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Hi, Brian,
You bring up some very good points here. I was talking to a friend the other day and he said he wishes he could go back to windows XP. I asked him why and his answer was that it was simpler to work with. He's a great example of someone who wants to stay in the stone age so to speak. I tried to suggest that he upgrades to windows 10 but he doesn't want to. Like the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Rosemarie
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 11:23 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new that's available to them.
Brian
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Wow. What happens if you have to call the microsoft support line for something?? If you're still using XP, they'll tell you to upgrade to either windows 7 or 10. You can't stay in the past forever.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:10 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Hello:
What is this thing called freeway you speak of?
My horse and buggy ride just fine in all the pastures around my town!
There's nothing like the old days to make one feel right at home!!!
On 4/18/2016 12:27 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument on many lists. Try using a horse and buggy on a free way. There comes a time when you just have to learn something new and change with the times. People who live over 100, say this is the main thing you have to do to live that long. Sometimes you have to forget the past and move on toward the future. Someday, I will be able to drive my own car, and I will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10, and win10 is like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but like you said, it can’t get in the way of the world changing for the good. Take care. If it takes buying new programs, it must be done because of the coming future. Start saving now, so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future that is to come. Have a great one.
From: Pete <mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9 works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new that's available to them.
Brian
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Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@gmail.com <mailto:gmjc341961@gmail.com>
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Re: Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on
Hello,
It is $69. You can get it from AT Guys.
Regards,
Greg Wocher
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On 4/18/2016 5:30 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr.
wrote:
How much does thecode factory elequence add on, and the code
factory vocalizer add on cost?
Kenny Peyatt jr.
On 4/18/2016 8:17 AM, Gene wrote:
There is a demo. I don't
recall if there is actually a demo or if the program
functions when installed as a demo with the user simply
installing the exact same program. I suspect that that is
the case. Check the web page where the program is offered
and see. Of course, someone could make a recording and that
would be useful. It might be more useful to try it as a
demo and see what you think of it in use as you would use
it. And the SAPI Code Factory Version would be worth trying
as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and
Vocalizer add on
You say crackling sound.
Do you have a way you could some how record it, and let me
hear? I'd like
to hear it before making a purchase.
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Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wocher" <gwocher@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on
> Hello all,
> I did purchase this add on today. Even once it is activated
the crackling
> and popping is still evident when using eloquence. I did
notice that they
> have
> a few different voices for the vocalizer synth. I
downloaded Oliver, a UK
> voice, and it is not bad. I also downloaded a new female US
english voice
> called
> Susan and she is not bad either.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
>
>
>
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Great point, Rosemarie!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 4:49 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Hi, David,
Yes, we do have to keep up with the times because things do change. I'm reminded of a former pen pal who was so stubborn. She was very anti-technology. One time she asked me if I had someone take me grocery shopping. When I told her I learned how to shop online, she gave me the riot act and said I needed to go to confession for having a computer. I gave it right back to her and told her she needed to grow up and get with the program. My whole point is that we all need to learn to be flexible. You can't live in the past forever.
Rosemarie
-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument on many lists. Try using a horse and buggy on a free way. There comes a time when you just have to learn something new and change with the times. People who live over 100, say this is the main thing you have to do to live that long. Sometimes you have to forget the past and move on toward the future. Someday, I will be able to drive my own car, and I will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10, and win10 is like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but like you said, it can’t get in the way of the world changing for the good. Take care. If it takes buying new programs, it must be done because of the coming future. Start saving now, so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future that is to come. Have a great one.
From: Pete <mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9 works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new that's available to them.
Brian
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Can you travel about your country on your horse? There is a difference
being at home and traveling the country or abroad.
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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Hello:
What is this thing called freeway you speak of?
My horse and buggy ride just fine in all the pastures
around my town!
There's nothing like the old days to make one feel right
at home!!!
On 4/18/2016 12:27 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument on many lists.
Try using a horse and buggy on a free way. There comes a time when you just
have to learn something new and change with the times. People who live over
100, say this is the main thing you have to do to live that long. Sometimes
you have to forget the past and move on toward the future. Someday, I will be
able to drive my own car, and I will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10,
and win10 is like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but like
you said, it can’t get in the way of the world changing for the good. Take
care. If it takes buying new programs, it must be done because of the coming
future. Start saving now, so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future
that is to come. Have a great one.
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready
to install w10, have to check on if w e 9 works in w10 or not. the f s people
told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with
nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom
of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's
kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook
express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft
outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue,
it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one
example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one
is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will
be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook
Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who
knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail
clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real
concern.
While such a concern is not present
regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as
well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any
you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being
supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's
painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself
crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far
more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to
learn the new that's available to them.
