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Re: mail app windows 10 usable with tric

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So  does control A  select it all, as that might allow it to be read with read all if it did.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: P. Otter
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 1:02 PM
Subject: [nvda] mail app windows 10 usable with tric

hello all,
last week i've asked if there was a way to read messages in the mail app of windows 10.
i can tell you yes, there is one.
1 open the mail app windows 10.
2 go to the inbox.
3 look for the message you want to read.
press enter on it, now the read screen will opened.
but when you work with the arrows up or down, you don't hear anything.
but when you press and hold the shift, you can read the message completely!
what you read is selected, but that is not very.
you can read the message without any problem and that is what we want.
after reading you can go back by pressing escape.
to go to the inbox again.
 
hope this is a nice solution.
cheers
paul otter
 

Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Gwensinfo
 

I have not been using NVDA that long, but I am wondering if there is a way to set it up where it will say only 2 = as opposed to a whole line of them that might be able to help if you could just say two or even three that wouldn't be bad equal equal equal that would show you that you've come to your delineator so just a thought. Thanks

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On Mar 5, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

I have never been able to work out how to use Twitter or Facebook and have not bothered with the others either. I sat next to a lady in a cafe the other day and she had her phone on her lap as she was eating and kept on gigling and tapping stuff in while eating. Talk about in a bubble.
I somehow think its not for me.

However I think this thread is a little dodgy, but good as a test I guess.
Just try and get those -=-=-=-= removed before we go mental. I guess I could move = to a different punnctuation level...
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache


Hi,
Jamie Teh said something on Twitter that basically says that statement. I
may eventually need to talk about social media and NVDA later during that
event... Right now though, I'm in the midst of a semester at a community
college, seeing the news coming from NVDACon speaker recruitment efforts,
finalizing StationPlaylist add-on 7.0 beta, thinking about writing a letter
to mainstream programmers about value of NVDA and others (along with making
sure my latest code for add-ons manager gets integrated into NVDA Core).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Yes, I do code (NVDA screen reader), and latest endeavor can be found
at http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3090.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shook [mailto:chris0309@...]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Joseph,
It may be too late, but would there be any way to make a statement to the
effect that NVDA does not agree with comments said on Social Media?
Just a suggestion.
Chris


Re: I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

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I have never been able to work out how to use Twitter or Facebook and have not bothered with the others either. I sat next to a lady in a cafe the other day and she had her phone on her lap as she was eating and kept on gigling and tapping stuff in while eating. Talk about in a bubble.
I somehow think its not for me.

However I think this thread is a little dodgy, but good as a test I guess.
Just try and get those -=-=-=-= removed before we go mental. I guess I could move = to a different punnctuation level...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache


Hi,
Jamie Teh said something on Twitter that basically says that statement. I
may eventually need to talk about social media and NVDA later during that
event... Right now though, I'm in the midst of a semester at a community
college, seeing the news coming from NVDACon speaker recruitment efforts,
finalizing StationPlaylist add-on 7.0 beta, thinking about writing a letter
to mainstream programmers about value of NVDA and others (along with making
sure my latest code for add-ons manager gets integrated into NVDA Core).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Yes, I do code (NVDA screen reader), and latest endeavor can be found
at http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3090.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shook [mailto:chris0309@...]
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2016 11:02 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am afraid he will have a tummy ache

Joseph,
It may be too late, but would there be any way to make a statement to the
effect that NVDA does not agree with comments said on Social Media?
Just a suggestion.
Chris




Re: The deliniator thingy

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Obviously, somebody needs to point this out to the  people who run it, Its just a text string. Just as well its not a line of greater than and less thans then I suppose as I've found on some lists.
 
If it had been a row of dashes it would have been silent. But a row of =, would just have said 40 equals which might suit those who like to know when its the end without it getting annoying.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2016 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

Yes, at first I thought it was somebody having a rather feeble joke, but sorry to say it's built into groups.io, so I don't know whether group owners can do anything about it.

Vince in England.




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Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 12:14 PM
From: "Brian's Mail list account"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

In other words where the message in this list ends, and the added content
starts is.



Nvda and the combibraille/braillewindow display

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi,

I am using a Combibraille brailledisplay with Nvda. This display is also called a Braillewindow.
It is an verry old display and can only be connected by using
a serial connection, so I use a usb to serial converter and Brltty to get this display working.
The problem in Nvda is, dat the keys on the display are not working. When I use Brltty in debug mode, I can see, that the keys are working for Brltty, but Nvda will not recognize these.
is there a trick so I can also use the keys on this display? That would be verry nice.


