Hi, all fixed now.
Just had to clear cookies.
On 9/22/2017 4:28 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi


Where do you mean on the out side of the website or the inside where the movies are?


I was in there a couple of days ago watching the old doctor who.


Gene nz



On 9/23/2017 5:57 AM, Matt Turner wrote:

Is it just me, or have all the headings disappeared.

Using the latest version of chrome, and NVDA.

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I think social media is a time management issue. I find better things to do with my time than to wrestle with facebook. That is all. I'm not going to say I'll never use it, but for what use I could make of it a huge learning curve appears to be needed by any user without sight.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using facebook

It's extremely easy to navigate, but the facebook mobile page doesn't have everything the main facebook page has, or sometimes it does, but it's burried somewhere, and good luck finding it. It's nearly impossible to do everything I want to do when using the mobile version of the page, so I gave it up for useless years ago. Admittedly, the regular page is a hassle, and sometimes it's slow as all get out, but it works, and in the long run that's all that matters.

Of course, I use face book as little as possible, so your mileage may vary.


On 9/22/2017 3:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook

hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.

I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking about. Yes poorly designed.


On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download is terrible. According to the site (and I quote).

Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA Voice dialog.


Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices. It works just fine for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want to use. This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.

But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw doesn't). Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that needs done on these voices. I'd be demanding my money back with no doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things. The seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.

It's extremely easy to navigate, but the facebook mobile page doesn't have everything the main facebook page has, or sometimes it does, but it's burried somewhere, and good luck finding it. It's nearly impossible to do everything I want to do when using the mobile version of the page, so I gave it up for useless years ago. Admittedly, the regular page is a hassle, and sometimes it's slow as all get out, but it works, and in the long run that's all that matters.

Of course, I use face book as little as possible, so your mileage may vary.


On 9/22/2017 3:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook

hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.

I thought that this does exist. I'm not sure if it does anymore. Correct
me if I am wrong. I'd like to join it.


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is it free?

http://theqube.oire.org/

----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 4:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

 

FYI, The Qube is now back up and being developed once again!  It's not on the old Quartizer site so just Google it and you'll find it.

Roger







On 9/22/2017 2:51 PM, Andy wrote:

If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

 

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and its documentation is translated into 9 of them.

Cheers,

Florian

 

http://theqube.oire.org/

----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 4:59 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

FYI, The Qube is now back up and being developed once again!  It's not on the old Quartizer site so just Google it and you'll find it.

Roger







On 9/22/2017 2:51 PM, Andy wrote:

If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and its documentation is translated into 9 of them.

Cheers,

Florian

If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and its documentation is translated into 9 of them.

Cheers,

Florian

Hi Andy,

Qwitter or the Qube are not supported any more!

If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and its documentation is translated into 9 of them.

Cheers,

Florian

I can't stand ESpeak either Travis, but I know the page you are talking
about. Yes poorly designed.


On 9/19/2017 3:49 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

I have to say, the web page where the nvda plugin is up for download
is terrible.  According to the site (and I quote).

Once the Add-on is installed along with NVDA, you can select either
Code Factory Eloquence or Code Factory Vocalizer in the NVDA
Synthesizer dialog and then select the preferred language in the NVDA
Voice dialog.


Yeah, only this doesn't work for vocalizer voices.  It works just fine
for eloquence voice (which btw, I can't stand), but apparently, for
vocalizer voices, you need to go to another page (not linked to
anywhere on the NVDA plugins page), and download the voices you want
to use.  This is pretty poor page design, especially since there is no
mention anywhere on the page that voices need to be downloaded.

But, just for reference, downloading the voices I wanted didn't change
my circle of errors, I'm still getting the thanks for using, and
telling me that pressing ok will start the install process, (which btw
doesn't).  Installing the samantha voice separately also doesn't solve
my problem, I can select vocolizer in the code factory menu, but when
going to synthesizer and selecting vocalizer is how I get into that
nice endless error circle, so there is definitely still work that
needs done on these voices.  I'd be demanding my money back with no
doubt if I'd had this experience after paying for these things.  The
seven day trial is nice, but it isn't of any use to me, because
nothing here is working, so I'm just going to write it all off as a
bad idea and go back to being content with my espeak ivan 3 voice.

Hi


The package is in a zip format it is about 300 meg or so for the whole
package. There is a run time file you need to click on and after that it is
the tts voices need to be installed.

The link to the drop boxs account is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zthyyh9kef7repx/Speech%20Platform%2011%20engine%20and%20voices.zip?dl=0


I also have the speech hub package but the add on needs to be installed
after speech hub has been installed.


the add on can be found under the following section in windows c: drive then
program files x86 then speech hub then nvda add on then just do the usual to
install it the add on i mean.


the drop box link is
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zzgos2mu38ss3i1/SpeechHubInstall.exe?dl=0


On 9/22/2017 10:39 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
does it work on Windows 7?

From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2017 9:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Speech Platform


Hi



I do have the whole package of voices for speech platform if you are
interested along with the run time tingy to get those voices working.



I just looked on my windows 10 creators update machine and there under the
synth section is one for speech platform so i have it installed.