Brian --
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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Re: Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on
How much does thecode factory elequence add on, and the code factory
vocalizer add on cost?
Kenny Peyatt jr.
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On 4/18/2016 8:17 AM, Gene wrote:
There is a demo. I don't recall
if there is actually a demo or if the program functions when
installed as a demo with the user simply installing the exact
same program. I suspect that that is the case. Check the web
page where the program is offered and see. Of course, someone
could make a recording and that would be useful. It might be
more useful to try it as a demo and see what you think of it
in use as you would use it. And the SAPI Code Factory Version
would be worth trying as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and
Vocalizer add on
You say crackling sound.
Do you have a way you could some how record it, and let me hear?
I'd like
to hear it before making a purchase.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgilland07@...
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Wocher" <gwocher@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add on
> Hello all,
> I did purchase this add on today. Even once it is activated
the crackling
> and popping is still evident when using eloquence. I did
notice that they
> have
> a few different voices for the vocalizer synth. I downloaded
Oliver, a UK
> voice, and it is not bad. I also downloaded a new female US
english voice
> called
> Susan and she is not bad either.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
>
>
>
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Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?
Hi,
I use the qube very successfully. Let me know if you want me to put a copy of the site where to download it from. I use it with win10 and it rocks and it is free as well. Don't pay for Chicken Nuget when the qube is free. One thing about the qube though, some of you may not want a total key command driven program. There is no window or menus for the qube. I like that, because I can be in any other program or on the web, and I can start using the commands for the qube and tweet while I am doing something else. Have a great one and let me know if you want the download site.
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-----Original Message----- From: Lisa P Geibel Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 7:52 AM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] TWBlue stopped working, please help? Hi We had this issue once and was able to fix it by deleting the extra characters, but that's not the problem this time. Everything looks right. It just won't load so unfortunately, as much as we loved TWBlue, if we want Twitter, we're going to be forced to use Chicken Nugget. We did purchase and install that, but have some questions if anyone would be willing to help here or off list as not to clutter things? Please and thanks. Lisa E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429Philmore box shared with hubby: 773-572-7897 God bless everyone!!! On 4/18/16 5:20 AM, Lenron wrote: I had this same issue sort of not sure what's going on. I refuse to
use any other twitter client I really like tw blue.
On 4/18/16, Rémy Ruiz <remyruiz@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Go to the TWBlue shortcut that is on the desktop, and do properties;
with Alt+Enter
Example:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe" -i
I have deleted:
-i
now is:
"C:\Program Files\twblue\TWBlue.exe"
Apply and OK or only OK
Note:
Ignore the warning of Windows and click continue and ready!
Now if you can click the shortcut TWBlue.
Well this so what I did with an installable version.
Cheers.
Rémy
Le 18/04/2016 05:23, Lisa P Geibel a écrit :
Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon
for the program, tried running it as administrator with the context
key, tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files
folder and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we
really say a final farewell to this great program? We're running
Windows 10 with the latest build of NVDA and also have the latest
version of JAWS, but it won't work that way either. Any ideas or help
would be greatly appreciated? Thanks.
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Hello:
What is this thing called freeway you speak of?
My horse and buggy ride just fine in all the pastures around
my town!
There's nothing like the old days to make one feel right at
home!!!
On 4/18/2016 12:27 PM, David Moore
wrote:
Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument
on many lists. Try using a horse and buggy on a free way.
There comes a time when you just have to learn something new
and change with the times. People who live over 100, say
this is the main thing you have to do to live that long.
Sometimes you have to forget the past and move on toward the
future. Someday, I will be able to drive my own car, and I
will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10, and win10 is
like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but
like you said, it can’t get in the way of the world changing
for the good. Take care. If it takes buying new programs, it
must be done because of the coming future. Start saving now,
so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future that is to
come. Have a great one.
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator
speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from
Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w
e 9 works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works
in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose
freedom of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian
Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's
kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express
except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or
window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom
of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that
certain programs, Outlook Express being one example,
effectively cease to exist when official support
ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect,
that anything that they're using will be available in
perpetuity.
I discourage people
from using Outlook Express because the only existing
versions available are hacks based on who knows what
code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail
clients constantly interact with the internet this is
a real concern.
While such a concern
is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will
come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very
likely going to come a point where you, for any you,
have to let go of something you're used to because it
is not being supported or carried forward. Getting
used to this, even though it's painful, is essential
in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself
crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who
have expended far more energy trying to hold on to
something than would have been expended to learn the
new that's available to them.
Brian
--
Carlos Gonzalez - Los Angeles, CA. - gmjc341961@...