Kind regards, Marten

Re: accessible version of Seamonkey?

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
If you are having trouble uninstalling as well there is a free program you can try called revo uninstaller. It works well and it is how I uninstall most of my programs. It can be found at:
http://www.revouninstaller.com/revo_uninstaller_free_download.html

Make sure you get the freware version. The professional version does not work very well with screen readers yet the free version works quite well. This program will help get rid of the program giving you an issue. I too just installed SeaMonkey from scratch with out an issue. I have not used it in a while and may give it another try.

Regards,
Greg Wocher

On 3/4/2016 8:25 PM, Lisa P Geibel wrote:
Hi Vincent,
Sorry, we also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't read anything with that either. Very perplexed by all of this and disappointed in myself. Thanks for all your help. Can't even remove the program and put it back on as it reads the same as the install did. Can't restore the computer to an earlier time before the problems started. Looks like I'm just stuck.

Lisa
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God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 9:30 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
Lisa,

Sorry, I wasn't quite accurate in my last mail,, but you found the menu
items anyway. In Seamonkey, go to View Menu, then Show / Hide, then
press the right arrow key to start the submenu with the various toolbars
that you can show or hide. There is a further submenu for Website
Navigation, which you can again reach by pressing the right arrow key.

From the main menu bar, for example, if you are at Bookmarks, the
submenu should appear if you press the down arrow. I have no idea why
items are not being spoken by NVDA.

It may be that some settings have got corrupted , in which case it would
be an idea to remove Seamonkey and start again. If NVDA is otherwise
working OK, this may be the best option. I remove programs with Revo
Uninstaller, which looks for relevant files all over your PC, and so may
remove any corrupt material.

To get the current version of seamonkey, version 2.39, go to:
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.39&os=win&lang=en-US

That link above should start the installer downloading. In Seamonkey or
Firefox, you will get a dialog box asking you to save the file before
you can run it.

Vince in England.

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Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 01:38 PM
From: "Lisa P Geibel"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?

Hi Vincent,
Thank you for getting back. Yes, menu is checked, but there are about 4
or 5 other things below it that are also checked and it doesn't read
what they are. I know how to get to the view choice when things act
normally, but when I left and right arrow when I'm in the file menu,
all
I hear is submenu submenu and that's it. Does that help you any? Can
you
give me any tips on things to have checked or unchecked so it will read
better? Please and thanks?.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 8:09 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> Hi, Lisa,
>
> I've got Seamonkey on my PC, and I don't know what's happened
with
> yours, but it looks much the same as it ever did. I have version
2.39,
> which I believe is the latest.
>
> I wonder if you have menus turned off. Hold down the Alt key
until you
> can find out what's there. If you can get to the View menu,
choose
> Toolbars and make sure that menus are on.
>
> A shortcut to save a favorite or bookmark is Control key plus D.
>
> If you have Firefox and Thunderbird, you have most of
Seamonkey in
> another form, really.
>
> Hope that's some help.
>
> Vince in England.
>
>
>
>
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 11:41 AM
> From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Cc:
> Subject: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
>
> Hi,
> My husband and I are both totally blind and use a Windows 10
computer
> with NVDA. I use Thunderbird for my mail client and he used to
use
> Seamonkey until something happened and we had to reinstall it.
I got
> 2.93 and it is very different than the older one he had as no
shortcut
> keys such as alt b to add to favorites or ctrl l to open a URL
work.
> It's only reading things like button and such. The install was a
> nightmare and he had to do it as the only choices were button
and alt
> button. Please help with finding an accessible version since I
was the
> one that messed it up on him? Thanks.
> --
> Lisa
> E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> Philmore box shared with hubby:
> 773-572-7897
> God bless everyone!!!
>
>
>
>
>




mail app windows 10 usable with tric

P. Otter
 

hello all,
last week i've asked if there was a way to read messages in the mail app of windows 10.
i can tell you yes, there is one.
1 open the mail app windows 10.
2 go to the inbox.
3 look for the message you want to read.
press enter on it, now the read screen will opened.
but when you work with the arrows up or down, you don't hear anything.
but when you press and hold the shift, you can read the message completely!
what you read is selected, but that is not very.
you can read the message without any problem and that is what we want.
after reading you can go back by pressing escape.
to go to the inbox again.
 
hope this is a nice solution.
cheers
paul otter
 

Re: The deliniator thingy

Gwensinfo
 

I am just happy that it shows a line of delineation marks. Whatever they want to use is fine. At least it shows me where the end of my messages and the informational portion begins. That's my thought.

