinite mercy and graces i pray for you.

On 9/12/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh okay. that's good to know. I've seen mute the thread. At the end of
these messages.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: September-11-17 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



You can mute any thread if you read any message in that thread as HTML.
There is a mute link at the bottom of messages. You may not see it if
you read mail as plain text. You will definitely see it if you read
mail as html and look at the links at the bottom of every message.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Hi, I don't think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be
lying. I just hit the delete key if I don't want to read the thread.
Speaking of older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a
name of a thread and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook
express. I no longer use it. But it's okay. I just hit delete!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.



On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone
can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its
their own damn fault. Are you aware that even according to the
developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was
developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit
screen-readers? Why do you think XP has been supported so long by
NVDA? Because the developers recognize that many users can't get
access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.



Also, do you read your messages before you send them? Some of your
message was unintelligible though I gather it was about XP being a
vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was
really sloppy with blatant typographical errors. If you are angry and
make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your
message before sending it an correcting it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly
know what a sentence or two was trying to say. If you are angry and just From:
Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own
damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue
sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA
2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA
2017.3 discusion.



On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people
asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her
story is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or
later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten
before 7 becomes a sinking ship.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is
2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either
get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.



On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't
both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem
causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave
or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum
mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for
both observations.



Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement,
how can it be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org

Oh okay. that's good to know. I've seen mute the thread. At the end of
these messages.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: September-11-17 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



You can mute any thread if you read any message in that thread as HTML.
There is a mute link at the bottom of messages. You may not see it if
you read mail as plain text. You will definitely see it if you read
mail as html and look at the links at the bottom of every message.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:12 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Hi, I don't think you can mute the thread. The Mod can. I could be
lying. I just hit the delete key if I don't want to read the thread.
Speaking of older versions of windows. I used to be able to type in a
name of a thread and hit delete. Then it was gone. it was with outlook
express. I no longer use it. But it's okay. I just hit delete!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-11-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Me angry? No sir. Just sick of this thread. I need to mute it.



On 9/11/2017 4:00 PM, Gene wrote:

So, in your view of the world, poor countries don't exist and everyone
can just go out and get a more modern computer and if they don't, its
their own damn fault. Are you aware that even according to the
developers own statements, one of the important reasons NVDA was
developed was to serve those who couldn't afford to buy for profit
screen-readers? Why do you think XP has been supported so long by
NVDA? Because the developers recognize that many users can't get
access to newer machines with more modern versions of Windows.



Also, do you read your messages before you send them? Some of your
message was unintelligible though I gather it was about XP being a
vector to spread a virus and a good deal else in your message was
really sloppy with blatant typographical errors. If you are angry and
make all sorts of mistakes, that is particularly the time to read your
message before sending it an correcting it.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

A good deal of your message was almost unintelliggible and I hardly
know what a sentence or two was trying to say. If you are angry and just From:
Lino Morales <mailto:linomorales001@gmail.com>

Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 2:33 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



Sure it is. Time ti get off the XP train. If you don't its your own
damn fault. Theier was a cute little the world famous Patric Perdue
sand with the help of DecTalk Virus. I'm sticking with WIN 10 and NVDA
2020 if I'm alive in 2020 when its released. I'm done. Now, but NVDA
2017.3 discusion.



On 9/10/2017 8:50 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

there's a good 5 or 6 years before 7 is too old...
And "Suck it up buttercup" is very understanding and helpful to people
asking for help...
On 9/10/2017 3:24 PM, Arlene wrote:

Perhaps this person may have a language barrier. I don't know what her
story is. yes that person's going to be left behind. I know sooner or
later 7 is going to go out just like xp. I'm going to learn ten
before 7 becomes a sinking ship.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Lino Morales
Sent: September-10-17 3:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I think 2 things. One their is a language barier or 2. This person is
2 chicken nuggits shy of a happy meal. Suck it up butter cup. Either
get off the XP train or get left behinsd. Windows 10. Its good for you.



On 9/10/2017 6:01 PM, Gene wrote:

Perhaps a paradox is an example. Two contradictory statements can't
both be true although, they can both seem to be until the problem
causing such an appearance is resolved. for example, is light a wave
or a particle? For years, that was a serious problem in quantum
mechanics until theories and models were developed that accounted for
both observations.



Gene

------ Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone <mailto:antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>

Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 1:20 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda developers please help me about my favorite
version of nvda!



I've often wondered about this.

Surely a profound truth is a correct statement.

So, if the opposite of that correct statement is a false statement,
how can it be another profound truth?


Antony.

On Sunday 10 September 2017 at 19:15:11, Brian Vogel wrote:

The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.

But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

--
"The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet."

- William Gibson

Please reply to the
list;
please
*don't* CC me.

Hello!

Will be good to NVDA promotion if all NVDA users fill the survey!
For TalkBack users, the survey is also about mobile usage!


http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey7/

Best regards,

Rui Fontes

Running NVDA 2017-3 on a win 10 64 bit machine.

This issue doesn't seem to be browser specific as I have had the issue with both IE and Google Chrome. Sometimes NVDA doesn't report a link. With this issue I have had the problem of hitting the enter key on a line of text on a web page causing NVDA from responding and locking the computer. In some cases you can wait it out and speech returns and on other cases the only way to fix the issue is a hard reboot. Can happen on any web page if you happen to hit enter on a non control line on the page.