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Hi, David,
Yes, we do have to keep up with the times because things do change. I'm reminded of a former pen pal who was so stubborn. She was very anti-technology. One time she asked me if I had someone take me grocery shopping. When I told her I learned how to shop online, she gave me the riot act and said I needed to go to confession for having a computer. I gave it right back to her and told her she needed to grow up and get with the program. My whole point is that we all need to learn to be flexible. You can't live in the past forever.
Rosemarie
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:28 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument on many lists. Try using a horse and buggy on a free way. There comes a time when you just have to learn something new and change with the times. People who live over 100, say this is the main thing you have to do to live that long. Sometimes you have to forget the past and move on toward the future. Someday, I will be able to drive my own car, and I will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10, and win10 is like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but like you said, it can’t get in the way of the world changing for the good. Take care. If it takes buying new programs, it must be done because of the coming future. Start saving now, so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future that is to come. Have a great one.
From: Pete <mailto:emac00@cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 PM
To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9 works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new that's available to them.
Brian
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Re: TWBlue stopped working, please help?
Hi Lisa, have you tried just hitting tw in the search bar and when you hear twblue desktop app hitting enter this works for me.
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On 18/04/2016 12:58, Lisa P Geibel wrote: Hi Kevin,
Just tried this and nothing happened again. It's like the icon is there,
but the computer has no clue what it's supposed to do when you hit enter
on it or try to run it as administrator.
Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@gmail.com
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!
On 4/18/16 6:34 AM, Kevin Cussick via Groups.io wrote:
No, just make a fresh short cut to the exe file and it should run. I
have had this as well on windows10 and this for some reason seems to fix
it.
On 18/04/2016 04:34, Arlene wrote:
Hi there: If that was me. I'd just uninstall that program. It's up to
you what you want to do with it. Someone else on the list can better
tell you. I'm saying if that's me I'd get rid of the program.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa P Geibel [mailto:lisapgeibel429@gmail.com]
Sent: April-17-16 8:23 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] TWBlue stopped working, please help?
Hi,
I know I've heard about people with this program and it not working. I
even went through the time when extra characters were added to the
twblue.exe file, but this is not the case now. We've uninstalled and
reinstalled the latest version, but still nothing. Restarted the
computer and still nothing. Tried hitting enter on the desktop icon for
the program, tried running it as administrator with the context key,
tried loading it from the twblue.exe icon in the program files folder
and still nothing. Does anyone have any ideas or should we really say a
final farewell to this great program? We're running Windows 10 with the
latest build of NVDA and also have the latest version of JAWS, but it
won't work that way either. Any ideas or help would be greatly
appreciated? Thanks.
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Hi,
I used the dec talk hard ware synthisizer in the 80s with an IBM computer.
Wow, that really brings back memories. Take care.
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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Thanks for those samples. I've never really been
a fan of Decktalk, but I have heard quite a bit of it over the years, and you
are right. This version does sound quite different than what's shipped with
Window Eyes.
Thanks,
Ari
People who are
interested may want to hear a recording I made when I was evaluating this
version of Dectalk. it speaks differently enough and has a bit of a
different inflection pattern as well and those interested should hear the
program when deciding. You may be able to use it as a demo but this
recording may allow you to decide what you think of this version. The
original DECTalk couldn't be replicated, I think because the code was lost at
some time and this is a reconstruction. The person selling the program
isn't responsible for this. She is making available what has been
supplied.
The person selling this version is very
friendly and it was a pleasure corresponding with her.
The link to download the samples is
The sample consists of the reading of a small
part of Genesis at two different speeds. Trying the synthesizer as you
would use it may be preferable but this may give you a reasonable idea of
whether you want to pursue the matter.
Gene
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Well if people don't want the legal version of
eloquence.
emailing enablerehab@... and asking for
their dectalk synth may be
the better option.
They don't exactly sell
it anymore because there is no interest however
they will sell it to you
for basically what its worth.
Their licence with fonix means you need to
pay but there is no fixed
price so pay what you want.
I put in 20 bucks
for the thing but you could pay anything from 1-2
dollars up.
For those
not liking eloquence this may be the better solution.
My only complaint is
that some of the voices are a bit quiet volume wise.
However
for about a couple mb you get every dectalk voice and language,
sadly no
singing but even so.
On 18/04/2016 10:33 p.m., Joseph Lee
wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 1. CF version is legal.
> 2. Sometimes
we do see illegal Eloquence pop up, and this version is the one we don't allow
(legal versions are allowed).
> Hope this helps (and please have a long
rest).
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:clgilland07@...]
>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: This is
the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
>
> This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to
send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just
said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working
with Eloquence, so know that up front.
>
> So, my question is,
first, Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my
question is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
> Second off, I'm a
little bit confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are
you saying it isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not
allowed, please then be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed
period, or are you saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF
version.