Gwen and the great Orb
sent from my iPhone 5s
"a dog has many friends because he wags his tail and not his tongue "
Anonymous"

On Mar 5, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

In other words where the message in this list ends, and the added content starts is.

Re: Seamonkey?

Gene
 

If you ask questions about Thunderbird regarding the problems you have with it, you will probably get answers.  Thunderbird is accessible with screen-readers.  There are one or two features that aren't accessible, such as changing the order of headers, but almost all of Thunderbird is accessible. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2016 11:54 PM
Subject: [nvda] Seamonkey?

This is Marv here.  I never heard of seamonkey, but tried thunderbird and found it quite difficult to use.  So, I went to windows live mail.  I am running windows 10 jaws/nvda.  I had poor luck with thunderbird and both screen readers.  Is seamonkey more accessible than thunderbird?
 

Re: Firefox lags on FB

Vincent Thacker <vince@...>
 

I use Notepad to type messages for FB, then paste them in. I really can't be faffed to grapple with those FB text boxes.

Vince in England.





========================================
Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 11:31 AM
From: "Darren Duff"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox lags on FB

I only use m.facebook.com. much easier.

Darren Duff.

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On 3/5/2016 5:03 AM, Aravind R wrote:
> and we are unable to locate log out button or sign out unless i use
> m.facebook.com
>
> On 3/5/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along
>> with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time
>> and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really
>> annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on
>> my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.
>>
>





Re: The deliniator thingy

Vincent Thacker <vince@...>
 

Yes, at first I thought it was somebody having a rather feeble joke, but sorry to say it's built into groups.io, so I don't know whether group owners can do anything about it.

Vince in England.




========================================
Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 12:14 PM
From: "Brian's Mail list account"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: [nvda] The deliniator thingy

In other words where the message in this list ends, and the added content
starts is.



Re: accessible version of Seamonkey?

Vincent Thacker <vince@...>
 

Lisa,

Do you have any luck if you try Internet Explorer, for example? Just trying to isolate your problem.

Vince in England.





========================================
Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 01:25 AM
From: "Lisa P Geibel"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?

Hi Vincent,
Sorry, we also have the latest version of JAWS, but it won't read
anything with that either. Very perplexed by all of this and
disappointed in myself. Thanks for all your help. Can't even remove the
program and put it back on as it reads the same as the install did.
Can't restore the computer to an earlier time before the problems
started. Looks like I'm just stuck.

Lisa
E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
Philmore box shared with hubby:
773-572-7897
God bless everyone!!!

On 3/4/16 9:30 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> Lisa,
>
> Sorry, I wasn't quite accurate in my last mail,, but you found the menu
> items anyway. In Seamonkey, go to View Menu, then Show / Hide, then
> press the right arrow key to start the submenu with the various toolbars
> that you can show or hide. There is a further submenu for Website
> Navigation, which you can again reach by pressing the right arrow key.
>
> From the main menu bar, for example, if you are at Bookmarks, the
> submenu should appear if you press the down arrow. I have no idea why
> items are not being spoken by NVDA.
>
> It may be that some settings have got corrupted , in which case it would
> be an idea to remove Seamonkey and start again. If NVDA is otherwise
> working OK, this may be the best option. I remove programs with Revo
> Uninstaller, which looks for relevant files all over your PC, and so may
> remove any corrupt material.
>
> To get the current version of seamonkey, version 2.39, go to:
> https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.39&os=win&lang=en-US
>
> That link above should start the installer downloading. In Seamonkey or
> Firefox, you will get a dialog box asking you to save the file before
> you can run it.
>
> Vince in England.
>
> ========================================
> Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 01:38 PM
> From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
>
> Hi Vincent,
> Thank you for getting back. Yes, menu is checked, but there are about 4
> or 5 other things below it that are also checked and it doesn't read
> what they are. I know how to get to the view choice when things act
> normally, but when I left and right arrow when I'm in the file menu,
> all
> I hear is submenu submenu and that's it. Does that help you any? Can
> you
> give me any tips on things to have checked or unchecked so it will read
> better? Please and thanks?.
>
> Lisa
> E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> Philmore box shared with hubby:
> 773-572-7897
> God bless everyone!!!
>
> On 3/4/16 8:09 AM, Vincent Thacker wrote:
> > Hi, Lisa,
> >
> > I've got Seamonkey on my PC, and I don't know what's happened with
> > yours, but it looks much the same as it ever did. I have version
> 2.39,
> > which I believe is the latest.
> >
> > I wonder if you have menus turned off. Hold down the Alt key
> until you
> > can find out what's there. If you can get to the View menu, choose
> > Toolbars and make sure that menus are on.
> >
> > A shortcut to save a favorite or bookmark is Control key plus D.
> >
> > If you have Firefox and Thunderbird, you have most of Seamonkey in
> > another form, really.
> >
> > Hope that's some help.
> >
> > Vince in England.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ========================================
> > Message Received: Mar 04 2016, 11:41 AM
> > From: "Lisa P Geibel"
> > To: nvda@groups.io
> > Cc:
> > Subject: [nvda] accessible version of Seamonkey?
> >
> > Hi,
> > My husband and I are both totally blind and use a Windows 10 computer
> > with NVDA. I use Thunderbird for my mail client and he used to use
> > Seamonkey until something happened and we had to reinstall it. I got
> > 2.93 and it is very different than the older one he had as no
> shortcut
> > keys such as alt b to add to favorites or ctrl l to open a URL work.
> > It's only reading things like button and such. The install was a
> > nightmare and he had to do it as the only choices were button and alt
> > button. Please help with finding an accessible version since I
> was the
> > one that messed it up on him? Thanks.
> > --
> > Lisa
> > E-Mail: lisapgeibel429@...
> > Facebook: http://facebook.com/ldporter1
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/LisaLisa429
> > Philmore box shared with hubby:
> > 773-572-7897
> > God bless everyone!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