I only have the one voice installed called sarah but i could install more if
i can see it.



if you are interested i can drop box them.

They are the complete set so will have other languages as well apart from
english.



Gene nz





On 9/21/2017 11:29 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

Is MS Speech Platform still compatible with NVDA? It's been several
years since I first installed it and I've changed computers and NVDA's
interface has changed and I don't know if it's still possible to install
Speech Platform in it, which makes me a bit sad because I like those
voices, just not as a default. I've also forgotten how to install them
in NVDA and I can see they're not addon packages, so...






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Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.


--
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.

Hello,

Regarding bhavyashaa's comment dated on 2 Mar below, I agree totally. If NVDA just got rid of the arrow keys being announced, it would be OK to hear the other command keys. I am a trainer, and for new users, it is important for them to hear the other keys, even the most basic ones like enter, escape and alt tab. But having to listen to the arrow keys constantly really gets in the way. If this simple fix could be made in the next version of NVDA, it would really help, especially for new users and those who train them.

Regards,\
David Kingsbury

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Customizing Announcement of Command Keys

Hello Quentin!

Sorry! The previous message have gone out without authorization! Smile!

Please, see:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6553

namely:

ruifontes commented on 15 Nov 2016
A compromise solution:
1 - Considere Enter, and accents like accut accent, grave accent, tilde and carete, as a character;
2 - Separate arrows from command keys.
That way will have three group of keys;
1 - Typeable characters including Enter and accents;
2 - Arrow keys;
3 - All other keys;


bhavyashah commented on 2 Mar
Hi,
Are there any users who would like to retain announcement of arrow keys via the Speak command keys option? If absolutely none, removing arrow keys as a whole from being reported under all settings should be considered, because it is unlikely and unproductive for anyone to enable arrow keys while working, or even creating tutorial content for beginners, or in any scenario I can currently visualize.
Also, adding only Enter to the characters spoken even with the afore mentioned setting off would be of significant help to beginners, as many NVDA users and trainers have reported in the past, and shouldn't have any counter-productive consequences in the UX of other users.
However, Enter in comjunction with other keys, in the form of key commands, shouldn't be verbalized.
The above two cases have been pretty much unanimously agreed as expressed in several comments and through various tickets in the past, and thus I have specifically requested their implementation.
With the arrow keys eliminated and the Enter key spoken, we may have a clearer picture of the user demand going forward.
Thanks.


Do we need some more issues open to this question?
If you see, my proposal and bhavyashah proposal are identical, with the inclusion of accents in the typeable characters, as they really are.

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 19 de setembro de 2017 09:07
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Customizing Announcement of Command Keys


Clipspeak will read the following commands:

CTRL+A: Select all
CTRL+Z: Undo
CTRL+Y: Redo
CTRL+X: Cut
CTRL+C: Copy
CTRL+V: Paste

Is that what you are after?
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/clipspeak.en.html


The idea of a more customisable "speak command keys" comes up from time to
time, but the problem is everyone wants different things. My idea would
probably be to have a simple set of options, say checkboxes for groups of
keys like:
- function keys
- arrow keys
- modifier keys


etc.


If anyone has a really clear and widely useful variant on that they'd really
like to see, do feel free to write it up on GitHub:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues


Regards


Quentin.


On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:42 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

I am aware that if you go into the NVDA menu keyboard settings, it is
possible to turn on and off the announcement of command keys. I am wondering
if there is any way to customize this. I want to hear NVDA say control C
when I copy text, control V when I paste, but it is very annoying to hear
down arrow every time I hit the down arrow. Can I set this so I can hear
some of these keystrokes, but not others?

Thanks for any help on this.
David Kingsbury

If you ever used Qwitter or the Qube, it's almost identicle to those.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Florian Ionașcu

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] tw-blue

Hello Anthony, I also recomend you to read TWBlu's user guide. At present, TWBlu's interface is translated into 20 languages and its documentation is translated into 9 of them.

Cheers,

Florian

Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook

hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.

I second what Lino said. Facebook mobile is about as simple as it can possibly get. I don't know if it is my computer or what, but, the desktop version of Facebook is uber slow on my machine.

Brian their is nothing wrong with teh Facebook Mobile site. It has HTML headings etc. Its easy to navigate.


On 9/19/2017 7:26 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes I gave up even trying to understand it, Even on the mobile site.
Is there a blind friendly client for any of the so called social media sites that are easy to use?
I don't want them to rule my life, but of late so much information I'm expected to know about is on Twitter or Facebook its beginning to look like I'll have to bite the bullet again. Maybe I can employ a young person to do it for me!
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using facebook

hi,

How do you guys use facebook with nvda? In particular, searching group posts and viewing the results, but most actions seem laggy. Also, nvda randomly jumps around on the page.

Hi

Where do you mean on the out side of the website or the inside where the movies are?

I was in there a couple of days ago watching the old doctor who.

Gene nz

On 9/23/2017 5:57 AM, Matt Turner wrote:

Is it just me, or have all the headings disappeared.

Using the latest version of chrome, and NVDA.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.