>
> Sorry, your message was just a little bit
vague. I've had an extremely emotionally rough night, I won't go into it
more than to say, I've been crying my eyes out all night, so therefore as you
can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right
now to the meaning of your message. If so, please forgive me.
>
---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training
Instructor.
>
> clgilland07@...
> Phone:
(704) 256-8010.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph
Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
> Sent:
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This is the moderator
speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
>
>
> Ladies and gentlemen,
>
> Until a
few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list.
>
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence
add-on.
> Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner)
said discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
> At this
point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We
cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important
occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the
reputation of a product, particularly a product that many of you depends on,
depends on what users say about the product and the discussions surrounding
it.
> For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However,
I'm also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or
the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not activate
moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for newbies to get
accustomed to this environment.
> For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed
serious, more serious now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's
tenth birthday. Not only I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of
the planners of NVDACon 2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning
committee), I'd like to kindly request that we care about reputation of NVDA,
NV Access and this community.
> These days, what gives me more stress
isn't the question of who will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the
reputation and future of this community for months and years to come. What
gives me more joy is to see you all become folks who can think about what's
going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed
certain proposals in the past).
> In conclusion, I do know I will not be
able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this: NVDA community,
specifically this forum, is facing a
> crisis: misinformation abounds
and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from a disease called
"misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people not being
informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name calling at
times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name
calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think
about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words,
contrary to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at
times known for doing the opposite.
> Lastly, in regards to free
material: there is no such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in
public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made
available as a free, open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there
are costs associated with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a
second: imagine a group of developers who have decided to promote equal access
to technology at no additional costs, using their talents to give
opportunities for someone who lives in poverty somewhere.
> NVDA is more
than a screen reader now: it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages -
support, encouragement, opportunities and so on.
> Thank you.
>
Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@...]
>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
>
> Why do
people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the rules of
the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it is available
and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.
>
> Sent from
my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can pay, but the
first condition is that the paid versions works as
>> fine or better
that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
>> is not the
case.
>> However, I know that in the list we can't speak about
that
>> alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about
it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
mk.
>>
>>> El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher
escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>> I want to give those of you
who use the illegal eloquence add on some
>>> food for thought.
When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do,
>>> you give NVDA
and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase
>>> the
Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I
will
>>> let you all know if it gets rid of the
choppiness.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg
Wocher
>>>
>>>> On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley
wrote:
>>>> My sentiments
exactly.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
From: Afrim
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40
AM
>>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>>> Subject:
Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
>>>>
Factory
>>>>
>>>> I have been using the old
add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
>>>> not going to
pay for a program that does essentially the same
>>>>
thing. The add-on I am talking about works so fast and
reliably.
>>>> cheers.
>>>>
>>>>
Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17,
2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>
>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, there was a
discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
>>>>> such as
Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
>>>>>
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed
that
>>>>> Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other
screen readers and
>>>>> other synths I have for NVDA on my
machine running Windows 7.
>>>>> I also never experienced
this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
>>>>>
implementation.
>>>>> Anyway, I got thinking about it this
evening, and decided to do
>>>>> some searching to see if
anyone else was experiencing similar
>>>>> issues. I found a
thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
>>>>>
archive, and saw a message stating that the choppiness would
go
>>>>> away once the product was paid for. I was just
wondering if this is
>>>>> indeed the case? If yes, it's not
what I'd consider the best way to
>>>>> limit a trial
version, but I might buy it after
all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours
Sincerely,
>>>>> Kelly John Sapergia
>>>>>
Show Host and Production Director
>>>>> The Global Voice
Internet Radio
>>>>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info
>>>>>
>>>>>
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website
(KJS
>>>>> Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow
me on Twitter
>>>>> at:
kjsapergia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Hi Pete,
Thank you so much, because I have made the same argument on many lists. Try
using a horse and buggy on a free way. There comes a time when you just have to
learn something new and change with the times. People who live over 100, say
this is the main thing you have to do to live that long. Sometimes you have to
forget the past and move on toward the future. Someday, I will be able to drive
my own car, and I will embrace it. NVDA works so well in win10, and win10 is
like a mantion over a log cabbin. We should have choice, but like you said, it
can’t get in the way of the world changing for the good. Take care. If it takes
buying new programs, it must be done because of the coming future. Start saving
now, so you can prepare for the beautiful tech future that is to come. Have a
great one.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am
getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9 works in w10 or not. the
f s people told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like people are using w 10 with
nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom of
choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's
kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express
except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or
window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue,
it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one
example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one
is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will
be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook
Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who
knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients
constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present
regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as
well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you,
have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported
or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is
essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy.
I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy
trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new
that's available to them.