The deliniator thingy

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

In other words where the message in this list ends, and the added content starts is.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Which says equals a lot as its equals then a dash etc.
In my view this needs to be changed to a line of one or the other, as its getting already very irritating.
Can this be done?
do others get this?
Brian

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Re: Firefox lags on FB

 

I think someone should report this issue to Facebook, so they can fix it. Facebook has become part of our lives, and I think Facebook really needs to take into account accessibility for visually-impaired users.

Re: Firefox lags on FB

Dejan Ristic
 

Yes, I have experienced it too, from time to time, especially when I'm in the message typing field. It's come to us recently. As I have said, it does not happen any time when I'm in the same field. It sometimes goes smoothly, and it sometimes does slow down.

NVDA version I've been using: 2016.1

Windows version I've been using: Windows version: Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (64-bit)


On 3/5/2016 10:50 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi all,

Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.




Re: test message

Dejan Ristic
 

I've got your message.

On 3/4/2016 11:53 PM, David Mehler wrote:
Hello,

This is a test message to see if this gets to the list.

Thanks.
Dave.


.

Re: Firefox lags on FB

Darren Duff <duff379@...>
 

I only use m.facebook.com. much easier.

Darren Duff.

Host of the Duff Domain on http://www.95-the-mix.com

amateur radio station KK4AHX.

Follow me on twitter @darren_duff

friend me on face book http://www.facebook.com/DarrenLDuff.

primary E-mail duff379@...

Mobile E-mail mobileduff5@...

skype duffman31279

On 3/5/2016 5:03 AM, Aravind R wrote:
and we are unable to locate log out button or sign out unless i use
m.facebook.com

On 3/5/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along
with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time
and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really
annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on
my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.

Re: question regarding seamonkey

Vincent Thacker <vince@...>
 

Marv, Windows 10 might not be a requirement, but from the little experience I've had, Seamonkey works fine under Windows 10. Only one way to be sure; try it. You're quite right in saying Win 10 isn't listed in the documentation, but the browser is supposed to be equivalent to the current Firefox.

Vince in England.





========================================
Message Received: Mar 05 2016, 06:17 AM
From: "marvin kotler"
To: nvda@groups.io
Cc:
Subject: [nvda] question regarding seamonkey

Good evening list; Marv here.  I went to the seamonkey site and windows 10 was not in the operating systems system requirements.  My question is is anyone running seamonkey successfully on windows 10?

 


Re: Firefox lags on FB

 

Also the edit fields where I can type texts are not being read properly, either by Jaws or NVDA. It seems that Facebook has become less accessible nowadays, even though it have over 1 billion users.

Re: Firefox lags on FB

Aravind R
 

and we are unable to locate log out button or sign out unless i use
m.facebook.com

On 3/5/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <@supanut2000> wrote:
Hi all,

Does anyone here experienced lags when using Facebook with Firefox along
with a screen reader (Jaws or NVDA)? I've been using Firefox for a long time
and I've experienced lags with Facebook from time-to-time and it's really
annoying, especially on my Surface 3. On my desktop I'm using Jaws, and on
my Surface 3 I'm using NVDA, latest version.
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