Brian
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Gene wrote, "Freedom of choice is fine up to a point but you are implying, in an analagous context, that people should be allowed to use Model T Fords to preserve freedom of choice. Too much choice equals stifling choice for many others. it is not reasonable nor practical to expect backward compatibility indefinitely." To which I cannot say, more loudly, "Amen brother!!" I really don't know why people think that the cyber world can, will, or should offer indefinite backward compatibility when none of the rest of the world ever has. Whether it's because it's too cumbersome or difficult or because a given vendor just decides "time's up," the loss of stuff in the cyber world is a fact of life just like it is "in real life." The fact that it is easier, often by far, to cling to something in the cyber world long past its "expiration date" only complicates the problem. Brian
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Freedom of choice is fine up to a point but you are
implying, in an analagous context, that people should be allowed to use Model T
Fords to preserve freedom of choice. Too much choice equals stifling
choice for many others. it is not reasonable nor practical to expect
backward compatibility indefinitely. Over time, it may become too
cumbersome to keep a program working on an increasingly old version of an
operating system. Just as it becomes impractical to have model t fords on
fast highways of today. I am not a tech so I can't discuss this from a
technical standpointbut it is true that over time it becomes increasingly
difficult to keep new versions of an operating system backwardly compatible with
increasingly old programs.
As far as reviving Text Assist is concerned, it
wouldn't make sense to do so in its original form. But the real problem
with DEDTalk these days is that someone lost the original code and current
versions are reconstructions and are not as good, though some reconstructions
are quite reasonable. If the speech part of Text Assist, the DECTalk code,
could be used to build a modern version of DECTalk, that might be worth
doing. But Text Assist as such, wouldn't be practical to revive as it
was.
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Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] This is the moderator speaking: Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Same thing for people wanting windows x
p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9
works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works in w10 and sounds like
people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be
forced to loose freedom of choice.
On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's
kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express
except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or
window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue,
it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one
example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one
is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will
be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from using Outlook
Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who
knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients
constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not present
regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well.
There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have
to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or
carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is
essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy.
I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more
energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn
the new that's available to them.
Brian
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Same thing for people wanting windows x p.
I am getting ready to install w10, have to check on if w e 9
works in w10 or not. the f s people told me j16 works in w10 and
sounds like people are using w 10 with nvda.
Change is good but one should not be forced to loose freedom of
choice.
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On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of
choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain
programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease
to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed,
nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will
be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from
using Outlook Express because the only existing versions
available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with
what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly
interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not
present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go,
in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a
point where you, for any you, have to let go of something
you're used to because it is not being supported or carried
forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is
essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself
crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have
expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than
would have been expended to learn the new that's available to
them.
Brian
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I hear you, hence lot's of people are still using x p and with
x p you have outlook express if you want it. I would strongly
discourage using any hacked outlook express program.
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On 4/18/2016 2:22 PM, Brian Vogel
wrote:
Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that."
This isn't a "freedom of
choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain
programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease
to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed,
nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will
be available in perpetuity.
I discourage people from
using Outlook Express because the only existing versions
available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with
what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly
interact with the internet this is a real concern.
While such a concern is not
present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go,
in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a
point where you, for any you, have to let go of something
you're used to because it is not being supported or carried
forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is
essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself
crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have
expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than
would have been expended to learn the new that's available to
them.
Brian
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Thanks for those samples. I've never really been a fan of Decktalk, but I have heard quite a bit of it over the years, and you are right. This version does sound quite different than what's shipped with Window Eyes.
Thanks, Ari
People who are interested may want to hear a
recording I made when I was evaluating this version of Dectalk. it speaks
differently enough and has a bit of a different inflection pattern as well and
those interested should hear the program when deciding. You may be able to
use it as a demo but this recording may allow you to decide what you think of
this version. The original DECTalk couldn't be replicated, I think because
the code was lost at some time and this is a reconstruction. The person
selling the program isn't responsible for this. She is making available
what has been supplied.
The person selling this version is very
friendly and it was a pleasure corresponding with her.
The link to download the samples is
The sample consists of the reading of a small part
of Genesis at two different speeds. Trying the synthesizer as you would
use it may be preferable but this may give you a reasonable idea of whether
you want to pursue the matter.
Gene
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: This is the moderator speaking: [nvda] Question
Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code Factory
Well if people don't want the legal version of
eloquence.
emailing enablerehab@... and asking for
their dectalk synth may be
the better option.
They don't exactly sell it
anymore because there is no interest however
they will sell it to you for
basically what its worth.
Their licence with fonix means you need to pay but
there is no fixed
price so pay what you want.
I put in 20 bucks for the
thing but you could pay anything from 1-2
dollars up.
For those not
liking eloquence this may be the better solution.
My only complaint is that
some of the voices are a bit quiet volume wise.
However for about
a couple mb you get every dectalk voice and language,
sadly no singing but
even so.
On 18/04/2016 10:33 p.m., Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi
Chris,
> 1. CF version is legal.
> 2. Sometimes we do see illegal
Eloquence pop up, and this version is the one we don't allow (legal versions are
allowed).
> Hope this helps (and please have a long rest).
>
Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:clgilland07@...]
> Sent: Monday,
April 18, 2016 3:25 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: This is the
moderator speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
>
> This is the only Eloquence related post I'm going to
send to this list, but it has 100% everything to do with what Joseph has just
said. I'm neither promoting nor asking about how to get this working with
Eloquence, so know that up front.
>
> So, my question is, first,
Joseph, you say that Code Factory released an addon. I guess my question
is, is that addon considered to be illegal?
> Second off, I'm a little bit
confused. Are you saying that Eloquence is allowed, or are you saying it
isn't allowed at this time on list. Further, if not allowed, please then
be more specific. Are you saying it's not allowed period, or are you
saying it's allowed, but only if talking about the CF version.
>
>
Sorry, your message was just a little bit vague. I've had an extremely
emotionally rough night, I won't go into it more than to say, I've been crying
my eyes out all night, so therefore as you can imagine, I'm incredibly tired, so
perhaps my mind is a bit oblivious right now to the meaning of your
message. If so, please forgive me.
> ---
> Christopher
Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training
Instructor.
>
> clgilland07@...
> Phone:
(704) 256-8010.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Lee"
<joseph.lee22590@...>
>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
> Sent:
Monday, April 18, 2016 6:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This is the moderator
speaking: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
>
>
> Ladies and gentlemen,
>
> Until a
few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this list.
>
This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence
add-on.
> Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said
discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
> At this point, it
would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for a while. We cannot risk
giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this important occasion: NVDA's tenth
anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't forget this: the reputation of a product,
particularly a product that many of you depends on, depends on what users say
about the product and the discussions surrounding it.
> For those new to
this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm also known for being a
volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or the reputation of a product
or a community is questioned. I'll not activate moderation flag for anyone out
of respect for everyone and for newbies to get accustomed to this
environment.
> For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious
now that we're about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only
I'm speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon 2016
(I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly request
that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this community.
>
These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who will succeed me
or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of this community for
months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to see you all become folks
who can think about what's going on and make informed decisions (yes, that's the
reason why I've proposed certain proposals in the past).
> In conclusion,
I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe I need to say this:
NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
> crisis:
misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're suffering from
a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being seen as legal, people
not being informed as to what's available to them when they need it, name
calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in my blog, I will not accept name
calling). Being passionate about something is good, but it is better to think
about what's going on before defending one's arguments. In other words, contrary
to what we've said about this forum to the outside world, we're at times known
for doing the opposite.
> Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no
such thing as free lunch. I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't
technically free. For the benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free,
open-source and community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated
with this project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of
developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no
additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone who
lives in poverty somewhere.
> NVDA is more than a screen reader now: it's
a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement,
opportunities and so on.
> Thank you.
> Cheers,
>
Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Afrim
[mailto:afrim.maja@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43
AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
>
> Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't
consider it against the rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if
you like to call it is available and accessible from within the add-on list of
NVDA.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 17, 2016,
at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@...>
wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I can pay, but the
first condition is that the paid versions works as
>> fine or better
that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that
>> is not the
case.
>> However, I know that in the list we can't speak about
that
>> alternative, so I don't understand why the people speak about
it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> mk.
>>
>>>
El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
>>>
Hello,
>>> I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence
add on some
>>> food for thought. When you do it and proudly
proclaim that you do,
>>> you give NVDA and its users a bad
reputation. I think I may purchase
>>> the Code Factory add on later
this afternoon from AT Guys and I will
>>> let you all know if it
gets rid of the choppiness.
>>>
>>>
Regards,
>>> Greg Wocher
>>>
>>>> On
4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
>>>> My sentiments
exactly.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
From: Afrim
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40
AM
>>>> To: nvda@groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
>>>>
Factory
>>>>
>>>> I have been using the old add-on
of eloquonce someone made, and I am
>>>> not going to pay for a
program that does essentially the same
>>>> thing. The
add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
>>>>
cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my
iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM,
Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@...>
>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently, there was a
discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
>>>>> such as
Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
>>>>>
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed
that
>>>>> Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other
screen readers and
>>>>> other synths I have for NVDA on my
machine running Windows 7.
>>>>> I also never experienced this
with Code Factory's SAPI 5
>>>>>
implementation.
>>>>> Anyway, I got thinking about it this
evening, and decided to do
>>>>> some searching to see if
anyone else was experiencing similar
>>>>> issues. I found a
thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's
>>>>> archive,
and saw a message stating that the choppiness would go
>>>>>
away once the product was paid for. I was just wondering if this
is
>>>>> indeed the case? If yes, it's not what I'd consider
the best way to
>>>>> limit a trial version, but I might buy
it after all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours
Sincerely,
>>>>> Kelly John Sapergia
>>>>>
Show Host and Production Director
>>>>> The Global Voice
Internet Radio
>>>>> http://www.theglobalvoice.info
>>>>>
>>>>>
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website
(KJS
>>>>> Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me
on Twitter
>>>>> at:
kjsapergia
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Some people like the speech player ad don, it gives more flexibility in the way one can configure voices.
It's been a while since I searched around for software synthesizers.
I have an old i s a DEC talk board along with an accent p c and doubletalk p c. I picked up an old DEC express a while ago.
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On 4/18/2016 2:09 PM, mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo wrote: any other voices I can use bsides the jaws voice. I need Somantha for
nvda &others like Jill &rail speak solo voices free ones
On 4/18/16, Pete <emac00@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Hi
I think the synthesizers that come with some audio / sound cards need
to be looked at by screen reader developers. Like I mentioned earlier
textassist is quite a good synthesizer. The thing people kept saying
sapi 3 was junk / old use sapi 4. It's kind of like the whole e-mail
thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep
telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail
or some thing like that. That kind of behavior doesn't encourage freedom
of choice. What if we were all told we would have to use Winkline for
the rest of our lives for a screen reader? May be now a days less
software gets bundled with sound cards plus most p c s have on board audio.
Pete
On 4/18/2016 6:17 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen,
Until a few months ago, discussion of Eloquence wasn't allowed on this
list. This was relaxed last summer when Code Factory released Eloquence
add-on. Back then, Nimer and I (Nimer being the actual list owner) said
discussion of illegal version isn't still permitted.
At this point, it would be advisable to suspend Eloquence discussions for
a while. We cannot risk giving NVDA a slightly muddy reputation at this
important occasion: NVDA's tenth anniversary and NVDACon. Please don't
forget this: the reputation of a product, particularly a product that many
of you depends on, depends on what users say about the product and the
discussions surrounding it.
For those new to this list: I'm known for being generous. However, I'm
also known for being a volcano, especially if the integrity of the list or
the reputation of a product or a community is questioned. I'll not
activate moderation flag for anyone out of respect for everyone and for
newbies to get accustomed to this environment.
For our old friends: Yes, I am indeed serious, more serious now that we're
about to help NV Access celebrate NVDA's tenth birthday. Not only I'm
speaking on behalf of moderators, but as one of the planners of NVDACon
2016 (I am indeed the chair of the planning committee), I'd like to kindly
request that we care about reputation of NVDA, NV Access and this
community. These days, what gives me more stress isn't the question of who
will succeed me or success of NVDACon, but the reputation and future of
this community for months and years to come. What gives me more joy is to
see you all become folks who can think about what's going on and make
informed decisions (yes, that's the reason why I've proposed certain
proposals in the past).
In conclusion, I do know I will not be able to sleep tonight, but believe
I need to say this: NVDA community, specifically this forum, is facing a
crisis: misinformation abounds and passion trumps reason at times. We're
suffering from a disease called "misinformation" - what is illegal being
seen as legal, people not being informed as to what's available to them
when they need it, name calling at times and so forth (as I mentioned in
my blog, I will not accept name calling). Being passionate about something
is good, but it is better to think about what's going on before defending
one's arguments. In other words, contrary to what we've said about this
forum to the outside world, we're at times known for doing the opposite.
Lastly, in regards to free material: there is no such thing as free lunch.
I do need to say this in public: NVDA isn't technically free. For the
benefit of many, NVDA is made available as a free, open-source and
community-driven screen reader. But there are costs associated with this
project. Please stop now and imagine for a second: imagine a group of
developers who have decided to promote equal access to technology at no
additional costs, using their talents to give opportunities for someone
who lives in poverty somewhere. NVDA is more than a screen reader now:
it's a movement, and workers deserve their wages - support, encouragement,
opportunities and so on.
Thank you.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: Afrim [mailto:afrim.maja@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 2:43 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
Why do people talk about it? They can, and I don't consider it against the
rules of the list since the add-on, the alternative if you like to call it
is available and accessible from within the add-on list of NVDA.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2016, at 9:33 PM, mk360 <mk.seventhson@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I can pay, but the first condition is that the paid versions works as
fine or better that the alternative, and as reviews as been said, that is
not the case.
However, I know that in the list we can't speak about that alternative,
so I don't understand why the people speak about it.
Regards,
mk.
El 17-04-2016 a las 8:04, Greg Wocher escribió:
Hello,
I want to give those of you who use the illegal eloquence add on some
food for thought. When you do it and proudly proclaim that you do, you
give NVDA and its users a bad reputation. I think I may purchase the
Code Factory add on later this afternoon from AT Guys and I will let you
all know if it gets rid of the choppiness.
Regards,
Greg Wocher
On 4/17/2016 5:32 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:
My sentiments exactly.
-----Original Message----- From: Afrim
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question Regarding Eloquence for NVDA from Code
Factory
I have been using the old add-on of eloquonce someone made, and I am
not going to pay for a program that does essentially the same thing.
The add-on I am talking about works so fast and reliably.
cheers.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kelly Sapergia <ksapergia@sasktel.net>
wrote:
Hi,
Recently, there was a discussion about alternative voices for NVDA,
such as Code Factory's add-on with Eloquence and Vocalizer. I
mentioned that when I tried this particular product, I noticed that
Eloquence sounded quite choppy compared to other screen readers and
other synths I have for NVDA on my machine running Windows 7.
I also never experienced this with Code Factory's SAPI 5
implementation.
Anyway, I got thinking about it this evening, and decided to do some
searching to see if anyone else was experiencing similar issues. I
found a thread about the add-on in the old NVDA list's archive, and
saw a message stating that the choppiness would go away once the
product was paid for. I was just wondering if this is indeed the case?
If yes, it's not what I'd consider the best way to limit a trial
version, but I might buy it after all.
Thanks.
Yours Sincerely,
Kelly John Sapergia
Show Host and Production Director
The Global Voice Internet Radio
http://www.theglobalvoice.info
Personal Website: http://www.ksapergia.net Business Website (KJS
Productions): http://www.kjsproductions.com Follow me on Twitter
at: kjsapergia
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The SAPI Version worked on right for me, except for saying the days of the week rather oddly. It would separate the first part of the day and the part that says day into two syllables, with a pause that sounded like a comma between them. It also said dates as numbers, for example, 1-11-12 would be said as one, eleven, twelve. And they would all be said as if there was a comma after each number. Those two things rather frustrated me. It also had a little bit of a tendency to sound like a comma-sounding pause when there was no comma, sort of like Eloquence does when it's running in embedded systems, like talking ATMs. This didn't happen often enough for me to really notice it, though. Either that or I just got used to it. It seems that it didn't happen often enough to be really annoying, I guess is what I'm saying.
I never did try the Code Factory adon, and I especially didn't want to, after hearing about all the problems people have been having with it.
Thanks, Ari That makes sense. It would be completely
illogical to have a demo version of a program perform badly and then to have it
perform better once paid for. It would also be illogical not to inform
users of this in any way. If the SAPI5 version works well, that is the one
I would get. I've seen conflicting reports on how it works in Windows 8
and Windows 10. I've seen it claimed that SAPI5 doesn't work well in
general in Windows 8 and 10 and that the Eloquence SAPI version lags and is not
properly responsive because of this. I have seen other messages stating
that it works well from some people who have tried it. All I can say is,
try the demo if interested and I would be curious to see reports. I think
others would as well. It works very well on my XP machine and I expect it
will work well on my Windows 7 machine but I haven't tried it on that
machine. It's Windows 8 and 10 that I've seen contradictory statements
about.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Eloquence and Vocalizer add
on
Hello all, I did purchase this add on today. Even once it is
activated the crackling and popping is still evident when using eloquence. I
did notice that they have a few different voices for the vocalizer synth.
I downloaded Oliver, a UK voice, and it is not bad. I also downloaded a new
female US english voice called Susan and she is not bad
either. Regards, Greg Wocher
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Pete wrote, "It's kind of like the whole e-mail thing with people wanting to use outlook express except people keep telling them to use Thunderbird or Microsoft outlook or window live mail or some thing like that." This isn't a "freedom of choice" issue, it's a simple fact of life that certain programs, Outlook Express being one example, effectively cease to exist when official support ends. No one is guaranteed, nor should they expect, that anything that they're using will be available in perpetuity. I discourage people from using Outlook Express because the only existing versions available are hacks based on who knows what code base and with what vulnerabilities. Since e-mail clients constantly interact with the internet this is a real concern. While such a concern is not present regarding voice synthesis, things will come, and go, in that arena as well. There is very likely going to come a point where you, for any you, have to let go of something you're used to because it is not being supported or carried forward. Getting used to this, even though it's painful, is essential in the cyber world unless you want to drive yourself crazy. I've seen a lot of people over the years who have expended far more energy trying to hold on to something than would have been expended to learn the new that's available to them. Brian
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